Originally posted by chagarin

and to think i was looking forward to this. Shame.

this. Soe.. pathetic as always.

I was very looking forward to this . Now .... not at all . good job soe . you think they would have learned from EQ2 . anyways soe , catch up with the times or quit . 

Originally posted by remyburke

Common gear = bad idea.

 

So close to being acceptable otherwise. Shame.

Gamebreaker right there.  Another SOE clusterf%^&.

/shakes head at SOE and walks away sadly

f2p my ass.. in eq2 f2p chars are so gimp they arent even allowed by guilds to come on raids as the allowable gear sucks.  only reason to play vanguard is maybe for the housing and boats etc, which is also locked. sorry, I'll give this one a miss.

have a look at AION's f2p and learn from that to implement in everquest "next" - which i read is a low budget farmville on steroids game.. wtf soe...?

Originally posted by Xstatic912
Another quality F2P game.. talk about choices

yet another bad F2P conversion from SOE..... Free players get too many obvious limitations to be forced to pay for a gold sub?.... that sux.... Same happened with EQ2.... Why not follow the DCUO example instead which was awesomely successful

I was looking forward to the Everquest 2 FTP until I logged in and found I couldn't use bags that I'd got when I was a subscriber. Instantly uninstalled.

I was looking forward to the Vanguard FTP until I saw you can only equip commons. Won't bother playing now.

I am loking forward to Guild Wars 2 and may even spend some money in the shop as that is what a true FTP game should be.

I'm not too surprised, the EQ2 F2P was severely limiting, why wouldn't this be.

no psi? WTH :(

Originally posted by nukems

 you think they would have learned from EQ2 

They did.

The model works, regardless of how much posters on MMORPG.com complain about it.

The game right now, in the US, has 8 medium pop (400+) servers and 2 high pop (I think 1000+)

To compare, Rift in the US, shortly after its big 1.9 conquest patch, has 5 medium pop servers (also 400+) and 1 high pop server.  This is around 10 pm eastern.  Rift still has more players overall (it has 10 low pop servers and probably a few of those medium servers like Faeblight would be EQ high pop servers), but still the active player bases are comparable.

In addition, EQ2's community is still solid.  

The difference between a game like EQ2 and VG vs a game like L2 or Aion, is the game is good enough to warrant a sub.  The f2p model is designed to get people to play the game without worrying about when their trial limits will cut off their gameplay, and eventually many of these people sub.  

"common" gear and no fishing?

Why should that much even matter? I understand no housing and such, but christ!

Don't think I'm even gonna bother now...

this F2p is terrible, great job SOE. I guess they like to beat a dead horse, to shame, by implementing this crap of "f2p".

Originally posted by teakbois

Originally posted by nukems

 you think they would have learned from EQ2 

They did.

The model works, regardless of how much posters on MMORPG.com complain about it.

The game right now, in the US, has 8 medium pop (400+) servers and 2 high pop (I think 1000+)

To compare, Rift in the US, shortly after its big 1.9 conquest patch, has 5 medium pop servers (also 400+) and 1 high pop server.  This is around 10 pm eastern.  Rift still has more players overall (it has 10 low pop servers and probably a few of those medium servers like Faeblight would be EQ high pop servers), but still the active player bases are comparable.

In addition, EQ2's community is still solid.  

The difference between a game like EQ2 and VG vs a game like L2 or Aion, is the game is good enough to warrant a sub.  The f2p model is designed to get people to play the game without worrying about when their trial limits will cut off their gameplay, and eventually many of these people sub.  

L2 and Aion are bigger World Wide then Everquest 2 ever was or will ever be. The Free To Play standard has been set by NC Softs and anything less is something I wont even touch. I am just waiting to hear that Blade & Soul and Wild Star will also launch with the Truly Free Model. If Everquest 2 was good enough to warrent a sub then why did even go free to play in the first place? If Vanguard was good enough to have a sub then why has the game been almost dead and  on life support for years? 

The game is not worth $14.99 per month. Wasn't worth it when it was a subscription model, why do they follow the the economic model that every MMO should be $14.99 per month.

WoW is $14.99 per month and it is a high quality game that is actually worth it.

TSW is $14.99 per month, brand new, high quality and somewhat worth it.

Ryzom is $10.95 per month, $8.83 a month if you sign up for a year. Good price for that game.

I don't know who SOE thinks they are fooling by giving people these tight limits and then the GOLD membership option. Why can't I get a silver option for $4.95 per month that will give me a little more financial breathing room? If 3 MMO's were giving that middle of the road option, then I might say, "Hey, I can play 3 games for the price of one!" I would then keep all 3 going at the same time with the option to upgrade to a gold if I get really into it.

I would play Vanguard if I was 1) absolutely desparate to play an MMO or 2) some close friends were getting into it and that I wanted to spend time with them or 3) I had absolutely no other game to play. And all three of those will never, ever happen.  

On a postive note: the switch to f2p will allow old members to come back and revisit the game for free and new ones to try it out risk free. Both will jumpstart the community and will help the gameworld feel less desolate. Because the last time I played VG it was pretty lonely thar.

Originally posted by Mannish

 

 

L2 and Aion are bigger World Wide then Everquest 2 ever was or will ever be. 

