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  Reklaw

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7/06/12 12:42:28 AM#41
Originally posted by Kost

Why on earth would anyone consider this to be good?

McQuaid was the worst thing that ever happened to Vanguard, and the game didn't start to rise in popularity until his departure and Sigil being snatched up by SOE.

Not good imho, he should have stayed wherever he was.

 It would not be good to put McQuaid into the position he had when he was CEO of Sigil, that was purely a function he should not have gotten, he's a gamedesigner and should stick with that only.

  GTwander

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7/06/12 12:46:31 AM#42
Originally posted by PyrateLV

Has he kicked his Cocaine habit this time around?

You saying that's a face we can't trust?

Shame on you!

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  Carl132p

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7/06/12 12:50:52 AM#43

 

what I want to know, is where is shit like that about the behind the scenes at the NGE

It doesn't exist because it went as planned and promptly sucked.

  teakbois

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7/06/12 12:57:37 AM#44
Originally posted by Carl132p

 

what I want to know, is where is shit like that about the behind the scenes at the NGE

It doesn't exist because it went as planned and promptly sucked.

planned by who?  this is the big secret nobody knows.  

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  Shoju

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7/06/12 7:02:15 AM#45

If SOE ever decides to give Brad the boot I hope they take him out into the carpark to do it.

  gbooster

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7/06/12 1:08:21 PM#46

Is this real life?

This has to be some top notch trolling by SOE. After years of giving Vanguard supporters the Big Middle Finger they announce they are bringing back... Brad McQuaid??

Ok, this game is already the greatest failure of any big MMO release in history, so I guess it can't really get any worse. And Brad does have some great ideas about how the game should be played/run... but after two years of completely ignoring the game...  this is like...wtf

  Sovrath

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7/06/12 1:12:38 PM#47
Originally posted by Kost

Why on earth would anyone consider this to be good?

McQuaid was the worst thing that ever happened to Vanguard, and the game didn't start to rise in popularity until his departure and Sigil being snatched up by SOE.

Not good imho, he should have stayed wherever he was.

Other than being a bad business man and perhaps manager how is he horrible? He designed Vangaurd. If anything, most of his designs were, in my opinion, very good.

 

  Andravius

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7/06/12 1:19:43 PM#48

SOE bought the game because of BM's connectiont to eq1.  My guess is he had some high ranking friends in the SOE rank and file that convinced the others to bail BM out.

No SOE did not buy the game to keep it off the market.  SOE could have done that without revealing they bought the code and ip.  SOE would have never even hinted they did that and probably would have put in some kind of NDC to keep anyone from blabbing about the purchase.  Companies do that all the time.

Vanguard never was a threat to the EQ series.  If it was the game would be going like gang busters.  At best IF the FTP works SOE will have a niche game on their hands like DCUO and FR.  Will not have a large population.   Just enough to turn a profit that's respectable enough to keep the server on.

The murder of SWG was committed by Lucas Arts, possibly by George himself.  LA couldn't get past their ego's(or George's) that the ip should be greater than WOW(it isn't).  My guess is LA forced SOE to do the NGE.  SOE  faced the revokation of the rights to the ip to do a mmorpg.  I've worked in the software industry and know that the person that wants and pays for the code being written has the whip hand.  My guess:   the fault is 90% LA, 10% SOE.  TOR bears my suspicions out that LA forced the NGE on SOE.  The game is basically NGE 2.0.  The same percentage applies between LA and BW.

As to BM's return:  the man did help produce Evercrack.  If SOE can keep him drug free and give him a reality check to his ideas, then the game might amount to something and be successful.

 

IMO on all this.

  teakbois

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7/06/12 1:25:54 PM#49
Originally posted by gbooster

Is this real life?

This has to be some top notch trolling by SOE. After years of giving Vanguard supporters the Big Middle Finger they announce they are bringing back... Brad McQuaid??

Ok, this game is already the greatest failure of any big MMO release in history, so I guess it can't really get any worse. And Brad does have some great ideas about how the game should be played/run... but after two years of completely ignoring the game...  this is like...wtf

Not only did SoE bring back McQuaid, they brought back a lot of the people responsible for fixing up VG.  It means they feel confident enough that after the success of EQ2 f2p that its worthwhile to make the investment, and they are obviously serious about it.

  Khayotix

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7/06/12 2:23:38 PM#50

Brad Mcquaid was a horrible CEO yes, that is undeniable, but the fact that he has owned up saying that it was all his fault and shoulders the responsibility shows integrity, when truthfully alot of the issues were caused by a regime change at Microsoft and MS no longer seeing eye to eye about the game. All in all As a boss he isnt great.

