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  Pratt2112

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6/27/12 8:40:00 PM#41
Originally posted by Fearum
 

What is the point of this thread?

 Read the OP again. You'll figure it out :)

  Fearum

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6/27/12 8:40:11 PM#42
Originally posted by Entinerint
Originally posted by Fearum

Why not?

Because OBVIOUSLY if they don't have to test it that much its a flawless game

No, I was asking, why do you think it will turn out to be pretty good?  What evidence are you basing this on? 

What evidense are you basing your opinion on? I was stating my opinion, who are you to say im wrong?

  Fearum

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6/27/12 8:40:46 PM#43
Originally posted by TangentPoint
Originally posted by Fearum
 

What is the point of this thread?

 Read the OP again. You'll figure it out :)

I don't really care about one line they say in interviews

  Ulrick28

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6/27/12 8:42:27 PM#44

As a game developer I am not surprised they haven't put 500 hours (which is 20 days if you played 24 hours a day..or roughly 60 days at 8 hours a day).  Sure it's been in development for the last 5 years, but the first 3 years likely didn't have much that was fully playable.  A game really doesn't come into it's own until the last 30% of development.  And generally the last 10% of the time is when the game is representative of what will be on the shelf.

 

 

  Entinerint

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6/27/12 8:43:33 PM#45
Originally posted by Fearum
Originally posted by Entinerint
Originally posted by Fearum

Why not?

Because OBVIOUSLY if they don't have to test it that much its a flawless game

No, I was asking, why do you think it will turn out to be pretty good?  What evidence are you basing this on? 

What evidense are you basing your opinion on? I was stating my opinion, who are you to say im wrong?

I didn't.  I simply asked why.

I am basing my impression of the game on the many articles written, interviews done and videos published about the game, especially what came out of E3, of which I have seen and read as much as possible.

based on what has been told to us about it, it sounds like a pretty mediocre MMO and a terrible TES game.  I was wondering if your opinion was formed from the same evidence, and thus you just have different tastes, or if you are just being optimistic, or a combination of the two.

Why so defensive?

  Fearum

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6/27/12 8:44:08 PM#46
Originally posted by Ulrick28

As a game developer I am not surprised they haven't put 500 hours (which is 20 days if you played 24 hours a day..or roughly 60 days at 8 hours a day).  Sure it's been in development for the last 5 years, but the first 3 years likely didn't have much that was fully playable.  A game really doesn't come into it's own until the last 30% of development.  And generally the last 10% of the time is when the game is representative of what will be on the shelf.

 

 

Exactly, but these absent minded fools think the game is finished and the devs just go to work and play it all day instead of work.

  Fearum

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6/27/12 8:45:07 PM#47
Originally posted by Entinerint
Originally posted by Fearum
Originally posted by Entinerint
Originally posted by Fearum

Why not?

Because OBVIOUSLY if they don't have to test it that much its a flawless game

No, I was asking, why do you think it will turn out to be pretty good?  What evidence are you basing this on? 

What evidense are you basing your opinion on? I was stating my opinion, who are you to say im wrong?

I didn't.  I simply asked why.

I am basing my impression of the game on the many articles written, interviews done and videos published about the game, especially what came out of E3, of which I have seen and read as much as possible.

based on what has been told to us about it, it sounds like a pretty mediocre MMO and a terrible TES game.  I was wondering if your opinion was formed from the same evidence, and thus you just have different tastes, or if you are just being optimistic, or a combination of the two.

Why so defensive?

Im not defensive Im giving an opposing view to your aggresion. Why are you so aggresive? Its not a tes game its a MMO, and yes my opinion is being formed from the same talking and small videos I  have seen about the game. I will hold off on full out rageing until the game actually has some gameplay to experience.

  AlBQuirky

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Joined: 1/24/05
Posts: 3490

Tomorrow's just a future yesterday...

