Unfortunately my GW2 days are over until august 25th.. :(

Originally posted by Mephster

Another BWE and yet to come out satisfied. This a just zerg fest from start to finish . The events are really no different than clicking on a npc asking you to go kill 10 rats. ...but this mmo is really no different than what we have been playing for the past 10 years or so.

Not sure what game you have been playing

Wall of text incoming.

TLDR version. Try the game like it's something new, it's just too different.

This game as a natural learning curve.

People that are playing it exactly the same way that they did all the other 20 something MMOs they played before this will just not get into the groove.

I felt like this at the start.

The game forces you to explore, to try new things, to actually read and find interesting NPCs, if you don't care about your surroundings you'll simply not play the game.

My 1st hour in GW2 was very frustrating, i kept trying to grind "quests",  i kept trying got get a "rotation", i kept trying to "look for the fast way", and then i simply quit, i logged off and came back one hour latter thinking to myself that this is a new game and we will treat it like it is my first MMO.

And guess what?

Much better, i started exploring in PVE, starting events on my own and following the NPCs, it felt awesome that for once the NPCs treated my charachter like someone that matters, i impacted the world and changed the areas i played on.

Then i started a meta event, and the fact that i had to learn my own way to do it made it very sattisfying...jumping puzzles, hidden caves, veteran and champion mobs that were hidden and that i had to find a way to beat by learning to weapon swap, dodge, know when to use what abilities and how to use them to the best of their power....

I was hooked.

The combat seemed simplistic, but in the end it's much harder then most MMOs, you don't have everything at your disposal at all times, you need to plan a build and know what and when you have to use your abilities, the same class with 2 different weapons is basically 2 different classes.

So i jumped into The Mists and did a simple warrior build and went to PVP, and guess what, i did it like i would have done any other MMO, and i was frustrated.

Why couldn't i have a fear effect and berserker while keeping my other utilities? Why should i change weapons, i mean i love maces, i wanted to spam mace attacks! Another hour break.

Came back, redid my setup, and it hit me again, almost no 2 warriors will be the same, people can theorycraft but a riffle / mace warrior is not the same as a longbow / Sword-Sword warrior, so i thought about this and engineered a riffle / 2handsword spec.

Jumped into pvp and started noticing what my adversaries were doing, i was such a fool, why would i spam maces if i can save skills like hamstring to kite an enemy that as only melee weapons? Why should i try to a berserker against guardians with shields, why was i playing this game like it's a traditional trinity game?

Styles make fights and teamwork is the most important thing in GW2 pvp, and i was hooked to pvp.

WvWvW was the same, from lost to found, learning what to do, why to do it and specially what i like doing makes a huge difference.

GW2 is a different experience, it's a mix of great ideas, feels like Skyrim PVE, LoL on rage steroids in battleground pvp and has as unique view in Realm vs Realm pvp.

And i think this is the problem for alot of people, because the game feels very very familiar, but at the same time it's so different it makes you unconfortable.

Well I got a chance to play it a little more today and I enjoyed myself.  It's definitely worthy of a purchase. I could see putting some time into this game.  The graphics are not over the top amazing but nice, combat has some interesting twists, and there appears to be a decently sized world to explore.  I like the public quests too, that's something I really enjoyed in Warhammer Online.  I'm glad it made an appearance here.

There's still a lot of basic stuff I haven't learned about the game.  But that makes me want to explore it further...

Originally posted by Mephster

Another BWE and yet to come out satisfied. This a just zerg fest from start to finish . The events are really no different than clicking on a npc asking you to go kill 10 rats. The art style is colorful but it seems it was made to attract the teenagers of the world. The 5v5 pvp was such a disappointment, they are nothing more than glorified alliance battles which back in the day people shunned at as being real pvp.  The Word pvp is nothing more than a huge zerg fest which was unappealing to me. 

