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  Shiftyt

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Joined: 7/01/12
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Be as you wish to seem.

Socrates

7/06/12 11:11:14 PM#61

Nope never did like wow, and yes i gave it a fair shot but just couldn't get into it.

Shiftyt

  FrodoFragins

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7/06/12 11:44:51 PM#62

Blizzard has no reason to drastically change WOW.  It's going to do fine even by the time Titan releases.  I have to believe the titan devs are carefully watching current MMOs closely, WOW devs not so much.

  User Deleted
7/07/12 12:27:31 AM#63

until and unless some game really dethrones wow i am not ready to believe this garbage . whether you like it or not . wow is still number one and people playing it are not ready to leave it in any foreseeable future

  palulalula

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7/07/12 1:23:06 AM#64

It is still best MMO and MOP can make it even better. TSW is good game but this 2 games have nothing in common. WOW is most complete  theme park mmo ever made and i will always return back for any new expansion.  And Titan will be for sure something epic and long lasting

  kaguhoO

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Joined: 6/18/12
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7/07/12 1:27:36 AM#65
Originally posted by FrodoFragins

Blizzard has no reason to drastically change WOW.  It's going to do fine even by the time Titan releases.  I have to believe the titan devs are carefully watching current MMOs closely, WOW devs not so much.

and you think titan will have likve 10mil sub or something?

you think its the next wow ?

keep dreaming buddy time has change face the reality already.

 

and if u mean blizz copy every single mmo's for titan yes they DO "watching closely"

  kaguhoO

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7/07/12 1:37:16 AM#66
Originally posted by palulalula

It is still best MMO and MOP can make it even better

i stoped there plz go back to wow fanboy.

wow for 2012 standards is crap,gameplay wise,story wise,mechanics wise deal with it and MoP is the worst expansion blizz has ever created till now and most blizz fanboys agree

glad blizz copy pokemons so u will have fun with endgame.

 

  User Deleted
7/07/12 1:52:35 AM#67

You can never get back that feeling of your first time for anything. since this was not my first MMO it never held a important place for me. it had people and lots of them. it made what little world it had alive. it was all so new back then. it's just needs to die now. let other types of MMOs that truly want to try something different have a chance to mix up the genre.

 

  MurlockDance

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Joined: 6/20/10
Posts: 1190

7/07/12 2:02:35 AM#68
Originally posted by FrodoFragins

Blizzard has no reason to drastically change WOW.  It's going to do fine even by the time Titan releases.  I have to believe the titan devs are carefully watching current MMOs closely, WOW devs not so much.

It is never a good idea to drastically change a game that has been around for a while. Just look at the NGE for SWG as an example of what not to do. However, the OP's suggestions were not necessarily that drastic as far as changes go, for example with more emphasis on world PvP. The only thing he suggested that I would consider quite a bit different is the dynamic world thing, but they already sort of have it in place with the battles that are on-going/raging in many parts of the world. I think it would be not such a stretch for them to add truly dynamic things.

My main concern about where WoW is heading these days is in further streamlining or rather, removing RPG elements to increase convenience. This is just a nice way of saying they are removing some of the elements that helped make up the soul of Vanilla WoW as an RPG rather than just a generic game. RPGs are not about convenience, they are about generating an imaginative world in which you can experience, engage in, and immerse yourself in.

Playing MUDs and MMOs since 1994.

  psychobgr

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Joined: 5/14/12
Posts: 124

7/07/12 2:12:39 AM#69

I doubt if many wow players even know about up and coming games so I think the pandas will be win win for Blizzard no matter what. They have done it for 8 years now and their still the top dog but I reckon that this could be the last expansion or maybe squeeze one more out.

  Jerioca

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Joined: 12/07/04
Posts: 11

7/07/12 4:51:08 AM#70

The thing that's killed WoW for me is all the recycling. I fully realise that the guys making these games have only so much time and so much resources but come on. With cataclysm not one single 'new' boss mechanic or special attack was new. Everything used had been introduced in Burning Crusade or Lich king already. The way they were combined may have been different but that was it. Even the majority of monster models were rehashes of previous ones.

It got to be like comparing the rebranding of packets of toilet paper. The pictures on the plastic packaging may be completely different and all bright and shiney and new but you're still going to use the contents to do exactly the same thing as last time. They're still using the same 4 or 5 cave maps that we're in vanilla WoW for pities sake. 'Blizzard' and 'New content' just can't be justified in the same sentence.

  Silverbranch

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Joined: 10/31/10
Posts: 179

Wherever you go, there you are.

7/07/12 5:47:13 AM#71

WoW could in fact be great again . . . if anyone actually talked about the right things required to make that rejuvenation happen.

 

I had some good years in WoW.  But unless both the playerbase and devs actually start talking about foundational changes (NOT insert nifty want-it features x, y, and z here), it simply, fundamentally, irrevocably can't change.

 

See Whitelantern, Jonoko, and Scorpionone near the top of the list.

 

I appreciate what MMORPG.COM brings to me, as a gamer.  But IMO you guys are operating at about 50% capacity.  Be journalists, be what the gaming comunity REALLY NEEDS:  Journalists who dig into what a Game is, at fundamantal levels, what the industry needs in human-interaction "standards".  Not rewashes of emo-topics or marketing hype, easy talky-talk to just talky-talk.

 

The Internet makes talky-talk really easy, that's why we see so much of it.

