The OP reads like it's fake. Way to much info for a "leak".

Originally posted by bunnyhopper

Originally posted by Bardus

Originally posted by Ren128

Originally posted by Deewe

Enjoy ;)

 

 

what I have heard in the halls, Starwars Galaxies was shut down due to the fact are talks with LA,EA suits ecouraged the new guy at LA to increase the licensing fee at renewal time. it was a move to remove any direct competiton to TOR. Sorry guys gotta go but be good to each other."

 

 

What about that bit there? Do you think its true? 

That may be the most factual thing he said. Only thing is SOE lost the license 6 months before it expired and the same week TOR went live so there was more to it but I don't doubt a word of this guy on this part.

How can you just selectively pick one part to believe? Either the source is legit and it is all true (which looks unlikely), or the source is bullshit and it is all bullshit he's making up/guessing at.

I do not know what to think. At first I thought it seemed genuine, as it all fits, but after reading it a few times and thinking about it, most of it is just information that has been said about the forums and the internet, and opinions, which is why it fits and seems true.

That bit about SWG was posted countless times on the official SWG forums (and no doubt other forums), so the OP could have just taken that info from forums etc. I believe it to be true but it is not hard fact, (unless the OP is actually from Bioware! But even then, when you are at the company but not at top level, it it can still be a misconception. I doubt people in the know would go leaking stuff on the internet, only the underlings who like to gossip!).

I've seen better predictions or forecasts from posters on these boards. Written a hell of a lot better too. Doubt that is legit.

To be honest. I can believe that this might be legit.

Not every game developer is a literary scholar. English might not even be the persons first language.

The content of the post is entirely plausable and time will certainly tell if it's true or not.

Anyone know when the next investor conferance is due? 1.3 million is getting a little long in the tooth.

Originally posted by cinos

To be honest. I can believe that this might be legit.

Not every game developer is a literary scholar. English might not even be the persons first language.

The content of the post is entirely plausable and time will certainly tell if it's true or not.

Anyone know when the next investor conferance is due? 1.3 million is getting a little long in the tooth.

I believe it's either July 31 or August 2

I have doubts about this solely because if there was one thing Bioware did not do it was listen to people giving feedback.  I was in the long-term closed Beta, and the continual complaint was that they were not listening to feedback.

The interesting thing i am finding is that the thread about this on the TOR forums have not been bitch slapped into oblivion yet, hmmm why not im wondering, cant be because its been overlooked.

If some of it was not true would they have not torn it down by now?

SW:TOR is not a bad game, just no worth the €13/month sub. I've wanted to play it, but waitied for fully F2P. Looks like time is drawing near to start downloading & install it ;)

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Originally posted by Aethaeryn isn't the grammar too bad?  It reminds me of those. . Ur account is froz. . log in to save it or kittenz die.  At least I don't think he was in any inner circle.

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ROFL - Best post of the thread! Though I do agree with you about the legitimacy of the OP, I think it does hold some truth.

Originally posted by Creslin321

Originally posted by DeaconX

"but it was fan feedback from the day we opened the forums that encouraged us to design it for the fans the way it is and that included making it more like Kotor then an MMO like Wow."

That line annoyed me... either a huge majority of beta testers were saying the exact opposite things that I was saying, or the above is just bs...

Yeah I have no idea what "fans' were telling them to make the game like KOTOR.  And really, since the VO part of the game is essentially what makes it like KOTOR, and VO is far and above the most major part of this game...I don't think it would even be possible for "fan feedback" to have changed the direction of the game.  It clearly meant to be more KOTOR-like from the start.

From what I recall, yes, the majority of fans were telling them to make it more like KOTOR than WOW...

Only, they didn't exactly listen.

The progression and combat systems are a lot more like your standard MMO (yeah, like WOW) than they're like KOTOR. Granted, the game being story-focused within the TOR world of course brings in that KOTOR feel, but to me, that's not enough. The dark/light alignment is pretty much meaningless. The only "roles" you perform here turn out to be the MMO roles. Also, MMO tropes like "battlezones" in a Star Wars world like this makes no sense at all. It cheapens the experience. 

They should have just built up on their progression and combat systems in KOTOR, rather than sticking to "what's been proven to work in the MMO genre" and putting Star Wars names onto that, in my opinion. 

Also, on the OP: I'm not buying that.

SWTOR WILL go F2P, devs has been talking about it, it's not a rumor.

Originally posted by Bardus

Originally posted by DeaconX

"but it was fan feedback from the day we opened the forums that encouraged us to design it for the fans the way it is and that included making it more like Kotor then an MMO like Wow."

That line annoyed me... either a huge majority of beta testers were saying the exact opposite things that I was saying, or the above is just bs...

