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General Discussion  » Why Guild Wars 2 WILL be an EXTREMELY successful MMORPG

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  Doomedfox

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7/11/12 5:39:51 AM#61
Originally posted by Raekon
Originally posted by Doomedfox
Originally posted by seridan
Originally posted by Maitrader

GW2 is bland, and whimsical at best. but if it floats your boat, right on.

I wouldn't call bland the best questing in an MMO to date

 

GW2 will be a big success i don't think anyone could doubt that it caters to the masses that enjoy MMOs nowadays and does not have a monthly sub so i don't see a reason why it would not be a big success.

The game is easy enough to not frustrate the masses and the few who would welcome a challenge have the big pvp part to go wild.

It also seems as if everyone is willing to just forgive or ignore anything that is not too good about the game like the Questing

For some reasons ppl like Seridan really believe it is the best questing i for one found the quests horrible the Heart quests hub areas (and it is nothing but a quest hub) had some of the most boring and repetitive quests i ever had to play in an MMO i mean seriously how often can you have a quest where you feed an animal or click on a trap or just gather items and bring them to a npc that certainly is not the best questing in an MMO to date even less so since there is not even a good story to motivate you to do this repetitive tasks.

That so many are willing to not only forgive this bad quests hubs but go as far as praise it the best ever only further shows that the game will be a big hit i for one am looking forward for some pvp from time to time i don't think there is any MMO out right now that can offer a similar pvp experience but the bad graphic quality (not art style thats beautiful tho) and the slow feeling of combat will stop me from using it anymore than as a game ill pick up from time to time.

But thats ok since there are no monthly subs so its perfect for that and will be able to entertain me for as long till one of the better game manages to deliver a similar pvp experience and that could take some time lol.

Actually you can:

- do anything you want after the tutorial (no linear hand holding)

- the heart quests are repeatable quests you can do if you want to do them

- you can level up alone by exploring the areas, finding interesting points or hidden areas

- you can immediately jump into the WvsWvsW pvp as a level 2 after the tutorial and only level up there till 80

- you can just participate in dynamic events and enjoy the details and aftermaths of them that many unfortunately overlooking by leaving too early, missing follow ups or just nice details like the NPC going to the town and talking about your heroic battles (or similar)

Crafting, World Events, Skill Quests, mindless mob hunting if you choose to do so for yourself and many other things you can do without being forced to but rather by your own choice.

I am aware of that but how does it change the fact that the quests are boring and repetitive?

You are not also gonna tell me now that i can ignore the boring quests therefore they are good...or are you?

  seridan

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7/11/12 5:43:06 AM#62
Originally posted by Doomedfox

Oh you mean like Rift and the Invasions where everyone was joining public pts and really felt like they were fighting together where ppls talked to each other to get the tanks healers CC and so on set up that kind of multilayer experience?

Nope, there is no trinity so there is no need for tanks or healers. And the DEs are nothing like Invasions, they have a proper plot storyline, they are branching and they have different states / outcomes. Unlike Invasions they don't  just "repeat" on a timer, they depend on player action, much like in all MMOs someone has to do the talking/interraction, but afterwards everyone join in the fun instead of having to do all the talking all over again like in a single player game.

Yeah thats great and i love it just zerging without communication like in GW2 (at least thats how it went down so far) is not that great.

No communication = death in lots of Dynamic Events. Once they all scale properly (currently some don't) they will be challenging with any number of people as they should - like the Champion Svanir Marauder. Proper rezzing/buffing/positions is key.

Also i do not understand how the fact that i can ignore the boring quests hubs make them being good?

The renown hearts are there to orient people, once near one you can "fill" a heart by doing different kind of jobs there, instead of following a pre-arranged storyline, kill x, fetch y, talk to z etc, you have lots of choice in HOW to complete the hearts and progress your story, unlike in other MMOs where you have to finish quests in boring tiers (or prerequisities). Also the hearts are meant as guidance to where new events will begin and can be easily filled by participating in DEs. If you don't like all the tasks in a heart you can still "fill" it by participating in a nearby event.

The DE are somewhat fun and if you have them pop up while you feed cows its a nice change but all they are (most of them it seems at least) is a few troops attacking or 1 bigger mob attacking and the players just zerg them down.

You didn't actually participate in many DEs right? Your experience appears to be very very limited. There are DEs where you have to protect an area, protect NPCs, gather items and of course kill mobs. The key here is that they don't spawn/appear randomly, there is always a story behind it, you just have to actually search for it, there are no silly quest markers to hand-hold players. If you don't like exploration/searching for events then yes you won't like the "quests" in the game. If you like the exploration and the you enjoy finding new people to interract with, that start events then it is the best.

I am sure you could say now again that i could just ignore them and only do the better DE (and i know there are a few more interesting one) but what is left if i have to ignore most of the quests and DE just because they are not that good....i just have a hard time labeling something as the best if there is so much that is just terrible the fact that i can ignore these quests and only do the better ones do not matter at all.

What is "terrible"? If a particular task in a heart is not to your liking avoid it and do some of the other tasks, if there is nothing to suit you, participate in the DEs around, there is something for everyone everywhere.

