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General Discussion  » My Opinion: Why WWIIOL is dead.

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  axishatr

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Joined: 11/03/08
Posts: 189

 
OP  9/19/12 1:29:17 PM#41

Ez=not ez but a crs kissy poo.

 

Can=CRS puppet (hc)

  axishatr

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OP  9/19/12 1:30:57 PM#42

Now you both can move along and "up vote" your steam circle jerk thing.  Not going to help, because the gaming community either doesn't know about wwiiol or does and thinks it's a joke.

 

But whatever passes the time for you.  God knows you can't play wwiiol.

  Canukplf

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Joined: 9/19/12
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9/19/12 1:40:21 PM#43

ahhhh muffin.

 

Lets break down your post..........wwwwaaaaaaaa  waaaaaaaaaaa, blah blah.....I got banned (which we all chuckled over) blah blah blah, followed by more waaaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaa.

 

You prob had a problem with space invaders when in first came out. If your even that old.

  Maxios

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Joined: 3/08/04
Posts: 7

9/19/12 2:07:37 PM#44
Originally posted by axishatr

I also was banned from the forums because I was a vocal leader of those that hated the bloody battles crap.  I am anti shoe box more than anyone. 

 

I am anti CRS all the way for what they have done to the game over the years. 

 

Thats all.

 

And I'd own you one on one.  Even with your EZ mode axis biased equipment (if you are axis, but you smell of piss so you must be)

Bronco is that you? 

 

Come join the fun!

.:: www.wwiionline.com ::.

  Company0

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Joined: 9/19/12
Posts: 38

9/19/12 3:00:00 PM#45

I think its time I jumped into the fray.

 

What I don't understand is why people think bashing CRS will do WWIIOL any good.

 

No CRS, no WWIIOL. CRS might survive without WWIIOL, but no one will buy up WWIIOL. 35% of that unwillingness to buy is probably the community, the other 65% just the scope of the game. RA generated interest again, so did kickstarter, but those here say Blegh. What is interest?

  kkelly9

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Joined: 2/09/12
Posts: 6

9/19/12 4:01:33 PM#46
Originally posted by axishatr

Now you both can move along and "up vote" your steam circle jerk thing.  Not going to help, because the gaming community either doesn't know about wwiiol or does and thinks it's a joke.

 

But whatever passes the time for you.  God knows you can't play wwiiol.

 

your obviously still able to read the forums there or on their facebook page, to know about the steam push. i see you've been unhappy with the game since 2009. why not just let it go and move onto another game? all gamers have their frustrations with the games they play, but when it becomes untolerable, as it has for you with ww2online, they move onto something they can be happy in again, and leave the old games in their past. im sure you've heard the old addage ' theres no such thing as bad publicity'. talk up the games you like, instead of the ones you dont.

p.s. as an example me and a buddy just started playing swtor after swearing it off because swg closed. but it has gotten old trying to get air rotated, and help from AHC on defense, so we start looking for something more fun and less frustrating. thats what you do. and the last two days in swtor trial has been a blast for us. if it continues that way, we wont be looking back.

 

  Sparre

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Joined: 11/24/03
Posts: 266

9/19/12 5:08:23 PM#47
So how is it to have CRS living for free up in your head Axishatr? Must be very noise hearing Doc laughing at you all the time, and not even pay any rent for staying there. Hell of annoying. :)
  axishatr

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Joined: 11/03/08
Posts: 189

 
OP  9/19/12 5:10:11 PM#48

Oh man here comes more of the forum scum.

 

Don't come in here and spread your bathroom spray.  The game is still crap.

 

As a customer I have the right to tell people of my personal experience and issues with the owners.  I literally spent $4000 on this game since I've played and have had nothing but unsatisfactory service from the get go.

 

The game was fun at one time.  I played everyday a total of 10 hours or more along with working full time.  I served as MAP OIC for a few months.  I trained people.  I welcomed new people and lead many squad fights along the way.

 

I hooked people on this game and pushed it as hard as all of you are doing now.  The difference is the time now.

