Originally posted by RebelScum99

Originally posted by AmbrosiaAmor

 

 

The only thing that doesn't seem to fit is "encouraged us to design it for the fans the way it is and that included making it more like Kotor then an MMO like Wow." Wasn't almost the entire game a copy from WOW?

No.  In fact, had they not fucked up the WoW model and instead made it an exact clone, it might have done better.  Bioware's problem isn't that they made a WoW clone, despite what the butt-hurt SWG sandboxers will tell you.  Bioware's problem is that they made a shitty WoW clone, filled with too much instancing to enhance their storylines, a closed-off, dull, linear world design, poor endgame content, and many missing quality-of-life features that are standard with MMOs.  

This game would have been just fine as a WoW clone.  Unfortunately, they boxed themselves in with their own story and constructed their entire game as nothing more than a linear vehicle in which to convey that story.  

Originally posted by DeaconX

"but it was fan feedback from the day we opened the forums that encouraged us to design it for the fans the way it is and that included making it more like Kotor then an MMO like Wow."

That line annoyed me... either a huge majority of beta testers were saying the exact opposite things that I was saying, or the above is just bs...

Yeah I have no idea what "fans' were telling them to make the game like KOTOR.  And really, since the VO part of the game is essentially what makes it like KOTOR, and VO is far and above the most major part of this game...I don't think it would even be possible for "fan feedback" to have changed the direction of the game.  It clearly meant to be more KOTOR-like from the start.

Originally posted by Korusus

I believed it up until the part about expecting that any sane person would pay real-world money for the Legacy unlocks.  Most people won't pay in-game money for the Legacy unlocks, let alone actual cold cash.  What I'm saying is...Legacy is such a joke...

I'd pay, but I wouldn't pay 10 dollars for anything on there.

Originally posted by SuperXero89

Originally posted by Korusus

I believed it up until the part about expecting that any sane person would pay real-world money for the Legacy unlocks.  Most people won't pay in-game money for the Legacy unlocks, let alone actual cold cash.  What I'm saying is...Legacy is such a joke...

I'd pay, but I wouldn't pay 10 dollars for anything on there.8i 

I think this is the key of what are they doing with Legacy. 

I cant belive they (BW)are so short minded to add so much crap as Legacy joins, and call it a revolutionary system. I cant belive that a drag and drop Character Bio Sheet , that can't  even be inspected by other players, or a pile of useless nonsenses like 2% experience boosts for a total ammount of 600 xp, is something people really wants to grind.

The trick is they are saving the cool things for cash people:  like +300% xp perks , crafting crits chance, new animations, gear or companions, even new species (also it will be another coloured human like cathars, zeltrons or whatever ...)

We will see how Legacy becomes a store like the STO store where to buy new ships, new crew (companions), new clothes (lol everybody will pay this as actual robes and clothes are so dumb as wear a bell on  the head...oh wait) 

LEGACY CRAP JUST CAN'T BE SO LAME AS IT IS. I cant belive it. 

Originally posted by Deewe

Enjoy ;)

 

 

what I have heard in the halls, Starwars Galaxies was shut down due to the fact are talks with LA,EA suits ecouraged the new guy at LA to increase the licensing fee at renewal time. it was a move to remove any direct competiton to TOR. Sorry guys gotta go but be good to each other."

 

What about that bit there? Do you think its true? 

Originally posted by Ren128

Originally posted by Deewe

Enjoy ;)

 

 

what I have heard in the halls, Starwars Galaxies was shut down due to the fact are talks with LA,EA suits ecouraged the new guy at LA to increase the licensing fee at renewal time. it was a move to remove any direct competiton to TOR. Sorry guys gotta go but be good to each other."

 

 

What about that bit there? Do you think its true? 

That may be the most factual thing he said. Only thing is SOE lost the license 6 months before it expired and the same week TOR went live so there was more to it but I don't doubt a word of this guy on this part.

There are so many grammatical errors in that post I simply refuse to believe he is who he claims. I'm not looking for perfection, but basic professionalism.

Let's face it. Saying it's going to be free to play isn't information I need from inside the BIO/EA. I know it to be true standing out here in the cold with everyone else. 

yawnnn  first of all if you do work at bioware I feel for you after Dragon Age 2  and Mass Effect 3 you guys are going downhill not to mention the failure that is SWTOR  nobody cares...gotta go ...getting some sleep to play the Guild wars 2 beta weekend...and prepare for the August launch laters SWTOR.

Originally posted by Bardus

Originally posted by Ren128

Originally posted by Deewe

Enjoy ;)

 

 

what I have heard in the halls, Starwars Galaxies was shut down due to the fact are talks with LA,EA suits ecouraged the new guy at LA to increase the licensing fee at renewal time. it was a move to remove any direct competiton to TOR. Sorry guys gotta go but be good to each other."

 

 

What about that bit there? Do you think its true? 

That may be the most factual thing he said. Only thing is SOE lost the license 6 months before it expired and the same week TOR went live so there was more to it but I don't doubt a word of this guy on this part.

For someone who believed in BS of EAlouse ofcourse you would believe this guy too. You would believe anyone who spews negative BS about SWTOR.

By the way Repopulation is a clone of SWG. So it is not exactly a clone free enviornment.

