Originally posted by Epicent

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by Talketzanto

Let me start off by saying im looking forward to a skill based game. No more hearing "you suck baddie, your geared out". But I was wondering how the unskilled population (probably 35%) would take the game.

 

Now everyone has been in a guild where you got a few unskilled players (downright horrible) in the guild at pvp. Of course you would never say that to them or hurt there feelings but you still think it. Well alot of them can still be commited to the game and work hard to get gear because they really want to be better but unfortunatly you can only learn so much "skill" the rest is pretty much flat out talent for games.  I feel like it does hurt those players alot because they are kinda stuck in that no mans land. At least if they got gear they could become almost average and contribute to a team and feel like they arn't as bad as they are (kinda a false sense of acheivement) but its going to be hard for them if they have no way getting better.

 

Whats everyone's thoughts on this? Will it force the "unskilled" players out of the game?

I think it will take the excuse of "its all about gear" from the unskilled players which is so common in the other MMOs.  They will find that they still suck even though there is no gear advantage in GW2.

If you suck in a game with gear, you will suck in a game without it.  The gear difference is NOT as extreme as the feebs make it out to be.  I never had a problem competing in any PVP even with a newly geared character.  I never once complained because I was undergeared because you just need to play smarter and pick your battles better.  It's called skill.

Fail player is fail in any game.

Gear doesnt make a difference? Have you played WoW lol :)

At least in WoW gear does make a difference, BIG one... the best example is at lvl 10-20 pvp where are all the new players (starter edition) and all the ''elite'' players with all that nice leveling gear and they kill 1 hit any player with normal gear, which is so ridiculous btw.

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by Epicent

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by KingGator

I LOL for real just a little bit any time I see someone talking about "skill" in an mmo. Its a game, even if you're elite, you don't have a skill. You're just good at a game. People take this stuff waaaay too seriously. I love games but man I have never had an actual meaningful moment, or a moment that required true skill..........because.....it...is......a.....game that fat kids living in their mother's basement are probably the best in the world at.

So now you are arguing that "games" don't take skill?

 

Huh. Cool.

I know right. I have right around 30 keybinds in my current mmo but I guess thats just easy peasy. (Rolls eyes)

IT IS, that you don't get that is mind boggling to me, binds by definition are to make the game easier.

 

Again, if you can be good at something competitive while being 5ft2 300 lbs and living in your mother's basement it doesn't take skill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8EchclYj9c&feature=related  I rest my case with this video. YOU could never do that in a million years. If gaming weren't skill based then essentially every single person on the planet could do this at the same speed as this guy..............Not gonna happen friend.

Originally posted by Epicent

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by Epicent

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by KingGator

I LOL for real just a little bit any time I see someone talking about "skill" in an mmo. Its a game, even if you're elite, you don't have a skill. You're just good at a game. People take this stuff waaaay too seriously. I love games but man I have never had an actual meaningful moment, or a moment that required true skill..........because.....it...is......a.....game that fat kids living in their mother's basement are probably the best in the world at.

So now you are arguing that "games" don't take skill?

 

Huh. Cool.

I know right. I have right around 30 keybinds in my current mmo but I guess thats just easy peasy. (Rolls eyes)

IT IS, that you don't get that is mind boggling to me, binds by definition are to make the game easier.

 

Again, if you can be good at something competitive while being 5ft2 300 lbs and living in your mother's basement it doesn't take skill.

Get over that stereotype. The best gamers in the world are skinny teenagers usually. Esports champions that make MONEY just like any other sport. And even if one were 5 ft (not sure what height has to do with it.) and 300 lbs AND lived in there mothers basement that would have absolutely no correlation AT ALL to the current discussion. Stop trolling the forums and get off if you aren't going to have a relevant discussion. And its harder to learn 30 different keybinds than click 30 different skills anyday. Notice I said harder to learn not more efficient.

I am not trolling. As I said, its a laughable premise and people that take themselves this seriously amuse me. And yes, I am sure someone who spends 6 hours a day in front of a computer is the very model of fitness. Again, binds make games easier, not harder or I wouldn't use them. More efficient is easier than having to do more for the same result, it is the definition of easy.  And did you just equate esport champions to "any other sport" .............................................................mind boggling

Originally posted by Epicent

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by Epicent

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by KingGator

I LOL for real just a little bit any time I see someone talking about "skill" in an mmo. Its a game, even if you're elite, you don't have a skill. You're just good at a game. People take this stuff waaaay too seriously. I love games but man I have never had an actual meaningful moment, or a moment that required true skill..........because.....it...is......a.....game that fat kids living in their mother's basement are probably the best in the world at.

