Trending Games | Guild Wars 2 | Firefall | Rift | EverQuest Next

  Network:  FPSguru RTSguru
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:2,852,212 Users Online:0
Games:733  Posts:6,226,476
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
A-C
2029 Online 2112: Revolution 2Moons 4Story 8BitMMO 9 Dragons A Mystical Land A Tale in the Desert III A3 ACE Online ARGO Online Aberoth Absolute Force Online Absolute Terror Achaea Adellion Aerrevan Aetolia, the Midnight Age Age of Armor Age of Conan Age of Empires Online Age of Mourning Age of Wulin Age of Wushu Aida Arenas Aika Aion Albion Online Alganon All Points Bulletin (APB) Allods Online Altis Gates Amazing World Anarchy Online Ancients of Fasaria Andromeda 5 Angels Online Anime Trumps Anmynor Anno Online Applo Arcane Hearts Arcane Legends ArchLord ArcheAge Archeblade Archlord X Asda 2 Asda Story Ashen Empires Asheron's Call Asheron's Call 2 Astera Online Astonia III Astro Empires Astro Lords: Oort CLoud Asura Force Atlantica Online Atriarch Aura Kingdom Aurora Blade Auto Assault Avatar Star Battle Dawn Battle Dawn Galaxies Battle for Graxia Battle of 3 Kingdoms Battle of the Immortals Battlecruiser Online Battlestar Galactica Online Battlestar Reloaded Beyond Protocol Black Aftermath Black Desert Black Gold Black Prophecy Black Prophecy Tactics: Nexus Conflict Blacklight Retribution Blade & Soul Blade Hunter Blade Wars Blazing Throne Bless Blitz 1941 Blood and Jade Bloodlines Champions Bounty Bay Online Brain Storm Brawl Busters. Brick-Force Bright Shadow Bullet Run Business Tycoon Online CTRacer Cabal Online Caesary Call of Camelot Call of Gods Call of Thrones Camelot Unchained Canaan Online Cardmon Hero Cartoon Universe CasinoRPG Castle Empire Castlot Celtic Heroes Champions Online Champions of Regnum Chaos Online Chrono Tales Citadel of Sorcery CitiesXL Citizen Zero City of Decay City of Heroes City of Steam City of Transformers City of Villains Civilization Online Clan Lord Clash of Clans Cloud Nine Club Penguin Colony of War Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances Company of Heroes Online Conquer Online Conquer Online 3 Continent of the Ninth (C9) Core Blaze Core Exiles Corum Online Craft of Gods Crimecraft Crimelife 2 Cronous Crota II Crusaders of Solaris Cultures Online Cyber Monster 2 Céiron Wars
D-F
D&D Online DC Universe DK Online DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 DV8: Exile Dalethaan Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Relic: Prelude Dark Solstice Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkest Dungeon Darkfall Darkfall: Unholy Wars Darkwind: War on Wheels Das Tal Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide DayZ Dead Earth Dead Frontier Deco Online Deepworld Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Demons at the Horizon Desert Operations Destiny Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Pals Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Call II Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dragons and Titans Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Rampage Dungeon Runners Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online Dynasty of the Magi EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthrise Eclipse War Ecol Tactics Online Eden Eternal Edge of Space Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elder Scrolls Online Eldevin Elf Online Elite: Dangerous Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire Empire & State Empire Craft Empire Universe 3 EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Blue Moon Online Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Eternal Saga Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverEmber Online EverQuest Next EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Evony Exarch Exorace F.E.A.R. Online Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forge Forsaken World Fortnite Fortuna Forum for Discussion of Everlight Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
G-L
GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones: Seven Kingdoms Gameglobe Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gauntlet Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer Gloria Victis Glory of Gods GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Granado Espada Online Grand Chase Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall H1Z1 Habbo Hotel Hailan Rising HaloSphere2 Haven & Hearth Hawken Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero Online Hero Zero Hero's Journey Hero: 108 Online HeroSmash Heroes & Generals Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Heroes of the Storm Hex Holic Online Hostile Space Hunter Blade Huxley Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Imperator Imperian Inferno Legend Infestation: Survivor Stories Infinite Crisis Infinity Infinity Iris Online Iron Grip: Marauders Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kartuga Kicks Online King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom Under Fire II Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kings and Legends Kings of the Realm KingsRoad Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Age Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Landmark Lands of Hope: Phoenix Edition LastChaos League of Angels League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Edda: Vengeance Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 2 Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Lego Minifigures Online Life is Feudal Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia World
