1. SWG pre cu- even after they fixed the NGE to have it playable again.

2, DAoC - Many hours of farming with groups and pvp kept me entertained for years.

3. EQ2 - Been playing off and on since release.

4. TSW -  I know this just released, but it has been a LONG time since I actually want to play a new mmorpg past the first month, it is something different, and I love it.

5. Phantasy Star Online (dreamcast) - and now can't wait until PS2 comes to NA!

Originally posted by ShakyMo
Not true, they hired the likes of chilton and kaplan a year after release.

But at release it wasn't much better. It was always a fairly mediocre game feature wise. It's the only MMO I can think of that never contributed an original idea to the genre.

Originally posted by Garvon3

Originally posted by dlld

Depends on what you define "best" as, WoW was definitely the best around when it released but it's not the best now.. so if we go off current feelings

Whaaa? How was it the best around? It didn't do anything better than other MMOs at the time, and considerably worse in many areas.

So then you think GW2 is the best mmo? Many people seemingly disagree so why aren't you targeting their posts/lists too?

Makes no sense..

in no order because i just cant : FFXI , WoW , Daoc , Eq/Eqoa / Eq2 (up to EoF ><) . Hoping for FFXIV 2.0 and of course gw2 :3

Originally posted by dlld

Originally posted by Garvon3

Originally posted by dlld

Depends on what you define "best" as, WoW was definitely the best around when it released but it's not the best now.. so if we go off current feelings

Whaaa? How was it the best around? It didn't do anything better than other MMOs at the time, and considerably worse in many areas.

So then you think GW2 is the best mmo? Many people seemingly disagree so why aren't you targeting their posts/lists too?

Makes no sense..

How does thinking WoW below average when it launched equate to me liking GW2? I disagree with anyone that overglorifies "vanilla WoW" as when it launched, it had no features that made it stand out.

Originally posted by Garvon3

Originally posted by ShakyMo
Not true, they hired the likes of chilton and kaplan a year after release.

But at release it wasn't much better. It was always a fairly mediocre game feature wise. It's the only MMO I can think of that never contributed an original idea to the genre.

Solo-centric leveling?

Dungeon fiinder?

These are two of the biggest game-changers the genre has ever seen.

Both mostly negative, unfortunately.

I dont remember battlegrounds being in MMRPGs before WoW either, but I was never a big PvPer.

Phasing as well

and if you are only talking about launch, than only solo centric levelling applies.  Thats one more new concept than Rift introduced though.

Originally posted by Sebber

Originally posted by Cantorage

I was interested in GW2 but next to TSW it's an absolute turd. Really feels like a F2P in comparison.

Here is your score for the "god" game TSW 72/100.

Thats the "professional" reviewer score.  User score is 8.6.  Which of those two do most people take more seriously?

Edit: NM.  I see that Sebber is a GW2 fan.  Explains a lot of his negative responses to TSW in this and many other threads.

Originally posted by teakbois

Originally posted by Garvon3

Originally posted by ShakyMo
Not true, they hired the likes of chilton and kaplan a year after release.

But at release it wasn't much better. It was always a fairly mediocre game feature wise. It's the only MMO I can think of that never contributed an original idea to the genre.

Solo-centric leveling? Had been in many MMOs up to that point, not necessarily a good thing.

Dungeon fiinder? Was From other, smaller MMOs as well.

These are two of the biggest game-changers the genre has ever seen.

Both mostly negative, unfortunately.

I dont remember battlegrounds being in MMRPGs before WoW either, but I was never a big PvPer. Dark Age of Camelot

Phasing as well Phasing is just instancing, and it was in LotRO in the same way, they just didn't call it phasing.

 

and if you are only talking about launch, than only solo centric levelling applies.  Thats one more new concept than Rift introduced though.

Rift and WoW are both creatively bankrupt.

Lineage 2, DAoC, EQ, Darkfall & Shadowbane.

Originally posted by Garvon3

Originally posted by teakbois

Originally posted by Garvon3

Originally posted by ShakyMo
Not true, they hired the likes of chilton and kaplan a year after release.

But at release it wasn't much better. It was always a fairly mediocre game feature wise. It's the only MMO I can think of that never contributed an original idea to the genre.

Solo-centric leveling? Had been in many MMOs up to that point, not necessarily a good thing.

Dungeon fiinder? Was From other, smaller MMOs as well.

These are two of the biggest game-changers the genre has ever seen.

Both mostly negative, unfortunately.

I dont remember battlegrounds being in MMRPGs before WoW either, but I was never a big PvPer. Dark Age of Camelot

Phasing as well Phasing is just instancing, and it was in LotRO in the same way, they just didn't call it phasing.

 

and if you are only talking about launch, than only solo centric levelling applies.  Thats one more new concept than Rift introduced though.

Rift and WoW are both creatively bankrupt.

WoW was the first MMO I played where soloing was more efficient than grouping, but I agree, not a good thing.

DAoC BGs were persistent zones, were they not?  WoWs BGs are minigames.  Different concept.

Phasing isnt quite instancing.  If anything its an upgrade of sorts because its seamless the way its done in WoW.

And even if other games had a dungeon finder (I have no idea which ones), was it cross realm?

1. Dark Age of Camelot. No game has came close, or will ever come as close to this one. The Realm Vs Realm combat still holds the standards to every game that I play. The community was the best I've ever been a part of in any game. If only they could make DAoC 2.

2. World of Warcraft (Vanilla).  All of the old original zones, no flying mounts, the old pvp grinds, those were the days of that game.

3. Fallen Earth. As close to playing Mad Max as there is.

I've played a lot of other mmo's, but none of the others would make a top 5 list.

my personal top 5

1. Asheron's Call

2. EverQuest

3. Ultima Online

4. Dark Age of Camelot

5. Guild Wars 2

Originally posted by Sebber

Originally posted by Cantorage

I was interested in GW2 but next to TSW it's an absolute turd. Really feels like a F2P in comparison.

Here is your score for the "god" game TSW 72/100.

Guess you "forgot" the user rating at 8,4

Or the user rating in mmorpg for that matter with 8,76 .. any higher? No didnt think so..

My 5 favs:

Mabinogi

Final Fantasy 11

WoW

Dungeons & Dragons Online

Rift right after release before updates ruined ranger class (as usual)

Based off of enjoyment alone

1. SWTOR

2. DCUO

3. AOC

4. Champions Online

5. TSW

TSW is really fun and ill stick with it as my number 2 mmo for a bit but nothing beats SWTOR for me. I have never had so much fun in an mmo as I still do in that game.

For me,

Ultima Online

Dark Age of Camelot

Everquest

EVE Online

World of Warcraft

Not really in that order or anything. I had a tough time between wow and swg, but it's hard to ignore that wow took the themepark to another level. Oh and I never played Asheron's Call so I can't really comment on that one.

1. GW2

2. WoW

3. TSW

4. GW1

5. Mabinogi

Originally posted by Einherjar_LC

1. Tied for first are Ultima Online and Asherons Call 

3. SWG pre-NGE/CU

4. Anarchy Oline

5. For newer games I have to give a spot to Rift.

 

Looking at the top 5's of many here, I don't have a lot of hope the future of the genre will be any better than it is now.

 

And yeah...get off my lawn!

 

 

 

 

Well put.

Largely agree myself, but I'd personally place Guild Wars 2 above The Secret World. TSW is a good game and I hope to play it through at some point, but I don't feel it has the longevity potential, polish, feeling of being "home", or fun combat that Guild Wars 2 has.