As an MMO Developer, Brad is a visionary, His ideas were what made vanguard, Himself, Steve Clover, and Bill Trost were the visionaries that created the granddaddy of 3d MMO's Everquest still the most challenging and arguably the greatest mmo ever made. His Ideas were always amazing and always worth their weight in gold.

SOE did not do anything to harm Vanguard, It fixed it as well as they could and made it playable, without them, non of you people who love VG or even tried it would have ever gotten the chance.

 

Finally I hope they place him on the Everquest Next team as a developer, to bring his vision, and his experience with the world to forge a new one, more intricate and amazing than the original. He is an invaluable asset to SOE and they would be fools not to.

 

I love how everyone likes to focus on things they dont agree with or feel others did wrong, and you all throw stones thinking you are any better! He made mistakes, SOE has made mistakes, They have both learned from them, just like any other person. You all forget all the good they did, what they brought into this world, the fun and amazing things they have provided. But most of you are unreasonable and think you can do no wrong, and no matter how much good they do, you will always be butt hurt about the past, however miniscule it really was.

  Pyuk

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7/06/12 2:25:21 PM#51

Did he bring copious amounts of cocaine for everyone (alledgedly)? 

I make spreadsheets at work - I don't want to make them for the games I play.

  Pyuk

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7/06/12 2:28:28 PM#52
Originally posted by Andravius

SOE bought the game because of BM's connectiont to eq1.  My guess is he had some high ranking friends in the SOE rank and file that convinced the others to bail BM out.

No SOE did not buy the game to keep it off the market.  SOE could have done that without revealing they bought the code and ip.  SOE would have never even hinted they did that and probably would have put in some kind of NDC to keep anyone from blabbing about the purchase.  Companies do that all the time.

Vanguard never was a threat to the EQ series.  If it was the game would be going like gang busters.  At best IF the FTP works SOE will have a niche game on their hands like DCUO and FR.  Will not have a large population.   Just enough to turn a profit that's respectable enough to keep the server on.

The murder of SWG was committed by Lucas Arts, possibly by George himself.  LA couldn't get past their ego's(or George's) that the ip should be greater than WOW(it isn't).  My guess is LA forced SOE to do the NGE.  SOE  faced the revokation of the rights to the ip to do a mmorpg.  I've worked in the software industry and know that the person that wants and pays for the code being written has the whip hand.  My guess:   the fault is 90% LA, 10% SOE.  TOR bears my suspicions out that LA forced the NGE on SOE.  The game is basically NGE 2.0.  The same percentage applies between LA and BW.

As to BM's return:  the man did help produce Evercrack.  If SOE can keep him drug free and give him a reality check to his ideas, then the game might amount to something and be successful.

 

IMO on all this.

This is quite possibly one of the most itelligent posts I've seen on MMORPG.com in a very long time. Well played, sir, well played.

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  Xthos

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7/06/12 2:48:58 PM#53

Usually the people that have vision/ideas for things are the worst people you can actually put in charge of things...Sounds like thats what happend with VG.

 

I do not like their f2p model, but VG was one of my top 5 mmos of all time, left when their admission of not working on the pvp side, till pve was done (which means never) killed off the pvp server.

 

I was looking forward to playing again, but I probably wont unless they start coming out with a lot of content or something...Which if everyone does, it will fail, since people have to have faith, but I can't take the leap, since I have bought TSW/GW2, unless I dislike both of them or something....Then maybe I will reconsider the leap.

 

 

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7/06/12 3:11:33 PM#54

Just sub to the station access and play all SOE games with gold membership for the price of 1.

  Flaming_MMO

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7/06/12 3:24:08 PM#55

Interesting how he has been back with SOE since February but we are only finding out about it now.   Hopefully means he was hard at work on Vanguard all that time and FTP is about to hit hopefully sometime this month.

  Nadia

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7/06/12 4:07:40 PM#56
Originally posted by Andravius

SOE bought the game because of BM's connectiont to eq1.  My guess is he had some high ranking friends in the SOE rank and file that convinced the others to bail BM out.

No SOE did not buy the game to keep it off the market.  SOE could have done that without revealing they bought the code and ip.  SOE would have never even hinted they did that and probably would have put in some kind of NDC to keep anyone from blabbing about the purchase.  Companies do that all the time.

agree -- straight from the press release  (May 2006),  MGS = Microsoft Game Studios

http://www.silkyvenom.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3611

“As the (Vanguard) development process is ongoing and constantly shifting, it became clear that MGS and Sigil had varying visions and direction for the title’s development,” said Brad McQuaid, CEO of Sigil Games Online. “In the best interest of Vanguard, it was decided that we would buy back the publishing rights from Microsoft.”