M-Q
MU Online Mabinogi Maestia: Rise of Keledus MagiKnights Magic Barrage Magic World Online Manga Fighter MapleStory Martial Heroes Marvel Heroes Marvel Super Hero Squad Online Marvel: Avengers Alliance MechWarrior Online Megaten Meridian 59 : Evolution Merlin MetalMercs Metaplace Metin 2 MicroVolts Midkemia Online Might & Magic Heroes: Kingdoms MilMo Minecraft Mini Fighter Minions of Mirth Ministry of War Monato Esprit Monkey King Online Monkey Quest Monster & Me Monster Madness Online MonsterMMORPG Moonlight Online: Tales of Eternal Blood Mordavia Mortal Online Mourning My Lands Myst Online: URU Live Myth Angels Online Myth War Myth War 2 Mytheon Mythic Saga Mythos N.E.O Online NIDA Online Nadirim Naviage: The Power of Capital Navy Field Need for Speed World Nemexia Neo's Land NeoSteam Neocron Nether Neverwinter Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds NinjaTrick NosTale Novus Aeterno Oberin Odin Quest Odyssey RPG Ogre Island Omerta 3 Online Boxing Manager Onverse Order & Chaos Online Order of Magic Original Blood Origins Return Origins of Malu Orion's Belt Otherland Forums OverSoul Overkings Oz Online Oz World Pandora Saga Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Panzar Parabellum Parallel Kingdom Parfait Station Path of Exile Pathfinder Online Perfect World Perpetuum Online Phantasy Star Online 2 Phantasy Star Universe Phoenix Dynasty Online Phylon Pi Story Picaroon Pirate Galaxy Pirate Storm Pirate101 PirateKing Online Pirates of the Burning Sea Pirates of the Caribbean Online Pixie Hollow Planeshift Planet Arkadia Planet Calypso PlanetSide 2 Planetside Planets³ Playboy Manager Pocket Legends Pockie Ninja Pockie Pirates Pockie Saints PoxNora Prime World Prime: Battle for Dominus Priston Tale Priston Tale II Prius Online Project Blackout Project Powder Project Titan Forums Project Wiki Puzzle Pirates Quickhit Football
R-S
R2 Online RAN Online RF Online ROSE Online Rage of 3 Kingdoms Ragnarok Online Ragnarok Online II RaiderZ Rakion Rappelz RappelzSEA Ravenmarch Realm Fighter Realm of the Mad God Realm of the Titans Realms Online Reclamation Red Stone Red War: Edem's Curse Regnum Online Remnant Knights Renaissance Repulse Requiem: Memento Mori Rift RiotZone Rise Rise of Dragonian Era Rise of Empire Rise of the Tycoon Rising of King Risk Your Life Rivality Rockfree Rohan: Blood Feud Role Play Worlds Roll n Rock Roma Victor Romadoria Rosh Online Roto X Rubies of Eventide Ruin Online Rumble Fighter Runes of Magic Runescape Rust Rusty Hearts Ryzom S4 League SAGA SD Gundam Capsule Fighter Online SMITE SUN Sagramore Salem SaySayGirls Scarlet Blade Scions of Fate Seal Online: Evolution Second Life Secret of the Solstice Seed Serenia Fantasy Seven Seas Saga Seven Souls Online Sevencore Shadow of Legend Shadowbane Shadowrun Online Shaiya Shards Online Shattered Galaxy Sho Online Shot Online Shroud of the Avatar SideQuest Siege on Stars Sigonyth: Desert Eternity Silkroad Online Skyblade Skyforge SmashMuck Champions Smoo Online Soldier Front Soul Master Soul Order Online Soul of Guardian Space Heroes Universe Sparta: War of Empires Spellcasters Sphere Spiral Knights Spirit Tales Splash Fighters Squad Wars Star Citizen Star Sonata 2 Star Stable Star Supremacy Star Trek Online Star Trek: Infinite Space Star Wars Galaxies Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Star Wars: The Old Republic StarQuest Online Stargate Worlds Starlight Story Starpires State of Decay SteelWar Online Stone Age 2 Stormfall: Age of War Storybricks Stronghold Kingdoms Sudden Attack Supremacy 1914 Supreme Destiny Sword Girls Sword of Destiny: Rise of Aions SwordX Swords of Heavens Swordsman
T-Z
TERA TS Online Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Tales of Solaris Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris TerraWorld Online Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Aurora World The Black Watchmen The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Crew The Division The Hammers End The Legend of Ares The Lost Titans The Matrix Online The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems The West Theralon There Therian Saga Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Tiger Knight Titan Siege Titans of Time Toontown Online Top Speed Topia Online Torchlight Total Domination Transformers Universe Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Trove Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War Tynon U.B. Funkeys UFO Online URDEAD Online Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Naruto Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Utopia Valkyrie Sky Vampire Lord Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos VoidExpanse Voyage Century Online W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WAR2 Glory WYD Global Wakfu War Thunder War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Mercenaries War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Wargame1942 Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warkeepers Warrior Epic Wartune WebLords Wild West Online WildStar Wind of Luck WindSlayer 2 Wings of Destiny Wish Wizard101 Wizardry Online Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Speed World of Tanks World of Tanks Generals World of Warcraft World of Warplanes World of Warships World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xenocell Xiah Xsyon Xulu YS Online Yitien ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online Zombies Ate My Pizza eRepublik

