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  AutemOx

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Joined: 11/01/04
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6/15/12 2:07:36 PM#41

I have been saying it would go F2P in about a year after release for months before release, so it is nice to see that my predictions were not too far off.  The game was geared for this from the start!  The features just are not aimed at community building like EVE or SWG is.

Play as your fav retro characters: cnd-online.net. My site: www.lysle.net. Blog: creatingaworld.blogspot.com.

  chilliz

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6/15/12 2:16:10 PM#42

lol Blizzaard has beat them all.  For years we were eharing about thiwand that game will dead wow and blizzard.  The only way these games can even stay competetitive now is to go F2P bloody joke.  Half these games that have come out in the past 5-7 years have probabaly had greater the budget of the intital wow, and some slightly lebut by no means a small amount.  Yet the only games that have seemed to flourish in the post wow era have been wow, and eve, and maybe some asian f2pgames.  Roll on the pretenders, blizzard is waiting to turn you all into F2P games hahah

  Asmiroth20

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6/15/12 2:16:36 PM#43

    Some people's double-standards are showing.  The ones who gush over how good GW was with the initial buy prices and no sub fees...  What SWTOR is doing this?  FAIL!  (that's sarcasm, just incase you're horrible at discerning such things).

  Xthos

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Joined: 4/18/10
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6/15/12 2:27:00 PM#44

The meshing of trying to put single player story and a mmo didn't work the way they did it...I do not hold my game money as a shiney thing on top of a hill, so I got my money out of TOR (just played the free month)....It just wasn't worth paying for, or playing anymore.  I highly doubt I would play even for free.  The crafting is a joke, I think I maxed it out in like a couple hours...The content they are adding, from what I have seen is the same stuff that caused people to leave, I would have doubts with the budget/staff cuts that they would be delivering the same quality if it was what you liked also...

 

I really don't see a way to fix TOR, without doing some type of NGE that makes SWG's look minor...I think it is a broken model, planets would need reworked, crafting, pvp, questing...

 

I think their best bet is to get it the way they want it, drain any money out of subs they can while they rework some kind of f2p system that includes something to maybe sell people that they will feel they need to have, like maybe add a capatins quarters to everyones ships, and sell furniture and decorations that they can show off to friends, maybe even instanced housing like EQ2, or some different ships...who knows, people like Star Wars and will buy 'cool' things.  Keep the cookie cutter updates, and string people along with sparse adds to keep the costs down....They should atleast be able to make their money back, before they have to renegotiate their licensing deal with Lucas Arts and are forced out of business by the cost/profit ratio.

 

  AutemOx

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6/15/12 2:55:34 PM#45
Originally posted by chilliz

lol Blizzaard has beat them all.  For years we were eharing about thiwand that game will dead wow and blizzard.  The only way these games can even stay competetitive now is to go F2P bloody joke.  Half these games that have come out in the past 5-7 years have probabaly had greater the budget of the intital wow, and some slightly lebut by no means a small amount.  Yet the only games that have seemed to flourish in the post wow era have been wow, and eve, and maybe some asian f2pgames.  Roll on the pretenders, blizzard is waiting to turn you all into F2P games hahah

You are wrong about them having a bigger budget than WoW.  WoWs budget was ridiculously huge, especially its marketing budget.  The marketing is a big part of what helped WoW hit critical mass and all the people who would not have normally played had to try it because they had friends playing and talking about it.

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  chilliz

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6/15/12 3:56:02 PM#46
Originally posted by wormywyrm
Originally posted by chilliz

lol Blizzaard has beat them all.  For years we were eharing about thiwand that game will dead wow and blizzard.  The only way these games can even stay competetitive now is to go F2P bloody joke.  Half these games that have come out in the past 5-7 years have probabaly had greater the budget of the intital wow, and some slightly lebut by no means a small amount.  Yet the only games that have seemed to flourish in the post wow era have been wow, and eve, and maybe some asian f2pgames.  Roll on the pretenders, blizzard is waiting to turn you all into F2P games hahah

You are wrong about them having a bigger budget than WoW.  WoWs budget was ridiculously huge, especially its marketing budget.  The marketing is a big part of what helped WoW hit critical mass and all the people who would not have normally played had to try it because they had friends playing and talking about it.

Newsflash blizzards biggest tool was totall FREE, and you know what it was? WORD OF MOUTH.  Bigger than aany marketing campaign can ever do.  Lol if you think blizzard back then in bloody the early 200's had anywhere near the budget that some of these mmos have now you must be living in cloud fland.  Yes their budget was big. But they had something priceless that none of these mmos can even manage to get and thats word of mouth, the biggest free tool in human history.