Not necessarily, everyone was screaming KOTOR3 and Bioware was set on a MMO so going by the end product we got KOTOR 3 and WOW both. Well sorta, they just screwed up how to do it. Once a game goes into testing, all the foundations are set. All the complaints from testers were mute not only from arragance from the overlords but also because by then it was too late to build a new game. They were stuck on the core of the game but that's still no excuse my many other things didn't get done.

I don't know. This is also the part that made me frown while reading, because both on the formums and during beta test players asked for more MMO and especially sandbox elements.

Ok they asked for Pazaak and Pod Racing but that's almost it.

Originally posted by solarine

Originally posted by Creslin321

Originally posted by DeaconX

"but it was fan feedback from the day we opened the forums that encouraged us to design it for the fans the way it is and that included making it more like Kotor then an MMO like Wow."

That line annoyed me... either a huge majority of beta testers were saying the exact opposite things that I was saying, or the above is just bs...

Yeah I have no idea what "fans' were telling them to make the game like KOTOR.  And really, since the VO part of the game is essentially what makes it like KOTOR, and VO is far and above the most major part of this game...I don't think it would even be possible for "fan feedback" to have changed the direction of the game.  It clearly meant to be more KOTOR-like from the start.

 

From what I recall, yes, the majority of fans were telling them to make it more like KOTOR than WOW...

Only, they didn't exactly listen.

The progression and combat systems are a lot more like your standard MMO (yeah, like WOW) than they're like KOTOR. Granted, the game being story-focused within the TOR world of course brings in that KOTOR feel, but to me, that's not enough. The dark/light alignment is pretty much meaningless. The only "roles" you perform here turn out to be the MMO roles. Also, MMO tropes like "battlezones" in a Star Wars world like this makes no sense at all. It cheapens the experience. 

They should have just built up on their progression and combat systems in KOTOR, rather than sticking to "what's been proven to work in the MMO genre" and putting Star Wars names onto that, in my opinion. 

 

Also, on the OP: I'm not buying that.

This, Thier first concept (by their own words back in 2008) was to actually make it KOTOR 3-x, leveling mostly on class story, no quest hubs and optional MP content (heroci quests+instances) Then, somewher along the road it started turning more and more into WoW, and what we did get was WoW with few class quests sprinkeled along the way.

I would have paid sub for KOTOR 3-x, i would even support it with a sub even when i didnt play. But SWTOR as it is now...generic, medicore game. Nope. I can raid for gear for free, and it dosnt really feel like SW anyway, so no loss there either.

Originally posted by Sebber

Originally posted by cinos

Anyone know when the next investor conferance is due? 1.3 million is getting a little long in the tooth.

I believe it's either July 31 or August 2

26 july annual stockholders meeting / 31 july earnings conference 

http://investor.ea.com/

Its not going free to play, i overheard a phone call, full transcript..... not in anyway trying to avoid the sub issue is bad

[Erickson answers the phone after comandeering a work desk]

Erickson: [sounding official] Uh, everything's under control. Situation normal.

Voice: What happened?

Erickson: [getting nervous] Uh, we had a slight sub malfunction, but uh... everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?

Voice: We're sending a squad up.

Erickson: Uh, uh... negative, negative. We have a mad ex employee here now. Give us a few minutes to lock him down. Large bloke, very dangerous.

Voice: Who is this? What's your operating number?

Erickson: Uh...
[Erickson shoots the phone]
Erickson: [muttering] Boring conversation anyway,  still at 1.3mil subs.........

Originally posted by knighthammer

Its not going free to play, i overheard a phone call, full transcript

 

 

[Erickson answers the phone after comandeering a work desk]

Erickson: [sounding official] Uh, everything's under control. Situation normal.

Voice: What happened?

Erickson: [getting nervous] Uh, we had a slight sub malfunction, but uh... everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?

Voice: We're sending a squad up.

Erickson: Uh, uh... negative, negative. We have a mad ex employee here now. Give us a few minutes to lock him down. Large bloke, very dangerous.

Voice: Who is this? What's your operating number?

Erickson: Uh...
[Erickson shoots the phone]
Erickson: [muttering] Boring conversation, anyway.

Don't try to make Erickson out as a hero.  Han might have shot him ... in the old days.

