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  seridan

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7/02/12 1:14:49 PM#101
Originally posted by Doggett

I wonder why people see GW2 as so much better than TSW. I'm not saying TSW is great, but neither is GW2. Combat felt just as disconnected in GW2 as it does in TSW for me. 

Haven't played in the last few beta events though so it might have improved, but GW2 is far from the second coming everyone seems to be believing it is.

 

Because people have different opinions maybe?

Block the trolls, don't answer them, so we can remove the garbage from these forums

  megera23

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7/02/12 1:16:10 PM#102
Originally posted by Doggett

I wonder why people see GW2 as so much better than TSW. I'm not saying TSW is great, but neither is GW2. Combat felt just as disconnected in GW2 as it does in TSW for me. 

Haven't played in the last few beta events though so it might have improved, but GW2 is far from the second coming everyone seems to be believing it is.

 

It's not about the game being perfect, it's about a game offering us what we're looking for. And currently GW2 is the closest to what I (and obviously many others) want from a MMORPG.

 

As far as combat is concerned, maybe you should check it out again. My friend who didn't enjoy himself during the first BWE, because of stuff like ability delay etc says that there were huge improvements between the two beta weekends. They also added other stuff like your camera shaking when you get knocked etc. Dunno if this will improve the experience for you. I personally didn't notice any of the issues or the improvements, lol.

  TwoThreeFour

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7/02/12 1:19:12 PM#103
Originally posted by Serelisk
Originally posted by FredomSekerZ
Originally posted by VassagoMael
Originally posted by FredomSekerZ
Originally posted by likwidsage

I don't think people realize what a behemoth the GW2 release has become. Possibly the most *anticipated* MMO ever. Now whether that turns dream turn to reality is an other question. However, by the looks of the beta tests, previews and beta reviews, it seems that there is some truth to the hype. I doubt TSW will any effect on GW2 on release day at all.

Yet, Pandaria will almost certanly sell more. Weird huh.

On topic, 2 completly different games. This idea that 1 games affects the others gets tossed around alot and i have yet to see it happening. SWTOR didn't affect Rift. TERA didn't affect SWTOR. TSW didn't affect TERA. And i'm certain GW2 won't affect TSW.

No need to postone anything. The game's good. it will do well, just like TSW and all others. (expect TOR for obvious reasons): Is this thread a troll threads? Seems like it.

Panda Ria is an expansion, not an MMO.

So?

GW2- "Hey WOW"

WOWMOP- "Who are you again?"

GW2- "The one who's going to beat you"

*WOWMOP points to GW1, LOTRO, DDO, WAR, AOC, AION, RIFT, SWTOR, etc*

GW2- *Gulp* "Run away"

WOWMOP- "Yeah, that's what i figured"

EDIT: WOWMOP- "Get off my lawn, you damm whippersnapper. Back in my day, we didn't have all this you new mmorgps have. Damm kids"

You wrote this as if Guild Wars 1 wasn't successful. With a small budget, minimal advertising/word of mouth, and an unknown company, GW1 sold a million copies in only 5 months way back in 2005 which was during WoW's rise to the throne.

GW2 - "The one who's going to beat you"

WOWMOP - *points to failed WoW killers*

GW2 - "Ask me if I care."

WOWMOP - "...Do you c-"

GW2 - "NO!"

 

Are you implying that they don't care about beating WoW or are you implying that they don't care about other games that have failed to beat WoW?

  fiontar

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7/02/12 1:20:33 PM#104

I'm enjoying TSW, but I'm already a third of the way through the third zone and there are only eight zones in the game. There is no replay value, as there is no redundancy of content and the story is what make's it worth playing. I think most people will be "done" with TSW well before the release of GW2, so this poll doesn't have much worth.

Besides, WoW:MoP is the infinitely bigger potential "spoiler" for GW2. If it were up to me, I'd launch GW2 a little earlier, to try to make it even harder for Blizzard to push MoP out near the GW2 release window.

TSW is a non-factor. (Funcom should be thanking Arenanet for making the release date announcement when they did, it freed up a lot of people to buy TSW).

Want to know more about GW2 and why there is so much buzz? Start here: Guild Wars 2 Mass Info for the Uninitiated

  Bad.dog

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7/02/12 1:22:32 PM#105
Originally posted by Doggett

I wonder why people see GW2 as so much better than TSW. I'm not saying TSW is great, but neither is GW2. Combat felt just as disconnected in GW2 as it does in TSW for me. 