So now you are arguing that "games" don't take skill?

 

Huh. Cool.

I know right. I have right around 30 keybinds in my current mmo but I guess thats just easy peasy. (Rolls eyes)

IT IS, that you don't get that is mind boggling to me, binds by definition are to make the game easier.

 

Again, if you can be good at something competitive while being 5ft2 300 lbs and living in your mother's basement it doesn't take skill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8EchclYj9c&feature=related  I rest my case with this video. YOU could never do that in a million years. If gaming weren't skill based then essentially every single person on the planet could do this at the same speed as this guy..............Not gonna happen friend.

le sigh, aight man firing a rifle in real life takes skill. Firing a rifle in game requires one pudgy finger to press one key., or god for bid one movement of the mouse. I use to box, that took skill, I use to play punch out at the arcade when I was a kid too, that didn't take skill.

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by Epicent

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by Epicent

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by KingGator

I LOL for real just a little bit any time I see someone talking about "skill" in an mmo. Its a game, even if you're elite, you don't have a skill. You're just good at a game. People take this stuff waaaay too seriously. I love games but man I have never had an actual meaningful moment, or a moment that required true skill..........because.....it...is......a.....game that fat kids living in their mother's basement are probably the best in the world at.

So now you are arguing that "games" don't take skill?

 

Huh. Cool.

I know right. I have right around 30 keybinds in my current mmo but I guess thats just easy peasy. (Rolls eyes)

IT IS, that you don't get that is mind boggling to me, binds by definition are to make the game easier.

 

Again, if you can be good at something competitive while being 5ft2 300 lbs and living in your mother's basement it doesn't take skill.

Get over that stereotype. The best gamers in the world are skinny teenagers usually. Esports champions that make MONEY just like any other sport. And even if one were 5 ft (not sure what height has to do with it.) and 300 lbs AND lived in there mothers basement that would have absolutely no correlation AT ALL to the current discussion. Stop trolling the forums and get off if you aren't going to have a relevant discussion. And its harder to learn 30 different keybinds than click 30 different skills anyday. Notice I said harder to learn not more efficient.

I am not trolling. As I said, its a laughable premise and people that take themselves this seriously amuse me. And yes, I am sure someone who spends 6 hours a day in front of a computer is the very model of fitness. Again, binds make games easier, not harder or I wouldn't use them. More efficient is easier than having to do more for the same result, it is the definition of easy.  And did you just equate esport champions to "any other sport" .............................................................mind boggling

I'm sorry, Let me call webster's dictionary editor and tell them they got the definition of skilled wrong.

SKILL-The ability to do something well; expertise.    Keep trying to come up with your own definitions kid.

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by Epicent

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by Epicent

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by KingGator

I LOL for real just a little bit any time I see someone talking about "skill" in an mmo. Its a game, even if you're elite, you don't have a skill. You're just good at a game. People take this stuff waaaay too seriously. I love games but man I have never had an actual meaningful moment, or a moment that required true skill..........because.....it...is......a.....game that fat kids living in their mother's basement are probably the best in the world at.

So now you are arguing that "games" don't take skill?

 

Huh. Cool.

I know right. I have right around 30 keybinds in my current mmo but I guess thats just easy peasy. (Rolls eyes)

IT IS, that you don't get that is mind boggling to me, binds by definition are to make the game easier.

 

Again, if you can be good at something competitive while being 5ft2 300 lbs and living in your mother's basement it doesn't take skill.

Get over that stereotype. The best gamers in the world are skinny teenagers usually. Esports champions that make MONEY just like any other sport. And even if one were 5 ft (not sure what height has to do with it.) and 300 lbs AND lived in there mothers basement that would have absolutely no correlation AT ALL to the current discussion. Stop trolling the forums and get off if you aren't going to have a relevant discussion. And its harder to learn 30 different keybinds than click 30 different skills anyday. Notice I said harder to learn not more efficient.

I am not trolling. As I said, its a laughable premise and people that take themselves this seriously amuse me. And yes, I am sure someone who spends 6 hours a day in front of a computer is the very model of fitness. Again, binds make games easier, not harder or I wouldn't use them. More efficient is easier than having to do more for the same result, it is the definition of easy.  And did you just equate esport champions to "any other sport" .............................................................mind boggling

ABSOLUTELY.  The world is computer based now so computer related sports are growing.