 

This time the game is bad bad bad.  CRS took its unique game and just crapped on it time and time again.  They ignored their playerbase and continued to march in a direction that was the end......where we are today.  They pizzed off long time players and why?  To try to get some teeny bobbers to pay their $17.99 per month.  They took builder money given to them to help WWIIOL and secretly used it to try to develope some spin off crap that no one really wanted.  Then tried to cover their azzes with "its for the good of wwiol community and if you really cared you'd buy RA and STEAM and KICKSTARTER and so on.  They basically begged for money for a whole year after being azzholes on their forums to everyone that tried to point them in a direction that would take them somewhere other than HERE.  They failed.

 

Now, to trick all you diehards into staying they finally lauch F2P.  Just to give you idiots targets to shoot at and keep you paying DOC's wage while CRS scrambles to find another niche to sell to you and your friends.  They release 3 employees (or did they just see the light and run for the hills) to try to stay afloat.  CRS employees state that this game has NEVER been in the black and has been a burden to upkeep.  THEN WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE WITH A 10 YEAR OLD GAME??

 

They are overpriced and have ruined me as a customer and made me so bitter that I want to make sure people know what they are getting into when they think about this game.  I want them to know how I was treated and how many many others were treated too!

 

Thats the things that CRS forgets is that they aren't GODS...they are a company that is supplying a product and a product that is advertised as working and having certain items.  They failed me on many counts over the last few years with quality and quanity and for that I am very very upset.  They know I am upset and have dont NOTHING to correct the problems I've had with them and their product.  NOTHING.

 

I would have let this go a long time ago if action to correct the issues happened.  Instead they blamed the community for not supporting enough and then had the balz enough to ask for more money and free assistance.

 

Terrible.

 

Enjoy things.  This is the end of the conversation for me.  Read into it what you wish and troll all you want.  Send all the forum brats here to chime in......because that's what keeps you guys playing.  The same 100 people fighting to keep the game YOU love alive.  The same 100 people, same names, same smart azz remarks and attacks to chase those willing to step forward and complain to the company for the product they have NOW and how wronged the community was....

 

S!

 

 

  maxioz

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Joined: 8/18/12
Posts: 16

9/19/12 5:57:43 PM#49
nvm.
  axishatr

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Joined: 11/03/08
Posts: 189

 
OP  9/19/12 7:06:37 PM#50
Yeah, put it on Steam.   I'd like the masses to vote on it and then have it fail.  That way you all can see your defense was for not.
  axishatr

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Joined: 11/03/08
Posts: 189

 
OP  9/19/12 7:09:16 PM#51

as at the start of this thread, I repost this

 

 

 

Why WWIIOL (Battleground Europe) is nearly dead

Yes, I said it, WWIIOL is nearly dead. It lay on the table with IV’s in each arm, pain killers pumping through out its system, and closest family in the room over seeing the last few breaths.

It is a sad deal, but to one of the thousands of players that have “been around a while” it’s nothing of a shock. You see, WWIIOL has been dieing for YEARS. Sort of a slow death with not so many signs of pain either. Oh, don’t get me wrong, the last couple years have been pain filled. Forum rumbles, mass quitting, staff leaving, server crashing, game instability, and the ever important “shut up there is nothing wrong” attitude shoved in the player base faces during it were the neon lighted signs of the time. But before the last couple years it was pretty good times.

Enough about what we already know. Now on to the cause of this…..

These are just opinions of mine, but some pretty strong indicators turned me to writing this report and stating these items. I’m not a professional writer as you can already see, but I still wanted to point out some things that might be used yet to save some aspect of the game or some other game/community teetering on the edge of death.

CRS is ultimately responsible. There is no way around it. Its missteps, blindness, and stubbornness are the #1 reasons this game is nearly dead.

You see, in any business, you must have a solid core to work with. From this core foundation you can build an empire on. CRS had this I believe and worked on the building quite well for many years. At some point though, they fell into the thinking that they knew it all, or at least that is how they were perceived by the community, after all they were the first MMORG large scale map game developers right!!! The requests of long time players and really the overall community fell upon deaf ears. Yes, you see, CRS was not in the wrong, ever (in their own minds). They brushed it off as a “few” upset people that got killed online over and over to many times and were just venting. Yes, that’s it! It’s not us, they thought, its just those stupid people out there (our customers). “F” them, they are not programmers or marketing majors……..we are smarter then they!

Well, that perceived thinking went on for 4 years. More people barked, so that meant there just were more crazy people out there trying to kill off CRS and its ultimate game that would never die.

Wrong.

The problems that the community saw and seen coming were there and are what the game is dealing with now. CRS dug a huge hole for itself and in some respect are still blaming the community for its woes.

