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Originally posted by Meowhead

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Originally posted by Corehaven However also keep in mind that at least some complaints will be constructive and there's no need to label them QQ'ers or whiners or anything like that.  Although I do kind of think its funny there's a thread complaining about the complainers before they even start complaining.  Hmmm.....

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 They should probably just make a generic, non-game specific version of this thread and sticky it on the front of the page.

People will start complaining about a game before it even exists, will complain about it when it's announced, and won't stop even years after the game is discontinued (Notice you can still find complaints about Auto Assault and Tabula Rasa, just offhand).

Complaining about things is just one more way to occupy yourself. :)  People will complain about things they know nothing about, they'll complain about legitimate things, they'll complain about things that are opinion and accuse anybody holding a contrary opinion of being deluded.

That's just... that's just people.

It's not even restricted to MMORPGs, or this forum.  People are whiny.  Hey, it worked when we were babies, no reason to stop now, right? :)

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You betcha! :)

Originally posted by Freedom4u2

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by lilHeala

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Freedom4u2

 

You can solely level from PvP. You can join the PvP world as soon as level 1. You can buy gear, kill enemies, players, gather skills, gather crafting elements and golds from this place. You could play from 1 to 80 without never leaving this place -- and yes, you can get ganked. However, pretty much everyone is on the same level, so unless you're 80 and gank a level 30 and less, you'll have to fight to get the kill.

This is funny to me. You say it was owpvp because you can level up in it. One blogger said it was because it wasn't instanced. Really, LOL

So, if i make an area with a small keep with a "mini siege", non instanced but with a cap (like WVW), some mobs, quests and you can level there, and it's teh size of a Battleground, i can call it open world pvp? Ok, whatever.

Look, you fell WVW is owpvp. To me, no matter how you sugar it and twist it, it isn't, but that's my opinion. WVW, Illum, Fusang, etc are areas that are seperate in the same style, like Wintergrasp. it's not owpvp IMO.

But then again, nowadays, co-op lobby games like Diablo 3 and GW1 are considered mmos by some, so, meh. Not going to get into this argument. You have your defenition, i have mine. This topic as already been discussed to death

The "QQstorms" after the previous two BETA weekends has been relatively weak in my opinion. Especially when you consider the sheer amount of players playing the BWEs.

This time there will be even more people playing and checking it out. So yeah, expect negative opinions as always (for all games at any time, really). 

Lets just hope that the posters that have a negative opinion post like adults with well thought out reasoning behind why they dislike certain things. It definitely makes things more interesting when people actually bring forward good points.

Originally posted by FredomSekerZ

Originally posted by Freedom4u2

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by lilHeala

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Freedom4u2

 

You can solely level from PvP. You can join the PvP world as soon as level 1. You can buy gear, kill enemies, players, gather skills, gather crafting elements and golds from this place. You could play from 1 to 80 without never leaving this place -- and yes, you can get ganked. However, pretty much everyone is on the same level, so unless you're 80 and gank a level 30 and less, you'll have to fight to get the kill.

This is funny to me. You say it was owpvp because you can level up in it. One blogger said it was because it wasn't instanced. Really, LOL

So, if i make an area with a small keep with a "mini siege", non instanced but with a cap (like WVW), some mobs, quests and you can level there, and it's teh size of a Battleground, i can call it open world pvp? Ok, whatever.

Look, you fell WVW is owpvp. To me, no matter how you sugar it and twist it, it isn't, but that's my opinion. WVW, Illum, Fusang, etc are areas that are seperate in the same style, like Wintergrasp. it's not owpvp IMO.

But then again, nowadays, co-op lobby games like Diablo 3 and GW1 are considered mmos by some, so, meh. Not going to get into this argument. You have your defenition, i have mine. This topic as already been discussed to death

Fair enough, but I'd like to reiterate my point.  First of all, the size of the whole WvWvW map is much, much bigger than any battleground you might think of. The size of one bloc of WvWvW is roughly the size of two or three regular zones, not to speak of the main WvWvW zone.

Secondly, it's a real time PvP for a simple reason: You do not have to queue, you have objectives and dynamic events, just like any regular leveling zones. The world is huge and you can pretty much attack anyone not in your "faction", which is dictated by your server. There's absolutely no "lobby" to wait in -- and D3 wasn't a MMO. GW 1 is still debated on, but you cannot compare GW2 with GW1, as they're absolutely different games.

Then, you have the amount of people in it. I doubt any regular BG could have over 500 people at the same time. However, real world PvP would. Don't forget everything necessary for world PvP is also present in this world, like attacking someone gathering stuff or working on a dynamic event. If GW 2 isn't real world PvP, then Aion wouldn't be World PvP either. But everyone agree Aion is world PvP and I don't see how the system is any different. Objectives, quests, huge amount of players. But GW 2 have the advantage of quality :)

I agree about this topic has been discussed to death. My definition of world PvP fit WvWvW and not yours.

