Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Broken Missions + No Mission Cancel Option

There are broken missions, but in the beta events, I was able to just pick up another mission and it would offer to cancel one of the current ones I have. So really, there is a way to "cancel missions", you just pick up a new one to replace it.

Overall though, I agree, I had a lot more broken missions and quests in TSW than GW2. I think I found 2-3 skill point quests that didn't work. The only other issue I had was not being able to zone in and finish the story quests during the first stress test. But in BWE2 I had no issues with that.

Originally posted by seridan

Originally posted by Cinatrot

I hear alot of "It'll be fixed at release!" type denial in this thread, disappointing.

 

The game will be added to the fail pile.

source?

From what i've been seing, people on the internet have cristal balls to see the future, and it's not just a few, ALOT have them. I'm still trying to find one myself.

You could have a flawless launch with it exactly to everyones 'liking' (at least what they said) and still a ton of people will drop it quickly and leave it in the dust. Its just how the MMO community is. We say we want something and we get it and don't like it exactly and drop it without giving it much of a chance.

Trust me, the hype will hurt GW2 in the end. Over hype can make even a good game look bad.  Not about to say SWTOR is a good game but it was decent, but its over hype really nuked that game hard. If it wasn't so hyped I bet the population would be twice the number it is now and would take longer to decline.

Originally posted by Chingo

Originally posted by Vutar

This game had better have spectacular improvement in the next BWE or this will be just one more MMO in a long line that fails to meet expectations. The same people demanding the game be released are those who will be here a month later bashing it or moving on to the next hyped game. I really thought Anet was going to take their time and make sure the game was "ready." as they said. Having been in tons of beta tests for MMOs, I cannot fathom how they are going to fix all the problems this game still has by 28 August.

There were over 8 pages of just "bugs." in the few hour stress test yesterday. That does not even take into account things like the UI not being customizable. They would not allow any discussion yesterday in regard to improvements. All threads on that were locked. Likely they will be concentrating on squashing bugs for the next two months.  While good to get those taken care of, it is bad for anyone wanting any type significant improvment in gameplay systems. They will not want to implement anything major knowing that more bugs could come up before release.

I really like GW2 and think it could be a great game. However, if they release without implementing many of the improvements that were all over the forums during/after last BWE, it simply will not be a great game.

/sadface

You _dare_ to question the omnipotency of ArenaNet? 

 

Seriously speaking, I had much more functional problems in the stress test than I had in the previous BWE which also made me a bit worried. Let's hope they'll pull it off. Would be a sad day indeed if the launch went south for this game after all the talk about and expectations for a release when it's Truly Ready (tm).

This is what I see as well.  They were likely trying out different implementations of server setup etc.  

At this point I can well imagine the concern is more about being able to log in and stay in the game, bugs not directly related to that will probably take a back seat until after the official launch. That said, I have myself only run into one bug not related to log in in all 4 events and it was very minor (got stuck in a piece of destructible building when I destroyed it- fix for me was to just map to the closest point I could).

If you've been running into bugs, you have my sympathy, but for me since day 2 of BWE 1 the game has been rock solid and stable, I'd go so far as to call it WoW stable.

Originally posted by Vutar

This game had better have spectacular improvement in the next BWE or this will be just one more MMO in a long line that fails to meet expectations. The same people demanding the game be released are those who will be here a month later bashing it or moving on to the next hyped game. I really thought Anet was going to take their time and make sure the game was "ready." as they said. Having been in tons of beta tests for MMOs, I cannot fathom how they are going to fix all the problems this game still has by 28 August.

There were over 8 pages of just "bugs." in the few hour stress test yesterday. That does not even take into account things like the UI not being customizable. They would not allow any discussion yesterday in regard to improvements. All threads on that were locked. Likely they will be concentrating on squashing bugs for the next two months.  While good to get those taken care of, it is bad for anyone wanting any type significant improvment in gameplay systems. They will not want to implement anything major knowing that more bugs could come up before release.

I really like GW2 and think it could be a great game. However, if they release without implementing many of the improvements that were all over the forums during/after last BWE, it simply will not be a great game.

/sadface

Professional game tester here.

"8 pages of just bugs" is not bad. At all. Especially for an MMORPG of this size. And if you actually read many of the bugs, they're minor things or WIP issues (such as the cutscene dialogs). The trouble is that the more complex a game grows, the more bugs it will have, period. And fixing those bugs is rarely a 100% good idea. I cannot tell you how many times a minor bug gets fixed only to cause much larger issues. 