I would laugh more at saying handball is superior to Starcraft for instance LOL.

"Yeah, I hit da ball with my hand at da wall.  I superior to eSport"

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by Epicent

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by Epicent

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by KingGator

I LOL for real just a little bit any time I see someone talking about "skill" in an mmo. Its a game, even if you're elite, you don't have a skill. You're just good at a game. People take this stuff waaaay too seriously. I love games but man I have never had an actual meaningful moment, or a moment that required true skill..........because.....it...is......a.....game that fat kids living in their mother's basement are probably the best in the world at.

So now you are arguing that "games" don't take skill?

 

Huh. Cool.

I know right. I have right around 30 keybinds in my current mmo but I guess thats just easy peasy. (Rolls eyes)

IT IS, that you don't get that is mind boggling to me, binds by definition are to make the game easier.

 

Again, if you can be good at something competitive while being 5ft2 300 lbs and living in your mother's basement it doesn't take skill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8EchclYj9c&feature=related  I rest my case with this video. YOU could never do that in a million years. If gaming weren't skill based then essentially every single person on the planet could do this at the same speed as this guy..............Not gonna happen friend.

le sigh, aight man firing a rifle in real life takes skill. Firing a rifle in game requires one pudgy finger to press one key., or god for bid one movement of the mouse. I use to box, that took skill, I use to play punch out at the arcade when I was a kid too, that didn't take skill.

yet again

skill-The ability to do something well; expertise.

But please, by all means, keep trying to change the meaning of the word.

Originally posted by Epicent

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by Epicent

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by Epicent

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by KingGator

I LOL for real just a little bit any time I see someone talking about "skill" in an mmo. Its a game, even if you're elite, you don't have a skill. You're just good at a game. People take this stuff waaaay too seriously. I love games but man I have never had an actual meaningful moment, or a moment that required true skill..........because.....it...is......a.....game that fat kids living in their mother's basement are probably the best in the world at.

So now you are arguing that "games" don't take skill?

 

Huh. Cool.

I know right. I have right around 30 keybinds in my current mmo but I guess thats just easy peasy. (Rolls eyes)

IT IS, that you don't get that is mind boggling to me, binds by definition are to make the game easier.

 

Again, if you can be good at something competitive while being 5ft2 300 lbs and living in your mother's basement it doesn't take skill.

Get over that stereotype. The best gamers in the world are skinny teenagers usually. Esports champions that make MONEY just like any other sport. And even if one were 5 ft (not sure what height has to do with it.) and 300 lbs AND lived in there mothers basement that would have absolutely no correlation AT ALL to the current discussion. Stop trolling the forums and get off if you aren't going to have a relevant discussion. And its harder to learn 30 different keybinds than click 30 different skills anyday. Notice I said harder to learn not more efficient.

I am not trolling. As I said, its a laughable premise and people that take themselves this seriously amuse me. And yes, I am sure someone who spends 6 hours a day in front of a computer is the very model of fitness. Again, binds make games easier, not harder or I wouldn't use them. More efficient is easier than having to do more for the same result, it is the definition of easy.  And did you just equate esport champions to "any other sport" .............................................................mind boggling

I'm sorry, Let me call webster's dictionary editor and tell them they got the definition of skilled wrong.

SKILL-The ability to do something well; expertise.    Keep trying to come up with your own definitions kid.

You are really invested in this. It really matters to you. I will stop now. I didn't mean to draw such an emotional response.

lawl<shakes head as he logs off>

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by Epicent

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by Epicent

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by Epicent

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by KingGator

I LOL for real just a little bit any time I see someone talking about "skill" in an mmo. Its a game, even if you're elite, you don't have a skill. You're just good at a game. People take this stuff waaaay too seriously. I love games but man I have never had an actual meaningful moment, or a moment that required true skill..........because.....it...is......a.....game that fat kids living in their mother's basement are probably the best in the world at.

So now you are arguing that "games" don't take skill?

 

Huh. Cool.

I know right. I have right around 30 keybinds in my current mmo but I guess thats just easy peasy. (Rolls eyes)

IT IS, that you don't get that is mind boggling to me, binds by definition are to make the game easier.

 

Again, if you can be good at something competitive while being 5ft2 300 lbs and living in your mother's basement it doesn't take skill.

