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  Valua

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7/04/12 1:32:48 PM#121
Originally posted by newbinator

There is no chance GW2 will sell more copies than MoP. And it doesn't have to. It doesn't need 10 million+ players to be successful.

True. It only needs to sell 10 million+ copies to be mega successful ;)

  Phry

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7/04/12 1:32:51 PM#122

I dont think its possible for GW2 to really sell even half as many boxes as MoP.. its yet another long awaited expansion for WoW after all, and every WoW player out there is probably already saving their pennies up ready to buy it, even on pre-order, its one of the few 'sure things' there is, GW2 may sell over a million, it might even sell 2 million, though personally i really doubt it has that potential, MoP however should more than treble that figure just using NA + Euroland figures. GW2 isnt the next WoW. i don't think that was ever on the cards.

  newbinator

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7/04/12 1:34:01 PM#123
Originally posted by slickbizzle

Warcraft has a ton of people that multi-box. So for every 1 person that does that, he buys 5 copies of the game.  Kind of hard to compete with that.   I still think GW2 will sell a decent amount though IF they do some massive marketing.

 

It does not have a "ton" of multiboxers. Just because you've seen a few streams of people doing it, doesn't mean it's common. I very rarely see multiboxers in WoW. They are easily less than 1% of the playerbase.

  VengeSunsoar

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7/04/12 1:35:17 PM#124
Originally posted by Sebber
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by Sebber

 

Which is very far off WoW's 50-80 million box sales.

/facepalm

Even if you do it the wrong way with is 12 millions players times 4 (Vanila, BC, Wrath And Cata), it doesn't even add up to 50 millions.

If you do it the correct way as we are speaking about NA and EU.

4 millions( around the number of subs atm) times 4(expansions) = 16 million + 10 millions (for people who left), you will get 26 millions.

 

 50-80 million is the number of people that have bought/tried WoW just like 6-7 million is the number of people that have bought tried GW1.  Neither number is the number of current players. 

WoW has stated a 30% retention, at 12 million players that is a minimum of 40 million boxes sold.

And then Asia left the building, im not saying that wow did not sell 50-80 million copies but they did not sell them all in NA and EU.

 I didn't say they did either.  But others were comparing the GW1 selling 6-7 million on the world market.  They did not sell that many in NA and EU.  Lets compare the same things.

Either active players of GW with active players of WoW or boxes of GW with boxes of WoW in the same defined geographic area.

 

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  Sebber

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OP  7/04/12 1:40:31 PM#125
Originally posted by Valua
Originally posted by Sebber
Originally posted by Valua
Originally posted by Indol

If you don't include the Chinese sales of MoP, this question becomes bit of a joke.

 

GW2 will probably have more success in the western world than MoP.

 

You can't underestimate having no monthly fee.

 

There is no way GW2 will sell more than 2 million boxes, and even that is a high number.

 

WoW will sell an easy 3 million in western markets, possibly even 4 million.

 

If we include Asia, GW2 might hit 3 million overall, Pandaria will hit 8 million overall.

 

These are my predictions.

You have much to learn if you think that GW2 is only going to sell 2 million copies.

 

I have much to learn? Clearly you are a fanboy who thinks your favorite game will outsell everything.

 

I've done my market research, if we take WoW out of the equation (as we should, because it's leagues ahead of GW2 playerbase wise) then we look at the sales of recent MMO's.

 

First I'll look at a massively successful single player game, Skyrim, which has around 1.5 million PC sales.

 

Rift, which has very little marketing sold around 1 million copies.

 

The Old Republic (which had much more marketing than GW2) sold 2 million. 

 

 

 

Now, tell me where you get your sales figures from?

 

Does GW2 have a massive following? Not really, not as much as The Elder Scrolls or Star Wars.

 

Does it have a massive marketing budget? Again, no, nowhere near EA's for The Old Republic, but more than Rift's probably. 

 

I've made a well educated guess on sales. Whereas a lot of people on this thread haven't. Just because they enjoy a game they believe it will sell more copies than the bible.

 

The point I'm trying to make is, unless it is a Blizzard game, it is very, very hard to sell more than 2 million PC games.

 

 

Edit; Also, I was talking about western markets alone. If we take into account of Asia, then it will sell 3-5 million overall. Whereas Pandaria overall will sell 5-9 million.

So the only selling point is if the game is made by a big company? Ohh seems legit.... Ohh and the game is Published by NCSOFT, so yes they have fuck ton of money.


The game is great and it's cheap. In the beta's there was 100 yes 100 servers, with atleast 5.000 people on each server. Hmm so that mean that since you have to buy the game to get into the beta there is already sold 500.000 copies. HMM, on Vgchart there is 182,444 pre-orders in the USA, and Guild Wars have a large following in the EU.

So if add those numbers up we have 500.000 who have already bought the game, plus 182.000 in the USA who have pre-ordered and then we add lets say 100.000 people from the EU we have.

