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  Kreedz

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6/17/12 3:46:54 AM#41
Originally posted by Luxely
Originally posted by Kreedz

@OP

You're Joking right?

 

WoW has ruined the MMO Market in a lot of ways, for the longest time Blizzard had a monopoly when it came to MMO's, this made other developers think they could ride on the same gravy train but instead all players got was the same repetative and exclusionary gameplay that WoW offers.

 

It is only in the past 2 years that we have been seeing people try to break from the norm and try new things, I also have little expectations when it comes to Project Titan from Blizzard because the last, what, 3 project leads have either quit or been sacked, that doesn't inspire a lot of confidence...

 

Ha. Get over yourself. WoW has ruined the MMO market? It's not Blizzard's fault for being successful. If Blizzard didn't exist, we'd be stupid enough to stay in a horrible mmo and not even know it.. Imagine if Blizzard had shown up and made WoW.. We'd feel grateful. All of you definitely will and in this current state how the market is going.. I'm definitely grateful. I get to know the difference between bad and worthy mmos now.. :) 

Quit dissing on Blizzard.. You wannabe badasses that knows such about gaming spewing on every single game out there ought to make a game themselves and they'll definitely be beneath everyone's expectations. I'd definitely love for you to get the taste of your OWN medicine. Sheesh.

Not sure why you've decided to direct your anger at me, since youre basicly agreeing with me, yet you feel the need to call me names?

In hindsight, yes, it may seem like WoW's success and more recently it's stagnation has 'taught' players to know the difference between a bad/good mmo. But it is also because it was so succesful that other developers wasted their time copying it instead of developing new tech and gameplay that we are seeing today with games like TERA, TSW, GW2, etc.

Just think what it would have been like if WoW was a failure, we might have seen these 'next gen' MMO's 5 years ago instead of just now...

"The problem with quotes from the Internet is that it's almost impossible to validate their authenticity." - Abraham Lincoln

  Hyanmen

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6/17/12 3:49:38 AM#42
Originally posted by Luxely
It's everything that everyone wants in a MMO except for a certain additions that'd be nice to be added to the game.. but, Blizzard isn't here to please every single suggestion the gamers ask for. Sorry :) 

Aside from an art style and graphics that actually manage to stay up to par to the standards of 2012 expectations?

Gamers always ridicule the importance of that aspect of MMO's, but audiovisual quality is THE driving factor for failing MMO's. Sorry guys, graphics matter. Especially if you want to out-WoW WoW.

FF:ARR FATE grinding: People not having fun by doing something not actually intended to get to a point that doesn't really matter as fast as possible. Just so they can do the same thing over and over again to gain a piece of virtual loot.

  Hyanmen

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6/17/12 3:52:17 AM#43
Originally posted by Kreedz

Just think what it would have been like if WoW was a failure, we might have seen these 'next gen' MMO's 5 years ago instead of just now...

Investors wouldn't see as much profit to be made from the genre, making them less likely to finance the development of these 'next gen' MMO's especially 5 years ago. If there's no profit to be made (and enough proof to convince those paying for it all), it's not going to happen.

WoW is an incentive as much as it is a hindrance to the development of the genre.

FF:ARR FATE grinding: People not having fun by doing something not actually intended to get to a point that doesn't really matter as fast as possible. Just so they can do the same thing over and over again to gain a piece of virtual loot.

  User Deleted
6/17/12 3:56:11 AM#44
Originally posted by DJJazzy

When you say we you really mean you, correct?

Yes he means him.  I wouldnt touch WoW 2 with a 10' pole unless it was a sandpark game with absolutely zero endgame raiding and no gear threadmill and concentrated on vertical progression instead of horizontal progression.

  faxnadu

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6/17/12 3:57:27 AM#45
Originally posted by Epicent

MoP? Get real. Give me World of Warcraft 2. Tired of looking forward to all these games and getting dissapointed constantly. How many times do I go back to WoW because other mmos come out and get boring after a week lol. Tell me project Titan is WoW 2 and I will be happy. :P

spot on. but this thing is quite brave to say here not being hammered donw by trolling and qq machines.

world of warcraft with new engine ( graphics aswell )

  User Deleted
6/17/12 3:58:52 AM#46
Originally posted by Hyanmen
Originally posted by Kreedz

Just think what it would have been like if WoW was a failure, we might have seen these 'next gen' MMO's 5 years ago instead of just now...