Btw i think you did not play too many MMOs if you really believe that GW2 is the only one which allows you to choose how to lvl as a matter of fact you can always choose in MMOs how to lvl up (most of them anyway FF11 would be hard to lvl without grinding in pts) do quests or pvp just grind or maybe even lvl just by crafting you always had choices they may not have been the best ways but you always were able to pick.

I played lots of MMOs, including L2, Aion, TSW, War, Lotro, DDO, SWTOR and others and no I found their questing lacking compared to GW2. They were either requiring to much worthless grinding or the quests were single player experiences, nothing multiplayer about them.

I do not try to say GW2 is a bad game i can see how its so appealing for the masses and i honestly wish it to become a huge success but i will not just blindly praise everything about it just because. Thats not happening, if you truly believe that GW2 quests are awesome than thats cool like i pointed out in my earlier post that is part of why the game will become a huge success. But for me it is how it is if you go down to the core the quests are some of the most boring ever.

Well I found quests in all the above games I mentioned/played to be a lot more boring than the quests in Guild Wars 2, I never felt like I was "there" playing them, immersion was near the bottom.

That is of course only my opinion and i do not try to tell you i am right or wrong..... of course i do believe i am right tho lol 

Well for people who want a single player MMO experience GW2 might not have the best questing around, although if you actually want to find out WHY everything is happening around you it is again the best. There is always a reason for everything happening, be it a centaur attack or a bear "invasion", they are not random Invasions, there is always a back story, if you take your time to actually find it and interract with the npcs you will realize what's so great about questing in Guild Wars 2. IF you just stay there and wait for the events to unfold around you, as if they are on a set timer or something then no you won't enjoy it.

 

Block the trolls, don't answer them, so we can remove the garbage from these forums

  OldManFunk

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Joined: 4/29/06
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7/11/12 5:43:50 AM#63
Originally posted by Doomedfox

Oh you mean like Rift and the Invasions where everyone was joining public pts and really felt like they were fighting together where ppls talked to each other to get the tanks healers CC and so on set up that kind of multilayer experience?

Yeah thats great and i love it just zerging without communication like in GW2 (at least thats how it went down so far) is not that great.

I've only played Rift for about a 14 months so maybe I don't know as much about that game as you do but from the little that I've seen Rift invasions don't require any coordination, communication or crowd control at all, ever. Sometimes, when there aren't enough DPS to take turns dying it can help to have a tank and healer, but there's certainly no coordination or communication required.

If it felt like there was less communication in GW2 than in Rift while "zerging" bosses then it's probably because in GW2 you have to pay attention to what's going on and use your skills/dodge at the right moments to avoid being killed... which makes it hard to chat during fights. In Rift, however, you've got plenty of time to chat as you macro through your rotation, so I could see why it might seem like you're coordinating when people say things like "someone tank this" and "someone heal me".

  sapheroith

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Joined: 3/21/12
Posts: 122

7/11/12 5:45:37 AM#64
Originally posted by Doomedfox
 

I am aware of that but how does it change the fact that the quests are boring and repetitive?

You are not also gonna tell me now that i can ignore the boring quests therefore they are good...or are you?

I hope the boring quests you are saying, are the hearts quests, otherwise you are just been ignorant.

And yes, you can complete ignore them, its totally optional.

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  OldManFunk

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7/11/12 5:50:38 AM#65
Originally posted by Doomedfox
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 I am aware of that but how does it change the fact that the quests are boring and repetitive?

You are not also gonna tell me now that i can ignore the boring quests therefore they are good...or are you?

 

Help us help you.

 

You say that GW2 quests are boring and repetitive. Give us some examples of GW2 quests that you found boring and repetitive as well as quests from any other MMO that you enjoyed... unless you were just stopping by to tell us you hate MMOs and GW2 is a MMO, in which case that's fine, it just wasn't very clear from your posts.

  Doomedfox

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Joined: 4/01/10
Posts: 697

7/11/12 6:04:17 AM#66
Originally posted by seridan
Originally posted by Doomedfox

Oh you mean like Rift and the Invasions where everyone was joining public pts and really felt like they were fighting together where ppls talked to each other to get the tanks healers CC and so on set up that kind of multilayer experience?

Nope, there is no trinity so there is no need for tanks or healers. And the DEs are nothing like Invasions, they have a proper plot storyline, they are branching and they have different states / outcomes. Unlike Invasions they don't  just "repeat" on a timer, they depend on player action, much like in all MMOs someone has to do the talking/interraction, but afterwards everyone join in the fun instead of having to do all the talking all over again like in a single player game.

Yeah thats great and i love it just zerging without communication like in GW2 (at least thats how it went down so far) is not that great.

No communication = death in lots of Dynamic Events. Once they all scale properly (currently some don't) they will be challenging with any number of people as they should - like the Champion Svanir Marauder. Proper rezzing/buffing/positions is key.

Also i do not understand how the fact that i can ignore the boring quests hubs make them being good?

The renown hearts are there to orient people, once near one you can "fill" a heart by doing different kind of jobs there, instead of following a pre-arranged storyline, kill x, fetch y, talk to z etc, you have lots of choice in HOW to complete the hearts and progress your story, unlike in other MMOs where you have to finish quests in boring tiers (or prerequisities). Also the hearts are meant as guidance to where new events will begin and can be easily filled by participating in DEs. If you don't like all the tasks in a heart you can still "fill" it by participating in a nearby event.