MMORPG.com Discussion Forums

Guild Wars 2

Guild Wars 2 

General Discussion  » "Time-Saving Convenience Items" and "Time Skippers". The New Pay to Win in Guild Wars 2, What will you do?

5 Pages « 1 2 3 4 5 » Search
96 posts found
  botrytis

Elite Member

Joined: 1/04/05
Posts: 2516

7/22/12 6:48:38 AM#41

This has been discussed AD NAUSEUM already. This is NOT a P2W CS - it is a convenience CS and a LOOK CS. Anything you get in the CS can be found in the game.

People get over yourselves - the CS in the game - DEAL WITH IT.

"In 50 years, when I talk to my grandchildren about these days, I'll make sure to mention what an accomplished MMO player I was. They are going to be so proud ..."
by Naqaj - 7/17/2013 MMORPG.com forum

  nate1980

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 3/03/09
Posts: 1837

7/22/12 6:50:32 AM#42
Originally posted by mbrodie
Originally posted by austriacus
Originally posted by nate1980

Well, I'm an older gamer (31yrs old), so I've seen what games used to be and was able to understand what I had back then and the difference between what we have now. First off, I think the OP is correct, albeit, I think the college level essay you just wrote will be lost on the majority of posters here, since I believe most to be of high school age.

Anyways, back to what I was saying. I remember games, both SPG and MMORPG's when they were games. Meaning, they were challenging problems meant to be solved. Games where player competition were allowed set everyone on equal footing and the only way to gain an edge over other players were through time, effort, and practice. Practice turned you into a skilled player eventually.

So, if time invested = an advantage over other players, then any sort of experience boost or buffs that allow you to bypass the "grind" that non-paying members have to do grants you an advantage, since time spent in game = progression, and progression = power. In other words, early and mid game becomes unfair towards those who don't spend where competition comes into play. If there isn't any competition, then it doesn't matter.

I've said all the same things since we've learned GW2 will sell time-saving items, but I was ignored.

With all of that said, aside from boycotting games, which if we're honest won't happen, what can we really do? Nothing. So we either boycott these games alone and mis out on an otherwise good game, or we accept what the times have brought us and play the game anyways. I'm resigned to our fate, because I love to play games more than I love to take political stances on things I know will not change.

I haven't bought so many SPG's because they started doing the downloadable content thing where you have to pay for it, such as ME3, any future Dragon Ages, and Arkam City. I remember when you used to get a single player RPG and it'd not only be challenging, but last you for a great while, not to mention it'd be feature complete and a full game. Nowadays, they're extremely short, cookie cutter games, that offer a handful of hours of downloadable content if you're willing to fork out the cash.

Seriously? you have been in this community for a while, you know this forum is where every mmorpg vet is and you should also know that the average gamer age is over 30 years old. Just because people dont agree with you or dont really bother reading walls of text(not everyone likes to read), doesnt mean they are high school kids.

In fact most of the posters on the forum are far older than you

but it's easier to try and prove a point when you demean others in the process... i been around games a long time too, point is change isnt always a big scary monster and getting to 80 faster then the next guy isnt going to give you a big advantage anywhere in the game as someone said before based off the design direction. the game isnt a rush to max level, grind dungeons and start raiding so there is no real major advantage in getting to level 80 faster. Also i do have a problem with cash shops where i can buy my max level and gear and pwn all the noobs without any skill, but you actual require a certain degree of skill / profession knowledge to be competetive in any level in GW2 the game's meta will be constantly evolving and the way it's setup is so that each week, month whatever new builds will be made to counter old builds if not on a daily basis and on a minimum you will see FOTM builds that will be quickly countered and new builds released.. the game is about skill and strategy at it's core so no amount of cosmetic items, xp boosts, karma boosts etc... is going to give you some massive edge to be the bestest ever... knowing classes inside and out and working out good synergies is the way to win. on a side note.. i totally think my norn will look badass rockin out some aviators

I agree with you for the long run. But in the short run, meaning release and the first 1-3 months, those who level faster will have an advantage, because leveling faster means you reach post 30 faster, which means you have a better selection of skills, which can make the difference in World PvP. It doesn't matter if that advantage is small or large, it's the principle that a person can buy that advantage...even if it is only an indirect advantage.