Investors wouldn't see as much profit to be made from the genre, making them less likely to finance the development of these 'next gen' MMO's especially 5 years ago. If there's no profit to be made (and enough proof to convince those paying for it all), it's not going to happen.

WoW is an incentive as much as it is a hindrance to the development of the genre.

Sorry thats nonsense.  MMOs are potentially a huge money maker.  Do you think Bioware got into the act because they thought SWTOR would fail?  NO, they got into the genre because there is a huge market for it as evident by the MMO's continuing to come out.  If WoW hadnt been a big hit another well-polished, high-production quality AAA MMO would of taken its place.

  Rabenwolf

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6/17/12 4:01:08 AM#47

1. WoW didnt ruin anything.

2. There is a larger audience interested in MMORPGS now than there was in 2005. Much larger.

3. Overall games and their design intentionally cater to the newer market as opposed to the old..

4. Guild Wars 2 is all thats needed for awhile. It should, influence the market for the better...at least one can only hope.

  lathaan

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6/17/12 4:05:20 AM#48
Originally posted by Cromica

All I need is GW2

+1

  Hyanmen

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6/17/12 4:05:40 AM#49
Originally posted by Zylaxx

Sorry thats nonsense.  MMOs are potentially a huge money maker.  Do you think Bioware got into the act because they thought SWTOR would fail?  NO, they got into the genre because there is a huge market for it as evident by the MMO's continuing to come out.  If WoW hadnt been a big hit another well-polished, high-production quality AAA MMO would of taken its place.

If there's no evidence of them being "potentially" huge money makers, that means more risk for the investors, who are less likely to invest in such a gamble.

WoW proved that there is a huge market for the genre. Investors got what they wanted to justify financing more high quality MMO's.

 

FF:ARR FATE grinding: People not having fun by doing something not actually intended to get to a point that doesn't really matter as fast as possible. Just so they can do the same thing over and over again to gain a piece of virtual loot.

  Skuz

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"If you can''t laugh at yourself there''s always someone around to show you how it''s done!"

6/17/12 4:12:09 AM#50

WoW 2 - not even a realistic proposition imo.

Why create a WoW 2 when it would be just as easy to improve WoW 1, they created a game that essentially borrowed from all it's predecessors but took out the painful parts & instead of mob grind added a quest grind to make for a more solo-friendly game, they've continued to do the same thing since, another game adds a feature they go & copy it over into WoW - achievements , borrowed from WAR's book of knowledge - just one example. Don't be surprised to see them crowbar in a copy of SOEmote at some point.

Just sayin'

  User Deleted
6/17/12 5:39:23 AM#51

WOW has to stop making money and die first, which won't happen for atleast 5 more years. Also, when it starts going down one day, they'll probably just make Warcraf 4 and revive thet series and milk that one. Then, after 20 years, maybe they'll make WOW 2.

  Vhaln

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6/17/12 5:42:38 AM#52

Problem with sequels is that right at the moment of conception, there's a premise of stagnation.  A successful sequel to WoW would have to mix things up, not just churn out more of the same.  Doesn't mean they can't stick to what they know works, but they should probably try drawing from something outside WoW to put a fresh spin on the genre, the way WoW itself once did.  How about incorporating some of what made Diablo 2 so successful or something more like that, instead of just churning out their own WoW clone.

When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.

  KaitarBesh

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6/17/12 5:52:26 AM#53

WoW used to be a great game, but after WOTLK and the fact it now just feels like a casual lobby game with a -really- bad community? No, if there was a WoW 2 I'm sure it would be even more casual and have an even crappier community.

 

GW2 isn't my cup of tea either, like a lot of people, I felt it was a little boring and could see myself not giving a crap after a month or two.

 

Really there aren't any current MMOs coming up that are very interesting to me. Developers seem to be largely lacking in the creativity department lately.

  fenistil

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6/17/12 5:56:20 AM#54

@OP

 

Maybe you, definately not me.

I don't need WoW2.  