The lack of players does not have anything to do with lack of community support. Being around 10 years is proof enough you had support, CRS. You had builders (some didn’t even get their statues). The lack of players is directly related to your opaque and most times offensive approach to any criticisms you received about your game or your staff. Its similar to a restaurant severing bad meal after bad meal and when someone complained about the meal and the prices you yell back at them, call them names, and then shut the door on them and have someone else tape their mouths shut.

That is horrible customer service. And many many former customers were treated that way. Another horrible way to keep people around. The funny part is this, for what? To muzzle people that were pointing you in the direction of what needed to be changed. But CRS would not listen. At this point they were still not in the wrong.

You ignored HUGE game issues and perused “easy” eye candy updates hoping you’d trick people to hang around longer and help fund this “game”. You even managed to draw up some “americans” and post it all over the place to gain more people, a gamble that did not work out. Sort of like borrowing money to build on to your shop but never having the cash flow to afford the payment on the initial loan….then going in and talking the banker into a “little more money” because “we are close to turning the bend”.

WRONG. Bad gamble. You never turned the bend.

You promised and again, your promise fell short. The Americans are STILL NOT IN GAME and you are still ironing out stability issues and some sort of political axis situation with the Americans entering the real map. No Americans but the axis get new semi autos to add to all their toys already in the game for YEARS!

What a mess. More people leave. Less people come and stay. Your employees start to get nervous and leave (move on to better things).

Now we get to the point where the business cannot even do the work anymore because times are so bad. CRS begs those that they nearly choked out 4 years prior (the squads) to help manage, control, and train the flow of new people to the game. The bad thing is that this flow of noobs from the terrible placements of advertising (limited) brought in the worst assortment of people maybe in the history of the game. Numbers of retained people had to be horribly low, as they were never published. From my understanding maybe 1 out of 100 or so stayed and ended up paying some sort of sub costs. But at least you can brag and post graphs (terrible graphs) about number of new people inflow.

This leads to that lovely sub costs. The highest anywhere. Did we mention all the sever issues and dropped promises?? Now we want to charge $17.99 for it. Yeah, we know, you COULD get it cheaper….you just got to sign up for a year or so and that way CRS could burn through you money fast still trying to pay that intial loan from the crazy banker off on the gamble that did not “turn the bend”.

Yes, that’s it. Help us pay for our mistakes and just deal with a game that isn’t running well. DON’T YOU WANT YOUR GAME TO LIVE!!!!!! (that come back got old quick).

So, some still pay and hope for better days. Several hopeful “this will save us” tries were made (that china mess and RA) but the reality of it all and something that was known by all involved is that the numbers were failing, miserably. It was dieing and dieing fast.

So, as the game is laid down on the ER bed….and its breath is slow and heavy panic sets in on the family. Suddenly confession is a good idea. Maybe it will save them. Maybe having everyone donate will bring a miracle. Maybe more money will save it now. Maybe. Maybe not.

But, money will only save jobs for a while. The end is near. We all will pass in time. This game is just going to beat us all at it. Money is not going to save it. Numbers would but CRS has chased all the good ones away. New younger kids don’t want this type of play. Not in mass numbers anyways. Plus, it’s really nothing new. It’s the same game and same graphics just in a different box and different map area. It’s the same thing you cannot sell on WWIIOL Campaign side…..but you’ve masked it well.

Maybe trying to break neck market to some short attention span kids will keep the oxygen on another year, but at sometime it might be best to let it pass. It would be more humane. Better for the family. Better for the community.

You guys let the game die 4 years ago. I commend you for trying to save it now that is so close to being dead. I imagine all family do that when their close ones go or are close to going. I’ve seen it in my family. But I say just let it go. Maybe that’s what it wants.

You should have listened to your community earlier and been more open to them earlier. Not chased squads away and killed squad play. You should have had a better community leader and customer support team….since the customers pay your wage and pay for your hobby of making this game and making it work and stay working. You should muzzled DOC and kept him from the eyes of the public and the ears of them to. He’s one of the most rude and asinine people I’ve ever talked to at times and really made your company look horrible in the forums, on the main page, and in gamers forums. I personally had 15 people hooked on this game that all left directly because of DOCs posts.