I don't know why you can't see things from the OP's point of view, even if you don't agree with it. I certainly can see both points of view and find valid arguments for those for and against cash shops. I'll be playing anyways, but I just thought I'd support the OP'er, since I think he/she has a point.

  Kyleran

Bitter Vet™

Joined: 9/13/06
Posts: 19008

Fools find no pleasure in understanding, but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV

7/22/12 6:56:31 AM#43

Look, I'm really an older gamer, have always been challenged to find the time to carve out of my life to remain competitive with those who have far more free time than I to devote to a game.

I recall gnashing my teeth years ago in L2 when there were people at level 70 one-shotting me in sieges who was only level 52 after 6 months of playing.

For some reason a mentality rose up that players who played more disposable time deserved to be more powerful than anyone else, including me who could never compete.  To that I would be told, "well then maybe MMO's are not for you, stick to some other games" or some other such nonsense.

So now along comes a game that tries to alleviate this "problem" and I salute ANET for that.  Life isn't fair folks, take a lot at professional sports, where the best players are routinely bought to create a competitive team, and circumvent the slower and less certain "farm" systems most have.

So yes, I'll probably partake of the cash shop items to save some time, assuming that I perceive that I have any real need to be level 80 faster than by just standard playing of the title.

The only reason I can see would be if level 80s have a big advanatage in WvWvW, and even then, I'm not much of a PVP'er so that wouldn't necessarily encourage me. (however if all my guild mates are racing to 80 and are going to be in PVP then expect me to be tempted.

 

"In these forums 'honest' seems to be a symonym for 'hates the game just like I do'" - ohioastro
Kyleran - Bitter Vet ™ since 2006
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon

  Meowhead

Tipster

Joined: 1/31/09
Posts: 3728

7/22/12 7:05:23 AM#44
Originally posted by Kyleran

So yes, I'll probably partake of the cash shop items to save some time, assuming that I perceive that I have any real need to be level 80 faster than by just standard playing of the title.

 

I'll be honest, I'm not sure that buying xp pots is going to help you much in this game.

It is only 50% over 1 hour for kills only.

That means it doesn't apply to hearts, gathering, crafting, DEs or exploration, which is honestly the vast majority of your epxerience compared to just killing (Since it's from multiple sources).

The only boost that seems to be significantly useful is the crafting one, since you can gather up all your materials and hunker down for one hour of extreme crafting. :)  (Even then, that means it's mostly suited for an alt, somebody who is running a second character, maybe not even really effective until your third).

I mean, I guess if you don't mind spending about a dollar 50 an hour to save a little time, that's fine, but it's equating to about 4.50 (xp boost + magic find boost + karma boost) per hour to save 30 minutes of time (And not even perfectly, especially so far as xp goes)  Not sure that's really worth it, especially with a mere 100 hours until level cap.

  Interesting

Novice Member

Joined: 1/16/08
Posts: 959

 
OP  7/22/12 7:07:44 AM#45
Originally posted by colddog04
Originally posted by Interesting

Real Money = Gems = Ingame Money = Stuff that gives advantage.

People aren't arguing that the relationship that you lay out here doesn't exist. They are arguing that the advantages given are negligible based on the design direction of GW2.

 

I wish I had a big graph for you, but basically, all you have to do is imagine a world where a person can see another person get to level 80 a day faster than themselves and be ok with it.

 

On a side note, the XP buff is particularly weak since it only counts for creatures killed and not total xp you get.

A single enemy, disrupting the time and effort, competition OVERALL EXPERIENCE of everyone else.

Im sure this wont be the worst offense to competition.

People will go out and spend a thousand bucks, BECAUSE THEY CAN. BECAUSE THERE IS INCENTIVE TO DO SO.

Thats what people think until a single enemy finances his whole team against you. What you do? Hope someone on your team does the same? Invest money yourself? Resignes and accepts this reality? Bows down and let them do as they please to you? Thats the attitude you have in real life? Just accept and resignates the control to someone else, without questioning or intervention?

Dilluting the wrong, does not make it disappear. Its an illusion that "it doesnt affect". In fact, if it was not supposed to cause such effect, it would not be allowed to. It would not have been designed to work this way. The hook is there, because they know that people will go for the advantage and thats what they are ultimatelly selling.

