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  Eivi

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Joined: 8/14/04
Posts: 102

Never sacrifice freedom for security

7/12/12 5:26:33 AM#41
I still pop on to the Discworld MUD every now and then, been playing that since i was about 11.

OT. If it wasnt for pugs, i wouldnt be able to raid. I dont have the time to dedicate myself to a raiding guild anymore.

  Icewhite

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Joined: 7/11/11
Posts: 6495

Pink, it's like red but not quite.

7/12/12 5:39:26 AM#42

There used to be a forum poster (CoH?) who complained at great length, daily, about the abysmal quality of PuG players and the groups he was getting.  You could expect a novel written each day about the stupid, clueless play, simple and repeated mistakes, etc. etc. These horrible PuG groups were the bane of all human existance, PuG players were positively subhuman in every way.

Until someone calmly pointed out that he was a PuG player.  "All of your horrible hated PuG groups have exactly one factor in common: you are in them."

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  Kyleran

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Joined: 9/13/06
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Fools find no pleasure in understanding, but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV

7/12/12 6:00:06 AM#43
Originally posted by Elikal

One problem is, too many MMOs have quests which require a group, but which DON't work with PUGs. Today more and more people depend on PUGs, because people no longer dedicate to guilds as they used to and levelling goes to fast, it's just difficult to stay on track with ingame friends. In days of Everquest, where you were away a couple of days, it didn't matter much, but today when you are away a few days, most of your ingame friends have outlevelled you.

 

That is why group content must adapt to the times and must be possible for PUG groups. Otherwise a continually larger group of players will simply be locked out of a growing part of the content people paid for. Example are esp. Raids, which are usually so difficult, you can't just join some PUG Raid group. Or same with Arena PVP, where PUGs just suck compared to premades.

In past days PUGs were more an exception, but they became the rule now, and MMOs simply failed to acknowledge that change, and cater only a hardcore dinosaur type of guild dedicated gamer which today isn't the rule anymore.

Are you the 2008 version of Elikal?  I can't think of a recent release that doesn't have cross server dungeon finders/LFG tools and simplified raid dynamics designed to cater to PUG type players.  WOW, Rift, SWTOR, TERA, the list goes on and one right?

Except for hard modes, guild raiding seems to have practically died off, (and in TERA people were pugging even hardmodes)

I'd say almost every developer is aware of the needs of the PUG player (look at GW2's design) and is trying very hard to make games more accessable to every player on the server.

Well, except of course perhaps the people who favor the days when only a solid raid guild would master end game content.  Those days seem basically over now.

 

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  taramir

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Joined: 3/05/06
Posts: 75

7/12/12 10:41:53 AM#44

What does this article say that anyone who has ever played an MMO cant figure out for themselves? Maybe there are people who for some reason like PUGing content that is designed to be progressed through and you have convinced them that they are wrong and should not enjoy it. Other than that this is just a really pointless article.

  bbates024

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Joined: 6/03/09
Posts: 72

7/13/12 7:20:49 AM#45

Another awesome read keep up the great work Pokett!

  bridgetjones

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Joined: 7/13/12
Posts: 4

7/13/12 4:30:35 PM#46

Rewrote for clarity

  bridgetjones

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Joined: 7/13/12
Posts: 4

7/13/12 7:11:37 PM#47

I agree with tara.  There's not much point in stating the obvious.  And not *kinda* obvious...like, really, really, really obvious.  Like, it's been posted on the wow forums multiple times per day for nearly a decade obvious.  I don't feel that this is unconstructive criticism; I really think that having a *point* should be a fundamental requirement of having a job, much less a column on an extremely popular fansite for engaged MMO players.

I've lurked this site for years and am just now registering so I can ask why this column exists.  It would be a breath of fresh air if you explored some interesting topics from a girl-gamer's point of view....or if you just explored interesting topics period.  Talking about PUGs is not a bad thing in the least.  We really could use some researched insight into how LFD tools, content accessibility, and quick-gearing are affecting the quality and fun of PUGs.  You could offer a researched list of ways we can all contribute to making the PUG community better.  OR you could offer insight from your vast experience of PUGing of how a good PUG organizer behaves, leads a group, and screens players.  You could explore how a "good" player with suboptimal gear can work within the PUG screening system to get a spot.

And, I don't mean to be harsh, but it's not particularly compelling that you downed LK in a PUG, probably with a 20%-30% buff in place.  Further, I'm stuck wondering why you would spend countless hours of frustration PUGing instead of going through a few hours of frustration trying to find a guild not comprised of mouth-breathers.

In my profession, if my boss asked me to write a brief, and all I came up with was "The Plaintiff is wrong cuz I sed so," I would be fired instantly.  Content matters, especially if you are one of the lucky few with a gaming "career." 

 
  Ognagol

Novice Member

Joined: 7/15/12
Posts: 3

7/15/12 9:58:23 AM#48

Silly me.  I simply came here, read the article, enjoyed it -- and now I'm moving on to something else without dissecting the content with a fine tooth comb.  Keep the blogs coming Pokket.

  CyclopsSlayer

Novice Member

Joined: 1/31/04
Posts: 532

7/16/12 11:35:14 AM#49

Why Hate PUG's? 

 

-Never fails, there is always one or more clueless people that refuse to listen, just have to charge the next room, and couldn't sit still for 5 seconds if their life depended on it... Bouncers anyone? Boingie, boingie, boingie...

-Players that just bought their char last night, playing their brother's/sister's/cousin's character, one dimensional charaters that have no idea they have buffs or support capabilities as long as they can pew-pew-pew...

-Healers that thinks they are gods gifts to Melee or Casting DPS, and don't want to 'waste' their mana to heal...

-Soloers grouping for the first time. (EQ1 Druid in a mid-30's group, "OH! I didn't know my heals worked on others!" /cry  )

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