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  MMOSavant

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6/25/12 2:36:29 PM#41
Originally posted by Kabaal

Considering every other MMO.. SWTOR, WOW, TERA, pick one.. are £8.99 incl VAT a month asking £12.99 is a bit cheeky. Especially when it's only 1 country being asked to pay 40% extra.

 

Well gotta say after beta weekend I was ready to buy it, but paying £4 more a month than every other game is making me think twice now. It's not just the money it's the arrogance of Funcom to think they can get away with charging 30% more than other publishers. I can easily afford it, but this irks me to the point I might just play ToR until GW2 comes out.

  KingGator

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6/25/12 2:37:51 PM#42
Originally posted by MMOSavant
Originally posted by Kabaal

Considering every other MMO.. SWTOR, WOW, TERA, pick one.. are £8.99 incl VAT a month asking £12.99 is a bit cheeky. Especially when it's only 1 country being asked to pay 40% extra.

 

Well gotta say after beta weekend I was ready to buy it, but paying £4 more a month than every other game is making me think twice now. It's not just the money it's the arrogance of Funcom to think they can get away with charging 30% more than other publishers. I can easily afford it, but this irks me to the point I might just play ToR until GW2 comes out.

That is a strong stand my friend, playing tor out of spite would require incredible will power as bad as that game is. :)

  MMOSavant

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6/25/12 2:39:18 PM#43
Originally posted by KingGator
Originally posted by Kabaal

Considering every other MMO.. SWTOR, WOW, TERA, pick one.. are £8.99 incl VAT a month asking £12.99 is a bit cheeky. Especially when it's only 1 country being asked to pay 40% extra.

/shrug, maybe they're the first company that decided the consumer should eat this tax not them, after all you voted for the represenatives that enacted the tax. mmos are very cheap if you consider the amount of entertainment one gets from a well done mmorpg. No idea if this title is one of those, but I am sure the devs would like to think so.

 

He said all the others include VAT. We pay tax on them all, Funcom are shaking us down for another 30%.

  MMOSavant

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6/25/12 2:39:57 PM#44
Originally posted by KingGator
Originally posted by MMOSavant
Originally posted by Kabaal

Considering every other MMO.. SWTOR, WOW, TERA, pick one.. are £8.99 incl VAT a month asking £12.99 is a bit cheeky. Especially when it's only 1 country being asked to pay 40% extra.

 

Well gotta say after beta weekend I was ready to buy it, but paying £4 more a month than every other game is making me think twice now. It's not just the money it's the arrogance of Funcom to think they can get away with charging 30% more than other publishers. I can easily afford it, but this irks me to the point I might just play ToR until GW2 comes out.

That is a strong stand my friend, playing tor out of spite would require incredible will power as bad as that game is. :)

 

You're right, lol. I hope the force is with me.... or I might just go back to Rift.

  KingGator

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6/25/12 2:41:48 PM#45
Originally posted by MMOSavant
Originally posted by KingGator
Originally posted by Kabaal

Considering every other MMO.. SWTOR, WOW, TERA, pick one.. are £8.99 incl VAT a month asking £12.99 is a bit cheeky. Especially when it's only 1 country being asked to pay 40% extra.

/shrug, maybe they're the first company that decided the consumer should eat this tax not them, after all you voted for the represenatives that enacted the tax. mmos are very cheap if you consider the amount of entertainment one gets from a well done mmorpg. No idea if this title is one of those, but I am sure the devs would like to think so.

 

He said all the others include VAT. We pay tax on them all, Funcom are shaking us down for another 30%.

All other games? Or all other countries? I know for a fact that not all other countries charge a VAT, we do not. As I said earlier maybe they've decided to pass on the expense. If they charged you the same as they charged us then they would recieve less money from consumers in the UK than they do here. Excessive taxation can only lead to more expensive goods and services for the consumer, it sounds like you got lucky up to this point.

 

  ThemePork

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6/25/12 2:42:45 PM#46

  KingGator

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6/25/12 2:42:54 PM#47
Originally posted by MMOSavant
Originally posted by KingGator
Originally posted by MMOSavant
Originally posted by Kabaal

Considering every other MMO.. SWTOR, WOW, TERA, pick one.. are £8.99 incl VAT a month asking £12.99 is a bit cheeky. Especially when it's only 1 country being asked to pay 40% extra.

 

Well gotta say after beta weekend I was ready to buy it, but paying £4 more a month than every other game is making me think twice now. It's not just the money it's the arrogance of Funcom to think they can get away with charging 30% more than other publishers. I can easily afford it, but this irks me to the point I might just play ToR until GW2 comes out.