 

By changing the minds of the consumers to these, we can make them resist. We can deliver a message to the industry that we will not stand for these blatant disruptions to the basic core elements of our hobby. We can do this, with each communication, person by person, in a chain effect, we can have our way.

  botrytis

Elite Member

Joined: 1/04/05
Posts: 2516

7/22/12 7:08:21 AM#46
Originally posted by Kyleran

Look, I'm really an older gamer, have always been challenged to find the time to carve out of my life to remain competitive with those who have far more free time than I to devote to a game.

I recall gnashing my teeth years ago in L2 when there were people at level 70 one-shotting me in sieges who was only level 52 after 6 months of playing.

For some reason a mentality rose up that players who played more disposable time deserved to be more powerful than anyone else, including me who could never compete.  To that I would be told, "well then maybe MMO's are not for you, stick to some other games" or some other such nonsense.

So now along comes a game that tries to alleviate this "problem" and I salute ANET for that.  Life isn't fair folks, take a lot at professional sports, where the best players are routinely bought to create a competitive team, and circumvent the slower and less certain "farm" systems most have.

So yes, I'll probably partake of the cash shop items to save some time, assuming that I perceive that I have any real need to be level 80 faster than by just standard playing of the title.

The only reason I can see would be if level 80s have a big advanatage in WvWvW, and even then, I'm not much of a PVP'er so that wouldn't necessarily encourage me. (however if all my guild mates are racing to 80 and are going to be in PVP then expect me to be tempted.

 

When you go into PvP YOU are lvl 80 - they automatically do that for your character - SO IT IS A NON-ISSUE.

"In 50 years, when I talk to my grandchildren about these days, I'll make sure to mention what an accomplished MMO player I was. They are going to be so proud ..."
by Naqaj - 7/17/2013 MMORPG.com forum

  Kenze

Novice Member

Joined: 4/24/07
Posts: 1235

7/22/12 7:09:33 AM#47

get over it OP. seriously. the days of mmos being like a second job and crying over cash shops are over.  join the rest of us in 2012.

Watch your thoughts; they become words.
Watch your words; they become actions.
Watch your actions; they become habits.
Watch your habits; they become character.
Watch your character; it becomes your destiny.
—Lao-Tze

  Interesting

Novice Member

Joined: 1/16/08
Posts: 959

 
OP  7/22/12 7:12:16 AM#48
Originally posted by Kenze

get over it OP. seriously. the days of mmos being like a second job and crying over cash shops are over.  join the rest of us in 2012.

 

I dont get over things. Im a remnant. I dont change. Before I die I will convert those around me to my cause.

  Kyleran

Bitter Vet™

Joined: 9/13/06
Posts: 19008

Fools find no pleasure in understanding, but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV

7/22/12 7:16:59 AM#49

Originally posted by Meowhead

Originally posted by Kyleran

So yes, I'll probably partake of the cash shop items to save some time, assuming that I perceive that I have any real need to be level 80 faster than by just standard playing of the title.

 

I'll be honest, I'm not sure that buying xp pots is going to help you much in this game.

It is only 50% over 1 hour for kills only.

That means it doesn't apply to hearts, gathering, crafting, DEs or exploration, which is honestly the vast majority of your epxerience compared to just killing (Since it's from multiple sources).

The only boost that seems to be significantly useful is the crafting one, since you can gather up all your materials and hunker down for one hour of extreme crafting. :)  (Even then, that means it's mostly suited for an alt, somebody who is running a second character, maybe not even really effective until your third).

I mean, I guess if you don't mind spending about a dollar 50 an hour to save a little time, that's fine, but it's equating to about 4.50 (xp boost + magic find boost + karma boost) per hour to save 30 minutes of time (And not even perfectly, especially so far as xp goes)  Not sure that's really worth it, especially with a mere 100 hours until level cap.

Well yes, I see your point, there's not much about GW2 design that really encourages me to want to rush to the top, 100 hrs till level cap is perfectly reasonable (unlike L2 was back in the day) and like you said, the exp boosts don't really appeal, except perhaps in crafting, and I normally don't spend a lot of time doing that anyways.

That's my real complaint about GW2, the Pay to Win doesn't go far enough  

But then again, I suppose it's not possible for them to sell me any real skill, darn.

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by Kyleran

Look, I'm really an older gamer, have always been challenged to find the time to carve out of my life to remain competitive with those who have far more free time than I to devote to a game.