Now all of a sudden you want to show everyone where you are at and why you need what you are asking of them. Partially because that is the legal way to ask for donations and show disclosure, but the other part is now you are starting to get it. The community was not so dumb after all.

I hope praying or whatever you are doing now saves your game. I still cannot believe you are now begging for more money from those that you’ve treated so poorly over the years. I also cannot believe you’ve gotten suckers to stick their heads out to give money. Maybe your new community guy is doing his job. Maybe not.

If things fail I hope CRS learns from it on their next venture. Nazi Zombie Reign or whatever is in the works. Keep the sub cost low so people can afford it and continue to afford it. $18 is to much and asking for a whole year commitment is to much also. Don’t chase people away and don’t act like a dictatorship to your concerned customers. Gagging them only makes them more upset and less likely to ever help you in the future. It did in my case.

S! Good luck

  kkelly9

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9/19/12 7:18:06 PM#52

axis, i appreciate your thoughts on the game, but you have stated that many times. we get it, you hate the game, and crs. please understand that other peoples experience may be different than yours.  we can sit here and find faults with every single mmo out there. it all depends on which bugs you can tolerate, and which you cant, to which game you end up calling home.

i also was in ahc, and i understand your complaints. but i also understand that ww2online is a fps mmo, and that comes with inherent problems from the start. those problems are why nobody else tries to do it. they put in specials on timers that are somehow supposed to represent real combat. i also understand that crs is not a big company like blizzard or bioware, and their resources have always been limited. so that kinda tailors my expectations. dont get me wrong, i get frustrated too, but i understand only so much can be done. so i take breaks from it. it sounds like you were heavily involved in every facet of the game, and that is a serious stress load.

i dont think you should take it personally that they havent or didnt fix what you specifically wanted fixed. you dont get to elevate yourself above any other customers, no matter how much you spent. any company has to do what they FEEL will benefit the most players. the players half the time will not agree with that. i paid full price for SWG for 8.5 years, through the CU and the NGE, only to lose it all just because of swtor's release. guess who cared? nobody. not SOE, not Bioware, not Lucas Arts. but i didnt hate on swtor, i just ignored it, and went back to ww2online where i started my first gaming. does it need work? hell yes. but it always will. just like all other mmo's are always being worked on.

im sorry you decided you didnt want to be part of our community anymore, because that really is what any mmo is about. but as a fellow gamer i hope you do find a community you love to be part of, and this game wont even matter to you anymore.

S!

 

 

 

 

 

  axishatr

Novice Member

Joined: 11/03/08
Posts: 189

 
OP  9/19/12 7:36:19 PM#53
Originally posted by kkelly9

axis, i appreciate your thoughts on the game, but you have stated that many times. we get it, you hate the game, and crs. please understand that other peoples experience may be different than yours.  we can sit here and find faults with every single mmo out there. it all depends on which bugs you can tolerate, and which you cant, to which game you end up calling home.

i also was in ahc, and i understand your complaints. but i also understand that ww2online is a fps mmo, and that comes with inherent problems from the start. those problems are why nobody else tries to do it. they put in specials on timers that are somehow supposed to represent real combat. i also understand that crs is not a big company like blizzard or bioware, and their resources have always been limited. so that kinda tailors my expectations. dont get me wrong, i get frustrated too, but i understand only so much can be done. so i take breaks from it. it sounds like you were heavily involved in every facet of the game, and that is a serious stress load.

i dont think you should take it personally that they havent or didnt fix what you specifically wanted fixed. you dont get to elevate yourself above any other customers, no matter how much you spent. any company has to do what they FEEL will benefit the most players. the players half the time will not agree with that. i paid full price for SWG for 8.5 years, through the CU and the NGE, only to lose it all just because of swtor's release. guess who cared? nobody. not SOE, not Bioware, not Lucas Arts. but i didnt hate on swtor, i just ignored it, and went back to ww2online where i started my first gaming. does it need work? hell yes. but it always will. just like all other mmo's are always being worked on.

im sorry you decided you didnt want to be part of our community anymore, because that really is what any mmo is about. but as a fellow gamer i hope you do find a community you love to be part of, and this game wont even matter to you anymore.

S!

 

 

 That's the thing, it wasnt just me.  It was hundreds of people complaining and asking for changes or less change.  But, whenever things were brought up in the discussions it was labeled as bashing and erased, moved, or locked.