Haven't played in the last few beta events though so it might have improved, but GW2 is far from the second coming everyone seems to be believing it is.

 

Wait wasn't D3 the second comming ?...noway GW2 or TSW could match the the great combat feel from D3

  Quizzical

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7/02/12 1:26:41 PM#106
Originally posted by VultureSkull

With what looks like a very good release of TSW would it not be wise for GW2 to postpond release until say end of September, that will give a full clear month after the free month you get with TSW.

You do realize that you'll still be able to buy GW2 a month after launch day, don't you?

  Artair83

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7/02/12 1:26:41 PM#107
Originally posted by SlickShoes

TSW is perfectly positioned to be played for a month or two and then dropped for another game or until they release more content to quest through.

GW2 release date is fine.

This, as a closed beta tester with no NDA left now I have to say I think the game needs more content. I actually like TSW despite it's bugs and issues, and if it was a buy to play or f2p title I'd be all over it. However, I think between the double dipper subscription scheme (sub+cash shop) plus the box buy and the shallow amount of content at present, I sadly think a lot of it's community is going to die as fast as it's created.

 

While it does have issues, it's a very unique setting, and finally something in a modern world that isn't just a super hero title. It also has great story content and voice acting and full cutscenes for many quests. It's a very well made game. I also really enjoyed the classless leveless system too. While I do really like quality over quantity in many cases and I think quality is something a lot of games lack these days, the balance in TSW is currently off. Yes yes, many bugs blah blah, but the high quality quests have made it so there aren't that many. I played beta for about a month and was to the last zone, there's about eight I think. This just worries me for the future and makes me wonder how fast they can pump out new content since they need voice actors and the like. 

I really enjoyed beta and thank Funcom immensely for the chance to test it, they've gotten many bug reports from me and I hope it helps them improve the game. I'm just worried about it's continunity. I'd like to play it and GW2, but I just can't justify the cost at all. I think GW2 has more than enough community and hype though and TSW has a slightly different audience to some degree so I think it'll be in it's own niche. Go ahead with GW2's launch I say.

  Wolvards

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7/02/12 1:27:00 PM#108
Originally posted by Doggett

I wonder why people see GW2 as so much better than TSW. I'm not saying TSW is great, but neither is GW2. Combat felt just as disconnected in GW2 as it does in TSW for me. 

Haven't played in the last few beta events though so it might have improved, but GW2 is far from the second coming everyone seems to be believing it is.

 

I just have one thing to say to that last part... This part just hits a nerve for some reason...

I've been lurking these forums over the last year about, and following GW2 pretty moderately...

Only on these forums, I tend to be a one site kind of guy....

But the only people that i've read that refer GW2 to the second coming of Jesus Christ, are the people who don't like the game. Sure I know it could have happened, and it probably has, but if it did it isn't like it's in every thread, heck i honestly havent even seen anyone refer the game to Jesus except about 3-4 times, each time from haters (except this time, I don't know if you hate GW2 or just genuinely don't like it).

I guess what i'm saying is this... Knock it the frick off with the second coming of Jesus Christ crap. You only make yourself sound stupid and ignorant. If you've seen someone post it as a fanboi so be it, then it's a trolling fanboi, but that doesn't mean it justifies you using the same exact thing, because when you read his post, and you thought it was out-rageous, or stupid, or immature, or anything (maybe you liked it?), it's the exact same thing i'm seeing with yours.

And for the topic, the thread title is a little schewed. I thought it was going to be like zomg ANet might postpone it!, not do we think they should because of another game...

But heck no they shouldn't.

The "Youtube Pro": Someone who watches video's on said subject, and obviously has a full understanding of what is being said about such subject.

  User Deleted
7/02/12 1:28:27 PM#109
Originally posted by The_Korrigan

TSW must really be a good game anyway if its players/fans/defenders spend more time posting here in the GW2 forum than playing it...

Most people actually are. I'm here because i don't by games at launch. Ever. Also, i post on GW2 foums because i like the game and mmos. I even stated on my first post this thread seemed trollish. I think fanbases going at each other is pretty stupid actually. My commments are regarding MOP and GW2 mostly, not even TSW.

