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News & Features Discussion  » Vanguard: Saga of Heroes: All About F2P

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Posts: 197

7/04/12 11:18:27 AM#101

This is not F2P at all so I'm not even going to bother with it.


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Joined: 5/30/11
Posts: 628

7/04/12 11:19:12 AM#102

Those limitations are pretty much exactly the same as EQ2's which drove me away from that game. 


Nothing like paying to play EQ2, logging back in a few weeks later (sub expired) and having all your gear and such being unusable. 


Such an epic failure F2P model.  Game is dead, will remain dead.

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7/04/12 11:34:17 AM#103

The matrix looks way to limiting compared to EQ2.

EQ2 allows housing and fishing to bronze.Also EQ2 allows I believe 20g per level,so if your character is a 40 they could have 8 plat.That's just on 1 character also.You're really going to be hindered when crafting also,because of lack of bag space.

Looks like any notion I had to tinker with this game just went out the window.Oh well there's many many games to play atm anyway.


Advanced Member

Joined: 10/13/09
Posts: 337

7/04/12 11:47:18 AM#104

I'm disapointed. That's all I have to say.


Novice Member

Joined: 6/03/09
Posts: 2

7/04/12 12:18:18 PM#105

One simple word will kill this model:  performance.

Vanguard is a beautiful game world, with arguably some f the best art and rendering available in an MMO.

But even with years of hardware improvements, running the game on high settings is difficult.

And the never solved problem of "hitching" will drive off anyone that was not desensitized to the problem years ago.  Any kid that can run Skyrim smoothly then logs onto Vanguard will be thinking "WTF?", followed by uninstall.



Apprentice Member

Joined: 3/04/04
Posts: 306

7/04/12 1:51:38 PM#106
Originally posted by remyburke

Common gear = bad idea.


So close to being acceptable otherwise. Shame.

Totally agree! I can handle all the other restrictions, but common gear, please!


Novice Member

Joined: 4/25/08
Posts: 15

7/04/12 2:17:53 PM#107

Was ok with the matrix untill I saw the restricted to common items.. That blows MAJOR ass.


Advanced Member

Joined: 8/06/04
Posts: 200

7/04/12 2:45:15 PM#108

The structure of this so-called "F2P" offering is so typical of SOE. Time has shown that they will never change from the greedy, disconnected corporate trash that theyshow themselves to be.

Playing: GW2 & Robocraft


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Joined: 12/03/11
Posts: 1109

7/04/12 2:52:14 PM#109
Originally posted by Kenze

the Vanguard community is NOT going to be welcoming to f2p users.  they should open a New server(no xfers) when the game goes F2P

WTF are you talking about,everyone i talk to are happy to have the FTP,many of us have been playing since release,their is nothing a FTP can get that we haven't already got.

We welcome FTP players.


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Joined: 2/01/12
Posts: 76

7/04/12 2:53:38 PM#110

if you can't afford $15 a month or $20 for ALL their games, or even less than $15 if you pick and choose, you should probably think about getting a job instead of playing video games.

I'm not talking about anyone speficially so this can't fall under the heading of personal attack.


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Joined: 12/03/11
Posts: 1109

7/04/12 2:54:38 PM#111
Originally posted by Beiloch

if you can't afford $15 a month or $20 for ALL their games, or even less than $15 if you pick and choose, you should probably think about getting a job instead of playing video games.

I'm not talking about anyone speficially so this can't fall under the heading of personal attack.

I have to agree with this to be honest.


Advanced Member

Joined: 5/26/05
Posts: 789

This Rabbit stinks!

7/04/12 4:11:20 PM#112

Thats what the last nail being pounded into the coffin sounds like.


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Joined: 8/21/10
Posts: 1742

7/04/12 4:34:55 PM#113
Originally posted by Beiloch

if you can't afford $15 a month or $20 for ALL their games, or even less than $15 if you pick and choose, you should probably think about getting a job instead of playing video games.

I'm not talking about anyone speficially so this can't fall under the heading of personal attack.

you dont live in america do you. Our jobless rate is astronomical right now

reviews are !@#$ing stupid. Play what you love.


Novice Member

Joined: 5/20/04
Posts: 825

You only live once... make it count!

7/04/12 4:59:53 PM#114

I am considering subbing when FTP begins (to have more people to play with), but I think the structure for this FTP is PATHETIC. If I wasn't intending to sub I would not consider wasting my time on the FTP portion with all of the restrictions in place.


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Joined: 6/10/09
Posts: 7122

7/04/12 7:17:17 PM#115
Originally posted by Beiloch

if you can't afford $15 a month or $20 for ALL their games, or even less than $15 if you pick and choose, you should probably think about getting a job instead of playing video games.

I'm not talking about anyone speficially so this can't fall under the heading of personal attack.

I can afford $15 a month for more than one game.  This game isn't worth $15 a month.  It may be worth a few bucks in SC here and there and maybe the odd month at Gold, but that's it at most.

If the F2P model were better I would play this off and on and then spend some money on it occasionally.  It's not about being able to afford the game, but the game being worth the same sub fee as some current games.

You see the game might be worth that $15/month to you and the 300 other people playing it currently, but to the other 15 million MMO gamers it isn't.  Get it now?