To be honest Blizzard productions are not for me anymore. Either them changed them too much in wrong way or I've outgrown them. Does not matter which or those are true, or if both are.  Doubt I will play Titan.

  maplestone

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6/17/12 6:13:45 AM#55
Originally posted by m0lly

world of warcraft with new engine ( graphics aswell )

Could you expand a little on what you want from a new engine that the game's current engine cannot be evolved to do?

  fenistil

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6/17/12 6:23:26 AM#56
Originally posted by SaintPhilip
Originally posted by Jimmydean
Originally posted by Sheepduck
Blizzard has had a lot of time to watch the competition as they silently develop their next mmo so i believe what ever their next game is will be a serious contender in the market

Yea I'm sure titan will be an amazing game. With a subscription, a cash shop, paid account services, and a real money auction house.

This, And the fanboys will scream "Blizz needs to make money too you know...."

 

Ah the wonderful days of just paying one small monty fee for EVERYTHING.

THIS.

 

I am sure Titan will be monetarized to an extent we haven't saw before. I will not even touch it.  I cannot and don't want to spent as much as fanboys and wealthy big spenders - nor I want to play in CS/ RMT enviroment - that's take fun factor from me.

  coretex666

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6/17/12 6:49:42 AM#57

Despite the fact that I am not currently subscribed to WoW, I consider it to be the best MMO ever made. Those people who claim that it ruined the market make me laugh since it is an expression of pure stupidity, in my opinion. Can a product really ruin market?Any product, not just a game. I hope not...

I do not think that making WoW 2 would be a good idea since it is not only the game itself people are becoming fed up with, but also the universe/lore/setting. Lich king / Arthas (the main hero / villain for many people) was killed two expansions ago. Considering Cataclysm and Pandaria, they seem to be really week lore wise. I also doubt we will ever see Warcraft 4 like someone demanded here. The game/product is simply approaching the end of its product life cycle and should be replaced with something new when the time comes.

They stated that Titan will be based on new IP, so no World of Starcraft / Diablo. While looking forward to the announcement of the game more than anything else on the horizon, I am also a little concerned with one thing. Titan has been in development for quite many years. It means that it was already being made when the themepark WoW formula was very popular among the players. Just look at TESO. The game is being developed for several years already and the first bits of information started a wave of criticism by the mmo community for the game being WoW clone. I hope that the announcement of Titan will not ressemble the one of TESO. On the other hand, they claim that Titan will be a next gen MMO, so I believe that the concern will turn out to be unjustified.

Long story short, I think that Warcraft universe is turning dry and that community is looking for rather refreshing game that will turn everything we have experienced so far upside down :)

Above = subjective opinion

PS: I understand the demand for a new AAA MMO of high quality. I think there is a surplus of themeparks in the market at the moment none of which is really successful or revolutionary.

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  Icewhite

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6/17/12 6:56:17 AM#58
Originally posted by Alders

Even WoW can't make a WoW clone and hope to succeed.

It sure would be great to see them try.

After watching D3 though--not sure they wouldn't instead choose to produce a game that was a great commercial success..."commercial" being the important word...at least to Kotick...

Will "commercial success" become an insult meaning "terrible game" one of these days?

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  faxnadu

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6/17/12 7:02:49 AM#59
Originally posted by maplestone
Originally posted by m0lly

world of warcraft with new engine ( graphics aswell )

Could you expand a little on what you want from a new engine that the game's current engine cannot be evolved to do?

well my american friend, maybe the engine as it is will do fine we only know when its been tested with something else that dont look my little pony adventure cartoons, yes and i know this is the style like it is at warhammer but nobody says it cant be changed out of the box of cartoonish to little bit more realistic.

  Icewhite

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6/17/12 7:08:40 AM#60
Originally posted by m0lly

well my american friend, maybe the engine as it is will do fine we only know when its been tested with something else that dont look my little pony adventure cartoons, yes and i know this is the style like it is at warhammer but nobody says it cant be changed out of the box of cartoonish to little bit more realistic.

"Realistic" is not the art style they're chasing.  Never was.

It's a good question, I'd agree that maintaining the traditional art style is more important than a shiny new engine, in this case.  As disappointing as that would be, to the sellers of new GPUs.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

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