 

500.000 + 182.000 + 100.000 = 782.000 people. See, if you think the game is not going to sell over 2 million copies you are blind.

 

  terrant

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7/04/12 1:43:57 PM#126
Originally posted by Valua

The people who pressed "GW2 will sell way more" are SERIOUSLY deluded.

 

I'd be surprised if GW2 sells even half of Pandaria in EU/NA.

 

If we take asisa into accounts then GW2 will be lucky to sell 1/10th of WoW's box sales.

Look, I love me some GW2, and I have to agree with this.

 

Wow in its present state (which is a bit of a decline) has ten times the number of subscribers as GW2 has had pre-orders. Doesn't mean it's the better game any more than McDonald's is better than that fancy burger place down the street.MdConald's is more accessible and people know it. 

  tank017

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7/04/12 1:46:00 PM#127
Wow It still has 10mil subs, plus added players due to the expansion
  User Deleted
7/04/12 1:47:06 PM#128
Originally posted by Sebber
Originally posted by Valua
Originally posted by Sebber
Originally posted by Valua
Originally posted by Indol

So the only selling point is if the game is made by a big company? Ohh seems legit.... Ohh and the game is Published by NCSOFT.


The game is great and it's cheap. In the beta's there was 100 yes 100 servers, with atleast 5.000 people on each server. Hmm so that mean that since you have to buy the game to get into the beta there is already sold 500.000 copies. HMM, on Vgchart there is 182,444 pre-orders in the USA, and Guild Wars have a large following in the EU.

So if add those numbers up we have 500.000 who have already bought the game, plus 182.000 in the USA who have pre-ordered and then we add lets say 100.000 people from the EU we have.

 

500.000 + 182.000 + 100.000 = 782.000 people. See, if you think the game is not going to sell over 2 million copies you are blind.

 

1- Not all the servers where full and not everybody who played beta will buy.

2- LOL Vgchart

3- 100000 are completly accurate.

  Valua

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7/04/12 1:47:24 PM#129
Originally posted by Sebber
Originally posted by Valua
Originally posted by Sebber
Originally posted by Valua
Originally posted by Indol

If you don't include the Chinese sales of MoP, this question becomes bit of a joke.

 

GW2 will probably have more success in the western world than MoP.

 

You can't underestimate having no monthly fee.

 

There is no way GW2 will sell more than 2 million boxes, and even that is a high number.

 

WoW will sell an easy 3 million in western markets, possibly even 4 million.

 

If we include Asia, GW2 might hit 3 million overall, Pandaria will hit 8 million overall.

 

These are my predictions.

You have much to learn if you think that GW2 is only going to sell 2 million copies.

 

I have much to learn? Clearly you are a fanboy who thinks your favorite game will outsell everything.

 

I've done my market research, if we take WoW out of the equation (as we should, because it's leagues ahead of GW2 playerbase wise) then we look at the sales of recent MMO's.

 

First I'll look at a massively successful single player game, Skyrim, which has around 1.5 million PC sales.

 

Rift, which has very little marketing sold around 1 million copies.

 

The Old Republic (which had much more marketing than GW2) sold 2 million. 

 

 

 

Now, tell me where you get your sales figures from?

 

Does GW2 have a massive following? Not really, not as much as The Elder Scrolls or Star Wars.

 

Does it have a massive marketing budget? Again, no, nowhere near EA's for The Old Republic, but more than Rift's probably. 

 

I've made a well educated guess on sales. Whereas a lot of people on this thread haven't. Just because they enjoy a game they believe it will sell more copies than the bible.

 

The point I'm trying to make is, unless it is a Blizzard game, it is very, very hard to sell more than 2 million PC games.

 

 

Edit; Also, I was talking about western markets alone. If we take into account of Asia, then it will sell 3-5 million overall. Whereas Pandaria overall will sell 5-9 million.

So the only selling point is if the game is made by a big company? Ohh seems legit.... Ohh and the game is Published by NCSOFT.


The game is great and it's cheap. In the beta's there was 100 yes 100 servers, with atleast 5.000 people on each server. Hmm so that mean that since you have to buy the game to get into the beta there is already sold 500.000 copies. HMM, on Vgchart there is 182,444 pre-orders in the USA, and Guild Wars have a large following in the EU.

So if add those numbers up we have 500.000 who have already bought the game, plus 182.000 in the USA who have pre-ordered and then we add lets say 100.000 people from the EU we have.

 

500.000 + 182.000 + 100.000 = 782.000 people. See, if you think the game is not going to sell over 2 million copies you are blind.

 

 

I've also got a feeling that more than half of MMO players pre-order/pre-purchase any game they might play.

 

So yes, lets double the number you've brought up, and we have just less than 2 million.

 

Now lets add the few non MMO players that will buy the game and we have around 2million copies, or just over 2million, sales.

 

So yes, I still believe the game will sell around 2 million copies in EU/NA.