The DE are somewhat fun and if you have them pop up while you feed cows its a nice change but all they are (most of them it seems at least) is a few troops attacking or 1 bigger mob attacking and the players just zerg them down.

You didn't actually participate in any DEs right? Your experience appears to be very very limited. There are DEs where you have to protect an area, protect NPCs, gather items and of course kill mobs. The key here is that they don't spawn/appear randomly, there is always a story behind it, you just have to actually search for it, there are no silly quest markers to hand-hold players. If you don't like exploration/searching for events then yes you won't like the "quests" in the game. If you like the exploration and the you enjoy finding new people to interract with, that start events then it is the best.

I am sure you could say now again that i could just ignore them and only do the better DE (and i know there are a few more interesting one) but what is left if i have to ignore most of the quests and DE just because they are not that good....i just have a hard time labeling something as the best if there is so much that is just terrible the fact that i can ignore these quests and only do the better ones do not matter at all.

What is "terrible"? If a particular task in a heart is not to your liking avoid it and do some of the other tasks, if there is nothing to suit you, participate in the DEs around, there is something for everyone everywhere.

Btw i think you did not play too many MMOs if you really believe that GW2 is the only one which allows you to choose how to lvl as a matter of fact you can always choose in MMOs how to lvl up (most of them anyway FF11 would be hard to lvl without grinding in pts) do quests or pvp just grind or maybe even lvl just by crafting you always had choices they may not have been the best ways but you always were able to pick.

I played lots of MMOs, including L2, Aion, TSW, War, Lotro, DDO, SWTOR and others and no I found their questing lacking compared to GW2. They were either requiring to much worthless grinding or the quests were single player experiences, nothing multiplayer about them.

I do not try to say GW2 is a bad game i can see how its so appealing for the masses and i honestly wish it to become a huge success but i will not just blindly praise everything about it just because. Thats not happening, if you truly believe that GW2 quests are awesome than thats cool like i pointed out in my earlier post that is part of why the game will become a huge success. But for me it is how it is if you go down to the core the quests are some of the most boring ever.

Well I found quests in all the above games I mentioned/played to be a lot more boring than the quests in Guild Wars 2, I never felt like I was "there" playing them, immersion was near the bottom.

That is of course only my opinion and i do not try to tell you i am right or wrong..... of course i do believe i am right tho lol 

Well for people who want a single player MMO experience GW2 might not have the best questing around, although if you actually want to find out WHY everything is happening around you it is again the best. There is always a reason for everything happening, be it a centaur attack or a bear "invasion", they are not random Invasions, there is always a back story, if you take your time to actually find it and interract with the npcs you will realize what's so great about questing in Guild Wars 2. IF you just stay there and wait for the events to unfold around you, as if they are on a set timer or something then no you won't enjoy it.

 

 

Like i said everyone has a right of there own opinion none of the points you provided actually had anything to do with my claim that the quests are boring.

You are right i should have mentioned the escort DE quests as well but escort quests are so normal that i did not think i would have to mention that as a DE but oh well i was wrong.

I also said that i know there are some better DE events but only a few out of the whole lot does not cut it for me i still would label the overall quests experience as very poor and maybe in higher lvls all the DE are a stroke of genius and best there ever was but if i am bored out of my mind in the beginning already chances are ill never see them.

About other MMOs you really wanna tell me that you see more need to pt up in GW2 to feet the animals than you did in any of the other games you mentioned to do the quests or that the quests in SWTOR or TSW were lacking compared to the heart quest areas?

Here i was thinking we had a serious discussion but i suppose i was wrong.

As for your single player comment i did not feel the need to pt up for any of the quests so far in GW2 while in other games i played i was used to pt up all the time so yeah,,,,and for me to want to find out why everything is happening around me i would need a good story but this laughable cs with the very bad voice overs really did not help in that regards if not for the books i read before playing i would have given up on the story already.

Again i do not say GW2 is a bad game i just find it ridiculous that it gets praises for some of the most boring quests ever in MMOs. You are obviously madly in love with the game and will praise just about everything and thats cool i am happy for you that you found a game where you are willing to just love it and ignore the flaws and i hope it will bring you years of fun.

I had the same hopes for GW2 but after playing it i was massively bored and had to force myself to keep playing.(even tho The citys were stunning)

  Doomedfox

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7/11/12 6:14:56 AM#67
Originally posted by OldManFunk
Originally posted by Doomedfox
 I am aware of that but how does it change the fact that the quests are boring and repetitive?

You are not also gonna tell me now that i can ignore the boring quests therefore they are good...or are you?

 

Help us help you.

 

You say that GW2 quests are boring and repetitive. Give us some examples of GW2 quests that you found boring and repetitive as well as quests from any other MMO that you enjoyed... unless you were just stopping by to tell us you hate MMOs and GW2 is a MMO, in which case that's fine, it just wasn't very clear from your posts.

 

I did that already i mentioned the quests in my first post.

I am not the one in need of help here i do see the Feeding the Cow, feeding the Bear ,collecting eggs, collecting apples, opening traps over and over again for what they are boring and repetitive quests.