Here its open.  The truths are out and being discussed and expressed.  Not all my anger is towards a game change, its more towards how they handle other issues and matters.  They way their untrained and "all mighty" staff has no concerns over an individual out in the real world, behind the computer screens.

 

I've been treated the worst by these people and the game issues that I've stated that has made the game unplayable at times (especially during peak hours and squad nights) is just simply unacceptable in any business you are in.  I paid a premium price for a product that was unable to deliver reliable service at the times it should have.

 

That is, during peak squad time play of 8 EST, I usually CTD 10-15 times for the 4 hours I am on.  Also during this time I have run across the same stairway clippers mass killing and not being removed or banned after 25 .report them, have them on fraps, record them on video, send to BLOO and GOPHUR for review and yet we are still paying $17.99.  Nothing gets done because hardly anyone is around anymore.  No GM's on and no HC on a lot of nights during that peak play time.  That's changed a bit again, but still not what it should be for $17.99.

 

That is my beef guys.  For the money they have to provide a good game.  I love the game, but its just gone to chit the last few years in what I've said many many many times is CRS bad decisions and lack of respect for those longtime players that helped them stay afloat all these years.

 

I just cannot get over that.  Yes, there is a cheaper plan, but come on, I am truely worried about spending the money and having something charged to me I cannot get back.  I am afraid that the game will just not load one day and I'll be out the money I just payed for that month.  They've shown nothing to me that supports they will be around long.  They continue to gag people.  They continue to receive almost nothing for new support (paying support not f2p accounts that mean nothing other taking up server space and allowing the words "packed battlefield" to be used).  I mean real meat and potato support.  Kickstarter was nothing more pledging up people.  Steam is really just upvoters.  Like I said, seems like the same 100 people.  All good points to support not paying them more than $17.99 and not signing up for a year. 

 

They treat people like crap and then in the same swing of the arm go into kneeling mode and beg for help and money.  Things like that get under my skin.

 

I will have to move on but for me it's a hard thing since I sincerly feel I was wronged so badly.  Even worse, and why I fight so much for a lower price and a positive change.....is that there are many many more that got hosed too. 

 

I wish wwiiol could go on and CRS would dry up.  I think a new team would/could make wwiiol work again.  CRS had its chance and I am not willing to give them anymore to make it.  I really think it failed.

 

Thanks for your thoughts too.  Enjoy the game if you are still playing.

 

 

 

  maxioz

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/18/12
Posts: 16

9/19/12 7:47:31 PM#54
Originally posted by axishatr
Originally posted by kkelly9

axis, i appreciate your thoughts on the game, but you have stated that many times. we get it, you hate the game, and crs. please understand that other peoples experience may be different than yours.  we can sit here and find faults with every single mmo out there. it all depends on which bugs you can tolerate, and which you cant, to which game you end up calling home.

i also was in ahc, and i understand your complaints. but i also understand that ww2online is a fps mmo, and that comes with inherent problems from the start. those problems are why nobody else tries to do it. they put in specials on timers that are somehow supposed to represent real combat. i also understand that crs is not a big company like blizzard or bioware, and their resources have always been limited. so that kinda tailors my expectations. dont get me wrong, i get frustrated too, but i understand only so much can be done. so i take breaks from it. it sounds like you were heavily involved in every facet of the game, and that is a serious stress load.

i dont think you should take it personally that they havent or didnt fix what you specifically wanted fixed. you dont get to elevate yourself above any other customers, no matter how much you spent. any company has to do what they FEEL will benefit the most players. the players half the time will not agree with that. i paid full price for SWG for 8.5 years, through the CU and the NGE, only to lose it all just because of swtor's release. guess who cared? nobody. not SOE, not Bioware, not Lucas Arts. but i didnt hate on swtor, i just ignored it, and went back to ww2online where i started my first gaming. does it need work? hell yes. but it always will. just like all other mmo's are always being worked on.

im sorry you decided you didnt want to be part of our community anymore, because that really is what any mmo is about. but as a fellow gamer i hope you do find a community you love to be part of, and this game wont even matter to you anymore.

S!

 

 

 That's the thing, it wasnt just me.  It was hundreds of people complaining and asking for changes or less change.  But, whenever things were brought up in the discussions it was labeled as bashing and erased, moved, or locked.