  Malevil

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Posts: 466

7/02/12 1:31:01 PM#110
Originally posted by FredomSekerZ
Originally posted by Nefera
Originally posted by CrunkJuice2

" Mike O'Brien believes GW2 will be a "wow killer/beater""

oh god here we go,another swtor incoming

 

i guess maybe the developers who make these games arent really any smarter then the idiots who play them

 

"Nothing is going to kill WoW other than WoW."

- Mike O'Brien

 

Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2012/04/23/arenanet-founder-mike-obrien-will-be-satisfied-when-guild-wars-2-is-the-most-successful-mmo-period/

You people should stop taking my posts out context. I said, and quote myself:

Finally, "wow killer" doesn't exist, because you can't kill anoter game, just beat it. WOW beat EQ2, but not kill. And in case you missed the memo, Mike O'Brien believes GW2 will be a "wow killer/beater"

And now, i'll take from that link too:

"We're in it to win it this time,” said O’Brien. “We were number two to World of Warcraft with Guild Wars, now we want to beat them. We’ll be satisfied when the Guild Wars 2 is the most successful MMO"

Nobody plain says "We're going to kill WOW". But this is probably the closest it can get. Whatever anyway. If i'm not mistaken, O'Brien left Blizzard and formed Anet. Now he thinks ihe's big enough to start talking stupid, and wants to beat is former company. Fortunaly, he doesn't reprsent the whole of ANet.

 

He does represent whole company and there is nothing wrong trying to be the best. Whats stupid in saying that they want to beat WoW and become number one  ? Stupid is to be satisfied with second place, thats loosers attitude .

  Valkaern

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7/02/12 1:33:10 PM#111

I really can't imagine TSW having any impact whatsoever on GW2, and certainly not even close to requiring them to change their release date.

While I'm sure TSW will have a dedicated player base, it's hardly a behemoth that needs to be reckoned with in any way.

  TwoThreeFour

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7/02/12 1:42:34 PM#112
Originally posted by Malevil
Originally posted by FredomSekerZ
Originally posted by Nefera
Originally posted by CrunkJuice2

" Mike O'Brien believes GW2 will be a "wow killer/beater""

oh god here we go,another swtor incoming

 

i guess maybe the developers who make these games arent really any smarter then the idiots who play them

 

"Nothing is going to kill WoW other than WoW."

- Mike O'Brien

 

Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2012/04/23/arenanet-founder-mike-obrien-will-be-satisfied-when-guild-wars-2-is-the-most-successful-mmo-period/

You people should stop taking my posts out context. I said, and quote myself:

Finally, "wow killer" doesn't exist, because you can't kill anoter game, just beat it. WOW beat EQ2, but not kill. And in case you missed the memo, Mike O'Brien believes GW2 will be a "wow killer/beater"

And now, i'll take from that link too:

"We're in it to win it this time,” said O’Brien. “We were number two to World of Warcraft with Guild Wars, now we want to beat them. We’ll be satisfied when the Guild Wars 2 is the most successful MMO"

Nobody plain says "We're going to kill WOW". But this is probably the closest it can get. Whatever anyway. If i'm not mistaken, O'Brien left Blizzard and formed Anet. Now he thinks ihe's big enough to start talking stupid, and wants to beat is former company. Fortunaly, he doesn't reprsent the whole of ANet.

 

He does represent whole company and there is nothing wrong trying to be the best. Whats stupid in saying that they want to beat WoW and become number one  ? Stupid is to be satisfied with second place, thats loosers attitude .

 

Because an alternative standpoint is to try to make a great game that is also economically successful; a standpoint which I believe is more accepted than the "Let's try to beat WoW". 

  User Deleted
7/02/12 1:45:04 PM#113
Originally posted by Malevil
Originally posted by FredomSekerZ
Originally posted by Nefera
Originally posted by CrunkJuice2

He does represent whole company and there is nothing wrong trying to be the best. Whats stupid in saying that they want to beat WoW and become number one  ? Stupid is to be satisfied with second place, thats loosers attitude .

I know. Fortunatly, most devs just sit down and try to take care of the game while the higher ups do the talking. Like i said, O'Brien's probably just mad that he left Blizz and now think tat just because he as a new hyped game (not saying it in a bad way) it can "trash talk" Blizzard.

On topic, IMHO, i think ANet and FC need to worry more about themselves than each other. Both games are themeparks which, like every seingle one of them, in the first 2-3 (max) months, players will consume all the content and start to get bored. I believe that this is where Rift succeded. Fast updates allow it to remain profitable and community happy.