What you feed changes what you collect changes and what you click on changes (traps piles of earth etc) but the quest does not.

I did enjoy quests in FF11 some SWTOR quest were fun too WAR quests were somewhat fun TSW quest are awesome but in the end its all the same just in better wrapping sometimes. However i never had to go from Feeding cows to collecting apples to opening traps rinse repeat and you do that over and over again till the heart is full that is prolly the part which makes it so bad its the worst kind of quest grind  (i know i can ignore them but i  only would have to do so course they are boring right?) 

 

So again it really is not me who needs help here....

  Meowhead

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7/11/12 6:15:38 AM#68
Originally posted by Doomedfox

I had the same hopes for GW2 but after playing it i was massively bored and had to force myself to keep playing.(even tho The citys were stunning)

 You've been down on GW2 since long before you ever played it.

Your complaints haven't changed at all.  Sorry, you're not a reverse convert (Person who liked GW2 but playing it made you decide otherwise), you've been down on it before, now you played it, still down on it.

So... nothing changed.  Don't try to make it sound like playing it made you change your mind.  It's disingenuous.  I'm not going to go around posting how I hated GW2 until I played the beta and suddenly I love it.  Just be honest.  You never had high hopes for it, your complaints after playing it are almost identical to your complaints before playing it.  It's not like you're some incredibly open minded person who was let down.  Which is fine!  You can decide to not like something ahead of time, but it does totally change the tone of your posts when people realize that.

  seridan

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7/11/12 6:16:49 AM#69
Originally posted by Doomedfox

 

Like i said everyone has a right of there own opinion none of the points you provided actually had anything to do with my claim that the quests are boring.

And you didn't explain why they are boring and which MMO has non-boring quests. I didn't find them boring in GW2 but I found boring the quests in other games

I also said that i know there are some better DE events but only a few out of the whole lot does not cut it for me i still would label the overall quests experience as very poor and maybe in higher lvls all the DE are a stroke of genius and best there ever was but if i am bored out of my mind in the beginning already chances are ill never see them.

DEs even at the begining are interesting what are you talking about?

About other MMOs you really wanna tell me that you see more need to pt up in GW2 to feet the animals than you did in any of the other games you mentioned to do the quests or that the quests in SWTOR or TSW were lacking compared to the heart quest areas?

Here i was thinking we had a serious discussion but i suppose i was wrong.

TSW / SWTOR quests are seriously lacking compared to GW2, they lack immersion and "multiplayer". How fun is it to do a quest that everyone else does? How fun is to find a "usable" item that you can't use because you don't have the quest. How fun is it to kill a boss mob, or ANY mob, and get 0 credit because you weren't on the proper tier/quest chain part? How fun is it to have to kill 5 of x, then 5 of y then 5 of z instead of killing any variety of xyz you want? I don't see how anyone can compare boring/single player TSW-SWTOR and GW2 I was thinking we had a serious discussion but I suppose I was wrong.

As for your single player comment i did not feel the need to pt up for any of the quests so far in GW2 while in other games i played i was used to pt up all the time so yeah,,,,and for me to want to find out why everything is happening around me i would need a good story but this laughable cs with the very bad voice overs really did not help in that regards if not for the books i read before playing i would have given up on the story already.

You didn't feel the need to party but you participated in Dynamic Events. Events you couldn't complete without cooperating with others in the first place. Maybe you didn't notice but you are always in a party in GW2 while in other games you party up for specific content only.... silly elite mobs anyone?

I don't get why you say there is no good story, if you didn't search for it in the first place how can you say the story isn't good? Maybe you don't like the fact that you don't have to read walls of text in order to proceed but questing/story comes naturaly. That's your problem, not GW2

Again i do not say GW2 is a bad game i just find it ridiculous that it gets praises for some of the most boring quests ever in MMOs. You are obviously madly in love with the game and will praise just about everything and thats cool i am happy for you that you found a game where you are willing to just love it and ignore the flaws and i hope it will bring you years of fun.

As I said before, you are one of those who want hand-holding, walls of text for quests, and boring TIERS in the quests. I want the quests to come naturally to me, while I explore, when I interract with people. You wait for them to come to you. GW2 is perfect for me, it's not for you. That's the difference

 

Block the trolls, don't answer them, so we can remove the garbage from these forums

  User Deleted
7/11/12 6:24:17 AM#70

This might be the LAST good game of this decade =)

  Xin1

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7/11/12 6:25:29 AM#71

At first i wasn't planning on playing GW2.  I was looking forward to play SWTOR.  Unfortunately i was burned quite fast as i played to many of these linear questing games.  I got the chance to play a GW2 beta and was sold after a hour of exploring.  The setting, the atmosphere, the player activity, everything was just right.  Finally a game where i breath again and go and whatever i feel like doing. Time to get this exploration feeling again i have lost for so many years. 

I think it's by far the best value for money our there for any game.  The hours you will get to play this game vs the money spent i think it could only have some compitition from popular FPS (Battelfield 3 for example), but then again it's a total diffent genre.  I don't think the game will hype down fast as it is so cheap to pick up.  Looking forward to august 25!