Here its open.  The truths are out and being discussed and expressed.  Not all my anger is towards a game change, its more towards how they handle other issues and matters.  They way their untrained and "all mighty" staff has no concerns over an individual out in the real world, behind the computer screens.

 

I've been treated the worst by these people and the game issues that I've stated that has made the game unplayable at times (especially during peak hours and squad nights) is just simply unacceptable in any business you are in.  I paid a premium price for a product that was unable to deliver reliable service at the times it should have.

 

That is, during peak squad time play of 8 EST, I usually CTD 10-15 times for the 4 hours I am on.  Also during this time I have run across the same stairway clippers mass killing and not being removed or banned after 25 .report them, have them on fraps, record them on video, send to BLOO and GOPHUR for review and yet we are still paying $17.99.  Nothing gets done because hardly anyone is around anymore.  No GM's on and no HC on a lot of nights during that peak play time.  That's changed a bit again, but still not what it should be for $17.99.

 

That is my beef guys.  For the money they have to provide a good game.  I love the game, but its just gone to chit the last few years in what I've said many many many times is CRS bad decisions and lack of respect for those longtime players that helped them stay afloat all these years.

 

I just cannot get over that.  Yes, there is a cheaper plan, but come on, I am truely worried about spending the money and having something charged to me I cannot get back.  I am afraid that the game will just not load one day and I'll be out the money I just payed for that month.  They've shown nothing to me that supports they will be around long.  They continue to gag people.  They continue to receive almost nothing for new support (paying support not f2p accounts that mean nothing other taking up server space and allowing the words "packed battlefield" to be used).  I mean real meat and potato support.  Kickstarter was nothing more pledging up people.  Steam is really just upvoters.  Like I said, seems like the same 100 people.  All good points to support not paying them more than $17.99 and not signing up for a year. 

 

They treat people like crap and then in the same swing of the arm go into kneeling mode and beg for help and money.  Things like that get under my skin.

 

I will have to move on but for me it's a hard thing since I sincerly feel I was wronged so badly.  Even worse, and why I fight so much for a lower price and a positive change.....is that there are many many more that got hosed too. 

 

I wish wwiiol could go on and CRS would dry up.  I think a new team would/could make wwiiol work again.  CRS had its chance and I am not willing to give them anymore to make it.  I really think it failed.

 

Thanks for your thoughts too.  Enjoy the game if you are still playing.

 

 

 

Ok understood Axis, that was a much better civilised post from you, and make me (and others i guess) understand your situation better. See? Us comming here wasn't such a bad thing anyway ;)...

Im on a monthly charge atm, i have allways had that sub type. Since i often commit quite strongly to the game when i do play it, play it hardcore in a few months, take a break in a few, and then get sucked back in for some more :), it's easier to unsub and resub by doing like that, but often i just let it stay subbed ;).

  kkelly9

Apprentice Member

Joined: 2/09/12
Posts: 6

9/19/12 8:33:08 PM#55

yeah i can appreciate your frustration, and disapointment. all of us in swg had same feeling cuz it meant the world to us, but just dollars to SOE and Lucas. who we were as people never mattered. but i have to realize for that 8 yrs i was part of an awesome community that i will never forget, and thats really where the value of the game was. i came back to ww2online because of the community i remembered, not the purple skies and floating tanks that we had back in the early years lol.

and yes things in ww2online i dont agree with. i pay 17.99 while any returning vet gets 9.99 for long as they stay. thats only half what i pay, and i been here for the last year involved and supporting the game. but, now i  understand the community makes the game, and like you pointed out, it needs to grow to be healthy. i also understand that the new rate scale, and the wb program, are both things that the community has been asking for to help bring in players. i already decided i was willing to pay what i pay for as long as i stay, so i just look to having more fun as more people log in. all i can do is hope that some of them like what they see and grab a sub and stay awhile. for some company, i am not willing to sacrifice. for the community, i am.

obviously you understand all that already or you wouldnt be displaying the passion that you do lol. im not trying to talk you into playing, or from bashing the game, just saying i understand. but also that its the community trying to grow and push some of this stuff.

  rendus

Novice Member

Joined: 10/14/08
Posts: 332

9/19/12 9:22:00 PM#56
Originally posted by maxioz
Originally posted by axishatr
Originally posted by kkelly9

axis, i appreciate your thoughts on the game, but you have stated that many times. we get it, you hate the game, and crs. please understand that other peoples experience may be different than yours.  we can sit here and find faults with every single mmo out there. it all depends on which bugs you can tolerate, and which you cant, to which game you end up calling home.