Now I am not saying there is this all great mmo out there because there isn't and I am not really trying to compare mmos here but this mmo is really no different than what we have been playing for the past 10 years or so. I played the original for 5+ years and loved every minute of it. It seems ArenaNet has changed that winning formula because I have this off feeing they changed the combat system to have it appeal to console players. Console players are used to that action dodge and roll combat while pc gamers are more used to something more tactical. After all these years of GW2 being in developement this is what we got ? Very disappointed on how everything about GW2 has turned out. Good luck to those who continue!

Whaaat? No different than kill 10 rats? Wow... we must live in different realities. Really, the events and stuff you can do offers SO much different things, and so much other than kill stuff too. Sure, a lot involves killing, but thats the nature of a MMORPG. Still, you get so many different settings and things to do. I really don't understand how you can say that.

And why is colourful negative? Who would prefer all in grey and brown??

Sorry, I am really no PVP expert, but as far as I can tell both the 5 vs 5 and the WvW PVP is so much LESS a zergfest than almost any PVP I had seen for years. You can do so many things in PVP with thinking and strategic planning. There are castles, siege weapons, you can protect supply lines, anything!

So I really have the feeling we are not talking about the same game... I mean if you don't like it, that's ok. But the arguments you write, they are just not coherent with what I see in the game.

why am i not surprised the OP posted this? 

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Comae13

Originally posted by Interesting

Even though nothing he said can be argued with.

Guild Wars 2 is still better than everything else on the market today.

Wich is good and bad.

 

Seriously I think the most part of the gamers will play to gw2 only because there is nothing else.

you just can't accept people actually do find this game amazing can you?

Actually, i can accept that the hype train is at full speed, just like SWTOR.

Do you guys remember when SWTOR hype train was traveling at an unstoppable speed? Some people pointed out the flaws but nobody cared. Final Result... CRASH!!!!

The same goes here... The hype train is way too fast, so there is no point in saying that the open world PvP is a Zerg Fest because people wont listen. Wait after a few months after release and everything is going to go downhill. but since there is no subscriptions... Anet can brag about Box sales and tell the world how great is to sell boxes only...

Originally posted by Grimrist000

why am i not surprised the OP posted this? 

It may be because he's been doing to for about 4 months now.

Originally posted by Pelagato

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Comae13

Originally posted by Interesting

Even though nothing he said can be argued with.

Guild Wars 2 is still better than everything else on the market today.

Wich is good and bad.

 

Seriously I think the most part of the gamers will play to gw2 only because there is nothing else.

you just can't accept people actually do find this game amazing can you?

Actually, i can accept that the hype train is at full speed, just like SWTOR.

Do you guys remember when SWTOR hype train was traveling at an unstoppable speed? Some people pointed out the flaws but nobody cared. Final Result... CRASH!!!!

The same goes here... The hype train is way too fast, so there is no point in saying that the open world PvP is a Zerg Fest because people wont listen. Wait after a few months after release and everything is going to go downhill. but since there is no subscriptions... Anet can brag about Box sales and tell the world how great is to sell boxes only...

not even close to the same thing, swtor was hyped due to dev's and IP. GW2 is hyped from people actually playing the game and experiencing it.... HUGE difference since it's really not hype at all at this point. I was insanely hyped for swtor then after the stress test weekend I walked off very let down and struggled to make it 3 weeks past launch into the game. GW2 over the course of the beta weekends have already clocked in more hours then i played swtor total AND still cannot get enough.. 

Originally posted by Pelagato

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Comae13

Originally posted by Interesting

Even though nothing he said can be argued with.

Guild Wars 2 is still better than everything else on the market today.

Wich is good and bad.

 

Seriously I think the most part of the gamers will play to gw2 only because there is nothing else.

you just can't accept people actually do find this game amazing can you?

Actually, i can accept that the hype train is at full speed, just like SWTOR.

Do you guys remember when SWTOR hype train was traveling at an unstoppable speed? Some people pointed out the flaws but nobody cared. Final Result... CRASH!!!!

The same goes here... The hype train is way too fast, so there is no point in saying that the open world PvP is a Zerg Fest because people wont listen. Wait after a few months after release and everything is going to go downhill. but since there is no subscriptions... Anet can brag about Box sales and tell the world how great is to sell boxes only...