  Raekon

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7/11/12 6:28:30 AM#72
Originally posted by Doomedfox
Originally posted by Raekon
Originally posted by Doomedfox
Originally posted by seridan
Originally posted by Maitrader

GW2 is bland, and whimsical at best. but if it floats your boat, right on.

I wouldn't call bland the best questing in an MMO to date

 

GW2 will be a big success i don't think anyone could doubt that it caters to the masses that enjoy MMOs nowadays and does not have a monthly sub so i don't see a reason why it would not be a big success.

The game is easy enough to not frustrate the masses and the few who would welcome a challenge have the big pvp part to go wild.

It also seems as if everyone is willing to just forgive or ignore anything that is not too good about the game like the Questing

For some reasons ppl like Seridan really believe it is the best questing i for one found the quests horrible the Heart quests hub areas (and it is nothing but a quest hub) had some of the most boring and repetitive quests i ever had to play in an MMO i mean seriously how often can you have a quest where you feed an animal or click on a trap or just gather items and bring them to a npc that certainly is not the best questing in an MMO to date even less so since there is not even a good story to motivate you to do this repetitive tasks.

That so many are willing to not only forgive this bad quests hubs but go as far as praise it the best ever only further shows that the game will be a big hit i for one am looking forward for some pvp from time to time i don't think there is any MMO out right now that can offer a similar pvp experience but the bad graphic quality (not art style thats beautiful tho) and the slow feeling of combat will stop me from using it anymore than as a game ill pick up from time to time.

But thats ok since there are no monthly subs so its perfect for that and will be able to entertain me for as long till one of the better game manages to deliver a similar pvp experience and that could take some time lol.

Actually you can:

- do anything you want after the tutorial (no linear hand holding)

- the heart quests are repeatable quests you can do if you want to do them

- you can level up alone by exploring the areas, finding interesting points or hidden areas

- you can immediately jump into the WvsWvsW pvp as a level 2 after the tutorial and only level up there till 80

- you can just participate in dynamic events and enjoy the details and aftermaths of them that many unfortunately overlooking by leaving too early, missing follow ups or just nice details like the NPC going to the town and talking about your heroic battles (or similar)

Crafting, World Events, Skill Quests, mindless mob hunting if you choose to do so for yourself and many other things you can do without being forced to but rather by your own choice.

I am aware of that but how does it change the fact that the quests are boring and repetitive?

You are not also gonna tell me now that i can ignore the boring quests therefore they are good...or are you?

Nope. What I meant is that in GW2 you have many CHOICES to progress and it's all up to you to do the ones that appeal you more than others.

In other games you have one linear approach and you have to do it whether you like it or not cause without it you can't progress in the game for the most part due to restrictions that are holding you back.

Also, only because the heart quests doesn't appeal you, it doesn't mean that they don't appeal anyone else.

It's a matter of taste and I'm sure that there are quite a few people that rather like them.

Some are having various methods to complete them instead of one like in other games, others are having a few chains in them you can do to finish them completely.

Also forgot to mention your personal story and 32 dungeons that are in the game aswell.

Dungeons that are having partially also 4 different ways/approaches to complete.

So my point is that if you don't like the heart quests at all then let them be and level a other way or if you don't wanna repeat them, then do them only once.

It's not a must and you are not getting restricted like in other games if you are not doing them.

You have many choices in this game after all and no linear stuff like "go kill 10 of these", "good that you walked all the way back, no run to that place again and kill another 20, then 40 and so on....".

 

  austriacus

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Posts: 626

7/11/12 6:30:15 AM#73
Originally posted by Doomedfox
Originally posted by OldManFunk
Originally posted by Doomedfox
 I am aware of that but how does it change the fact that the quests are boring and repetitive?

You are not also gonna tell me now that i can ignore the boring quests therefore they are good...or are you?

 

Help us help you.

 

You say that GW2 quests are boring and repetitive. Give us some examples of GW2 quests that you found boring and repetitive as well as quests from any other MMO that you enjoyed... unless you were just stopping by to tell us you hate MMOs and GW2 is a MMO, in which case that's fine, it just wasn't very clear from your posts.

 

I did that already i mentioned the quests in my first post.

I am not the one in need of help here i do see the Feeding the Cow, feeding the Bear ,collecting eggs, collecting apples, opening traps over and over again for what they are boring and repetitive quests.

What you feed changes what you collect changes and what you click on changes (traps piles of earth etc) but the quest does not.

I did enjoy quests in FF11 some SWTOR quest were fun too WAR quests were somewhat fun TSW quest are awesome but in the end its all the same just in better wrapping sometimes. However i never had to go from Feeding cows to collecting apples to opening traps rinse repeat and you do that over and over again till the heart is full that is prolly the part which makes it so bad its the worst kind of quest grind  (i know i can ignore them but i  only would have to do so course they are boring right?) 

 

So again it really is not me who needs help here....

So let me get this straight, what you DONT enjoy are the HEARTS.

Thats perfectly fine. There are 1500 DEs in the game and they are something entirely different as you already know.

As you go up in levels the amount of hearts go down and the amount of DEs per map go up so i dont see what the real issue is with you.

Not to forget the zone area events that are insanely fun and hard. And that need coordination(not the human one thats not properly balanced).