i also was in ahc, and i understand your complaints. but i also understand that ww2online is a fps mmo, and that comes with inherent problems from the start. those problems are why nobody else tries to do it. they put in specials on timers that are somehow supposed to represent real combat. i also understand that crs is not a big company like blizzard or bioware, and their resources have always been limited. so that kinda tailors my expectations. dont get me wrong, i get frustrated too, but i understand only so much can be done. so i take breaks from it. it sounds like you were heavily involved in every facet of the game, and that is a serious stress load.

i dont think you should take it personally that they havent or didnt fix what you specifically wanted fixed. you dont get to elevate yourself above any other customers, no matter how much you spent. any company has to do what they FEEL will benefit the most players. the players half the time will not agree with that. i paid full price for SWG for 8.5 years, through the CU and the NGE, only to lose it all just because of swtor's release. guess who cared? nobody. not SOE, not Bioware, not Lucas Arts. but i didnt hate on swtor, i just ignored it, and went back to ww2online where i started my first gaming. does it need work? hell yes. but it always will. just like all other mmo's are always being worked on.

im sorry you decided you didnt want to be part of our community anymore, because that really is what any mmo is about. but as a fellow gamer i hope you do find a community you love to be part of, and this game wont even matter to you anymore.

S!

 

 

 That's the thing, it wasnt just me.  It was hundreds of people complaining and asking for changes or less change.  But, whenever things were brought up in the discussions it was labeled as bashing and erased, moved, or locked.

Here its open.  The truths are out and being discussed and expressed.  Not all my anger is towards a game change, its more towards how they handle other issues and matters.  They way their untrained and "all mighty" staff has no concerns over an individual out in the real world, behind the computer screens.

 

I've been treated the worst by these people and the game issues that I've stated that has made the game unplayable at times (especially during peak hours and squad nights) is just simply unacceptable in any business you are in.  I paid a premium price for a product that was unable to deliver reliable service at the times it should have.

 

That is, during peak squad time play of 8 EST, I usually CTD 10-15 times for the 4 hours I am on.  Also during this time I have run across the same stairway clippers mass killing and not being removed or banned after 25 .report them, have them on fraps, record them on video, send to BLOO and GOPHUR for review and yet we are still paying $17.99.  Nothing gets done because hardly anyone is around anymore.  No GM's on and no HC on a lot of nights during that peak play time.  That's changed a bit again, but still not what it should be for $17.99.

 

That is my beef guys.  For the money they have to provide a good game.  I love the game, but its just gone to chit the last few years in what I've said many many many times is CRS bad decisions and lack of respect for those longtime players that helped them stay afloat all these years.

 

I just cannot get over that.  Yes, there is a cheaper plan, but come on, I am truely worried about spending the money and having something charged to me I cannot get back.  I am afraid that the game will just not load one day and I'll be out the money I just payed for that month.  They've shown nothing to me that supports they will be around long.  They continue to gag people.  They continue to receive almost nothing for new support (paying support not f2p accounts that mean nothing other taking up server space and allowing the words "packed battlefield" to be used).  I mean real meat and potato support.  Kickstarter was nothing more pledging up people.  Steam is really just upvoters.  Like I said, seems like the same 100 people.  All good points to support not paying them more than $17.99 and not signing up for a year. 

 

They treat people like crap and then in the same swing of the arm go into kneeling mode and beg for help and money.  Things like that get under my skin.

 

I will have to move on but for me it's a hard thing since I sincerly feel I was wronged so badly.  Even worse, and why I fight so much for a lower price and a positive change.....is that there are many many more that got hosed too. 

 

I wish wwiiol could go on and CRS would dry up.  I think a new team would/could make wwiiol work again.  CRS had its chance and I am not willing to give them anymore to make it.  I really think it failed.

 

Thanks for your thoughts too.  Enjoy the game if you are still playing.

 

 

 

See? Us comming here wasn't such a bad thing anyway ;)...

 

Yes, about that.  What precipitated the flood in the first place?  