That is a strong stand my friend, playing tor out of spite would require incredible will power as bad as that game is. :)

 

You're right, lol. I hope the force is with me.... or I might just go back to Rift.


I never finished with arkham city, until something not terrible comes out that is my plan hehe

  Panthien

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6/25/12 2:43:00 PM#48
Originally posted by niceguy3978
Originally posted by SpottyGekko

"No MMO that charges more than the others is worth playing"

 

^^That attitude is one of the main reasons why we ended up with Cash Shops in games. No developer has had the guts to raise the monthly sub, but they needed to increase their income somehow. Very few things in the world still cost exactly the same as they did 10 years ago. Yet MMO players expect to always pay the same as they did in 2002... 

I think the main problem is that they raised the price in only one region.  U.S. its the standard 14.99, but 12.99 is more in that region than other mmos charge. 

People would have made a big deal out of it even if they did it globally, but Spotty does have a point, inflation effects us all, Im sure we all remember our grandparents telling us stories how a hotdog used to cost 2 cents. MMo's have been locked to the same price for so many years, so yeah logics suggest a price adjustment is more then overdue.

I dont agree with it being implimented in 1 region but I more then understand the effect, then again it wouldnt keep me away from the game anyway.

  Kabaal

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6/25/12 2:46:09 PM#49
Originally posted by KingGator
Originally posted by MMOSavant
Originally posted by KingGator
Originally posted by Kabaal

Considering every other MMO.. SWTOR, WOW, TERA, pick one.. are £8.99 incl VAT a month asking £12.99 is a bit cheeky. Especially when it's only 1 country being asked to pay 40% extra.

/shrug, maybe they're the first company that decided the consumer should eat this tax not them, after all you voted for the represenatives that enacted the tax. mmos are very cheap if you consider the amount of entertainment one gets from a well done mmorpg. No idea if this title is one of those, but I am sure the devs would like to think so.

 

He said all the others include VAT. We pay tax on them all, Funcom are shaking us down for another 30%.

All other games? Or all other countries? I know for a fact that not all other countries charge a VAT, we do not. As I said earlier maybe they've decided to pass on the expense. If they charged you the same as they charged us then they would recieve less money from consumers in the UK than they do here. Excessive taxation can only lead to more expensive goods and services for the consumer, it sounds like you got lucky up to this point.

 

Let's say that's the case:

£8.99 + 20% VAT = £10.78 it does not = £12.99

So even if they decided they weren't eating the tax they'd still be charging an extra £2.21 on top of that, even before that £2.21 it would be more than any other country pays. I've no idea why you're defending it so much.

Always keep your words soft and sweet, just in case you have to eat them.

  Vrika

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6/25/12 2:46:10 PM#50
Originally posted by KingGator
Originally posted by Kabaal

Considering every other MMO.. SWTOR, WOW, TERA, pick one.. are £8.99 incl VAT a month asking £12.99 is a bit cheeky. Especially when it's only 1 country being asked to pay 40% extra.

/shrug, maybe they're the first company that decided the consumer should eat this tax not them, after all you voted for the represenatives that enacted the tax. mmos are very cheap if you consider the amount of entertainment one gets from a well done mmorpg. No idea if this title is one of those, but I am sure the devs would like to think so.

Subscription fee 14.99 $month + VAT 15% 2,25$/month = total 20.20$/month. It's certainly good calculation for Funcom if some customer is stupid enough to accept it.

  DaezAster

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6/25/12 2:46:22 PM#51
Originally posted by SpottyGekko

"No MMO that charges more than the others is worth playing"

 

^^That attitude is one of the main reasons why we ended up with Cash Shops in games. No developer has had the guts to raise the monthly sub, but they needed to increase their income somehow. Very few things in the world still cost exactly the same as they did 10 years ago. Yet MMO players expect to always pay the same as they did in 2002... 

Well with monthly fees as is were talking over a mill a month right there. If an mmo has a 100,000 players which isnt alot there making a good amount I would say. Plus computing in general has gotten much cheaper so the cost of running servers isnt as expensive or atleast isnt so expensive they need more money. I would say the monthly fee's and cash shop are there because people have been willing to support them and not because they are needed to fund the game. 

If your willing to give me your money, Im willing to take it....

  Citalkay

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6/25/12 2:48:37 PM#52

So TSW has a cash shop AND charges £12.99 a month?