You say that there are different ways to level up in all games and they are not always the best ones so why dont you practice what you preach.

ONLY do DEs, thats not ignoring quests thats ignoring a complete way  of leveling, the same way you are ignoring leveling by solely crafting or by solely pvp you can do only DEs and no hearts.

  Doomedfox

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7/11/12 6:34:14 AM#74
Originally posted by Meowhead
Originally posted by Doomedfox

I had the same hopes for GW2 but after playing it i was massively bored and had to force myself to keep playing.(even tho The citys were stunning)

 You've been down on GW2 since long before you ever played it.

Your complaints haven't changed at all.  Sorry, you're not a reverse convert (Person who liked GW2 but playing it made you decide otherwise), you've been down on it before, now you played it, still down on it.

So... nothing changed.  Don't try to make it sound like playing it made you change your mind.  It's disingenuous.  I'm not going to go around posting how I hated GW2 until I played the beta and suddenly I love it.  Just be honest.  You never had high hopes for it, your complaints after playing it are almost identical to your complaints before playing it.  It's not like you're some incredibly open minded person who was let down.  Which is fine!  You can decide to not like something ahead of time, but it does totally change the tone of your posts when people realize that.

 

Thats interesting considering that i do not hate the game at all i also mentioned i am still looking forward to it as a side game i never hated on the game i had some probs with the active dodging and i still do not see why a plate wearing warrior has the same dodge rules as a thief.

I was however looking forward to the claim of no quest hubs anymore (even tho i was sceptically if they can pull it of) and was let down in a big way and that i state now nothing else.

If that makes me an unhonest person in your eyes well there is nothing i can do about it i do however feel personally offended being called unhonest even more so if it happens by a person who does not know me at all and states points which are not even true.

You are also judging me on being not open minded and yet again you do not have knowledge about me.

What it comes down to is that you personally attack me for stating my mind which i suppose does not reflect  your opinions thats just very poor and disappointing.

I never said all i had were the highest hopes and there was nothing i did not like about the game there is just no perfect game and i am not a person to dismiss things he does not like only to be even more hyped about a game the fact that you think this makes me unable to have had high hopes for the game is also very poor on your part.

The part about GW2 i did not like and day by day dislike even more is still the Fans of the game as you just proved again.

On a site note how would you know when i played GW2 for the first time? If you do not know (which you cant) how would you be able to judge that i was not having hopes before i played? I could be an Alpha tester a CB (which i am not) so you really had no way of knowing that but still attacked me on a personal level....

  Doomedfox

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7/11/12 6:39:18 AM#75
Originally posted by austriacus
Originally posted by Doomedfox
Originally posted by OldManFunk
Originally posted by Doomedfox
 I am aware of that but how does it change the fact that the quests are boring and repetitive?

You are not also gonna tell me now that i can ignore the boring quests therefore they are good...or are you?

 

Help us help you.

 

You say that GW2 quests are boring and repetitive. Give us some examples of GW2 quests that you found boring and repetitive as well as quests from any other MMO that you enjoyed... unless you were just stopping by to tell us you hate MMOs and GW2 is a MMO, in which case that's fine, it just wasn't very clear from your posts.

 

I did that already i mentioned the quests in my first post.

I am not the one in need of help here i do see the Feeding the Cow, feeding the Bear ,collecting eggs, collecting apples, opening traps over and over again for what they are boring and repetitive quests.

What you feed changes what you collect changes and what you click on changes (traps piles of earth etc) but the quest does not.

I did enjoy quests in FF11 some SWTOR quest were fun too WAR quests were somewhat fun TSW quest are awesome but in the end its all the same just in better wrapping sometimes. However i never had to go from Feeding cows to collecting apples to opening traps rinse repeat and you do that over and over again till the heart is full that is prolly the part which makes it so bad its the worst kind of quest grind  (i know i can ignore them but i  only would have to do so course they are boring right?) 

 

So again it really is not me who needs help here....

So let me get this straight, what you DONT enjoy are the HEARTS.

Thats perfectly fine. There are 1500 DEs in the game and they are something entirely different as you already know.

As you go up in levels the amount of hearts go down and the amount of DEs per map go up so i dont see what the real issue is with you.

Not to forget the zone area events that are insanely fun and hard. And that need coordination(not the human one thats not properly balanced).

You say that there are different ways to level up in all games and they are not always the best ones so why dont you practice what you preach.

ONLY do DEs, thats not ignoring quests thats ignoring a complete way  of leveling, the same way you are ignoring leveling by solely crafting or by solely pvp you can do only DEs and no hearts.

 

How is it that GW2 fans always seem to see problems with ppl who do not just praise everything the game has to offer?

I did not say its a bad game in total all i stated were that the quest are bad and you all seem to agree course all you say is just ignore them which i might prolly do. That does not change the fact that i expect to get some fun out of the game (most likely in pvp tho)

The game has it strong sides i am sure it has a few very good DE which will be fun but the quests are terrible if that means now that in the eyes of a GW2 fans i hate the game so be in this is getting bothersome.

  DeniZg

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Posts: 586

7/11/12 6:41:35 AM#76

I have to admit that some of the heart quests feel very non-heroic and grindy (feeding cows, killing worms in vineyard etc.) Unfortunately, I will have to finish them, since I'm completionist and can't stand to see them linger on my map. If there's more DE than Heart quests at later zones, for me it's good news.