I recall gnashing my teeth years ago in L2 when there were people at level 70 one-shotting me in sieges who was only level 52 after 6 months of playing.

For some reason a mentality rose up that players who played more disposable time deserved to be more powerful than anyone else, including me who could never compete.  To that I would be told, "well then maybe MMO's are not for you, stick to some other games" or some other such nonsense.

So now along comes a game that tries to alleviate this "problem" and I salute ANET for that.  Life isn't fair folks, take a lot at professional sports, where the best players are routinely bought to create a competitive team, and circumvent the slower and less certain "farm" systems most have.

So yes, I'll probably partake of the cash shop items to save some time, assuming that I perceive that I have any real need to be level 80 faster than by just standard playing of the title.

The only reason I can see would be if level 80s have a big advanatage in WvWvW, and even then, I'm not much of a PVP'er so that wouldn't necessarily encourage me. (however if all my guild mates are racing to 80 and are going to be in PVP then expect me to be tempted.

 

When you go into PvP YOU are lvl 80 - they automatically do that for your character - SO IT IS A NON-ISSUE.

I have a question though, sure, you are level 80, but do you have all the available skills in your class that a person who's reached level 80 has?  I'm going to guess no, and that could be a significant disadvantage in PVP if I were missing some class defining ability due to being lower level.

Oh well, in my case having or not having a few skills in PVP really doesn't change the outcome much, unless its a stun ability that lets me slip away.

 

"In these forums 'honest' seems to be a symonym for 'hates the game just like I do'" - ohioastro
Kyleran - Bitter Vet ™ since 2006
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon

  Amjoco

Elite Member

Joined: 9/15/10
Posts: 3772

7/22/12 7:20:07 AM#50

Circles.

It seems when the haters are warded back from one discussion, proved wrong, or it becomes a stalemate, it leads back to this topic. Cirlces.

Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.

  lilHeala

Novice Member

Joined: 8/30/11
Posts: 528

7/22/12 7:20:33 AM#51

As long as folks keep using the term pay 2 win for everything that has a cashshop regardless of items on offer or their effect on the gameplay, I keep on not taking them seriously. You can argue it's a common term but very obviously everybody has a different definition for it and keeps using it in different, often unrelated contexts.

So having seen just the title of OP's post I already stopped taking him seriously.

  Volkon

Novice Member

Joined: 9/14/10
Posts: 3813

Facts do not require fiction for balance.

7/22/12 7:22:03 AM#52

The best part of this whole debate... I've forgotten about the cash shop because I've been too busy having fun so far. I've received two keys in game, one as a personal story reward and one for completing a map. I've also found a handful of chests in game. So far, every chest has had a key in it (I'm sure that'll change) and I think I've received one of each buff. I might even try using one. But, I have to admit... I feel bad for the sorry bastages dumb enough to try and speed past the content in this game.

Oderint, dum metuant.

  GoldenArrow

Advanced Member

Joined: 6/09/08
Posts: 1079

7/22/12 7:24:33 AM#53

Cash Shops can be done in a good way (for example League of Legends, The Secret World) and in a bad way.

Unfortunately GW2 has a bad cash shop.

 

What will I do?

Wait it out and buy the game if it's worth it.

 

  nate1980

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 3/03/09
Posts: 1837

7/22/12 7:41:21 AM#54
Originally posted by Meowhead
Originally posted by Kyleran

So yes, I'll probably partake of the cash shop items to save some time, assuming that I perceive that I have any real need to be level 80 faster than by just standard playing of the title.

 

I'll be honest, I'm not sure that buying xp pots is going to help you much in this game.

It is only 50% over 1 hour for kills only.

That means it doesn't apply to hearts, gathering, crafting, DEs or exploration, which is honestly the vast majority of your epxerience compared to just killing (Since it's from multiple sources).

The only boost that seems to be significantly useful is the crafting one, since you can gather up all your materials and hunker down for one hour of extreme crafting. :)  (Even then, that means it's mostly suited for an alt, somebody who is running a second character, maybe not even really effective until your third).

I mean, I guess if you don't mind spending about a dollar 50 an hour to save a little time, that's fine, but it's equating to about 4.50 (xp boost + magic find boost + karma boost) per hour to save 30 minutes of time (And not even perfectly, especially so far as xp goes)  Not sure that's really worth it, especially with a mere 100 hours until level cap.

If it's not worth it, people won't buy it. If people aren't buying it, then ANET will re-evaluate the usefulness of it. Same with all items. If all those items in the cash shop is worthless and can be gotten without much more effort in game, then people won't spend money in the cash shop. ANET will then have to put items/buffs worthwhile in the cash shop or else they won't make any money from it.