 

Lets starts discussing, in intelligent fashion, over time, what the EVOLUTION of Online, virtual world, Gaming should be.  I think we have enough fuel in the form of multiple beached whales (old or even failed games) as well as some successes to actually start that conversation, yes?

 

Wherever you go, there you are.

  daltanious

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Joined: 4/19/08
Posts: 1695

7/07/12 6:12:15 AM#72

Mainly I agree with op. I will sure be back with all my 10 lv. 85 alliance. But am I so "high" on my mood as I was with previous expansions? No. No, but not because of "The Secret World, Guild Wars 2, Planetside 2",  Not even minimally interested. Will try them for sure in future. But before there (for me of course) was only wow and the rest of the world. Now I have swtor and Rift. Playing SWTOR since day 1 and still barely can wait to login every day back and level through questing all my alts (12). I also miss Rift, but for now only thing that occupies my mind is swtor. And there will be pandas. So when I will need short break from swtor will have to choose between Wow and Rift. Then back to SWTOR.

Essentially there are many more good "players" (read mmos) out there than were 1-2 years ago. Never so many. Despite for now I'm just following on internet, I'm sure gw2, tsw, ... will "steal" at least temporarely some players from wow, rift and swtor.

  Sukiyaki

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Joined: 8/14/09
Posts: 1288

7/07/12 6:17:22 AM#73

Did WoW ever have anything "new" in the last 5-6 years first in place? Enough to yearn for "old times" when the grind was exactly the same with merely less rewards and headpatting for even the most stupid activities?

All they did was recycling same old mindless and linear grind with new skins and offering dumbed or watered down or as fanboys call it "polished" features copied from old and new gametitle around them. Hardly anything invented by themself that ever changed gameplay.

But I hear this "going back to its roots" every expansion they keep releasing an somehow the fans fall for the same hype over and over again, only to be rewarded the same old grind in green or black and white, and they 11 months bored awayting the next expansion that is already hyped to solve every problem "this time for real".

 

 
  GreenishBlue

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Joined: 5/27/12
Posts: 266

7/07/12 6:21:31 AM#74

cataclysm x-pac made the old like new ; Blizzard is catering to a different generation now

  Loke666

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Joined: 10/29/07
Posts: 16452

7/07/12 6:27:36 AM#75

I think Blizz would have to totally revamp the game to get those old players back and I doubt Blizz really are interested in such major workover as long as they still have millions of players.

Instead I think they are starting a bit on Wow 2, which frankly makes more sense than reworking a 9 year old game. 

MMOs don´t lastforever, at least not with a massive amount of players but sequels might bring back the old fans whille keeping the current, and a Wow 2 would take at least 5 years to make so using your talented people for that instead of fixing up Wow have a lot more potential.

Even if Wow did all the changes Bill suggests I still doubt it would keep being big for more than 5 years more. Wow 2 on the other hand have the potential to make Blizzard rich the next 10 years after launch.

  Homitu

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Joined: 10/01/09
Posts: 2026

7/07/12 6:41:57 AM#76

I agree with most others who said it's simply impossible for a game you've played for years to feel "new" again.  Rather, what I think you have to hope for as a veteran player is that the new expansion content and updates to old content can instill you with a sense of strong nostalgia.  That can keep old players playing for a bit longer and make the game feel fresh.

World PvP

What occured in Hillsbrad in classic WoW was quite astonishing and, I think, completely unpredicted by Blizzard.  I don't think there was any conscious intent to create a pvp-centric contested zone; yet pvp on a grand scale for players of all levels occured there, universally across all severs.  I think it's worth examining--by blizzard and any other MMO company who would like to fascilitate world PvP--exactly what elements coalesced in that zone that made it so conducive to PvP, and then try to replicate them.  

  Bladestrom

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Joined: 4/04/11
Posts: 3127

7/07/12 7:34:59 AM#77
I recently had a fancy to play again after a long break and got as far as installing, but was faced with the question - what is the point?

Issues:

I'm a 1 character pve man, so all the new questing content is meaningless.

I will never return to the hardcore raiding scene, however this means i will never be competitive against a similar skilled player.
And this is the nub of the matter, the game is entirely gear centric. Being casual means being 2nd tier in terms of competitive edge, I may have x skill and make up some of the gap between the max tier of gear available to me and top of the game, and beat some players with better gear, but in balance I will mostly have a poor experience where I will be beaten because I have a gear disadvantage.

An interesting comparison I make is with gw1 - in that game I am a newbie in relative terms to the core player base and yet because it is not gear centric I can compete and have fun.

It's a pity I would enjoy playing wow casually for a few months.

rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW (1000 hrs on main mage)> oblivion > LOTR (480 Hunter) > Rift (230 hours mage) > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(900 elementalist)

Now playing Wildstar, AOW 3

  Indol

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7/07/12 8:16:34 AM#78

I honestly can't imagine why someone would still play world of warcraft.

  jdlamson75

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There's some lovely filth down here.

7/07/12 12:12:58 PM#79

Haven't even considered playing WoW again, pandas or no.  It's like an ex-girlfriend - there's a reason you broke up to begin with.  It's best to not go back.

  Kniknax

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7/07/12 12:38:18 PM#80

Mentoring: SOE added this to EQ2 years before Rift (and Scott Hartsman from Rift was overseeing EQ2 when it came in). Credit where credits due and all that.

"When people don't know much about something, they tend to fill in the blanks the way they want them to be filled in. They are almost always disappointed." - Will Wright

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