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  baphamet

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OP  6/17/12 9:58:36 PM#1

say what you want and how you feel about D3 but not having pvp is far and away the biggest issue with this game right now IMO


people love to compare this game to D2 as if D2 had so much more "replayability" but i honestly did not know anybody who played D2 over and over because they simply liked beating the game over and over again or liked re-rolling the same class over and over just so see what it is like using a different build.


nope, they did that to make a more efficient MF'er (so they could have better gear for pvp) or to make a new pvp build. pvp is what will keep this game going and give it the replayability it needs.

its funny that with all the complaining you see about this game, very little of it is about the main thing this game lacks.


don't get me wrong, they can still poorly implement the pvp and it wont matter much but if its done decently it will make D3 a much better long term game.


  Jimmydean

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6/17/12 10:02:24 PM#2
Originally posted by baphamet

say what you want and how you feel about D3 but not having pvp is far and away the biggest issue with this game right now IMO


people love to compare this game to D2 as if D2 had so much more "replayability" but i honestly did not know anybody who played D2 over and over because they simply liked beating the game over and over again or liked re-rolling the same class over and over just so see what it is like using a different build.


nope, they did that to make a more efficient MF'er (so they could have better gear for pvp) or to make a new pvp build. pvp is what will keep this game going and give it the replayability it needs.

 

its funny that with all the complaining you see about this game, very little of it is about the main thing this game lacks.


don't get me wrong, they can still poorly implement the pvp and it wont matter much but if its done decently it will make D3 a much better long term game.

 

True. It hasn't quite grown into it's Pay to Win shoes yet. It's just at the pay to have higher stats stage. Once PVP releases, the battle over the biggest wallet begins!

  Gruug

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6/17/12 10:07:31 PM#3

I respectively, I don't think pvp is going to be anything special. Usually isn't in those types of games. In D3 however, the pay to win factor is going to be big. Therefore, I won't bother.

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  Cetra

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6/17/12 10:08:00 PM#4
Originally posted by baphamet

pvp is what will keep this game going and give it the replayability it needs.

Exactly. I stopped playing after getting some awesome gear and beat Inferno. No motivation to get me playing.

  Kaynos1972

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6/17/12 10:09:33 PM#5

Blizzard is killing this game at the moment.  I know i'm done with it, i uninstalled it.   The constant nerfing of anything good in that game, the Pay 2 Win model, no thanks.

Forgot to add the single setup to be able to win this game, being Main Stat+Vit+Res All.  

  User Deleted
6/17/12 10:09:47 PM#6

Not to mention online only, rmah  and unstable servers are killing it. Did I mention gold sellers too ?

  Aori

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6/17/12 10:30:55 PM#7
Originally posted by Mephster

Not to mention online only, rmah  and unstable servers are killing it. Did I mention gold sellers too ?

Lets think about this for a minute.. if the game is online its alive right? If the game goes offline its dead..? Not sure how online only would play against being alive.

As for the RMAH, eh yes kinda sorta double edge sword atm, since illegal gold transactions are letting people buy up all the gear on the GAH thats profitable to resell on the RMAH. Blizzard really needs to enable gold selling on the RMAH to fix that.

The unstable servers are killing hardcore players this I do agree with, the lag spikes that have occured over the last week have been odd.

Not sure how you can blame gold sellers, every game has them.

  baphamet

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OP  6/17/12 10:46:31 PM#8


Originally posted by Aori

Originally posted by Mephster Not to mention online only, rmah  and unstable servers are killing it. Did I mention gold sellers too ?
Lets think about this for a minute.. if the game is online its alive right? If the game goes offline its dead..? Not sure how online only would play against being alive.

As for the RMAH, eh yes kinda sorta double edge sword atm, since illegal gold transactions are letting people buy up all the gear on the GAH thats profitable to resell on the RMAH. Blizzard really needs to enable gold selling on the RMAH to fix that.

The unstable servers are killing hardcore players this I do agree with, the lag spikes that have occured over the last week have been odd.

Not sure how you can blame gold sellers, every game has them.


i think he means online only is what is getting people to not want to play anymore or not play at all (that is what i meant by what is "killing" this game, not that it is actually dying lol). i can only see that argument being valid in certain situations where the service has been down a lot for certain people.

i agree with you about the gold sellers, the more popular the game, the larger infestation of gold sellers there will be. its not rocket science people, the gold sellers are going where the money is and you will never stop them.


  TGSOL

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6/17/12 10:50:11 PM#9

The only real solution to "pay 2 win" would be to have pre-set gear that you have to use when PVPing. It won't happen, of course, so we're left with "whoever can buy the best gear wins." Sad...

  killion81

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6/17/12 10:57:20 PM#10
Originally posted by TGSOL

The only real solution to "pay 2 win" would be to have pre-set gear that you have to use when PVPing. It won't happen, of course, so we're left with "whoever can buy the best gear wins." Sad...

 

But the people that buy all of the best gear will try and tell you that it's skill.  Those will be "fun" threads on the D3 forums...

  baphamet

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OP  6/17/12 11:16:38 PM#11


Originally posted by TGSOL
The only real solution to "pay 2 win" would be to have pre-set gear that you have to use when PVPing. It won't happen, of course, so we're left with "whoever can buy the best gear wins." Sad...

there will have to be pvp gear and stats implemented and if there isn't it will fail indeed.