Advanced Member

Joined: 10/16/07
Posts: 618

7/04/12 7:39:24 PM#116
I think they have monkeys running the show over at SOE. Anyone with a little brain matter would know this FTP bullshit is a glorified trial. Not a new and exciting way to play the game. Shit pisses me off.

Advanced Member

Joined: 2/19/07
Posts: 1703

7/04/12 7:45:32 PM#117

Was looking forward to the conversion, but looking at the's a no-go for me.  The restrictions are horrible for a F2P.  They should have used a better model.



Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/29/11
Posts: 58

7/04/12 9:42:45 PM#118
I'm a subscriber and even I have to admit that the limitations to F2P players is ridiculous. I was hoping this would increase the popolation in-game, but alas, I now have doubts. Poor F2P model. Sad.

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Posts: 5274

7/04/12 9:55:56 PM#119
This is not f2p. There should be another name for games that give you access to 50% of the game unless you pay 15 bucks a month. With the quality I see in GW2 I cant see paying 15 bucks a month for any MMO.

Here is what I digest, same model VG wants to put out but let us upgrade for a 1 time fee of 60 bucks. Add new content in your item shop and make money for giving quality product, not for the right to log into the game. Really? Only gold membership can equip a weapon above common? I will pass, no thanks.

=-D Only on a forum can optimism be called the bad thing and pessimism is the good thing =-D


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Joined: 11/20/07
Posts: 2361

7/04/12 11:59:26 PM#120
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
This is not f2p. There should be another name for games that give you access to 50% of the game unless you pay 15 bucks a month. With the quality I see in GW2 I cant see paying 15 bucks a month for any MMO.


I agree - there needs to be different names for games that are "Free 2 Play" that run on different models. 

How about something like this;

Pay to win = P2W = old microtransaction model

Play to Earn = P2E = Games where you can earn points to buy content / items by playing

Freemium = Games with areas restricted to subscribers only.

Buy to Own = B2O =where you can buy zones / content / items and continue to own them even without a subscription.

Unlimited trial  = you can play up to a certain level.

So really, thinking about it there is a bit of overlap in some models...

For example

Wizard 101 is an Unlimited trial with Freemium / B2O option.

LotRO and DDO are P2E + Freemium / B2O games.

Unlimited trial would be AoC




As for SOE - yes they never really understood customers or "Free 2 Play".

They have experimented with it a lot and I believe they are trying to find the 'sweet spot' where they can maximise their revenue while not allowing players to have too much for free... while at the same time not driving them away... sucking them in to buy more.

This is what I believe they were doing with Pirates of the Burning Sea.  They constantly changed and meddled with the system and rules.  My belief is that they were seeing just how much they could squeeze players.

Interestingly - if you GOOGLE PotBS you get this:

Pirates of the Burning Sea » Home
Pirates of the Burning Sea™ is an MMORPG featuring high-seas action and adventure in a bold world of pirates and plunder. Set against the backdrop of the ...

Free to Play!

You can now play Pirates of the Burning Sea™ for free! No ...

Australia and New Zealand!

Pirates of the Burning Sea has now launched with a dedicated ...


Antigua - Roberts - General Discussion - The Map Table - First

Captain's Club members

Those players who are not Captain's Club members can purchase ...

Download Installer

Download Installer. Click the above button to download the ...


Purchase Pirates of the Burning Sea! Wax Seal Decoration ...

And following those links is interesting because if you follow those links it's hard to get the correct information:

The "Free to Play" link doesn't tell you what you get (and more importantly DON'T get) for your money?

The "Australia and New Zealand!" link - links to BigPond which is more than 2 years out of date.  BigPond no longer have any involvement with PotBS.

The "Store" lists "Pirates of the Burning Sea is a subscription based MMO."!

It also directs people to the Steam Store - which is yet another dead end.


All this is typical of SOE marketing

...and before anyone says "But that is an FLS page!" yes, but SOE (are supposed to) do marketing and billing) so you would think someone from either company (FLS or SOE) would be on the ball about this?

This link talks about the development of "F2P" with regard to PotBS and there are some interesting insights in there.

It seems to me that PotBS was a F2P experiment for SOE (in partnership with FLS).  They really had little to no idea how it would work - or what players were prepared to pay for - or what players were prepared to put up with!

It also didn't help that PotBS was an Instanced Lobby Game.


But SOE didn't really care about that.  IMHO they were more concerned with making the "F2P" model work and more importantly - turn a profit!

Years later - they are still trying to emulate companies like Turbine - but they won't.

Why not?

Because SOE doesn't understand what is important with regard to selling games.


It has to be fun.

And if it's an MMO it has to be long term fun.  Fun in a way that makes people want to log in regularly for days / weeks / months on end.  Fun that makes people want to keep returning to the game and think about it perhaps months after they played it last.

Because "F2P" will not save your game.  Not if it's a bad game to begin with and / or not if you make your F2P so limiting that people cannot enjoy it without the constant spectre of having to pay hanging over their head.

People will play F2P games (and even spend money on them!) if they can do so on their own terms without feeling any pressure to do so.

SOE simply doesn't get that.

Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.

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