Are you really comparing SWTOR with GW2? its not like we just saw movies of it at this point you know...

Both got too much hype, with that i agree, but it doenst mean that both are bad.. For what i saw so far, GW2 is everything the developers said it was. And i think that for 90% of players at least, it also is.

Originally posted by Ikonis
 overly arrogant, smug community.

I said the same thing in another thread. "You don't like GW2 you say? Well, clearly you're playing it wrong."

I don't have a problem with people liking different things than I do but I guess not everyone feels the same.

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Originally posted by Elikal

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Originally posted by Mephster Another BWE and yet to come out satisfied. This a just zerg fest from start to finish . The events are really no different than clicking on a npc asking you to go kill 10 rats. The art style is colorful but it seems it was made to attract the teenagers of the world. The 5v5 pvp was such a disappointment, they are nothing more than glorified alliance battles which back in the day people shunned at as being real pvp.  The Word pvp is nothing more than a huge zerg fest which was unappealing to me.  Now I am not saying there is this all great mmo out there because there isn't and I am not really trying to compare mmos here but this mmo is really no different than what we have been playing for the past 10 years or so. I played the original for 5+ years and loved every minute of it. It seems ArenaNet has changed that winning formula because I have this off feeing they changed the combat system to have it appeal to console players. Console players are used to that action dodge and roll combat while pc gamers are more used to something more tactical. After all these years of GW2 being in developement this is what we got ? Very disappointed on how everything about GW2 has turned out. Good luck to those who continue!

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Whaaat? No different than kill 10 rats? Wow... we must live in different realities. Really, the events and stuff you can do offers SO much different things, and so much other than kill stuff too. Sure, a lot involves killing, but thats the nature of a MMORPG. Still, you get so many different settings and things to do. I really don't understand how you can say that.

And why is colourful negative? Who would prefer all in grey and brown??

Sorry, I am really no PVP expert, but as far as I can tell both the 5 vs 5 and the WvW PVP is so much LESS a zergfest than almost any PVP I had seen for years. You can do so many things in PVP with thinking and strategic planning. There are castles, siege weapons, you can protect supply lines, anything!

 

So I really have the feeling we are not talking about the same game... I mean if you don't like it, that's ok. But the arguments you write, they are just not coherent with what I see in the game.

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Originally posted by Wookieebob

Originally posted by Ikonis
 overly arrogant, smug community.

I said the same thing in another thread. "You don't like GW2 you say? Well, clearly you're playing it wrong."

I don't have a problem with people liking different things than I do but I guess not everyone feels the same.

a lot of people say "you are playing it wrong" because many are and come to the forums to bitch about it. Many are trying to do the same thing as they do in most all other themeparks which is run from quest hub to quest hub and try to hit max level. GW2 was not designed to be played like this and if you are doing that you are playing it wrong.

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Originally posted by Mephster
Another BWE and yet to come out satisfied. This a just zerg fest from start to finish . The events are really no different than clicking on a npc asking you to go kill 10 rats. The art style is colorful but it seems it was made to attract the teenagers of the world. The 5v5 pvp was such a disappointment, they are nothing more than glorified alliance battles which back in the day people shunned at as being real pvp.  The Word pvp is nothing more than a huge zerg fest which was unappealing to me. 

Now I am not saying there is this all great mmo out there because there isn't and I am not really trying to compare mmos here but this mmo is really no different than what we have been playing for the past 10 years or so. I played the original for 5+ years and loved every minute of it. It seems ArenaNet has changed that winning formula because I have this off feeing they changed the combat system to have it appeal to console players. Console players are used to that action dodge and roll combat while pc gamers are more used to something more tactical. After all these years of GW2 being in developement this is what we got ? Very disappointed on how everything about GW2 has turned out. Good luck to those who continue!

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Ill say this...

My immediate impressions or reminissions were:

1.ryzom
2.Rift.

Dunno why but art direction really reminds me of ryzom.

It felt very much like i was playing rift with the de's i could find a real difference in mechanics.