Originally posted by Bardus

Originally posted by Ren128

Originally posted by Deewe

Enjoy ;)

 

 

what I have heard in the halls, Starwars Galaxies was shut down due to the fact are talks with LA,EA suits ecouraged the new guy at LA to increase the licensing fee at renewal time. it was a move to remove any direct competiton to TOR. Sorry guys gotta go but be good to each other."

 

 

What about that bit there? Do you think its true? 

That may be the most factual thing he said. Only thing is SOE lost the license 6 months before it expired and the same week TOR went live so there was more to it but I don't doubt a word of this guy on this part.

How can you just selectively pick one part to believe? Either the source is legit and it is all true (which looks unlikely), or the source is bullshit and it is all bullshit he's making up/guessing at.

Actually, it does not really matter if source is legit, because majority of his statements are either publicly known or are expected to happen.

What really interests me is whether the subscription model will be replaced by cash shop, which would make the game B2P with cash shop. If yes, then kudos to BW, beacuse it should have been this way from the very beginning and will make the game appealing to a lot of people.

I think it will end up with the F2P model that lets you play for free some content, but not all of it. Something along the lines of being able to do the solo stuff, but no participate in PVP,Operations, or Space Combat without subbing. In fact I could see them going all the way where you can't really interact with people at all unless you sub. Would work for me though as I really enjoy the stories but couldn't justify monthly sub just for that.

Originally posted by BePositive

I think it will end up with the F2P model that lets you play for free some content, but not all of it. Something along the lines of being able to do the solo stuff, but no participate in PVP,Operations, or Space Combat without subbing. In fact I could see them going all the way where you can't really interact with people at all unless you sub. Would work for me though as I really enjoy the stories but couldn't justify monthly sub just for that.

True. If they let me finish the stories of all the classes without paying the sub fee, I might even throw them a few $ to their cash shop.

The scariest part is that they have folks working there that can't type at a 6th grade level. I'm no grammar police, but come on man. Learn to grammar. No one is going to read that much bad grammar let alone believe the person who wrote it.

Originally posted by xr00t3dx

There are so many grammatical errors in that post I simply refuse to believe he is who he claims. I'm not looking for perfection, but basic professionalism.

If I was going to post something like this, I'd want to make sure that no-one who knew my writing style would know it was me.

I work with a tech guy, knows servers inside out, smart as a button - can't string a sentence together in an email without making a bunch of typos.

I'm not saying it's what it purports to be, but dismissing it on it's use of language is pretty short-sighted.

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Originally posted by Teilo

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Originally posted by xr00t3dx There are so many grammatical errors in that post I simply refuse to believe he is who he claims. I'm not looking for perfection, but basic professionalism.

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If I was going to post something like this, I'd want to make sure that no-one who knew my writing style would know it was me.

I work with a tech guy, knows servers inside out, smart as a button - can't string a sentence together in an email without making a bunch of typos.

I'm not saying it's what it purports to be, but dismissing it on it's use of language is pretty short-sighted.

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ok so its late and im just arguing ... but honestly, if you cannot communicate with other people, you are not "smart as a button".

see. horrible grammar, but you can still easily understand it. typos, a couple of double negatives ... these things are fine. sentences that make as much sense as a pile of spaghetti = someone who shouldn't be working on a complex team based project.

Sounds like a mad SWG vet.

I fully expect that SWTOR will go F2P, but that post is obviously not from a Bioware employee.

Whether the post is by a Bioware person or not it is clear, from what Bioware has previoulsy posted, that f2p will have been / is being considered as an option. Does this mean the game will be going f2p? No. EA will have considered a whole range of options: increasing the monthly sub; decreasing the monthly sub; paid for DLC; reducing the number of servers to 1; closing the game and paying LA whatever they have to; porting the game to mobile phones; annual lsubscriptions; lifetime subscriptions ..... anything and everything will be on the table whether the game is making money or not.

Doesn't mean anything will happen.

The way the post is written? Well if it is from a Bioware employee then this may well be deliberate.

The legacy system is hard so that it can be made an cash shop item - well that was obvious. Pretty sure it was discussed here; was certainly discussed on the VN forums.

The fact remains however that f2p - to work - requires people; and not just anybody but people who spend money. EA will have their own data but to put things in perspective the data Zynga have released can be used:

- last quarter Zynga reported that average revenue doubled to an average of 33 cents for the quarter

- previoulsy Zynga have said that most revenue comes from 5% of the playerbase - the other 95% paying nothing.

EA said SWTOR needed 500k monthly subs to break even - say $7.5M/30 days or about $23M/quarter. (Sure it is less now.)

Using the Zynga numbers - and this is just to put things into perspective (a bit if fun):

- SWTOR will need 69M "subs" per quarter each paying an average of 33 cents to break even.

69 million!

Or if they only have 500k subs they need to be about 140 times better than Zynga at generating revenue via micro-transactions. Every month. And deal with the inbuilt churn that f2p games have.

EA will have done these type of calcs - they will have used their own data and a whole range of sub numbers, average revenue numbers, bronze/silver/gold type sub memberships. And got some scary answers I suspect - probably why nothing has happened so far - or rather why the focus is on getting the number of subs needed to break even down. If they get it to 200k or whatever then f2p will probably never arrive.  

if TOR does go f2p (which I doubt)

then hopefully EA will convert their older titles to f2p :  Ultima Online, DAOC, Warhammer