 

Pre-order Cancelled~ 

  KingGator

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Joined: 4/30/06
Posts: 474

6/25/12 2:50:23 PM#53
Originally posted by Kabaal
Originally posted by KingGator
Originally posted by MMOSavant
Originally posted by KingGator
Originally posted by Kabaal

Considering every other MMO.. SWTOR, WOW, TERA, pick one.. are £8.99 incl VAT a month asking £12.99 is a bit cheeky. Especially when it's only 1 country being asked to pay 40% extra.

/shrug, maybe they're the first company that decided the consumer should eat this tax not them, after all you voted for the represenatives that enacted the tax. mmos are very cheap if you consider the amount of entertainment one gets from a well done mmorpg. No idea if this title is one of those, but I am sure the devs would like to think so.

 

He said all the others include VAT. We pay tax on them all, Funcom are shaking us down for another 30%.

All other games? Or all other countries? I know for a fact that not all other countries charge a VAT, we do not. As I said earlier maybe they've decided to pass on the expense. If they charged you the same as they charged us then they would recieve less money from consumers in the UK than they do here. Excessive taxation can only lead to more expensive goods and services for the consumer, it sounds like you got lucky up to this point.

 

Let's say that's the case:

£8.99 + 20% VAT = £10.78 it does not = £12.99

So even if they decided they weren't eating the tax they'd still be charging an extra £2.21 on top of that, even before that £2.21 it would be more than any other country pays. I've no idea why you're defending it so much.


Probably due to my opposition to a VAT tax here. Some people are trying to sell us the pipe dream that such a tax wouldn't be passed on to the consumer. I think this is an example of that happening and then some according to your calculations. :)

 

  xDayx

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6/25/12 2:50:41 PM#54

I would pay $30. US a month for a game I loved personally.

  MMOSavant

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6/25/12 2:53:38 PM#55
Originally posted by KingGator
Originally posted by MMOSavant
Originally posted by KingGator
Originally posted by Kabaal

Considering every other MMO.. SWTOR, WOW, TERA, pick one.. are £8.99 incl VAT a month asking £12.99 is a bit cheeky. Especially when it's only 1 country being asked to pay 40% extra.

/shrug, maybe they're the first company that decided the consumer should eat this tax not them, after all you voted for the represenatives that enacted the tax. mmos are very cheap if you consider the amount of entertainment one gets from a well done mmorpg. No idea if this title is one of those, but I am sure the devs would like to think so.

 

He said all the others include VAT. We pay tax on them all, Funcom are shaking us down for another 30%.

All other games? Or all other countries? I know for a fact that not all other countries charge a VAT, we do not. As I said earlier maybe they've decided to pass on the expense. If they charged you the same as they charged us then they would recieve less money from consumers in the UK than they do here. Excessive taxation can only lead to more expensive goods and services for the consumer, it sounds like you got lucky up to this point.

 

 

All the other games he mentioned.

  ThemePork

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6/25/12 2:53:40 PM#56

They're upping the prices cause nobody's playing their stinkin games. Besides, there is no inflation during quasi recession, quite the opposite. If anything, the prices should go down, not up.

  Sephiroso

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6/25/12 2:54:16 PM#57
Originally posted by xDayx

I would pay $30. US a month for a game I loved personally.

thats great if you found a game you loved, but most people want to just try out an mmo, or are strapped for money and can barely afford what they're paying now, then there's others who play multiple, now if every game cost that much per month, we're reaching a forseen problem.


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  Navek

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6/25/12 2:55:15 PM#58

games not worth it, its ok but thats as far as I would rate it, just OK, deffo not worth paying 13 quid plus a cash shop.

  SlickShoes

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6/25/12 2:59:09 PM#59

The game is pretty decent but there is no way I am going to pay £12.99 a month to play it.

Every other sub game is £8.99, if TSW was great then I could maybe justify paying the £4 extra but this game ALSO has a cash shop! WHAT!? 

If you couple this price hike with the fact that other games are coming out this year and have already done that are just free to play with a cosmetic shop then this seems like a bad deal.

It is also psychological, £8.99 is single figure money it's under a tenner so its pretty easy to dismiss that amount coming out of my bank monthly, £12.99 on the other hand just has more impact.

It's the same if a bottle of coke was 99p in one shop and £1.29 in another you would buy the one thats under £1.

  Vrika

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6/25/12 2:59:47 PM#60

Funcom charges US customers 14.99$/month. The VAT they charge from EU customers is 15%, so if they charged EU customers the same price as US customers it would be 17.24$/month. Using current conversion rates, UK customers are asked to pay 20.20$/month.

Why has this turned into a discussion about VAT, when only 2.25$/month of the difference can be explained by VAT and (most) UK customers have gottent used to VAT anyway. The price difference of 2.96$/month that is not caused by taxation differences is the issue here.

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