  Sebber

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OP  7/04/12 1:50:53 PM#130
Originally posted by FredomSekerZ
Originally posted by Sebber
Originally posted by Valua
Originally posted by Sebber
Originally posted by Valua
Originally posted by Indol

So the only selling point is if the game is made by a big company? Ohh seems legit.... Ohh and the game is Published by NCSOFT.


The game is great and it's cheap. In the beta's there was 100 yes 100 servers, with atleast 5.000 people on each server. Hmm so that mean that since you have to buy the game to get into the beta there is already sold 500.000 copies. HMM, on Vgchart there is 182,444 pre-orders in the USA, and Guild Wars have a large following in the EU.

So if add those numbers up we have 500.000 who have already bought the game, plus 182.000 in the USA who have pre-ordered and then we add lets say 100.000 people from the EU we have.

 

500.000 + 182.000 + 100.000 = 782.000 people. See, if you think the game is not going to sell over 2 million copies you are blind.

 

1- Not all the servers where full and not everybody who played beta will buy.

2- LOL Vgchart

3- 100000 are completly accurate.

1.

The people in the beta already bought the game, and yes the servers were not all full but then again not all who pre-purchased the game was in the beta.

2.

Vgchart have their numbers from somewhere so the game have ATLEAST 182.000 pre-orders in the USA.

3.

Yes i think the number is higher aswell, 100.000 i pretty low btw.

  VengeSunsoar

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7/04/12 1:54:33 PM#131

It probalby will sell 2+ million but again you asked for just NA and EU, so what percentage of that will be NA and EU?

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  Sebber

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OP  7/04/12 1:56:05 PM#132
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

It probalby will sell 2+ million but again you asked for just NA and EU, so what percentage of that will be NA and EU?

Ehh 100 %?, the game does not launch in Asia.

  laserit

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7/04/12 1:58:12 PM#133

Is there a time line after release that the boxes can be sold in?

MOP is the first WoW expansion that I wont buy, Cata was the last one I will ever buy.

 I wonder how many there are like me?

I made a double sided USB cable and I plugged my Console into my PC... or did I plug my PC into my Console? Anyway I can now play Console games on my PC! and play PC games on my Console!

FRIGGING AWESOME!

  VengeSunsoar

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7/04/12 2:03:20 PM#134

By Asia do you just mean China?  or do you mean Korea and Japan as well, india, russia...  What about Australia, Indonesia...?

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  Xstatic912

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7/04/12 2:03:55 PM#135
Ok guild wars 2 had the potential to sell between 2-4 mil before the year is out, but can they do it... Sure but they need good marketing.. I remember seeing D3 commercial on theater screen and I was like thats reaching audience right there..

Will NCsoft push Gw2 like that, maybe.. See they will look at it and say most from the first guild wars will make the transition over, that alone is more than a mil in box sales..

Mists on the other hand, forget it.. Its blizz we are talking about here.. They go to ends to let person know of there product.. I don't think they will break D3 sale speed record, but they will move around 2mil + in 3 days or less... Its just amazing how big and faithful blizz fans are.. You would think pc gaming is profitable for most dev's...
  Sebber

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OP  7/04/12 2:05:49 PM#136
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

By Asia do you just mean China?  or do you mean Korea and Japan as well, india, russia...  What about Australia, Indonesia...?

Asia, Australia, Africa, there is not going to be any server there.

  VengeSunsoar

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7/04/12 2:07:22 PM#137
Originally posted by Sebber
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

By Asia do you just mean China?  or do you mean Korea and Japan as well, india, russia...  What about Australia, Indonesia...?

Asia, Australia, Africa, there is not going to be any server there.

Gotcha so we can say for the initial launch period at least all sales are limited to NA and EU.  Any info on when that changes?  I can't see this not being sold in Korea.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  Sebber

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OP  7/04/12 2:10:43 PM#138
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by Sebber
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

By Asia do you just mean China?  or do you mean Korea and Japan as well, india, russia...  What about Australia, Indonesia...?

Asia, Australia, Africa, there is not going to be any server there.

Gotcha so we can say for the initial launch period at least all sales are limited to NA and EU.  Any info on when that changes?  I can't see this not being sold in Korea.

Not really, the release date came last week and there haven't been any news about it.

  Ambros123

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7/04/12 2:12:45 PM#139

Hmm tough call, I'm with GW2 by a pretty big margin.  WoW has dried up especially in NA and EU, many are tired of the WoW formula which many companies have modeled their MMO after.  Especially with the diverse market now I don't think WoW will be the collosal hit that it once was.  Ever since SWTOR WoW's greatness has been and will be on a steady decline which only the "Titan" project might bring back many former consumers.

  Zinzan

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Posts: 1368

7/04/12 2:12:53 PM#140
Originally posted by laserit

Is there a time line after release that the boxes can be sold in?

MOP is the first WoW expansion that I wont buy, Cata was the last one I will ever buy.

 I wonder how many there are like me?

+1 Cata was the last WoW expansion i'll ever buy, MoP doesn't excite me at all.

Expresso gave me a Hearthstone beta key.....I'm so happy :)

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