No content means nothing to do which means less pop which means less moeny spent on cash shops (and sub for TSW). B2P or P2P, devs need players. I say that if both want their games to be ok, they better shut up and start pushing it after release. One affecting the other means 0 in the first 2 months compared to 6-8 months down the line.

Personally, i don't care. I don't see any longevity in either game after said amount of time, but the content is unique enough to the cost. Anything beyond release is a bonus to me. But again, this is about the companies.

  Searias

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7/02/12 1:47:17 PM#114

They really don't have to delay the game anymore, I bet the majority of the people have already bought the game.

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  neuronomad

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7/02/12 1:50:37 PM#115

No offense by this is a stupid question.  There is no reason for ArenaNet to even have a fraction of concern about TSW.

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7/02/12 1:51:46 PM#116
Originally posted by VultureSkull

With what looks like a very good release of TSW would it not be wise for GW2 to postpond release until say end of September, that will give a full clear month after the free month you get with TSW.

GW2 is releasing 2 months after TSW  (8 weeks) - I see no issue

 

TSW early access 06/29

GW2 early access 8/25

  xalvi

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7/02/12 2:05:17 PM#117

TBH, i didn't bother reading anything on this thread all i saw was "Should GW2 postpone the release date"  and i just clicked no lol. I dont think my body can handle waiting any longer than August 28.

  TwoThreeFour

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7/02/12 2:11:05 PM#118
Originally posted by Dawnstar
Originally posted by FredomSekerZ
Originally posted by Serelisk
Originally posted by FredomSekerZ
Originally posted by VassagoMael
Originally posted by FredomSekerZ
Originally posted by likwidsage

I don't think people realize what a behemoth the GW2 release has become. Possibly the most *anticipated* MMO ever. Now whether that turns dream turn to reality is an other question. However, by the looks of the beta tests, previews and beta reviews, it seems that there is some truth to the hype. I doubt TSW will any effect on GW2 on release day at all.

Yet, Pandaria will almost certanly sell more. Weird huh.

On topic, 2 completly different games. This idea that 1 games affects the others gets tossed around alot and i have yet to see it happening. SWTOR didn't affect Rift. TERA didn't affect SWTOR. TSW didn't affect TERA. And i'm certain GW2 won't affect TSW.

No need to postone anything. The game's good. it will do well, just like TSW and all others. (expect TOR for obvious reasons): Is this thread a troll threads? Seems like it.

Panda Ria is an expansion, not an MMO.

So?

GW2- "Hey WOW"

WOWMOP- "Who are you again?"

GW2- "The one who's going to beat you"

*WOWMOP points to GW1, LOTRO, DDO, WAR, AOC, AION, RIFT, SWTOR, etc*

GW2- *Gulp* "Run away"

WOWMOP- "Yeah, that's what i figured"

EDIT: WOWMOP- "Get off my lawn, you damm whippersnapper. Back in my day, we didn't have all this you new mmorgps have. Damm kids"

You wrote this as if Guild Wars 1 wasn't successful. With a small budget, minimal advertising/word of mouth, and an unknown company, GW1 sold a million copies in only 5 months way back in 2005 which was during WoW's rise to the throne.

GW2 - "The one who's going to beat you"

WOWMOP - *points to failed WoW killers*

GW2 - "Ask me if I care."

WOWMOP - "...Do you c-"

GW2 - "NO!"

You wrote this as if the other mmos wheren't sucessful.

LOTRO and DDO have shown great profit and are still updating with expansions.

WAR, SWTOR and AOC, well, yeah, fair enough

AION is the 2nd or 3rd biggest mmo in the planet, beyong WOW and maybe Lineage

Finally, Rift was a full blown mmorpg (not a co-op game) made by Trion as their very first game, and 1 of the most polished. Also, while having less than 500k subs, it's been very sucessfull. Enough so, to have a full expansion 1 year after and finace 2 other mmos. All in 1 year.

GW1 was, and is to this day, a very different game. B2P instead of P2P, co-op instead of mmo, and great pvp focus instead of pve. The exact oposite of normal mmorgps.

Also, the game was launched 2005, with no competion beyong the already made WOW. Same happened in 2006. But in 2007, it was the first expansion that forced players to have the original game instead of stand alone. It was also the year of LOTRO and Vanguard, and possilbe AOC.