Get over that stereotype. The best gamers in the world are skinny teenagers usually. Esports champions that make MONEY just like any other sport. And even if one were 5 ft (not sure what height has to do with it.) and 300 lbs AND lived in there mothers basement that would have absolutely no correlation AT ALL to the current discussion. Stop trolling the forums and get off if you aren't going to have a relevant discussion. And its harder to learn 30 different keybinds than click 30 different skills anyday. Notice I said harder to learn not more efficient.

I am not trolling. As I said, its a laughable premise and people that take themselves this seriously amuse me. And yes, I am sure someone who spends 6 hours a day in front of a computer is the very model of fitness. Again, binds make games easier, not harder or I wouldn't use them. More efficient is easier than having to do more for the same result, it is the definition of easy.  And did you just equate esport champions to "any other sport" .............................................................mind boggling

I'm sorry, Let me call webster's dictionary editor and tell them they got the definition of skilled wrong.

SKILL-The ability to do something well; expertise.    Keep trying to come up with your own definitions kid.

You are really invested in this. It really matters to you. I will stop now. I didn't mean to draw such an emotional response.

 

 

 

 

 

lawl

No, your just outgunned and there is not much you can say when you are trying to change the meaning of a word COMPLETELY and someone else calls you out on it.

Originally posted by byson123

Originally posted by Epicent

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by Epicent

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by Epicent

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by KingGator

I LOL for real just a little bit any time I see someone talking about "skill" in an mmo. Its a game, even if you're elite, you don't have a skill. You're just good at a game. People take this stuff waaaay too seriously. I love games but man I have never had an actual meaningful moment, or a moment that required true skill..........because.....it...is......a.....game that fat kids living in their mother's basement are probably the best in the world at.

So now you are arguing that "games" don't take skill?

 

Huh. Cool.

I know right. I have right around 30 keybinds in my current mmo but I guess thats just easy peasy. (Rolls eyes)

IT IS, that you don't get that is mind boggling to me, binds by definition are to make the game easier.

 

Again, if you can be good at something competitive while being 5ft2 300 lbs and living in your mother's basement it doesn't take skill.

Get over that stereotype. The best gamers in the world are skinny teenagers usually. Esports champions that make MONEY just like any other sport. And even if one were 5 ft (not sure what height has to do with it.) and 300 lbs AND lived in there mothers basement that would have absolutely no correlation AT ALL to the current discussion. Stop trolling the forums and get off if you aren't going to have a relevant discussion. And its harder to learn 30 different keybinds than click 30 different skills anyday. Notice I said harder to learn not more efficient.

I am not trolling. As I said, its a laughable premise and people that take themselves this seriously amuse me. And yes, I am sure someone who spends 6 hours a day in front of a computer is the very model of fitness. Again, binds make games easier, not harder or I wouldn't use them. More efficient is easier than having to do more for the same result, it is the definition of easy.  And did you just equate esport champions to "any other sport" .............................................................mind boggling

I'm sorry, Let me call webster's dictionary editor and tell them they got the definition of skilled wrong.

SKILL-The ability to do something well; expertise.    Keep trying to come up with your own definitions kid.

His answer did make me laugh a little lol. Typical unskilled guy trying to twist it around.

lol ^ +1

Why do I forsee a future where the 2 camps rage at each other constantly, the "skilled" players about the "non skilled" holding them back in pvp/pve, and the "unskilled" complaining about the attitude of the "skilled".

Then we will see calls for seperate servers, one where you need to pass some sort of "skill" trial before you can play on, that or pay a monthly fee to play on it, to keep all the "non skilled" out.

Originally posted by Talketzanto

Let me start off by saying im looking forward to a skill based game. No more hearing "you suck baddie, your geared out". But I was wondering how the unskilled population (probably 35%) would take the game.

Now everyone has been in a guild where you got a few unskilled players (downright horrible) in the guild at pvp. Of course you would never say that to them or hurt there feelings but you still think it. Well alot of them can still be commited to the game and work hard to get gear because they really want to be better but unfortunatly you can only learn so much "skill" the rest is pretty much flat out talent for games.  I feel like it does hurt those players alot because they are kinda stuck in that no mans land. At least if they got gear they could become almost average and contribute to a team and feel like they arn't as bad as they are (kinda a false sense of acheivement) but its going to be hard for them if they have no way getting better.