Guild Wars 2 is extremely bug free, especially compared to its competitors. I was one of the people who was demanding it to release soon specifically because it already meets very high standards and making it wait any longer is only going to make people bored with the BWEs and frustrated and angry.

Let me put it this way...a lot of people at my office played in the BWEs, and we're all wondering what the hell ArenaNet is waiting for.

Originally posted by Vutar

This game had better have spectacular improvement in the next BWE or this will be just one more MMO in a long line that fails to meet expectations. The same people demanding the game be released are those who will be here a month later bashing it or moving on to the next hyped game. I really thought Anet was going to take their time and make sure the game was "ready." as they said. Having been in tons of beta tests for MMOs, I cannot fathom how they are going to fix all the problems this game still has by 28 August.

There were over 8 pages of just "bugs." in the few hour stress test yesterday. That does not even take into account things like the UI not being customizable. They would not allow any discussion yesterday in regard to improvements. All threads on that were locked. Likely they will be concentrating on squashing bugs for the next two months.  While good to get those taken care of, it is bad for anyone wanting any type significant improvment in gameplay systems. They will not want to implement anything major knowing that more bugs could come up before release.

I really like GW2 and think it could be a great game. However, if they release without implementing many of the improvements that were all over the forums during/after last BWE, it simply will not be a great game.

/sadface

So you dont think its ready.. ok.... so.... dont play it till you think its ready, no one is making you play on 8.28. Sure their will be bugs even on release day, but the game is playable. It might take them another few months to work everything out, then wait that few months before you jump into the game. Play when you think the game is ready.

I found the stress test surprisingly stable, I got a lag spike maybe twice maximum? Other than the store not working of course but I havent had any real issues. In the first beta weekend I had gotten stuck in a cubby I shouldnt have been able to get into and was stuck for like 10 minutes until I remembered I could just teleport to a way point lol.

Im crazy excited for the release even tho Ill be in school.

Originally posted by FredomSekerZ

Originally posted by seridan

Originally posted by Cinatrot

I hear alot of "It'll be fixed at release!" type denial in this thread, disappointing.

 

The game will be added to the fail pile.

source?

From what i've been seing, people on the internet have cristal balls to see the future, and it's not just a few, ALOT have them. I'm still trying to find one myself.

Yeah, my crystal ball even has a spell checker!

It came with the purchase of my 6th over-hyped and subsequently overpriced MMO.

Originally posted by ste2000

I thought the OP had a problem with the design, but the bugs are nothing to worry about.

I tend to agree.  From a coder's perspective there is a differentiation between bugs and design issues.  Technically a bug is a feature that exists but doesn't work properly.

Something like not having a customizable UI isn't a bug, if having a customizable UI was never part of the design.  Anyone assigned to bug-fixes can't do much other than pass that report to a designer.  It's not part of their job to add features.

They wouldn't have set the date so early unless they were confident that they could patch through all of it.

Remember that this isn't some publisher-pushed game by a lackluster developer.

"I hear alot of "It'll be fixed at release!" type denial in this thread, disappointing.

Originally posted by CrunkJuice2

"I hear alot of "It'll be fixed at release!" type denial in this thread, disappointing.

 

The game will be added to the fail pile."

 

might as well add the people who have the attitude of the game being flawless and bug free at release to the fail pile also.cuz im sure thats the majority of the reason why swtor tanked,i guess the other majority would be because it attracted all the people who made the wow community garbage

 

 

 i dont get the negativity from people like you guys the game is actully in pretty good shape and they still have 2 months

Still waiting for the haters to produce some sort of evidence that GW2 is going to fail. If thats too hard to do, perhaps you could list at least one game released in the past year that has more to offer to the genre.

Originally posted by CrunkJuice2

"I hear alot of "It'll be fixed at release!" type denial in this thread, disappointing.

 

The game will be added to the fail pile."

 

might as well add the people who have the attitude of the game being flawless and bug free at release to the fail pile also.cuz im sure thats the majority of the reason why swtor tanked,i guess the other majority would be because it attracted all the people who made the wow community garbage

 

 

I don't think you know what you're talking about.

We are not talking game-breaking bugs or any serious issues. GW2 has bugs, yes. As does every single piece of coding ever made. 

The overall polish and playability of the game is past "release-ready", it is well beyond the industry standard for both single player and MMO games. That's saying something.

So I think what you're hearing is "they'll fix the game-breaking bugs at release!" when what most of us are actually saying is "the game is ready for release and any minor tweaks can come later".

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Still waiting for the haters to produce some sort of evidence that GW2 is going to fail. If thats too hard to do, perhaps you could list at least one game released in the past year that has more to offer to the genre.