  Malus-wwiionline

Novice Member

Joined: 9/20/12
Posts: 7

9/20/12 1:27:01 AM#57

There are certain facts that make it interesting outside of your disagreements with CRS:

1.  Map is continuous and larger than anything out there today.  Even if there are, admittedly, some gamey elements (mobile spawns etc) that cater to shoe-box gamers...you don't have to play that way if you don't want to.  You can set up missions to bring supplies from rear towns (cavalry to the rescue) and other things that are not scripted to impact battles - and that large map provides the terrain on which to maneuver.

2.  As a result - screening, all around security/perimeters, and defense in depth over a larger area become important.  

3.  Physics are modeled better than any other game I've seen.  This goes for flight models, projectile ballistics, and damage models.  It is not a points based system like many other games out there.

It truely is a battlefield simulation - typical engagement ranges are beyond 200 meters - seeing the enemy before he sees you is critical and sometimes difficult.  As a result, the pace of operations is slower than most other shoebox FPS games - and most squads see that as beneficial for massing troops and organizing assaults or setting up defences...and instant action is still available via mobile spawns (FRUs) if you so desire.  You can have the best of both worlds.  To me these attributes have value as I am an ex soldier - I am looking for a realistic simulation, not an arcade game; this goes for the graphics too - it serves it's purpose and is a tradeoff made to allow performance given the large engagement areas.  If you are there for more than just glitz - then it will have value for you.

Are there problems? Certainly.   From my perspective, whatever problems exist are outweighed by the value having WWIIonline in the world provides.  I'll do what I can to help keep that alive - at least until someone else comes up with something better; right now something better (from my point of view) does not exist.

 

  CaptBlackEagle

Novice Member

Joined: 9/20/12
Posts: 1

9/20/12 6:56:52 AM#58

I have been playing this game since 2004. Prior to that time I had played many FPS, and MMOs of all sorts.  In the mid 1990's I was a beta tester as a USAF Security Specialist for Combat Simulators used in the planning of high security facilities around the world.

 

The Idea of all games is to immerse the player into a world, and keep them entertained.  The challenges should be tough, but not so tough that you can't accomplish tasks.  In the early years of these type of games, this really required a lot of imagination on the players part.  And as hard as they tried they were less than flexible.  Battleground Europe is unique.

 

For me, flexibility is important.  I do not want a game that limits my choices.  Every game builder strives for that golden chalice, and CRS has achieved it.  I can choose to either play as part of a team (squad) or wing it on my own.  I can choose to fight almost anywhere I want.  It is this that sets Battleground Europe apart from the FPS.  I can get in a truck in Antwerp and drive to Luxemburg if I choose to.  I can fly a bomber from Hahn to Dover.  The choice is up to me. 

The Immersive nature of the game is not like that in an FPS.  In fact, the shock and awe of a bomber attack is amazing. The sight of tracer fire, tanks firing, AAA lighting up the sky...I knew I was immersed in the game when my scream shocked my wife.  I never saw that sniper, but I did hear the shot that killed me. 

Battleground Europe is not an FPS...you will not log in and suddenly find yourself stuck in an alley forced to fight what is in front of you...you choose your own tactics within a massive world. This game really requires you to use your smarts, paitence pays off, and the kill is much more gratifying because of it.  In fact, I can often spot the new players who come over from the FPS games....and they certainly help my score. 

The OP sounds like many of his kind found on many other games I have played.  Battleground Europe is too hard for him, so it is the game's fault.

 

  axishatr

Novice Member

Joined: 11/03/08
Posts: 189

 
OP  9/28/12 3:30:23 PM#59

Has nothing to do with being hard or easy.  After playing 9 years or so I've got the idea on how to "play the game".  Pretty sure I could take you easily unless you play that axis ez mode grenadier and cheat shoot me like most of them losers do.  I only play allied so its a little bit harder.

 

It has everything to do with the marketing schemes and lies CRS uses and the terrible job that those things do to make the game live.

 

Thats why its dead.  F2P added numbers but not a measurable finacial bonus.  DOC even says so on his post recently on the main page.

 

Sad.

  N1ckM

Novice Member

Joined: 11/01/10
Posts: 8

9/29/12 7:03:44 AM#60

axishatr, I like you much better when you make a less hate-filled post, I know you feel wronged by CRS but the only person to blame really is yourself, no-one forced you to pay for all those years, I'm sure you must have loved the game for many years otherwise you wouldn't have stuck at it for so long.

I feel a bit sad that you have so much hate for CRS, just move on, find a new hobby that you love.

Peace.

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