 

  austriacus

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Posts: 626

7/11/12 6:43:56 AM#77
Originally posted by Doomedfox
Originally posted by austriacus
Originally posted by Doomedfox
Originally posted by OldManFunk
Originally posted by Doomedfox
 I am aware of that but how does it change the fact that the quests are boring and repetitive?

You are not also gonna tell me now that i can ignore the boring quests therefore they are good...or are you?

 

Help us help you.

 

You say that GW2 quests are boring and repetitive. Give us some examples of GW2 quests that you found boring and repetitive as well as quests from any other MMO that you enjoyed... unless you were just stopping by to tell us you hate MMOs and GW2 is a MMO, in which case that's fine, it just wasn't very clear from your posts.

 

I did that already i mentioned the quests in my first post.

I am not the one in need of help here i do see the Feeding the Cow, feeding the Bear ,collecting eggs, collecting apples, opening traps over and over again for what they are boring and repetitive quests.

What you feed changes what you collect changes and what you click on changes (traps piles of earth etc) but the quest does not.

I did enjoy quests in FF11 some SWTOR quest were fun too WAR quests were somewhat fun TSW quest are awesome but in the end its all the same just in better wrapping sometimes. However i never had to go from Feeding cows to collecting apples to opening traps rinse repeat and you do that over and over again till the heart is full that is prolly the part which makes it so bad its the worst kind of quest grind  (i know i can ignore them but i  only would have to do so course they are boring right?) 

 

So again it really is not me who needs help here....

So let me get this straight, what you DONT enjoy are the HEARTS.

Thats perfectly fine. There are 1500 DEs in the game and they are something entirely different as you already know.

As you go up in levels the amount of hearts go down and the amount of DEs per map go up so i dont see what the real issue is with you.

Not to forget the zone area events that are insanely fun and hard. And that need coordination(not the human one thats not properly balanced).

You say that there are different ways to level up in all games and they are not always the best ones so why dont you practice what you preach.

ONLY do DEs, thats not ignoring quests thats ignoring a complete way  of leveling, the same way you are ignoring leveling by solely crafting or by solely pvp you can do only DEs and no hearts.

 

How is it that GW2 fans always seem to see problems with ppl who do not just praise everything the game has to offer?

I did not say its a bad game in total all i stated were that the quest are bad and you all seem to agree course all you say is just ignore them which i might prolly do. That does not change the fact that i expect to get some fun out of the game (most likely in pvp tho)

The game has it strong sides i am sure it has a few very good DE which will be fun but the quests are terrible if that means now that in the eyes of a GW2 fans i hate the game so be in this is getting bothersome.

what? i never said there was a problem with your way of thinking.

Im just trying to point out ways you could enjoy more the money you spent on the game. If you are seeing every post as an atack to you it just makes you seem as if you are on agenda, just saying.

Sorry for trying to help i guess?

  Meowhead

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7/11/12 6:46:25 AM#78
Originally posted by Doomedfox

 

Thats interesting considering that i do not hate the game at all i also mentioned i am still looking forward to it as a side game i never hated on the game i had some probs with the active dodging and i still do not see why a plate wearing warrior has the same dodge rules as a thief.

I was however looking forward to the claim of no quest hubs anymore (even tho i was sceptically if they can pull it of) and was let down in a big way and that i state now nothing else.

If that makes me an unhonest person in your eyes well there is nothing i can do about it i do however feel personally offended being called unhonest even more so if it happens by a person who does not know me at all and states points which are not even true.

You are also judging me on being not open minded and yet again you do not have knowledge about me.

What it comes down to is that you personally attack me for stating my mind which i suppose does not reflect  your opinions thats just very poor and disappointing.

I never said all i had were the highest hopes and there was nothing i did not like about the game there is just no perfect game and i am not a person to dismiss things he does not like only to be even more hyped about a game the fact that you think this makes me unable to have had high hopes for the game is also very poor on your part.

The part about GW2 i did not like and day by day dislike even more is still the Fans of the game as you just proved again.

On a site note how would you know when i played GW2 for the first time? If you do not know (which you cant) how would you be able to judge that i was not having hopes before i played? I could be an Alpha tester a CB (which i am not) so you really had no way of knowing that but still attacked me on a personal level....

 Never said you hated it.  Just said that you've been fairly down on it.  The most flattering thing you used to say about it was 'It'll make a good backup game for when there's no good game to play'.  I mean, I've been reading these forums for a while, do you think nobody remembers you?

You had high hopes for TSW, and honestly, I have no idea how you feel about TSW =now=, because I don't really read the TSW forums.  What you had for GW2 was not really high hopes.

I mean, that's not HATE, but it's hardly this glowing recommendation where you were super hyped to play it.  You keep saying things like 'Until I played the beta', but the way you've talked about the game hasn't really changed at all pre and post beta.  Also, how would I know when you played it for the first time?  Because you mentioned playing the beta for the first time.  I mean, I assumed you weren't lying about that.  See?  I didn't even call you a liar.  I assumed you've been basically truthful, just that the way you're coming across is as somebody who had high hopes for the game and was disappointed, rather than somebody who had very LOW hopes for the game, and basically feel vindicated in your previous views.