I hope a banstorm will come along the "QQstorm" comes release so people who have nothing to do here won't be allowed to ruin it...

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

I hope a banstorm will come along the "QQstorm" comes release so people who have nothing to do here won't be allowed to ruin it...

I know, right:  I mean obviously all dissenting opinions must be squashed.

Originally posted by Anireth          Once you are level 80 and have max stat equipment, which you can easily acquire by playing the story, there is nothing someone can buy to "get a step ahead". They are ahead for some time if they want, but the players who will hit max fastest are not those that buy their way anyways, but those that play 24/7. And a month later you won't know who bought what, as many people are max level, have the best equipment, all skills unlocked etc.

Please help me understand (being completely honest and sincere here).

A month later, a vast amount of the population will be capped with the "best" gear, as per your own statement.  Okay.

Now what is the point in continuing to play?  Honest question.  Or is it a matter of waiting for the first of many paid expansions, at which point gameplay will flourish again..? 

This is all besides the PvP (Wv3) of course, which I'm assuming a decent amount of players won't take part in.. considering the general trend in other games.

So is it cosmetic outfits at this point that you are going after?  Not items to make your character more powerful?

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

I hope a banstorm will come along the "QQstorm" comes release so people who have nothing to do here won't be allowed to ruin it...

I know right? I mean obviously all dissenting opinions must be squashed.

People who don't even play the game but who constantly whine about it have nothing to do on a fan forum. And people who play the game but have problems with it should be posting on the game's customer support forums, not here.

I rest my case. I hope utterly negative "trolls" are erradicated once this game is released (August 25.), so that the players can actually share information about the game without every other thread being disrupted by people who are only here to spread negativity and not to participate positively in the community.

And I don't mean "remove all negative opinions" - I mean "remove all those whose every single post is negative and whose obvious agenda is to troll and spread negativity". Which are two very different things.

/out of here.

Originally posted by Acidon

Originally posted by Anireth          Once you are level 80 and have max stat equipment, which you can easily acquire by playing the story, there is nothing someone can buy to "get a step ahead". They are ahead for some time if they want, but the players who will hit max fastest are not those that buy their way anyways, but those that play 24/7. And a month later you won't know who bought what, as many people are max level, have the best equipment, all skills unlocked etc.

 

Please help me understand (being completely honest and sincere here).

 

A month later, a vast amount of the population will be capped with the "best" gear, as per your own statement.  Okay.

Now what is the point in continuing to play?  Honest question.  Or is it a matter of waiting for the first of many paid expansions, at which point gameplay will flourish again..? 

This is all besides the PvP (Wv3) of course, which I'm assuming a decent amount of players won't take part in.. considering the general trend in other games.

So is it cosmetic outfits at this point that you are going after?  Not items to make your character more powerful?

The biggest part of your argument I disagree with is pvp. I think its a big mistake to think Gw2s pvp is just like the rest of the MMOs, they designed the game with pvp from the get go and it shows. Its not a tacked on feature and will attract many competitive pvp players. That doesn't even touch the folks who have DAOC nostalgia and WvW is the closest modern replica of that.

Originally posted by Acidon

Originally posted by Anireth          Once you are level 80 and have max stat equipment, which you can easily acquire by playing the story, there is nothing someone can buy to "get a step ahead". They are ahead for some time if they want, but the players who will hit max fastest are not those that buy their way anyways, but those that play 24/7. And a month later you won't know who bought what, as many people are max level, have the best equipment, all skills unlocked etc.

 

Please help me understand (being completely honest and sincere here).

 

A month later, a vast amount of the population will be capped with the "best" gear, as per your own statement.  Okay.

Now what is the point in continuing to play?  Honest question.  Or is it a matter of waiting for the first of many paid expansions, at which point gameplay will flourish again..? 

This is all besides the PvP (Wv3) of course, which I'm assuming a decent amount of players won't take part in.. considering the general trend in other games.

So is it cosmetic outfits at this point that you are going after?  Not items to make your character more powerful?

It's sadly a misconception created by world of warcraft. I'll redirect you here: http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/473/feature/6574

You'll also have WvWvW if you want real competition PvP wise, but as I can read it sounds like you're not interested in it. But a lot will ;)

Originally posted by Corehaven

Well Im happy enough to be in.  I'm going in with the attitude that there WILL BE things I dont like.  Period.  If I dont find any then I must have missed something.  All I care about is if the good out weighs the negative.  That's what Im expecting at least. 

 

However also keep in mind that at least some complaints will be constructive and there's no need to label them QQ'ers or whiners or anything like that.  Although I do kind of think its funny there's a thread complaining about the complainers before they even start complaining.  Hmmm.....

And that's how gaming should be viewed in it's entirety.

