the cool thing about EvE is that it can be as easy or as hard as you wish.

you can log in every once in a while and gank the odd ship, try your luck at probing/scavenging, do a little mining, play the market a bit, run missions,join a non abitious corp, and generally keep it very small and simple, small losses and small gains....

.....or you can got for the gusto and try and run a corp or multipe corps, run multiple accounts, try make some serious money, play politics, organize  fleets/alliances, try take over some null sec, build space stations, build Titans and besically play one of the hardest games on the market to date. The "hard core" aspect of EvE is by far one of the most complicated and difficult on the mmo market.

Remember to always have skills in queue before you log off.

In Eve it will take 24 years to learn every skill in the game yes its not a typo its 24 years to learn every skill to max.

You have to make up your mind on what you want to become.
Start small for 6 months.

Never undock a ship you cannot replace...never not even for a second.

When you do missios ALWAYS read what resistance types you need to have, never fly into a mission blindly or without knowing what is comming.

Set out a goal for yourself on what you want to do over 6 months, PvE L4 missions ? PvP solo ? PvP in a corp ?
Make s skill training for the future like i want to fly that sexy Tengu !!! and check what skills you need to train it including all the certificates.
Then train train train train train and train some more as this is the only way to get more isk in your pocket.

You will lose ships...you will get griefed...dont trust anyone...

In that regard Eve is the most hardcore mmo ever created.

Cheating is rewarded
Scamming is rewarded
Griefing is rewarded
Stealing is rewarded

You wont make it on your own so look for a newb firendly corp that can assist you with some isk and basic plans for skill training.

Some skill training books are expensive and most corps have plenty of them rotting in the corp hanger.

Fly safe....always fly safe 0/

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Originally posted by rezin44
Like others have said Eve isn't 'hard' so much as indepth. If you just want to tool around running missions or mining making modest isk then you can do fine on your own. On the flip side, if you want to make big money, it's going to take a commitment of time to accumulate skill points to fly the better ships, or be able to operate a wormhole site, or to be able to fly a compitent PvP ship. I have 3 seperate accounts I pay for with plexes bought on the market. I've lived in a wormhole for the last year or so doing sleeper sites. Taggart Transdimensional is the corp im in, we've been primarily a WH corp for a couple years now. I get the most satisfaction from the game podding others in our WH and making isk, so I guess it works for me.

Eve is a true sandbox, it can be as difficult as you want it to be. Do the tutorials..several times if you think you need it. To really learn the ins-and-outs check out eve university. Trust no one :)

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TTi is still around? Who knew 0-o

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Originally posted by Lobotomist

To earn money you need to grind. A lot.

10 hours a week is not enough for EVE

 

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Seems like there are some layers of EVE you need to unfold...

Originally posted by eckardt

thinking to start playing eve, but i want to know your opinion. i have an average iq, and i will be playing 10 hours a week.how long will it take to decently play the game? i will not  be a miner.

well if you have basic commen sense in real life and enjoy a self driven environment and is mature. then i think you will be just fine in eve. i said mature because there is lots of trolls in eve. so if you're an anal person who gets pissed over someone typing caps in world chat then ya you will have lots of problems. but eve really isnt hard to understand it's just a slow paced game. the hardest occupation you will ever get into is pvping and if you ever want to fc. i say pvping is hard because when it comes to pvping in eve. it is all about houw well you can outwit your enemy. it's not like your average mmo where u hack and slash or los someone if they are range. and this is why i also said basic commen sense is needed. anyways if you want to join eve let me know. 1 of my newest toons name is Legolas Talvanen. so feel free to contact me and i will guide u through your whole eve experience. also i would like to add. eve is more fun when u find that right corporation for you that you can stick with. 

Originally posted by Phry

Originally posted by Malcanis

Originally posted by Lobotomist

Originally posted by eckardt

thinking to start playing eve, but i want to know your opinion. i have an average iq, and i will be playing 10 hours a week.how long will it take to decently play the game? i will not  be a miner.

Ok

The game is complicated in wonderful ways. It makes you think and learn , and it never stops.

Its not hard at all , but its layered and you can always improve.

But here is a problem - something nobody will tell you :

EVE has a grind. And its more severe grind than any other game on the market.

Everything you do in EVE is limited by ammount money you have. If you want to get better you need a lot of money. To earn money you need to grind. A lot.

10 hours a week is not enough for EVE

 

The law in your analysis is that you're assuming that the only way to get money is by grinding (I suspect in hi-sec)

The last PvE I did was last month sometime, and I made 400M ISK in an hour and then the next day 850M ISK in 2 hours. Our corp has a POS in a Class 5 wormhole, and in 3 hours I made enough ISK to keep me PvPing for a month.

Other people in our alliance make ISK with freighter ganking, and they do pretty well out of it.

Others make ISK bringing ships & consumables to 0.0 for a fee, simultaneously making some ISK and supporting our campaign

Others daytrade in Jita, and they make a lot.

Others have alts in sov-holding alliances in quiet backwaters and build supercapitals.

Some just grind anomalies.