Whats everyone's thoughts on this? Will it force the "unskilled" players out of the game?

Not too long ago unskilled players were forced to become better. And you know what? Everyone can become better.

People with no patience might ragequit after 3 days but frankly have they little to do in the game anyways, or in fact in any MMO.

Learning to play better is not less rewarding or time consuming than farming better gear, it is not that different.

Originally posted by Epicent

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by Epicent

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by Epicent

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by Epicent

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by KingGator

I LOL for real just a little bit any time I see someone talking about "skill" in an mmo. Its a game, even if you're elite, you don't have a skill. You're just good at a game. People take this stuff waaaay too seriously. I love games but man I have never had an actual meaningful moment, or a moment that required true skill..........because.....it...is......a.....game that fat kids living in their mother's basement are probably the best in the world at.

So now you are arguing that "games" don't take skill?

 

Huh. Cool.

I know right. I have right around 30 keybinds in my current mmo but I guess thats just easy peasy. (Rolls eyes)

IT IS, that you don't get that is mind boggling to me, binds by definition are to make the game easier.

 

Again, if you can be good at something competitive while being 5ft2 300 lbs and living in your mother's basement it doesn't take skill.

Get over that stereotype. The best gamers in the world are skinny teenagers usually. Esports champions that make MONEY just like any other sport. And even if one were 5 ft (not sure what height has to do with it.) and 300 lbs AND lived in there mothers basement that would have absolutely no correlation AT ALL to the current discussion. Stop trolling the forums and get off if you aren't going to have a relevant discussion. And its harder to learn 30 different keybinds than click 30 different skills anyday. Notice I said harder to learn not more efficient.

I am not trolling. As I said, its a laughable premise and people that take themselves this seriously amuse me. And yes, I am sure someone who spends 6 hours a day in front of a computer is the very model of fitness. Again, binds make games easier, not harder or I wouldn't use them. More efficient is easier than having to do more for the same result, it is the definition of easy.  And did you just equate esport champions to "any other sport" .............................................................mind boggling

I'm sorry, Let me call webster's dictionary editor and tell them they got the definition of skilled wrong.

SKILL-The ability to do something well; expertise.    Keep trying to come up with your own definitions kid.

You are really invested in this. It really matters to you. I will stop now. I didn't mean to draw such an emotional response.

 

 

 

 

 

lawl

No, your just outgunned and there is not much you can say when you are trying to change the meaning of a word COMPLETELY and someone else calls you out on it.

I wonder what other areas of life somehow have no skill involved?  Is it only eSport?  How about cooking?  How about programming?  How about gardening?  How about physics?  How about basketball?  How about public speaking?

Fact is, everything in life takes skill including gaming.  To pretend otherwise is just, in my opinion, trying to soothe ones own ego.  If you aren't good at PVP gaming don't get all butt hurt about it.  Be a great gardener instead.  One of my tomato plants just died a couple days ago but am I going to pretend I had nothing to do with it?  Maybe I'm a fail gardener I can deal with it.  They need water I guess right LOL?

Originally posted by Derros

Why do I forsee a future where the 2 camps rage at each other constantly, the "skilled" players about the "non skilled" holding them back in pvp/pve, and the "unskilled" complaining about the attitude of the "skilled".

 

Then we will see calls for seperate servers, one where you need to pass some sort of "skill" trial before you can play on, that or pay a monthly fee to play on it, to keep all the "non skilled" out.

What a scary vision of a nerd dominated future. People should go outside moar.

Completely "unskilled" players will just stay away from PvP and harder PvE content, the same way they do now in other MMOs.

Those who benefit the most are the people who play well and understand the game, but don't have the time to grind gear.

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by Epicent

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by Epicent

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by Epicent

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by Epicent

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by KingGator

I LOL for real just a little bit any time I see someone talking about "skill" in an mmo. Its a game, even if you're elite, you don't have a skill. You're just good at a game. People take this stuff waaaay too seriously. I love games but man I have never had an actual meaningful moment, or a moment that required true skill..........because.....it...is......a.....game that fat kids living in their mother's basement are probably the best in the world at.

So now you are arguing that "games" don't take skill?

 

Huh. Cool.

I know right. I have right around 30 keybinds in my current mmo but I guess thats just easy peasy. (Rolls eyes)

IT IS, that you don't get that is mind boggling to me, binds by definition are to make the game easier.

 

Again, if you can be good at something competitive while being 5ft2 300 lbs and living in your mother's basement it doesn't take skill.

