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  Sovrath

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7/10/12 8:46:54 AM#21
Originally posted by sadeyx

I really cant see me wanting to play VG again even after f2p

 

Each time I go and try it again it seems to get more dusty, more old and more clunky.

 

Compared to the wave of AAA free to play titles out there now just cant see why VG would take off.

 

At the time this was an amazing MMO,  but now its an example of a festering wounded mmo that should be put out of its misery xD

Oh, I don't think it will take off.

but the more I see mmo's get their litany of complaints, shrink and then maintain over years the more I believe that most mmo's are really made for specirid audiences and should be smaller.

Since Vanugard is very different from many mmo's with it's huge world and multiple open (and in many cases large) dungeons, I can definitely see it's core audience expanding.

  dazedconfuse

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7/10/12 10:33:06 AM#22
This is a big step in the right direction.
  User Deleted
7/10/12 12:23:59 PM#23

I'm interested now. Very interested.

  laserit

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7/10/12 2:51:37 PM#24
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by sadeyx

I really cant see me wanting to play VG again even after f2p

 

Each time I go and try it again it seems to get more dusty, more old and more clunky.

 

Compared to the wave of AAA free to play titles out there now just cant see why VG would take off.

 

At the time this was an amazing MMO,  but now its an example of a festering wounded mmo that should be put out of its misery xD

Oh, I don't think it will take off.

but the more I see mmo's get their litany of complaints, shrink and then maintain over years the more I believe that most mmo's are really made for specirid audiences and should be smaller.

Since Vanugard is very different from many mmo's with it's huge world and multiple open (and in many cases large) dungeons, I can definitely see it's core audience expanding.

 Whole heartedly agree

Vanguard is a deep game and it looks like SOE is going to put a decent effert into the FTP relaunch. It will definatley fill a niche thats been lacking.

Many people will enjoy this game, there is lots to enjoy

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  arctarus

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7/10/12 10:13:21 PM#25
Now hopefully they will put in some effort for marketing

RIP Orc Choppa

  Nadia

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7/11/12 9:05:57 AM#26

ive been trying to goto the link but i guess the site is down

http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=57701

  User Deleted
7/11/12 9:10:50 AM#27
Originally posted by Nadia

ive been trying to goto the link but i guess the site is down

http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=57701

I am able to log into the Vanguard forums, maybe try again in a little while, the forums are a mess and always bug out, a new one is on the way soon we have been told.

  Nadia

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7/11/12 1:55:06 PM#28

got in -- this is what was posted for those that dont follow links

 

  • For COIN allowance, we bumped the coin limit from 1 plat to 3 plat for FREE players.
  • For ITEMS, we included "Uncommon and higher" for FREE players. Some items will still be limited but it will be on a case by case basis.
  • For In-game Mailing, we give FREE players full access, but at higher mailing rates.
  • For CHAT, we give FREE players full access.
  • For the BROKER system, we give FREE players full access, but at higher broker fees for placing items up for sale.
  gatheris

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7/11/12 1:59:45 PM#29

bank/bags limit needs to be moderated - for crafters it is a necessity

seriously, if they want people to sub they need to give a real taste of Vanguard

and then for my sub, it will depend greatly on whether they get any population recovery - - - crafting without buyers is kinda pointless in an MMO (imho of course)

 

  Adamantine

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7/12/12 2:14:29 AM#30
Originally posted by sadeyx

I really cant see me wanting to play VG again even after f2p

Then dont, and dont waste our time posting here. Thank you.

  Nadia

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7/15/12 1:35:27 PM#31

seen on feedback

http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?start=75&topic_id=57701

We plan on making housing an a la carte option but it may not be available at launch. Since we do not have instanced housing we have to be carfeul with the limited space.

  User Deleted
7/16/12 9:29:50 AM#32
Originally posted by Nadia

seen on feedback

http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?start=75&topic_id=57701

We plan on making housing an a la carte option but it may not be available at launch. Since we do not have instanced housing we have to be carfeul with the limited space.