 

Sigil went with SOE for publisher because their original pubisher, Microsoft, had different goals

 

a year later, May 2007,

SOE bought Sigil because Sigil was a failing ship

  teakbois

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7/06/12 4:25:53 PM#57
Originally posted by Flaming_MMO

Interesting how he has been back with SOE since February but we are only finding out about it now.   Hopefully means he was hard at work on Vanguard all that time and FTP is about to hit hopefully sometime this month.

Earlier this year the community manager was being very cryptic about things she couldnt fully announce, and that several old faces were back on staff.  There was specualtion then McQuaid was back, but they kept things hush hush, which pissed off the community.  Probably smart marketing, as waiting to announce McQuiads return close to the f2p launch will spark more interested.  If it was announced in Feb people would have forgotten about it by now.

  Zorgo

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7/06/12 8:28:08 PM#58
Originally posted by Carl132p
Originally posted by ace80k
Originally posted by Kost

Why on earth would anyone consider this to be good?

McQuaid was the worst thing that ever happened to Vanguard, and the game didn't start to rise in popularity until his departure and Sigil being snatched up by SOE.

Not good imho, he should have stayed wherever he was.

What an ignorant post. Say what you will, but MMOs wouldn't be what they are today without Brad Mcquad.

Your post is the ignorant one bro. The entire reason Vanguard launched so poorly can be attributed to that dumbass. They promised an enormous amount of content on release and probably could have done it had his, coke snorting piece of shit, self not decided proper developer tools were unnecessary in game development. 

Speaking to "MMOs wouldn't be what they are today without Brad" Well there were three major mmos at the time of everquest, We had UO, AC, and EQ, Of the three EQ was the only one to turn in to a gear treadmill raider game and thats what mmo's are today for the most part, Thanks but no thanks brad.

It did have an enormous amount of content.....you seem completely ignorant of the reason behind its failure. One word, 'performance'.

The coke thing came from one disgruntled employee. There have been no other confirmations of that, even from other disgruntled employees.

I may be wrong about this, but I'm pretty darn sure that Brad was gone by PoP, the expansion most point to as the 'gear grind solidified' expansion.

But like it or not, I doubt this genre would be here at all without EQ. UO and AC were in a fair fight and they lost. They didn't get to set the tone of the movement, I'm sorry. But there is a movement - and for that we should thank Brad. For without him, who even knows if this site would exist and we could debate the merits of mmo's at all.

Simple fact is that EQ attracted numbers that made business take note. The other two didn't. More people liked EQ, so that became the model. Those who didn't like that model were simply in the minority. The argument that EQ should not have defined the genre is just a way of saying, 'i don't like having the minority opinion because I get less of what I want'. But many don't realize this and instead say stuff like, 'No players of mmos like what the genre has become'.

Well, there is some accountant looking at the pre-EQ numbers of less than 50 to 100,000 subs. Then they look at EQ at its hieght with 500,000 subs. Then look at the post-wow subs of up to 12 million. That accountant thinks you can't do math. What we have attracts tens of millions. What we had attracted tens of thousands. Face facts, people like the current model.

==========

But I mostly responded here to state unequivocly for the record:

Brad failed at business management. This is the reason VG failed. He couldn't manage time people or money in such a way to get the product polished by release. But there's no doubt, it is still a diamond, just not a polished one.  The reason VG is still alive at all is because, VG is still one of the best mmo's ever made from a creative perspective. And that was the part Brad shined at.

I am positive Brad's role will be in the creative department. No one will let him hold the purse strings ever again.

 

  Xthos

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7/07/12 12:17:39 AM#59
Originally posted by William12

Just sub to the station access and play all SOE games with gold membership for the price of 1.

 I am looking forward to EQ3, so not a SoE hater, but they have no games I want to sub to or play, other than maybe VG, I would still like to see a return of the PvP server, and more content before that even.

PS2 looks like it may be good, so maybe if it has something in the gold membership it would be a good move, but no idea on that, on two levels, me liking PS2, and it having something in the membership.

 

  Torgrim

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7/07/12 5:28:41 AM#60

Can't we all be just happy that VG is risen from the grave?

I for one is happy, even if it's Brad he still had plenty of innovating ideas some good some bad and the good once whent into the game, like the mini game of crafting and diplomacy.

Now when VG going F2P SOE will put out more content and fix old ones, true SOEs F2P model is really crappy but it has worked with the other titles it uses for some odd reason.

If it's not broken, you are not innovating.

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