Finally, "wow killer" doesn't exist, because you can't kill anoter game, just beat it. WOW beat EQ2, but not kill. And in case you missed the memo, Mike O'Brien believes GW2 will be a "wow killer/beater"

Oh, and no. I'm not hating on GW1 since i think it's an awesome, originala nd unique game.

Source please?

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2012/04/23/arenanet-founder-mike-obrien-will-be-satisfied-when-guild-wars-2-is-the-most-successful-mmo-period/ is one source saying something similar. 

  xalvi

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7/02/12 2:17:49 PM#119
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by Dawnstar
Originally posted by FredomSekerZ
Originally posted by Serelisk
Originally posted by FredomSekerZ
Originally posted by VassagoMael
Originally posted by FredomSekerZ
Originally posted by likwidsage

I don't think people realize what a behemoth the GW2 release has become. Possibly the most *anticipated* MMO ever. Now whether that turns dream turn to reality is an other question. However, by the looks of the beta tests, previews and beta reviews, it seems that there is some truth to the hype. I doubt TSW will any effect on GW2 on release day at all.

Yet, Pandaria will almost certanly sell more. Weird huh.

On topic, 2 completly different games. This idea that 1 games affects the others gets tossed around alot and i have yet to see it happening. SWTOR didn't affect Rift. TERA didn't affect SWTOR. TSW didn't affect TERA. And i'm certain GW2 won't affect TSW.

No need to postone anything. The game's good. it will do well, just like TSW and all others. (expect TOR for obvious reasons): Is this thread a troll threads? Seems like it.

Panda Ria is an expansion, not an MMO.

So?

GW2- "Hey WOW"

WOWMOP- "Who are you again?"

GW2- "The one who's going to beat you"

*WOWMOP points to GW1, LOTRO, DDO, WAR, AOC, AION, RIFT, SWTOR, etc*

GW2- *Gulp* "Run away"

WOWMOP- "Yeah, that's what i figured"

EDIT: WOWMOP- "Get off my lawn, you damm whippersnapper. Back in my day, we didn't have all this you new mmorgps have. Damm kids"

You wrote this as if Guild Wars 1 wasn't successful. With a small budget, minimal advertising/word of mouth, and an unknown company, GW1 sold a million copies in only 5 months way back in 2005 which was during WoW's rise to the throne.

GW2 - "The one who's going to beat you"

WOWMOP - *points to failed WoW killers*

GW2 - "Ask me if I care."

WOWMOP - "...Do you c-"

GW2 - "NO!"

You wrote this as if the other mmos wheren't sucessful.

LOTRO and DDO have shown great profit and are still updating with expansions.

WAR, SWTOR and AOC, well, yeah, fair enough

AION is the 2nd or 3rd biggest mmo in the planet, beyong WOW and maybe Lineage

Finally, Rift was a full blown mmorpg (not a co-op game) made by Trion as their very first game, and 1 of the most polished. Also, while having less than 500k subs, it's been very sucessfull. Enough so, to have a full expansion 1 year after and finace 2 other mmos. All in 1 year.

GW1 was, and is to this day, a very different game. B2P instead of P2P, co-op instead of mmo, and great pvp focus instead of pve. The exact oposite of normal mmorgps.

Also, the game was launched 2005, with no competion beyong the already made WOW. Same happened in 2006. But in 2007, it was the first expansion that forced players to have the original game instead of stand alone. It was also the year of LOTRO and Vanguard, and possilbe AOC.

Finally, "wow killer" doesn't exist, because you can't kill anoter game, just beat it. WOW beat EQ2, but not kill. And in case you missed the memo, Mike O'Brien believes GW2 will be a "wow killer/beater"

Oh, and no. I'm not hating on GW1 since i think it's an awesome, originala nd unique game.

Source please?

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2012/04/23/arenanet-founder-mike-obrien-will-be-satisfied-when-guild-wars-2-is-the-most-successful-mmo-period/ is one source saying something similar. 

It's written on the internet, it must be true.

  Lord.Bachus

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7/02/12 2:31:19 PM#120

Having fun playing TSW but still looking forward to GW2, these games are fundamentally different, they aim to deliver a different kind of entertainment.

Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations)
Currently playing : The Elder Scrolls Online and Wildstar

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