I honestly hope they add more player housing areas before they even think of this, every player I know is buying up housing plots just so F2Pers cannot take one and load it with a ton of upkeep.

I have 4 houses, 1 per account, there really is a shortage and letting F2P players buy them will make money but at what cost to the game and player base?

I hope they either make more housing areas/plot or keep it as sub only as an incentive to support the game.

  Xiaoki

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7/16/12 10:24:09 AM#33

Yeah, its slightly better than before but still not good enough.


Its still a bit more limiting than EQ2 Free but EQ2 has about 100 times more players and content.


This is Vanguard's last desperate attempt to stay alive and they limp to the gate with heavy restrictions? They have to make this the most generous free to play out there. Full access to races and classes would at least get me to play and thats the first step to getting me to pay.

  Flaming_MMO

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7/16/12 12:45:01 PM#34
Originally posted by Xiaoki

Yeah, its slightly better than before but still not good enough.


Its still a bit more limiting than EQ2 Free but EQ2 has about 100 times more players and content.


This is Vanguard's last desperate attempt to stay alive and they limp to the gate with heavy restrictions? They have to make this the most generous free to play out there. Full access to races and classes would at least get me to play and thats the first step to getting me to pay.

You can download the game now and start a free 14 day trial with no credit card sign up.  You can make any race/class now and if the FTP transition is anything like it was for Everquest a few months back, you can keep playing the race/class combo you started before the game went FTP. 

For everquest I just used a trial account to make the classes I wanted that would be locked when the game went FTP and was able to continue to play them after the game went FTP without having to pay to unlock them.

  User Deleted
7/16/12 9:32:56 PM#35
Originally posted by Xiaoki

Yeah, its slightly better than before but still not good enough.


Its still a bit more limiting than EQ2 Free but EQ2 has about 100 times more players and content.


This is Vanguard's last desperate attempt to stay alive and they limp to the gate with heavy restrictions? They have to make this the most generous free to play out there. Full access to races and classes would at least get me to play and thats the first step to getting me to pay.

I am not sure where you are getting the whole "Vanguard is dead and needs help" idea from?

I hear that a lot, yet I have been playing since beta and never once has the game been on life support, never once was there talk of ever shutting it down or even coming close.

The thing with Vanguard is SOE owns the intellectual rights to it, so the game is theirs, no license agreements no money needs to go to any other company, it's 100% theirs.

So the subscriptions that are directly linked to Vanguard (not station passes) directly fund the game and a lot of us Vets have multiple Vanguard only subscriptions and we did that to support the game when everyone left.

SOE even abandoned us for 2 yrs without a single update or patch, not even a post on the forums and we continued to play and enjoy our game while supporting it, yes we were low in numbers but it was enough to pay the bills and keep the server going quite easily.

SOE saw this and that is why they are trying to turn Vanguard around, they know we won't be going any where and we won't let the game die, so although it is an effort to revamp VG and make it even more profitable, it isn't a last ditch effort to save the game. It could go on forever with low population as long as the Vanguard specific subscriptions are enough to pay the bills and turn a small profit.

  SuperXero89

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7/17/12 1:51:35 AM#36
Originally posted by Kilsin
Originally posted by Xiaoki

Yeah, its slightly better than before but still not good enough.


Its still a bit more limiting than EQ2 Free but EQ2 has about 100 times more players and content.


This is Vanguard's last desperate attempt to stay alive and they limp to the gate with heavy restrictions? They have to make this the most generous free to play out there. Full access to races and classes would at least get me to play and thats the first step to getting me to pay.

I am not sure where you are getting the whole "Vanguard is dead and needs help" idea from?

I hear that a lot, yet I have been playing since beta and never once has the game been on life support, never once was there talk of ever shutting it down or even coming close.

The thing with Vanguard is SOE owns the intellectual rights to it, so the game is theirs, no license agreements no money needs to go to any other company, it's 100% theirs.

So the subscriptions that are directly linked to Vanguard (not station passes) directly fund the game and a lot of us Vets have multiple Vanguard only subscriptions and we did that to support the game when everyone left.