But this is NA/EU we are talking about, so world wide isnt in the discussion.  I saw a post here indicating the peak population of L2 for the NA/EU region was 125k.  EQ2 had more than that when it went f2p.

L2 and Aion are not considered good games by the majority of the western market.

Originally posted by Mannish

Originally posted by teakbois

Originally posted by nukems

 you think they would have learned from EQ2 

They did.

The model works, regardless of how much posters on MMORPG.com complain about it.

The game right now, in the US, has 8 medium pop (400+) servers and 2 high pop (I think 1000+)

To compare, Rift in the US, shortly after its big 1.9 conquest patch, has 5 medium pop servers (also 400+) and 1 high pop server.  This is around 10 pm eastern.  Rift still has more players overall (it has 10 low pop servers and probably a few of those medium servers like Faeblight would be EQ high pop servers), but still the active player bases are comparable.

In addition, EQ2's community is still solid.  

The difference between a game like EQ2 and VG vs a game like L2 or Aion, is the game is good enough to warrant a sub.  The f2p model is designed to get people to play the game without worrying about when their trial limits will cut off their gameplay, and eventually many of these people sub.  

L2 and Aion are bigger World Wide then Everquest 2 ever was or will ever be. The Free To Play standard has been set by NC Softs and anything less is something I wont even touch. I am just waiting to hear that Blade & Soul and Wild Star will also launch with the Truly Free Model. If Everquest 2 was good enough to warrent a sub then why did even go free to play in the first place? If Vanguard was good enough to have a sub then why has the game been almost dead and  on life support for years? 

This is true.  I'm so hoping B&S and Wildstar are Truly Free.  I would probably play Aion as my main game if I could play a pve server.  NCSoft has *definitely* set the F2P standard.

Perfect World is another F2P model that is okay by me.  I can play the whole game, pay what I want and not feel compelled to subscribe.  It's still not as good as NCSoft's, but it's not bad.

The crappiest F2P models have to be SoE, Funcom, and Turbine.

I've tried them all and the limitations in EQ2 really take a lot of the fun out of the game for me.

edit:  Oh, and why would I waste my time on this game when there are better F2P games out now and coming up for release?

I was expecting a bit more than restricted trial access.  Scratch another off the "waiting for" list.

Originally posted by teakbois

Originally posted by Mannish

 

 

L2 and Aion are bigger World Wide then Everquest 2 ever was or will ever be. 

But this is NA/EU we are talking about, so world wide isnt in the discussion.  I saw a post here indicating the peak population of L2 for the NA/EU region was 125k.  EQ2 had more than that when it went f2p.

L2 and Aion are not considered good games by the majority of the western market.

I am not talking about the western market. We are talking about the quality of the games and if thats what we are doing then you measure there success World Wide.  World Of Warcraft had 15 million and still has over 10 Million. Should we not count that since most of those subs are not NA / EU?

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by Mannish

Originally posted by teakbois

Originally posted by nukems

 you think they would have learned from EQ2 

They did.

The model works, regardless of how much posters on MMORPG.com complain about it.

The game right now, in the US, has 8 medium pop (400+) servers and 2 high pop (I think 1000+)

To compare, Rift in the US, shortly after its big 1.9 conquest patch, has 5 medium pop servers (also 400+) and 1 high pop server.  This is around 10 pm eastern.  Rift still has more players overall (it has 10 low pop servers and probably a few of those medium servers like Faeblight would be EQ high pop servers), but still the active player bases are comparable.

In addition, EQ2's community is still solid.  

The difference between a game like EQ2 and VG vs a game like L2 or Aion, is the game is good enough to warrant a sub.  The f2p model is designed to get people to play the game without worrying about when their trial limits will cut off their gameplay, and eventually many of these people sub.  

L2 and Aion are bigger World Wide then Everquest 2 ever was or will ever be. The Free To Play standard has been set by NC Softs and anything less is something I wont even touch. I am just waiting to hear that Blade & Soul and Wild Star will also launch with the Truly Free Model. If Everquest 2 was good enough to warrent a sub then why did even go free to play in the first place? If Vanguard was good enough to have a sub then why has the game been almost dead and  on life support for years? 

This is true.  I'm so hoping B&S and Wildstar are Truly Free.  I would probably play Aion as my main game if I could play a pve server.  NCSoft has *definitely* set the F2P standard.

Perfect World is another F2P model that is okay by me.  I can play the whole game, pay what I want and not feel compelled to subscribe.  It's still not as good as NCSoft's, but it's not bad.

The crappiest F2P models have to be SoE, Funcom, and Turbine.

I've tried them all and the limitations in EQ2 really take a lot of the fun out of the game for me.

edit:  Oh, and why would I waste my time on this game when there are better F2P games out now and coming up for release?

I totally agree that I would rather play games from companys like Perfect World and G Potata because at least they dont restrict content. I dont see how people play these games where they cant do things like use auction house, world chat, choose any race or class, go to certain zones or areas, wear certain gear or limited to carrying only a small amout of gold or items. LMAO

Originally posted by Xstatic912
The whole idea is to give you a taste and hope that taste is enough to get you to pay for at least one month.. And in doing so, see the major difference between pay and free.. Lol it might work on some person

not much of a taste

was quite interested after reading about the FTP but after this article Vanguard is once more on ignore (former subscriber by the way)