So something has a few bad points, if there are a lot more good points in it then give it a shot. Bugs me that people see one bad thing then go off "I don't like this one thing so whole game sucks and will fail! ROAR!"

And what's this? A contructive complaint can't be called QQ? What blasphemy is this you speak of?

Not sure I understand the reasoning of this thread, it sounds more like the OP is trying to lure haters into the BWE. Maybe its just me over thinking what he posted ... not sure. However when you play a beta, you should be focusing on the game.

Why would anyone spend 1 hour downloading a game just to troll its chat? I mean you can do that in any f2p MMO out there right now. Why would you even waste your time?

Personally I like reading chat to see where other players came from, and their reasoning for trying out GW2. The QQ storm can be avoided entirely as long as you don't get heated over mindless prattle.

Originally posted by Wakygreek

Not sure I understand the reasoning of this thread, it sounds more like the OP is trying to lure haters into the BWE. Maybe its just me over thinking what he posted ... not sure. However when you play a beta, you should be focusing on the game.

Why would anyone spend 1 hour downloading a game just to troll its chat? I mean you can do that in any f2p MMO out there right now. Why would you even waste your time?

Personally I like reading chat to see where other players came from, and their reasoning for trying out GW2. The QQ storm can be avoided entirely as long as you don't get heated over mindless prattle.

My question is: Have you ever been in a MMO beta? I do sadly remember rift, Aion & SW:ToR beta well enough to know it's always happening. The fact that this last BWE is open to almost everyone makes it even worst; we go from people who paid 60$ to people who can just fill a giveaway, grab a code, download the game and play it 5 minutes and then start to troll ;)

The goal of this thread is to warn people that some people will try to reduce the experience of others by writting things that aren't true about the game, or who are too close minded to understand that some people can like a game that is not theirs. Hence why I added the TIP: section on my first post :)

Gotta love preemptive troll bashing threads.
/popcorn

Epic flametrollbait is epic.

Well, I couldn't care less about what a vocal minority thinks (and at this stage, even the most rabid antagonist of the game would be hard pressed to deny that only a very minor MMO population are viewing GW2 negatively). All I care about is:

- My previous in-game experiences, which were more than good,

- A sensible Cash Shop , and we have no indication whatsoever that it will otherwise,

- Performance and server stability, which are definitely improving thus far.

If something bad happens, I'll be the first to criticize it. But, so far, most criticism is just nitpicking and misdirections.

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

People who don't even play the game but who constantly whine about it have nothing to do on a fan forum. And people who play the game but have problems with it should be posting on the game's customer support forums, not here.

I rest my case. I hope utterly negative "trolls" are erradicated once this game is released (August 25.), so that the players can actually share information about the game without every other thread being disrupted by people who are only here to spread negativity and not to participate positively in the community.

And I don't mean "remove all negative opinions" - I mean "remove all those whose every single post is negative and whose obvious agenda is to troll and spread negativity". Which are two very different things.

/out of here.

Come on now :)

You have been around a long time, you know that'll never happen!

Originally posted by Freedom4u2

Originally posted by Wakygreek

Not sure I understand the reasoning of this thread, it sounds more like the OP is trying to lure haters into the BWE. Maybe its just me over thinking what he posted ... not sure. However when you play a beta, you should be focusing on the game.

Why would anyone spend 1 hour downloading a game just to troll its chat? I mean you can do that in any f2p MMO out there right now. Why would you even waste your time?

Personally I like reading chat to see where other players came from, and their reasoning for trying out GW2. The QQ storm can be avoided entirely as long as you don't get heated over mindless prattle.

My question is: Have you ever been in a MMO beta? I do sadly remember rift, Aion & SW:ToR beta well enough to know it's always happening. The fact that this last BWE is open to almost everyone makes it even worst; we go from people who paid 60$ to people who can just fill a giveaway, grab a code, download the game and play it 5 minutes and then start to troll ;)

 

The goal of this thread is to warn people that some people will try to reduce the experience of others by writting things that aren't true about the game, or who are too close minded to understand that some people can like a game that is not theirs. Hence why I added the TIP: section on my first post :)

 So yo answer your question, Yes I have been in numerous betas. I fear the way you posted this thread has the opposite effect. Sadly when I read it I thought you were just creating a troll post to agrivate non GW2 players into actually trolling your game. Then again if that was not your intent, I would suggest editing your post to correct that viewpoint. Then again if I am the only one seeing that then by all means disregard me heh.

Although normally if you want to avoid people trash talking your game, you want to keep their attention on more important things like how awesome the game features are...and about promoting grouping with like-minded players etc.

Anyways, good luck to everyone in the last BWE, keep us posted on how the game is running. Looking forward to the results.

Frankly...i couldn´t care less.

I´ve played it and i love it.

It´s all i care about.

And finally is coming out!

I´m ready!