SOE even abandoned us for 2 yrs without a single update or patch, not even a post on the forums and we continued to play and enjoy our game while supporting it, yes we were low in numbers but it was enough to pay the bills and keep the server going quite easily.

SOE saw this and that is why they are trying to turn Vanguard around, they know we won't be going any where and we won't let the game die, so although it is an effort to revamp VG and make it even more profitable, it isn't a last ditch effort to save the game. It could go on forever with low population as long as the Vanguard specific subscriptions are enough to pay the bills and turn a small profit.

I think you need to reevalutate the mental image that pops into your head whenever you hear about a game being dead because you explained to everyone perfectly excactly why the game is dead and needs help.

  aRtFuLThinG

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7/17/12 2:12:46 AM#37

I think the had to sweeten the f2p deal, expected move. They didn't really had a choice.

The deal before was simply overly harsh and not going to have the f2p effect that it was meant to generate - and if they can't do that they might as well shutdown VG.

I think it might go still better, when they realise that there are games out there that offer more f2p contents and actually ended up doing better because people who are willing to spend money are going to spend it, regardless of whether more is offered to the f2p people. Being stingy about f2p content is only going to discourage the borderliners (those that thought about spending but are not yet fully committed).

  User Deleted
7/17/12 2:29:40 AM#38
Originally posted by SuperXero89
Originally posted by Kilsin
Originally posted by Xiaoki

Yeah, its slightly better than before but still not good enough.


Its still a bit more limiting than EQ2 Free but EQ2 has about 100 times more players and content.


This is Vanguard's last desperate attempt to stay alive and they limp to the gate with heavy restrictions? They have to make this the most generous free to play out there. Full access to races and classes would at least get me to play and thats the first step to getting me to pay.

I am not sure where you are getting the whole "Vanguard is dead and needs help" idea from?

I hear that a lot, yet I have been playing since beta and never once has the game been on life support, never once was there talk of ever shutting it down or even coming close.

The thing with Vanguard is SOE owns the intellectual rights to it, so the game is theirs, no license agreements no money needs to go to any other company, it's 100% theirs.

So the subscriptions that are directly linked to Vanguard (not station passes) directly fund the game and a lot of us Vets have multiple Vanguard only subscriptions and we did that to support the game when everyone left.

SOE even abandoned us for 2 yrs without a single update or patch, not even a post on the forums and we continued to play and enjoy our game while supporting it, yes we were low in numbers but it was enough to pay the bills and keep the server going quite easily.

SOE saw this and that is why they are trying to turn Vanguard around, they know we won't be going any where and we won't let the game die, so although it is an effort to revamp VG and make it even more profitable, it isn't a last ditch effort to save the game. It could go on forever with low population as long as the Vanguard specific subscriptions are enough to pay the bills and turn a small profit.

I think you need to reevalutate the mental image that pops into your head whenever you hear about a game being dead because you explained to everyone perfectly excactly why the game is dead and needs help.

I don't need to reword or explain anything.

The Veteran player base supported the game for years with vanguard specific subscriptions, there were many of us from all over the world, hundreds on during prime times. It was not dead.

Vanguard being such a huge open world, gives off the impression that it was empty but I assure you, it was not.

We didn't need a patch or post from them, Vanguard as it stood, didn't need massive attention, just a few annoying bugs and class fixes would of been nice but apart from that, there is so much to do in Vanguard you could play 3-4 characters through different paths and continents from level 1 to max level 55 and still not see everything there is to do in Vanguard.

There is years worth of content if you have never played before. Years!

So Vanguard was not "Dead" or "Dying", players just started spreading that vicious rumour and other players, without bothering to actually play the game to see for themselves, believed these rumours and continued to spread them, like most of the information on these boards.

I was there on the Telon Server and playing on a range of different leveled characters and can tell you first hand, it was not dead or dying.

Proof it was not dead or dying is the news of F2P, what company in their right mind would bother wasting so much time, money and resources on a dying or dead game, especially in today's MMO market with the kind of competition Vanguard is up against...