Get over that stereotype. The best gamers in the world are skinny teenagers usually. Esports champions that make MONEY just like any other sport. And even if one were 5 ft (not sure what height has to do with it.) and 300 lbs AND lived in there mothers basement that would have absolutely no correlation AT ALL to the current discussion. Stop trolling the forums and get off if you aren't going to have a relevant discussion. And its harder to learn 30 different keybinds than click 30 different skills anyday. Notice I said harder to learn not more efficient.

I am not trolling. As I said, its a laughable premise and people that take themselves this seriously amuse me. And yes, I am sure someone who spends 6 hours a day in front of a computer is the very model of fitness. Again, binds make games easier, not harder or I wouldn't use them. More efficient is easier than having to do more for the same result, it is the definition of easy.  And did you just equate esport champions to "any other sport" .............................................................mind boggling

I'm sorry, Let me call webster's dictionary editor and tell them they got the definition of skilled wrong.

SKILL-The ability to do something well; expertise.    Keep trying to come up with your own definitions kid.

You are really invested in this. It really matters to you. I will stop now. I didn't mean to draw such an emotional response.

 

 

 

 

 

lawl

No, your just outgunned and there is not much you can say when you are trying to change the meaning of a word COMPLETELY and someone else calls you out on it.

I wonder what other areas of life somehow have no skill involved?  Is it only eSport?  How about cooking?  How about programming?  How about gardening?  How about physics?  How about basketball?  How about public speaking?

Fact is, everything in life takes skill including gaming.  To pretend otherwise is just, in my opinion, trying to soothe ones own ego.  If you aren't good at PVP gaming don't get all butt hurt about it.  Be a great gardener instead.  One of my tomato plants just died a couple days ago but am I going to pretend I had nothing to do with it?  Maybe I'm a fail gardener I can deal with it.  They need water I guess right LOL?

I am actually pretty good at pvp games so that isn't my problem. And yes, I use keybinds and mouse turn, but that just doesn't feel like a skill to me. A skill to me is something worth aquiring. Being good at a video game is just something I do for fun. People that get so wrapped up in these games must not be very good at much else and thus substitute for real life. I guess its because when you say/type the word skill my mind conjures images of things that are of value to be good at. The fact that the term "esport" exist is some sort of nerd bizzaro world take over to me.

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by Derros

Why do I forsee a future where the 2 camps rage at each other constantly, the "skilled" players about the "non skilled" holding them back in pvp/pve, and the "unskilled" complaining about the attitude of the "skilled".

 

Then we will see calls for seperate servers, one where you need to pass some sort of "skill" trial before you can play on, that or pay a monthly fee to play on it, to keep all the "non skilled" out.

What a scary vision of a nerd dominated future. People should go outside moar.

I think you mean more. And yes, it is a nerd dominated future. One only has to look at how fast technology evolves as compared to other technologies and what is popular with the younger generation. Since you love to stereotype friend, wouldn't a nerd dominated future be a good think since they are so much smarter than anyone else. Oh wait, I'm sorry, I don't stereotype like you as I am not 10 and know damned well that the world isn't so black and white.

I am not the best player in the world, but I would say I am well above average in most games. Personally, I am growing tired of the gear treadmills and carrots on sticks. I want to be challenged again. I hope GW2 can do that. Also, it is great to know that skill will be the determining factor in most situations. Be that in dungeons or PvP.

I no longer have to look at another player and make excuses like "oh, look at his gear" or other jealous thoughts. I can just play and improve. It is just like SCII or a shooter. If you are getting owned, it is because you are getting outplayed.

Recently I have started getting more competitive and into the more action oriented games, like Firefall for instance. It is really pulling me in like other game types have failed to do for a long time. Finally, I can play something where my skill matters, and not just how much time I wasted to get certain gear. Or how my 40 person guild dragged me through content that I couldn't complete any other way.

I will be so glad to see the days of retards in "epic lootz" pulling 1/5 of the DPS as someone in much lower gear. Throw the crutch out and let the real gamers game. If you can't hack it, then get better, don't participate, or just quit completely. I am definitely too old to get back into competitive gaming, but I still really enjoy competing and trying to become a better player myself.

I am just glad GW2 is going to offer that opportunity. There will be no gear excuses. It will all be about team play, builds, knowledge and skill. I can't wait.