Also, there's no real way to argue with your opinion, because it's just that.  Opinion.  I don't care if you think heart quests are boring or interesting (Though you do spend a LOT of time saying things like 'People who like them are fanboys who are overlooking flaws', which suggests that you are putting a lot of weight on your own opinions being the correct ones and other people being misguided and wrong, rather than having different taste).

I'm personally a 'people have different tastes' sort of person.  Your tastes weren't that geared towards what GW2 was offering in the FIRST place, so why would they change after?  The beta didn't really change your views, it made you decide that your previous negative thoughts were correct.

There's no rocket science to this.  In fact, I'd say that means you're mostly a fairly accurate judge of your own tastes.  Congratulations.

What you ARE, is a poor judge of other people's taste (And let's be honest, most people are.  It's hard to understand other people.  Empathy doesn't come naturally to many people).  People can genuinely enjoy something without wearing some sort of fanboy blinders, just like I'm not going to accuse you of hating something because you're wearing hater blinders.  ... and THIS is where you not being particularly open-minded shows.  Things you dislike are automatically bad, and people who like certain things that you disagree with are people who are ignoring flaws, rather than people who perhaps find what you consider flaws, to be positives.  Or people who see positives that don't matter to you.

Also, it's pretty lame to hide behind the 'Oh no, I'm being attacked because GW2 fans are horrible people, I'm a victim' shield.  I just think you're a person who never had particularly high hopes for GW2, you didn't like a lot of what they're bringing, and surprise, after playing, still not a fan of many things.  Funny how that works.  All that means is you're fairly consistent as a person.  That's hardly the worst thing I've called somebody here.

  Gaia_Hunter

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Posts: 2677

7/11/12 6:48:34 AM#79
Originally posted by Doomedfox
Originally posted by austriacus
Originally posted by Doomedfox
Originally posted by OldManFunk
Originally posted by Doomedfox
 I am aware of that but how does it change the fact that the quests are boring and repetitive?

You are not also gonna tell me now that i can ignore the boring quests therefore they are good...or are you?

 

Help us help you.

 

You say that GW2 quests are boring and repetitive. Give us some examples of GW2 quests that you found boring and repetitive as well as quests from any other MMO that you enjoyed... unless you were just stopping by to tell us you hate MMOs and GW2 is a MMO, in which case that's fine, it just wasn't very clear from your posts.

 

I did that already i mentioned the quests in my first post.

I am not the one in need of help here i do see the Feeding the Cow, feeding the Bear ,collecting eggs, collecting apples, opening traps over and over again for what they are boring and repetitive quests.

What you feed changes what you collect changes and what you click on changes (traps piles of earth etc) but the quest does not.

I did enjoy quests in FF11 some SWTOR quest were fun too WAR quests were somewhat fun TSW quest are awesome but in the end its all the same just in better wrapping sometimes. However i never had to go from Feeding cows to collecting apples to opening traps rinse repeat and you do that over and over again till the heart is full that is prolly the part which makes it so bad its the worst kind of quest grind  (i know i can ignore them but i  only would have to do so course they are boring right?) 

 

So again it really is not me who needs help here....

So let me get this straight, what you DONT enjoy are the HEARTS.

Thats perfectly fine. There are 1500 DEs in the game and they are something entirely different as you already know.

As you go up in levels the amount of hearts go down and the amount of DEs per map go up so i dont see what the real issue is with you.

Not to forget the zone area events that are insanely fun and hard. And that need coordination(not the human one thats not properly balanced).

You say that there are different ways to level up in all games and they are not always the best ones so why dont you practice what you preach.

ONLY do DEs, thats not ignoring quests thats ignoring a complete way  of leveling, the same way you are ignoring leveling by solely crafting or by solely pvp you can do only DEs and no hearts.

 

How is it that GW2 fans always seem to see problems with ppl who do not just praise everything the game has to offer?

I did not say its a bad game in total all i stated were that the quest are bad and you all seem to agree course all you say is just ignore them which i might prolly do. That does not change the fact that i expect to get some fun out of the game (most likely in pvp tho)

The game has it strong sides i am sure it has a few very good DE which will be fun but the quests are terrible if that means now that in the eyes of a GW2 fans i hate the game so be in this is getting bothersome.

Any different from TSW fans ignoring combat problems and the fact some of the quests are also boring?

Why do people that like TSW ignore those things? Because the rest of it makes up for the downs for them.

Same with GW2 - sure, some of the heart quests are boring, others you just complete without noticing, but it doesn't matter since the world feels alive, the combat is interesting and there is people playing with you all the time.

It is always stupid to personalize since a) people can do the same to you, b) some will be playing both games.

 

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  seridan

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7/11/12 6:49:04 AM#80
Originally posted by Doomedfox

I was however looking forward to the claim of no quest hubs anymore (even tho i was sceptically if they can pull it of) and was let down in a big way and that i state now nothing else.

Did you see any quest hubs? And no don't tell me about the Hearts, there are a million DEs that happen far away of Hearts, the game is full of something to do, there are NO quest hubs.

 

Block the trolls, don't answer them, so we can remove the garbage from these forums

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