 

In short: you have choices and opportunities. You don't have to limit yourself to level 4 missions in hi-sec.

the quickest and easiest way to make isk is probably to mine, gaining enough faction to do level 4's takes a lot of work, but flying a retriever takes way less time and effort, and you can probably make 20-50m isk/hour mining in high sec.. as long as you train drone skills up enough so you can use a minimum of 3 warrior I's your normally good to go.

Easiest? Maybe

Quickest? Hell no

Eve isnt hard at all..

Games i think that are hard is like dark souls or maybe some of the zeldas etc.

Eve is just alot of information that you have to learn. Its not hard just takes a bit of your time basically. Eve is also slowpaced so cant rush and think well the longer i play the more power i will have...if you been playing Eve for maybe 3 or more years that statement will be true...if you been playing less than a year its not...only thing that will make you more powerful is in time...then once you have the SP to properly fit a certain ship then  money plays the key.

For a new player i cannot stress enough the importance of mining and such..it brings great income and they are coming out with a new mining ship as well. Also planetary interaction is great too...both of these things are like passive ways to make money ( making money while not playing).

As in most mmorpg get in a Corp fast....I mean FAST!!!! unlike other mmorpgs where u play solo this game playing solo will eventually make you leave in in about a few months or less.

I cant stay away from eve no matter what..even if i quit in a couple months i usually come right back..great game

It's been a few months since I've played but as I remember:

You can be competent in a tengu in less than 6 months and after that you can easily make over 30 million ISK an hour solo and there's no group or corp that will turn you away if they PvE and you are a tengu pilot.

The tough part is making the ISK to get the ship with proper fittings in the first place, but if money isn't a problem for you, you can buy PLEX with money and sell it for ingame ISK.

So you'll be making 300 million a week which is 1,200,000,000 a month, so 480 million will go towards buying PLEX so you can play for free and the rest for whatever hobbies you want to explore.

Of course there have been a few patches since I was in new eden so the above might of changed.  Maybe someone will jump in and affirm what I've said or disagree.

Originally posted by eckardt

thinking to start playing eve, but i want to know your opinion. i have an average iq, and i will be playing 10 hours a week.how long will it take to decently play the game? i will not  be a miner.

Well, it's going to take you a while to really get into the game (prolly about 1-2 months). On the plus side you can do a lot of your lvling offline (que up skills while you're @ work, etc.).

You don't need to have an enormous IQ to play Eve, but it is definitely a game for people who like to plan, plot, and compare numbers / spreadsheets. The game isn't nearly as action-oriented as most MMOs, instead it's more about planning out how best to go about doing what you wanna do. Either plotting the best travel routes to do missions / harvest minerals, plan the fastest path to train skills to fulfill a certain roll, etc. If that doesn't sound like your cup of tea, I'd try a different game. Eve is definitely a niche MMO, even though it's a good one.

Games not hard at all, as long as you do the tutorial.  There's a lot to learn yes, but the stuff you'll learn isn't "hard". 

Lots of people in and out of the game that can help you.  Guides out the wahzu, videos, wikis. 

It's not hard so much as it takes time to learn the amount of stuff there is to learn in EVE.  As long as you're patient, understand that nothing happens over night in EVE, and aren't anti-social, you shouldn't have any trouble with the game. 

Originally posted by Uhwop

Games not hard at all, as long as you do the tutorial.  There's a lot to learn yes, but the stuff you'll learn isn't "hard". 

Lots of people in and out of the game that can help you.  Guides out the wahzu, videos, wikis. 

It's not hard so much as it takes time to learn the amount of stuff there is to learn in EVE.  As long as you're patient, understand that nothing happens over night in EVE, and aren't anti-social, you shouldn't have any trouble with the game. 

Pretty much this. It used to be much "harder" but with the dditions of some pretty in depth tutorials that not only teach how to do various tasks and use different tools in combat, it also supplies you with a bunch of starter versions of various tools, a variety of weapons, and several different types of ships. By the time you finish the series of in game tutorials you'll have a pretty good grasp on all the basics of the game to get you started.

Between that and the large amount of guides & wiki info, you should have no problems at all.

As someone who recently gave EvE a go, i have to say it's an amazing game.

It is also very old.

I felt like the time i played it i was always trying to catch up to what others had already achieved. People have been at this game for yeaaaars and it reflects in the economy. Looked at a level 4 book i needed, price was triple my entire isk count lol.

Those things aside though, the game is really really something i wish i could have got into years ago as well ^^

Originally posted by Toxia

As someone who recently gave EvE a go, i have to say it's an amazing game.

It is also very old.

I felt like the time i played it i was always trying to catch up to what others had already achieved. People have been at this game for yeaaaars and it reflects in the economy. Looked at a level 4 book i needed, price was triple my entire isk count lol.

 

Those things aside though, the game is really really something i wish i could have got into years ago as well ^^

That's weird, the cost of skill books today are the same as when I joined many years ago unless it's resale from a player who got it from another market or bought it thru an LP store.

What prevented you from gaining the LP yourself to buy it or what stopped you from going to where it's seeded on a market to keep your costs down?

Originally posted by stragen001

Its hard. 

The game is basically an economics exam 

Economics exams are not hard....

Probably the most important thing you need to know is never fly a ship you can't afford to lose.