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

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Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by Epicent

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by Epicent

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by Epicent

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by KingGator

I LOL for real just a little bit any time I see someone talking about "skill" in an mmo. Its a game, even if you're elite, you don't have a skill. You're just good at a game. People take this stuff waaaay too seriously. I love games but man I have never had an actual meaningful moment, or a moment that required true skill..........because.....it...is......a.....game that fat kids living in their mother's basement are probably the best in the world at.

So now you are arguing that "games" don't take skill?

 

Huh. Cool.

I know right. I have right around 30 keybinds in my current mmo but I guess thats just easy peasy. (Rolls eyes)

IT IS, that you don't get that is mind boggling to me, binds by definition are to make the game easier.

 

Again, if you can be good at something competitive while being 5ft2 300 lbs and living in your mother's basement it doesn't take skill.

Get over that stereotype. The best gamers in the world are skinny teenagers usually. Esports champions that make MONEY just like any other sport. And even if one were 5 ft (not sure what height has to do with it.) and 300 lbs AND lived in there mothers basement that would have absolutely no correlation AT ALL to the current discussion. Stop trolling the forums and get off if you aren't going to have a relevant discussion. And its harder to learn 30 different keybinds than click 30 different skills anyday. Notice I said harder to learn not more efficient.

I am not trolling. As I said, its a laughable premise and people that take themselves this seriously amuse me. And yes, I am sure someone who spends 6 hours a day in front of a computer is the very model of fitness. Again, binds make games easier, not harder or I wouldn't use them. More efficient is easier than having to do more for the same result, it is the definition of easy.  And did you just equate esport champions to "any other sport" .............................................................mind boggling

I'm sorry, Let me call webster's dictionary editor and tell them they got the definition of skilled wrong.

SKILL-The ability to do something well; expertise.    Keep trying to come up with your own definitions kid.

You are really invested in this. It really matters to you. I will stop now. I didn't mean to draw such an emotional response.

 

 

 

 

 

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No, your just outgunned and there is not much you can say when you are trying to change the meaning of a word COMPLETELY and someone else calls you out on it.

I wonder what other areas of life somehow have no skill involved?  Is it only eSport?  How about cooking?  How about programming?  How about gardening?  How about physics?  How about basketball?  How about public speaking?

Fact is, everything in life takes skill including gaming.  To pretend otherwise is just, in my opinion, trying to soothe ones own ego.  If you aren't good at PVP gaming don't get all butt hurt about it.  Be a great gardener instead.  One of my tomato plants just died a couple days ago but am I going to pretend I had nothing to do with it?  Maybe I'm a fail gardener I can deal with it.  They need water I guess right LOL?

I am actually pretty good at pvp games so that isn't my problem. And yes, I use keybinds and mouse turn, but that just doesn't feel like a skill to me. A skill to me is something worth aquiring. Being good at a video game is just something I do for fun. People that get so wrapped up in these games must not be very good at much else and thus substitute for real life. I guess its because when you say/type the word skill my mind conjures images of things that are of value to be good at. The fact that the term "esport" exist is some sort of nerd bizzaro world take over to me.

The definition says NOTHING about skill being something worth acquiring. You could have the ability to urinate faster than any other man on the planet and, while that has no use in society to my knowledge, according to the definition of the word skill, you are the most skilled person at urinating quickly. Your in over your head and you are letting your emotions dictate the meanings of words. The dictionary won't be rewritten for you friend. Sorry.

Originally posted by KingGator

I am actually pretty good at pvp games so that isn't my problem. And yes, I use keybinds and mouse turn, but that just doesn't feel like a skill to me. A skill to me is something worth aquiring. Being good at a video game is just something I do for fun. People that get so wrapped up in these games must not be very good at much else and thus substitute for real life. I guess its because when you say/type the word skill my mind conjures images of things that are of value to be good at. The fact that the term "esport" exist is some sort of nerd bizzaro world take over to me.

Well you could have avoided this whole discussion if you just said you don't think gaming is a very important skill.  You are right, it isn't.  Neither is basketball.  Neither is sewing.  Neither is a whole lot of things in life that people enjoy doing.

You are trying to act like the noble one but what you are really doing is putting down somebody else's hobby.  Just like if you told me you liked to fish and I said "Pah fishing is such a waste of time.  Why trying to get better at it.  Go do something useful like helping the homeless"

Let people have their hobbies, and let people try to get better at them without pretending you somehow have the secrets of the world and happiness.