What they should of done:
Abolish levels. your getting scaled down anyway so why not just dynamically scale up as well so you can do all the zones at the same difficulty?

Where's the progression then? internal character progression and overarching story.

Lastly, You don't really make a persistent impact on the world, I think if arche age took some of gw2 systems would have a perfect storm for an mmorpg.

its a zerg fest because it sonly three days and they get wiped for release so its going to be worse then at release

Originally posted by Nitth

 

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Originally posted by Mephster
Another BWE and yet to come out satisfied. This a just zerg fest from start to finish . The events are really no different than clicking on a npc asking you to go kill 10 rats. The art style is colorful but it seems it was made to attract the teenagers of the world. The 5v5 pvp was such a disappointment, they are nothing more than glorified alliance battles which back in the day people shunned at as being real pvp.  The Word pvp is nothing more than a huge zerg fest which was unappealing to me. 

 

Now I am not saying there is this all great mmo out there because there isn't and I am not really trying to compare mmos here but this mmo is really no different than what we have been playing for the past 10 years or so. I played the original for 5+ years and loved every minute of it. It seems ArenaNet has changed that winning formula because I have this off feeing they changed the combat system to have it appeal to console players. Console players are used to that action dodge and roll combat while pc gamers are more used to something more tactical. After all these years of GW2 being in developement this is what we got ? Very disappointed on how everything about GW2 has turned out. Good luck to those who continue!

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Ill say this...

 

My immediate impressions or reminissions were:

1.ryzom
2.Rift.

Dunno why but art direction really reminds me of ryzom.

It felt very much like i was playing rift with the de's i could find a real difference in mechanics.

 

 

What they should of done:
Abolish levels. your getting scaled down anyway so why not just dynamically scale up as well so you can do all the zones at the same difficulty?

Where's the progression then? internal character progression and overarching story.

Lastly, You don't really make a persistent impact on the world, I think if arche age took some of gw2 systems would have a perfect storm for an mmorpg.

watch his video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwmtVFoZAKA if you can't see how these are differn't then the zone invasions in Rift then you are just not even trying to see it. The persistant impacts come in the later zones as you can read the dev diary's they did not want to make the starter zones too differn't for new players

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Originally posted by Raxeon
its a zerg fest because it sonly three days and they get wiped for release so its going to be worse then at release

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I actually got to play at off hours where there was hardly anyone in the zone......de's arnt very dynamic when its just you doing them, its basicly a quest.

Originally posted by Aerowyn

 The persistant impacts come in the later zones as you can read the dev diary's they did not want to make the starter zones too differn't for new players

Well, they succeeded in that respect because they made the starting zones as mind-numbingly boring as every other MMO's starting zones.  The only difference is that ArenaNet somehow managed to add in a great deal of frustration to that boredom due to how different the gameplay is.  I, for one, didn't enjoy it at all.  I lasted through two days, and on the third day, logged back into Vanguard. 

Originally posted by Mithrandolir

This is one of the best mmorpgs that i have played since I started playing mmorpgs in 1996. I am really enjoying it.

With that said, I feel the same way about TSW as you seem to feel about GW2, so I can understand.

Thankfully we both got to come to our own conclusions via actual experience with the game, and not second hand info. For me it lands me in a mmorpg that i really love, and for you it saves you 60 bucks! Win/Win :)

 

 

+1

Glass half full type of dude, I love it!

Originally posted by Mithrandolir

This is one of the best mmorpgs that i have played since I started playing mmorpgs in 1996. I am really enjoying it.

With that said, I feel the same way about TSW as you seem to feel about GW2, so I can understand.

Thankfully we both got to come to our own conclusions via actual experience with the game, and not second hand info. For me it lands me in a mmorpg that i really love, and for you it saves you 60 bucks! Win/Win :)

 

 

I have to agree as Mr. jaded and cynical, I don' think I have had this much fun in a MMO in a very long time. I am consistently engaged with every class and race. I avoided Char Eng until today and it has been a blast. Hilarious as well with power rifle shot and the 5 foot kick :)