6/27/12 8:49:11 PM#48


Originally posted by nilden
"Paul Sage: I think, for us, it’s really a matter of making sure the game feels fresh right away. I can’t say more to how it feels after you’ve played 500 hours. No one at the office has played 500 hours."

And yet look at how many have cemented their opinions...

- Al

Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
- FARGIN_WAR

  Zorgo

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Joined: 12/05/05
Posts: 2267

Who did wrong? The advertiser hired to sell the game or the consumer who put faith in advertising?

6/27/12 8:49:33 PM#49

Sorry but all I see here is Don Quixote fighting windmills.

I really don't see anything about this game to make me anything more than 'slightly skeptical'. Some of you have gone so far into hate though, I think you are finding evil where it doesn't exist.

  Entinerint

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Posts: 755

6/27/12 8:51:15 PM#50
Originally posted by Fearum
Originally posted by Entinerint
Originally posted by Fearum
Originally posted by Entinerint
Originally posted by Fearum

Why not?

Because OBVIOUSLY if they don't have to test it that much its a flawless game

No, I was asking, why do you think it will turn out to be pretty good?  What evidence are you basing this on? 

What evidense are you basing your opinion on? I was stating my opinion, who are you to say im wrong?

I didn't.  I simply asked why.

I am basing my impression of the game on the many articles written, interviews done and videos published about the game, especially what came out of E3, of which I have seen and read as much as possible.

based on what has been told to us about it, it sounds like a pretty mediocre MMO and a terrible TES game.  I was wondering if your opinion was formed from the same evidence, and thus you just have different tastes, or if you are just being optimistic, or a combination of the two.

Why so defensive?

Im not defensive Im giving an opposing view to your aggresion. Why are you so aggresive? Its not a tes game its a MMO, and yes my opinion is being formed from the same talking and small videos I  have seen about the game. I will hold off on full out rageing until the game actually has some gameplay to experience.

Relax man, I wasn't accusing you of anything.  Just curious is all, I find opposing viewpoints to be interesting and I like to understand people who think differently than me, that's all.

  Fearum

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Joined: 1/15/11
Posts: 1092

6/27/12 9:31:43 PM#51
Originally posted by Entinerint
Originally posted by Fearum
Originally posted by Entinerint
Originally posted by Fearum
Originally posted by Entinerint
Originally posted by Fearum

Why not?

Because OBVIOUSLY if they don't have to test it that much its a flawless game

No, I was asking, why do you think it will turn out to be pretty good?  What evidence are you basing this on? 

What evidense are you basing your opinion on? I was stating my opinion, who are you to say im wrong?

I didn't.  I simply asked why.

I am basing my impression of the game on the many articles written, interviews done and videos published about the game, especially what came out of E3, of which I have seen and read as much as possible.

based on what has been told to us about it, it sounds like a pretty mediocre MMO and a terrible TES game.  I was wondering if your opinion was formed from the same evidence, and thus you just have different tastes, or if you are just being optimistic, or a combination of the two.

Why so defensive?

Im not defensive Im giving an opposing view to your aggresion. Why are you so aggresive? Its not a tes game its a MMO, and yes my opinion is being formed from the same talking and small videos I  have seen about the game. I will hold off on full out rageing until the game actually has some gameplay to experience.

Relax man, I wasn't accusing you of anything.  Just curious is all, I find opposing viewpoints to be interesting and I like to understand people who think differently than me, that's all.

NP man, I have my opinion and you have yours.

  Entinerint

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Joined: 5/06/12
Posts: 755

6/27/12 9:35:14 PM#52
Originally posted by Fearum
Originally posted by Entinerint
Originally posted by Fearum
Originally posted by Entinerint
Originally posted by Fearum
Originally posted by Entinerint
Originally posted by Fearum

Why not?

Because OBVIOUSLY if they don't have to test it that much its a flawless game

No, I was asking, why do you think it will turn out to be pretty good?  What evidence are you basing this on? 

What evidense are you basing your opinion on? I was stating my opinion, who are you to say im wrong?

I didn't.  I simply asked why.