  Aori

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6/17/12 11:26:16 PM#12
Originally posted by baphamet

 


Originally posted by Aori

Originally posted by Mephster Not to mention online only, rmah  and unstable servers are killing it. Did I mention gold sellers too ?
Lets think about this for a minute.. if the game is online its alive right? If the game goes offline its dead..? Not sure how online only would play against being alive.

 

As for the RMAH, eh yes kinda sorta double edge sword atm, since illegal gold transactions are letting people buy up all the gear on the GAH thats profitable to resell on the RMAH. Blizzard really needs to enable gold selling on the RMAH to fix that.

The unstable servers are killing hardcore players this I do agree with, the lag spikes that have occured over the last week have been odd.

Not sure how you can blame gold sellers, every game has them.

 


 

i think he means online only is what is getting people to not want to play anymore or not play at all (that is what i meant by what is "killing" this game, not that it is actually dying lol). i can only see that argument being valid in certain situations where the service has been down a lot for certain people.

 

 

That is the thing though, you can't really kill an offline game so why bring it up?

It being online only combined with the RMAH gives blizzard a reason to take care of it even further than an offline title. If they keep the game interesting and provide reasons for players to continue to gear up, the game will profit them far more than their previous title save maybe WoW.

Though as for the topic, PvP isn't a prime focus YET. Once the balance patch for inferno goes thru and people start clearing it a bit better or atleast farming half decent gear on their own.. THEN pvp will be needed, right now a small minority are ready to really enjoy PvP, the majority are frustrated with the PvE aspect still.

  AZHokie54

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6/17/12 11:27:24 PM#13

No, the game is dying because it sucks.

  MaGicBush

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6/19/12 10:59:56 AM#14

PvP would be like it was in D2 probably, which was eh. Especially with that cash shop crap it's got going on, I was intending to pre-order till I read that and very glad I stuck to my guns after hearing all this drama over the AH.

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  Epicent

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6/19/12 11:02:17 AM#15

Got to hell mode than couldnt stomach it anymore. To short and linear of a game in my opinion.

  fivoroth

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6/19/12 12:53:06 PM#16

You have access to all items in the game. If you farm, you will have gear for PvP. IT's the same as in D2. OF course, you can pay for your items. I seriously doubt that most items will fetch more than couple of bucks per item especially now that 1.03 has landed and more people will complete inferno and will be able to farm for the best items. Buying anything from the AH (be it the gold or RMAH) at the moment is a ripoff.

You also don't have to use the RMAH. Of course, some people will not play the game out of principle and I understand this sentiment. I completely disagree with this and this is why I will play the game unless it ends up not being fun.

@OP, I completely agree with you.

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  Banaghran

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6/19/12 1:22:27 PM#17

While the OP seems to have a very limited circle of people he knows and i personally find the notion that "nobody played d2 to beat the game over and over and try out different builds" insulting, he has a point.

If you keep hard (and stupid lasher hard) inferno, you will make most of the competitive types happy, if you nerf it you will make the rest happy, but the competitive types unhappy.

The game needs more activities, it was a bad idea in wow to funnel everyone and their mother into raiding, it is a bad idea to funnel everyone into inferno as a "endgame for everybody".

After this problem is fixed, we can start talking about itemization, skill system and drops, when the interference of people like "but it cannot drop in a easy area, I PLAY FOR THE HARD AREA, I WANT IT TO DROP ONLY THERE, OTHERWISE I HAVE NO REASON TO PLAY!!!" is gone.

Flame on!

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6/19/12 1:24:50 PM#18

Lack of PvP is just a symptom of what really killed D3... Blizzard.

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  zymurgeist

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6/19/12 2:18:15 PM#19
Originally posted by Banaghran

While the OP seems to have a very limited circle of people he knows and i personally find the notion that "nobody played d2 to beat the game over and over and try out different builds" insulting, he has a point.

If you keep hard (and stupid lasher hard) inferno, you will make most of the competitive types happy, if you nerf it you will make the rest happy, but the competitive types unhappy.

The game needs more activities, it was a bad idea in wow to funnel everyone and their mother into raiding, it is a bad idea to funnel everyone into inferno as a "endgame for everybody".

After this problem is fixed, we can start talking about itemization, skill system and drops, when the interference of people like "but it cannot drop in a easy area, I PLAY FOR THE HARD AREA, I WANT IT TO DROP ONLY THERE, OTHERWISE I HAVE NO REASON TO PLAY!!!" is gone.

Flame on!

:)

 They need lower level sets and more legendaries. Just in case you don't want to go on to inferno. Some people just don't feel like fighting molten frozen fire chains arcane leapers. I can't blame them for that. More optional events wouldn't hurt either.

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  Bushi131

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6/19/12 2:39:10 PM#20
Originally posted by Kaynos1972

Blizzard is killing this game at the moment.  I know i'm done with it, i uninstalled it.   The constant nerfing of anything good in that game, the Pay 2 Win model, no thanks.

Forgot to add the single setup to be able to win this game, being Main Stat+Vit+Res All.  

+1 I did uninstalled it as well.

I think that all pvper should be mage since the main stat is Res all as well.

If it's all the same to all anyway, it is gonna be pay to faceroll to steamroll to nerf to flavor of the month to the next expanson, down to zero gear, losing it all, troling , playing, paying and... back to the beginning : pay to faceroll to steamroll etc....

 

I actually play Diablo 2 at least 4 to 5 hours a week, and i think that many people should try it again for a while.

Just to see for oneself, It's really clear that even with the lesser graphics Diablo 2 is far superior in anyways. Or at least with the drop system, it's just enjoyable and has a purpose.

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