This is something I truly do not understand. The MMO community defines success very strangely. It seems that these days only "replaces WoW" is viewed as a success.

Success should be measured by both profits and the lasting power of the game. Guild Wars 1 succeeded immensely in this regard (#8 top selling PC game of all time doesn't lie), and at a time when there was (imo) more serious competition in the industry.

Will it be WoW, or be as huge as its fans want it to be? Maybe, maybe not. But fail? Hell no. The game has already made a massive profit and it's not even released--and due to the nature of B2P, it will last a long time regardless.

Originally posted by Purutzil

You could have a flawless launch with it exactly to everyones 'liking' (at least what they said) and still a ton of people will drop it quickly and leave it in the dust. Its just how the MMO community is. We say we want something and we get it and don't like it exactly and drop it without giving it much of a chance.

 

Trust me, the hype will hurt GW2 in the end. Over hype can make even a good game look bad.  Not about to say SWTOR is a good game but it was decent, but its over hype really nuked that game hard. If it wasn't so hyped I bet the population would be twice the number it is now and would take longer to decline.

Really? Hey buddy, quick qustion.. where is all this hype?  Are you talking about on here, on this forum? How much do you think this forum matters to the outside world? There is MAYBE a few thousand people that come here on a regular basis.. and even that I highly doubt. Is it the GW2 sites? If so, they dont count. That is like getting upset about a McDonalds comercial lied about how good their food is. Is it other sites that report on MMO's? Well, there is ALOT of people that play MMO's interested in this game. You need to understand, to make money, they will report on what the comunity wants. GW2 is the biggest mainstream release latly. Anyways, the same princiable aplies to them as here for how many people are on them. 

No place else will you get all this "hype". This notion that "millions" of people will hate this game because of the hype is just silly. Go outside.. unless you have friends that play MMO's obsesivly, you will hardly hear a peep about GW2. Heck, go to ANY website that isnt about MMO's and you might come across an artical once in a great while. 

The game is going to sell at LEST one million copies. I would wager a guess at 2 million. Out of all those people, almost all of them has heard about GW2, read a little bit about it, and that is it. As hard as it is to hear this, but we are the VAST minority. Us that sit on forums talking about MMOs.. we only make up a few thousands. 

If you can prove me wrong, go for it. Just need to see links to ALL THE HYPE, and I will admitt defeat.

Originally posted by CrunkJuice2

"I hear alot of "It'll be fixed at release!" type denial in this thread, disappointing.

 

The game will be added to the fail pile."

 

might as well add the people who have the attitude of the game being flawless and bug free at release to the fail pile also.cuz im sure thats the majority of the reason why swtor tanked,i guess the other majority would be because it attracted all the people who made the wow community garbage

 

 

You have made up your mind. Since that is the case and this game is a complete failure for you already... I don't expect to see anymore posts from you correct? I mean otherwise you would simply be trolling. 

Originally posted by Poison_Adele

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Still waiting for the haters to produce some sort of evidence that GW2 is going to fail. If thats too hard to do, perhaps you could list at least one game released in the past year that has more to offer to the genre.

This is something I truly do not understand. The MMO community defines success very strangely. It seems that these days only "replaces WoW" is viewed as a success.

Success should be measured by both profits and the lasting power of the game. Guild Wars 1 succeeded immensely in this regard (#8 top selling PC game of all time doesn't lie), and at a time when there was (imo) more serious competition in the industry.

Will it be WoW, or be as huge as its fans want it to be? Maybe, maybe not. But fail? Hell no. The game has already made a massive profit and it's not even released--and due to the nature of B2P, it will last a long time regardless.

I'm just a huge fan of Dark Age of Camelot and it's 3 way RvR style combat. After seeing GW2's WvWvW system in action, I can only say one thing... FINALLY! Someone actually listened and took the best of what DAoC had to offer and added on to it. GW2 will have some pretty intriguing battles where strategies will actually pay off.

#1 - Keep Control

#2 - Tower Control

#3 - Supply Depot Control

#4 - Relic Control

#5 - Dungeon Access

That's just 5 of the main reasons to battle it out in WvW and that should keep just about any avid PvP gamer satisfied for quite some time. As anyone who's played DAoC before knows, the Frontier RvR combat never got old.

Since the game has no sub, only box sales. They can patch / fix any broken things after launch without worring about losing subs. The sooner they launch GW2,  the faster they can start selling gems / making money.

ps: GW2 only have PRE-SALES and not pre-orders.