I am basing my impression of the game on the many articles written, interviews done and videos published about the game, especially what came out of E3, of which I have seen and read as much as possible.

based on what has been told to us about it, it sounds like a pretty mediocre MMO and a terrible TES game.  I was wondering if your opinion was formed from the same evidence, and thus you just have different tastes, or if you are just being optimistic, or a combination of the two.

Why so defensive?

Im not defensive Im giving an opposing view to your aggresion. Why are you so aggresive? Its not a tes game its a MMO, and yes my opinion is being formed from the same talking and small videos I  have seen about the game. I will hold off on full out rageing until the game actually has some gameplay to experience.

Relax man, I wasn't accusing you of anything.  Just curious is all, I find opposing viewpoints to be interesting and I like to understand people who think differently than me, that's all.

NP man, I have my opinion and you have yours.

Truth :)

  MMOGamer71

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Joined: 11/12/07
Posts: 1656

6/27/12 9:35:57 PM#53
Originally posted by rdrakken
Originally posted by MMOGamer71

Doesn't surprise me noone has played 500 hours on a game that is still in development.

 You clearly know NOTHING about game development.

I have Alpha tested several MMOs, Asherons Call 1, Asherons Call 2 and Star Wars Galaxies and in each of them the Development team has people inside the testing with the FEW, and there ARE few Alpha testers. This is REQUIRED as there is so much that is wrong with the coding that the MUST find the heart of the problems quickly. Even in early Beta stage 1, there are developers part of the testing, like there was in LoTRo and EQ2. Normally it isnt until late beta stage 2 or Open betas that the devs stop logging into the game.

This is the reason why the mouthbreathers arent let in until mid/late Beta...because they cannot rely on most people to do anything worth a damn for the development of the game. Most of you dont even know what data compiling is let alone how to do it to help test a game...and that is just the basics actual testing.

Yet you do?

 

Read post #44 in this thread as it bitch slaps your post.

  Sora2810

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Posts: 567

6/27/12 9:36:51 PM#54
Originally posted by Mephster

How do you know if your game is good if you don't even take the time to play it. Hello...

Now you see how bad games happen.

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  Bossalinie

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6/27/12 9:47:32 PM#55
Originally posted by Sora2810
Originally posted by Mephster

How do you know if your game is good if you don't even take the time to play it. Hello...

Now you see how bad games happen.

What a bunch of armchair developers...

  Entinerint

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Posts: 755

6/28/12 1:11:29 AM#56
Originally posted by bossalinie
Originally posted by Sora2810
Originally posted by Mephster

How do you know if your game is good if you don't even take the time to play it. Hello...

Now you see how bad games happen.

What a bunch of armchair developers...

What, you think the Devs at ZOS work while hanging from the ceiling or something? :P

Actually, all that blood rushing to their heads might explain some of their decision-making.

  3-4thElf

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6/28/12 1:13:10 AM#57

No surprise here.

Everyone working on this game has played WoW. Why would they play WoW: elder scrolls expansion for more than a few hours?

This game needs dropped by Bethesda.

a yo ho ho

  rygard49

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6/28/12 1:11:23 PM#58
Originally posted by Entinerint

Originally posted by rygard49

Let me quote Stephen Colbert:

That's where the truth lies, right down here in the gut. Do you know you have more nerve endings in your gut than you have in your head? You can look it up.

Now, I know some of you are going to say, "I did look it up, and that's not true." That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut. I did. My gut tells me that's how our nervous system works.

I have a feeling that a lot of you here use your gut to form your arguments against games. No need to know anything about the development process, or silly things like how the game plays. Your gut is all the fact you need.

There is a metric shit-ton of info on this game.  More than we had for SWTOR by the time we figured out pretty much everything about it.  Just because you haven't done any research or read anything about it and have nothing to go on but your "gut" doesn't mean you should judge everyone by those standards.

I personally know more than enough about the development process to know how it should run and, by contrast, how it does run.