Originally posted by Deewe

Enjoy ;)

 

 

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http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/07...yoffs-rumored/ "auto34058432 I know many won't believe me. but, I work at Bioware. best part for me is coming here to read fans replies. I won't tell you much and I don't care if you believe me. So here is "what's" going on were I work. If you havent noticed the interviews we had given sometime back had been removed. mainly, the interviews that gave it "away" that we are looking at adding F2P model. we are indeed adding free to play to the game. now the best part for me is anonymity I have that allows me to be open. We will have mainly have a "fluff" shop for the new direction with F2P. but much of the legacy system will have the option to purchase those "perk's" (the main reason credit cost are high to slow progression until we patch F2P) as well many parts of the game will have new content that requires you purchase are type of "coinage" from the cash shop so you can buy the access to "special" content/quest. now new companions will also be in the shop. but due to us getting down sized and the staff changes a small team is working on these F2P changes. I don't want anyone to be upset by this. but many of these changes had been in the "planning stages" for many months since the sharp drop in subscribers. many parts of the game will cost money to access. for example you can unlock the new "cathar" race in your legacy. but buying the unlock, it will cost 10$ US So we are all pretty upset here. we know Daniel and Jimmy many more are next round of layoffs. EA blames us and to some extent they're right to. but it was fan feedback from the day we opened the forums that encouraged us to design it for the fans the way it is and that included making it more like Kotor then an MMO like Wow. Also from what I have heard in the halls, Starwars Galaxies was shut down due to the fact are talks with LA,EA suits ecouraged the new guy at LA to increase the licensing fee at renewal time. it was a move to remove any direct competiton to TOR. Sorry guys gotta go but be good to each other."

 

Umm... no. I enjoyed my time in SWTOR, i really did. But that is just flat out lying, bullshit or trolling. There's absolutely no way thats legit.

Originally posted by Aethaeryn

isn't the grammar too bad?  It reminds me of those. . Ur account is froz. . log in to save it or kittenz die.  At least I don't think he was in any inner circle.

 

So we are all pretty upset here. we know Daniel and Jimmy many more are next round of layoffs.

We will have mainly have a "fluff" shop

Yes, it looks like google translator tbh, but we should believe in a guy who dont even know how to write.  And like someone say, Warhammer and Daoc are still P2P, swtor F2P wont happen.     

Doubt it's real. . . but then again it could be true. I've seen plenty of devs blame the fans for the troubles.

We wanted a Star Wars MMO, not KoTOR 3 and not WoW. To blame fans just flat-out says "We are inept." Indeed they are.

No one wanted the space combat to suck as bad as it does, we were hoping for something awesome. Not a pathetic Star Fox clone, hell the source is better to play.

Ilum, we wanted them to fix it and make it worth playing on. Not abandon it.

So many things we said needed fixing. From beta to now we warned them, instead they ingored and go "Look, we have more raids and stuff for you to do." Oh goodie, more things that are broken. If they were listening to fan feedback, it wasn't from those they should listen to.

Ugh, I don't understand the way they think. Sorry for the rant, just tired of getting pissed on time and time again.

And when I say we, I know I don't mean everyone, so please don't tear me up.

Originally posted by stragen001

Yeah..... I work at Arenanet and they are planning to introduce a sub 2 months after launch.....

<<>>

What kind of sub? I might start playing Guild Wars 2 if it's something like steak and cheese or sweet onion chickent teriyaki. 

Originally posted by Deewe

Enjoy ;)

 

 

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http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/07...yoffs-rumored/ "auto34058432 I know many won't believe me. but, I work at Bioware. best part for me is coming here to read fans replies. I won't tell you much and I don't care if you believe me. So here is "what's" going on were I work. If you havent noticed the interviews we had given sometime back had been removed. mainly, the interviews that gave it "away" that we are looking at adding F2P model. we are indeed adding free to play to the game. now the best part for me is anonymity I have that allows me to be open. We will have mainly have a "fluff" shop for the new direction with F2P. but much of the legacy system will have the option to purchase those "perk's" (the main reason credit cost are high to slow progression until we patch F2P) as well many parts of the game will have new content that requires you purchase are type of "coinage" from the cash shop so you can buy the access to "special" content/quest. now new companions will also be in the shop. but due to us getting down sized and the staff changes a small team is working on these F2P changes. I don't want anyone to be upset by this. but many of these changes had been in the "planning stages" for many months since the sharp drop in subscribers. many parts of the game will cost money to access. for example you can unlock the new "cathar" race in your legacy. but buying the unlock, it will cost 10$ US So we are all pretty upset here. we know Daniel and Jimmy many more are next round of layoffs. EA blames us and to some extent they're right to. but it was fan feedback from the day we opened the forums that encouraged us to design it for the fans the way it is and that included making it more like Kotor then an MMO like Wow. Also from what I have heard in the halls, Starwars Galaxies was shut down due to the fact are talks with LA,EA suits ecouraged the new guy at LA to increase the licensing fee at renewal time. it was a move to remove any direct competiton to TOR. Sorry guys gotta go but be good to each other."

 

LOL.   Even if you ingore the fact the SWTOR forum mods have deleted 1000s of thread of poeple saying they wish this or that was different, or the game sucked.  There were still 100s of thread complaining about how bioware was making the long long before the game lanuched. 

Also given BioEA arrgoance a post like this doesn't suprize me.