Don't believe everything you read or hear.

Check things out for yourself.

  delete5230

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7/17/12 4:51:50 AM#39
Originally posted by Xiaoki

Yeah, its slightly better than before but still not good enough.


Its still a bit more limiting than EQ2 Free but EQ2 has about 100 times more players and content.


This is Vanguard's last desperate attempt to stay alive and they limp to the gate with heavy restrictions? They have to make this the most generous free to play out there. Full access to races and classes would at least get me to play and thats the first step to getting me to pay.

You are soooo right !

Great game, last attempt.

But you should have added that 99.99 % of mmo players have their eye on GW2 right now.  Bad timing, but then again it's SOE would you expect anything more ?

 

This is how its going to go.......... Both me and 99.99% of us will be playing GW2 for several months.  When they hype dies down will all be focusing on playing something else.  Some of us will filter back to Vanguard ( because it's a great mmo ) but it will be a low population all over again.

  User Deleted
7/17/12 2:25:10 PM#40
Originally posted by Kilsin
Originally posted by SuperXero89
Originally posted by Kilsin
Originally posted by Xiaoki

Yeah, its slightly better than before but still not good enough.


Its still a bit more limiting than EQ2 Free but EQ2 has about 100 times more players and content.


This is Vanguard's last desperate attempt to stay alive and they limp to the gate with heavy restrictions? They have to make this the most generous free to play out there. Full access to races and classes would at least get me to play and thats the first step to getting me to pay.

I am not sure where you are getting the whole "Vanguard is dead and needs help" idea from?

I hear that a lot, yet I have been playing since beta and never once has the game been on life support, never once was there talk of ever shutting it down or even coming close.

The thing with Vanguard is SOE owns the intellectual rights to it, so the game is theirs, no license agreements no money needs to go to any other company, it's 100% theirs.

So the subscriptions that are directly linked to Vanguard (not station passes) directly fund the game and a lot of us Vets have multiple Vanguard only subscriptions and we did that to support the game when everyone left.

SOE even abandoned us for 2 yrs without a single update or patch, not even a post on the forums and we continued to play and enjoy our game while supporting it, yes we were low in numbers but it was enough to pay the bills and keep the server going quite easily.

SOE saw this and that is why they are trying to turn Vanguard around, they know we won't be going any where and we won't let the game die, so although it is an effort to revamp VG and make it even more profitable, it isn't a last ditch effort to save the game. It could go on forever with low population as long as the Vanguard specific subscriptions are enough to pay the bills and turn a small profit.

I think you need to reevalutate the mental image that pops into your head whenever you hear about a game being dead because you explained to everyone perfectly excactly why the game is dead and needs help.

I don't need to reword or explain anything.

The Veteran player base supported the game for years with vanguard specific subscriptions, there were many of us from all over the world, hundreds on during prime times. It was not dead.

Vanguard being such a huge open world, gives off the impression that it was empty but I assure you, it was not.

We didn't need a patch or post from them, Vanguard as it stood, didn't need massive attention, just a few annoying bugs and class fixes would of been nice but apart from that, there is so much to do in Vanguard you could play 3-4 characters through different paths and continents from level 1 to max level 55 and still not see everything there is to do in Vanguard.

There is years worth of content if you have never played before. Years!

So Vanguard was not "Dead" or "Dying", players just started spreading that vicious rumour and other players, without bothering to actually play the game to see for themselves, believed these rumours and continued to spread them, like most of the information on these boards.

I was there on the Telon Server and playing on a range of different leveled characters and can tell you first hand, it was not dead or dying.

Proof it was not dead or dying is the news of F2P, what company in their right mind would bother wasting so much time, money and resources on a dying or dead game, especially in today's MMO market with the kind of competition Vanguard is up against...

Don't believe everything you read or hear.

Check things out for yourself.

I don't think you know what dead means in an MMO.  It doesn't mean no one plays it means the population is so small there is no REAL playerbase a few hundred players does not sustain an MMO no matter how much you wanna believe it does.

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