You make an assumption that I know nothing about the game, and on what basis you came to that conclusion from my comment is a complete mystery. 

I also don't know why you felt the need to reply defensively to a VERY generalized statement, nor why you would take it personally. I wasn't trying to target anyone specific with the statement. Therefore I'm assuming that you read my post, felt that it rang true for you, and were overwhelmed by the desire to prove it wrong by attacking me and citing generalized 'credentials'.

If you know about the development process then you know that the quote in the OP was probably said either in error or out of ignorance. I won't defend the quote because it's a stupid thing to say for either reason, and it's insulting to your development staff. But I think it's a ridiculous idea to assume that the developers and testers have not spent at least that much time in game over a 5 year span. Nearly imposssible actually, unless their job turnover rate is out of the ballpark.

 

  Lucioon

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6/28/12 1:41:54 PM#59

the guy should really never said anything like that.

5 Years of development, lets elminiate 3 years for the actual conceptualization and making the game playable Alpha stage.

that leaves you with 2 years, thats 730 days, eliminate all the holidays and lets give an estimate of 550 days, all they needed is one person to play 1 hour of the game, actually playing not testing, or coding.

That person would clock atleast 550 hours of play time.

So its not that difficult to have 500 hours.

He was probably just generalizing to get to a point that he is making. Don't make suck a big fuss.

Besides, regardless of what happens to TESO, as long as they keep making TES VI its all good.

 

 

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  Entinerint

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6/28/12 5:19:03 PM#60
Originally posted by rygard49
Originally posted by Entinerint

Originally posted by rygard49

Let me quote Stephen Colbert:

That's where the truth lies, right down here in the gut. Do you know you have more nerve endings in your gut than you have in your head? You can look it up.

Now, I know some of you are going to say, "I did look it up, and that's not true." That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut. I did. My gut tells me that's how our nervous system works.

I have a feeling that a lot of you here use your gut to form your arguments against games. No need to know anything about the development process, or silly things like how the game plays. Your gut is all the fact you need.

There is a metric shit-ton of info on this game.  More than we had for SWTOR by the time we figured out pretty much everything about it.  Just because you haven't done any research or read anything about it and have nothing to go on but your "gut" doesn't mean you should judge everyone by those standards.

I personally know more than enough about the development process to know how it should run and, by contrast, how it does run.

You make an assumption that I know nothing about the game, and on what basis you came to that conclusion from my comment is a complete mystery. 

I also don't know why you felt the need to reply defensively to a VERY generalized statement, nor why you would take it personally. I wasn't trying to target anyone specific with the statement. Therefore I'm assuming that you read my post, felt that it rang true for you, and were overwhelmed by the desire to prove it wrong by attacking me and citing generalized 'credentials'.

If you know about the development process then you know that the quote in the OP was probably said either in error or out of ignorance. I won't defend the quote because it's a stupid thing to say for either reason, and it's insulting to your development staff. But I think it's a ridiculous idea to assume that the developers and testers have not spent at least that much time in game over a 5 year span. Nearly imposssible actually, unless their job turnover rate is out of the ballpark.

 

Sorry if you got the impression I was being defensive.  I used some swears and I can see how that could be taken as heated, though I usually just use those words like any other.

The reason I got that impression is because I feel that, with the amount of information we have at this point, it would either be an act of denial or purposeful ignorance to not draw some kind of conclusion, as open-minded as that conclusion may be.  Rather than assume that about you, I simply went with the idea that perhaps you were not up on all the coverage, and were, as you say, just making a generalized statement.  Reserving judgement is one thing, but I believe one would have to be wilfully ignorant to ignore all the writing on ESO's wall at this point.

My "gut" told me this game was going to blow the MMO market to smithereens, and be the second coming of christ in MMO form: a true TES MMORPG.  My now brain disagrees, having cited the evidence to the contrary, and has won the argument and now that my gut has seen all the evidence, it is sad and disappointed.

As for your last paragraph, we agree completely.  Ignorant and insulting.

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