Yet honestly, would I blame them? They're not charging a subscription fee and are delivering a AAA title. They need to make money some how, and a cash shop is the alternate to subscription fees. I personally was just hoping they'd make money off of downloadable content packs or something along those lines. But I can't complain regardless if the game is free after the box price.

  sapheroith

Novice Member

Joined: 3/21/12
Posts: 122

7/22/12 7:45:17 AM#55
Originally posted by GoldenArrow

Cash Shops can be done in a good way (for example League of Legends, The Secret World) and in a bad way.

Unfortunately GW2 has a bad cash shop.

 

What will I do?

Wait it out and buy the game if it's worth it.

 

 You dont put "TSW", "good" and "cash shop" in the same sentence because i am not convinced all the boosters in GW2's cash shop is worth $15 per month.

WOW: The Most Well Known Non-Free Non-Browser Client-Based 3D Fantasy MMORPG In Some Parts of the World.

  NightBandit

Hard Core Member

Joined: 1/25/07
Posts: 763

Make friends not money, then wealth will follow.

7/22/12 7:48:28 AM#56
Originally posted by Interesting
Originally posted by colddog04
Originally posted by Interesting

Real Money = Gems = Ingame Money = Stuff that gives advantage.

People aren't arguing that the relationship that you lay out here doesn't exist. They are arguing that the advantages given are negligible based on the design direction of GW2.

 

I wish I had a big graph for you, but basically, all you have to do is imagine a world where a person can see another person get to level 80 a day faster than themselves and be ok with it.

 

On a side note, the XP buff is particularly weak since it only counts for creatures killed and not total xp you get.

A single enemy, disrupting the time and effort, competition OVERALL EXPERIENCE of everyone else.

Im sure this wont be the worst offense to competition.

People will go out and spend a thousand bucks, BECAUSE THEY CAN. BECAUSE THERE IS INCENTIVE TO DO SO.

Thats what people think until a single enemy finances his whole team against you. What you do? Hope someone on your team does the same? Invest money yourself? Resignes and accepts this reality? Bows down and let them do as they please to you? Thats the attitude you have in real life? Just accept and resignates the control to someone else, without questioning or intervention?

Dilluting the wrong, does not make it disappear. Its an illusion that "it doesnt affect". In fact, if it was not supposed to cause such effect, it would not be allowed to. It would not have been designed to work this way. The hook is there, because they know that people will go for the advantage and thats what they are ultimatelly selling.

 

By changing the minds of the consumers to these, we can make them resist. We can deliver a message to the industry that we will not stand for these blatant disruptions to the basic core elements of our hobby. We can do this, with each communication, person by person, in a chain effect, we can have our way.

 The thing is I'm not sure why you are making such a fuss over this...Reason is you have the choice and you do not have to buy any of the fluff that is on offer as for others taking advantage of what's on offer. This would make me learn to play harder and I bet if we did a poll on people who buy fron cash shops you would find they are people who don't get the chance to play often or are lazy and what a quick fix. I have a friend like this who buys gold in every game and still never gets any where near the level I am or through the content. 

Again while I can see your point not sure why you are trying to make others join your crusade... Look at this from the other persons prospective, they may well have money to burn and they have the right to spend their money on what they please or want and it's not for us to tell them otherwise... Look how much it cost for a good night out these days and it's easy for people like me who do not drink or smoke to take advantage of this type of system. I do not normally bother with this type of thing but I have to confess that I recently logged back into EQI and had loads of free cash from being in game from day one so spent the points I had on a mount and massive bads for my new level one toon. Normally you could not get this until higher level, however I ended up playing it for a few days and felt no sense of achievment and stopped playing again.

One thing that does annoy me about games and if I had built an MMO I would do this too is to make the bank space small and then sell slots for bags and bank space to make buckets loads of money from them wanting to make money from crafting as there will always be people who make shit loads from crafting early in game. So you can not blame companies from doing this to get their investment back.

To give a bit of credit to GW2 they have got bank space to buy in game however the fact that they provided the option to send dropped crafting components to your shared bank is great Kudos for them and I feel this will make many players happy and encourage them to use it all.

Cash shops are not a game killer for me as I do not tend to use them, however if I saw something which I could take advantage of and did not pay a monthly fee to play that game then I might be more tempted to use this if I felt it gave me options or help with what I'm trying to achieve with cosmetic items like they have.

From what I have seen so far the game drops boxes and you can also get keys for completing certain things which allow you to open them, they give you exp increases for a short time and these are normally what you see in cash shops anyway.

Right loads of ranting from me in short it's all about players should be able to decide for them selves and options and choice are better then not having them, so if you feel that strongly about them you do not have to invest in their product or if you do like the product then don't use them your self, but sadly you will never stop others from exercising their choice.

Bandit

 

 

nightbandit Xfire Miniprofile
  Banquetto

Novice Member

Joined: 10/06/09
Posts: 1026

7/22/12 7:50:40 AM#57


Originally posted by GoldenArrow
Cash Shops can be done in a good way (for example League of Legends, The Secret World) and in a bad way.

Unfortunately GW2 has a bad cash shop. 



LOL.. ridiculous histrionics. You've clearly never seen a bad cash shop if you think GW2 is bad because you can buy some small +xp boosts and maybe sell some gems for gold to buy.. I dunno what.


Go play a genuine power-selling game like Allods, Runes of Magic, Atlantica.. then come back here and try to tell us with a straight face that GW2 has "a bad cash shop".

  KhinRunite

Novice Member

Joined: 11/05/10
Posts: 897

7/22/12 8:15:39 AM#58
Originally posted by Interesting
Originally posted by Kenze

get over it OP. seriously. the days of mmos being like a second job and crying over cash shops are over.  join the rest of us in 2012.

 

I dont get over things. Im a remnant. I dont change. Before I die I will convert those around me to my cause.

No worries. I always enjoy the read. More power to your cause. Anyway, I don't think you'd be doing that if it doesn't make you happy.

But please don't view us like we are "bowing down" to the system. We are intelligent too. We just know enough about the game's design to determine that the things you are worried about aren't really worth worrying about at all. We also have our reservations about the cash shop. We are not blind.

  Celcius

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/20/04
Posts: 932

7/22/12 1:13:10 PM#59

Honestly this topic is beaten to death nearly every day on these forums. The closest thing to the way the shop is setup in this game is league of legends. You can save a little time by investing money (hell ALOT of time in that game,lol) and you can also get some cosmetic items. Hell, you are essentially directly buying statistical advantages within your account profile in that game by speeding up the process, which is only something you can take advantage of in PvE in GW2. (Which is coop btw, not competitive) At this point you are just beating a dead horse because it only really matters to the rampant defenders of GW2 (ie: myself) and the rampant haters of GW2 (ie: some of the people in this thread). 

Fact is that Riot is making a crap load of money off a very comparable cash shop and the cash shop they have is more pay to win then this one. Nothing anyone says here will change ArenaNet's stance on this matter and if you don't like it...tough. They will make money off tons of people with this system and the average player (ie: no one on this forum) will not notice the difference. Thats kind of the point of micro transactions. Sorry, you won't ever find an MMO where the cash shop has 0 items that people want in it because they won't make money off it. Thats kind of the point of the cash shop. Be glad that ArenaNet is offering a way to buy the items without actually spending money.

  seridan

Novice Member

Joined: 5/26/12
Posts: 1212

7/22/12 1:42:22 PM#60
Originally posted by Interesting

A single enemy, disrupting the time and effort, competition OVERALL EXPERIENCE of everyone else.

How? You are always saying this will do this and that and you don't explain how.

Im sure this wont be the worst offense to competition.

People will go out and spend a thousand bucks, BECAUSE THEY CAN. BECAUSE THERE IS INCENTIVE TO DO SO.

So what's your problem with this and how it affects you?

Thats what people think until a single enemy finances his whole team against you. What you do? Hope someone on your team does the same? Invest money yourself? Resignes and accepts this reality? Bows down and let them do as they please to you? Thats the attitude you have in real life? Just accept and resignates the control to someone else, without questioning or intervention?

How exactly is someone going to finance WHICH team and win against me? Generalizations against the Cash Shop are nice but what you say isn't possible in this game.

Dilluting the wrong, does not make it disappear. Its an illusion that "it doesnt affect". In fact, if it was not supposed to cause such effect, it would not be allowed to. It would not have been designed to work this way. The hook is there, because they know that people will go for the advantage and thats what they are ultimatelly selling.

 What kind of advantage? Care to explain?

By changing the minds of the consumers to these, we can make them resist. We can deliver a message to the industry that we will not stand for these blatant disruptions to the basic core elements of our hobby. We can do this, with each communication, person by person, in a chain effect, we can have our way.

What is "our" way exactly? Do you mean "your" way? I still haven't seen a single argument from you to support your own points....

 

Block the trolls, don't answer them, so we can remove the garbage from these forums

5 Pages « 1 2 3 4 5 » Search