  Asamof

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6/15/12 4:32:15 PM#47
Originally posted by Illyssia
Originally posted by Alot

 


Originally posted by marz.at.play
Oh boy...here we go! Release the floodgates.

 

Release the Kraken!

More like release the trolls...

 

SWTOR is a very good game and all Bioware have stated is that they are looking into F2P options. An endless trial is a F2P option for example. However, what would be really cool would be 1-49 F2P and 50 as small sub, with DLC expansions at a small purchase cost. SWTOR is looking good here, heck, it's Star Wars folks! 

"heck, it's Star Wars folks!"

this line right here pretty much invalidates all your past and future opinions

  dotdotdash

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Joined: 6/01/11
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6/15/12 6:17:48 PM#48
Originally posted by wormywyrm
Originally posted by chilliz

lol Blizzaard has beat them all.  For years we were eharing about thiwand that game will dead wow and blizzard.  The only way these games can even stay competetitive now is to go F2P bloody joke.  Half these games that have come out in the past 5-7 years have probabaly had greater the budget of the intital wow, and some slightly lebut by no means a small amount.  Yet the only games that have seemed to flourish in the post wow era have been wow, and eve, and maybe some asian f2pgames.  Roll on the pretenders, blizzard is waiting to turn you all into F2P games hahah

You are wrong about them having a bigger budget than WoW.  WoWs budget was ridiculously huge, especially its marketing budget.  The marketing is a big part of what helped WoW hit critical mass and all the people who would not have normally played had to try it because they had friends playing and talking about it.

How spurious of you.

World of Warcraft's budget is estimated to have been $40 million dollars. Adjusted for inflation, that's well under a fifth of what was reported to have been spent on SWTOR, and less than most other MMOs recently have had at their backs.

Rift cost around $50 million, which is a comparable sum. AoC had a similar budget originally, and then piled on an additional $30 million later in development, with an estimated total cost of around $70 million. Warhammer Online was estimated to have bettwen $100 million and $200 million at its disposal. The cancelled Halo MMO had $90 million. The Secret World if reported to have a budget between $70 and $80 million. And Guild Wars 2 is suspected of being ArenaNet's highest budget game, previously a title held by Aion (at an estaimted $80 million).

In short, World of Warcraft cost a similar, to lower, sum of money to make and market on release than most other competing MMOs. It's success was due to many factors, but its budget was not one of the leading factors. It's timing, it's target audience, it long term "trickle down" marketing pre-TBC, it's leveraging of budget computers, and a number of other things were major factors.

  Tyvolus

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Joined: 9/28/08
Posts: 203

6/15/12 6:25:13 PM#49


Originally posted by Asmiroth20
    Some people's double-standards are showing.  The ones who gush over how good GW was with the initial buy prices and no sub fees...  What SWTOR is doing this?  FAIL!  (that's sarcasm, just incase you're horrible at discerning such things).

im sorry, but do you not realize or can you not understand GW LAUNCHED as B2P and did quite well with that business model ? ...by way of comparison, SWTOR launched as a P2P game with expectations of 1 million subs (if not more), SWTOR is now floundering so bad that 6 months in they are desperately grasping at alternate business models as they try in vain to salvage their train wreck of a game.

  TwwIX

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Joined: 8/18/05
Posts: 213

6/15/12 6:31:54 PM#50
Originally posted by bbates024

Probably be the worst thing they could do to the game.

They've already accomplished that just by releasing this half assed, cookie cutter "MMO".

  User Deleted
6/15/12 6:38:24 PM#51

I quit playing this game after 3 weeks and didnt resub after my first 30 days.

F2P might make me login for casual, 20 min play once in a while and thats actually better than nothing to BW, as population stay reasonably high.

  Afro-Thunder

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Joined: 11/05/08
Posts: 66

6/15/12 6:41:14 PM#52
Originally posted by TwwIX
Originally posted by bbates024

Probably be the worst thing they could do to the game.

They've already accomplished that just by releasing this half assed, cookie cutter "MMO".

/winthread

  Merdur

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Joined: 9/14/10
Posts: 25

6/15/12 6:46:52 PM#53
Originally posted by chilliz

lol Blizzaard has beat them all.  For years we were eharing about thiwand that game will dead wow and blizzard.  The only way these games can even stay competetitive now is to go F2P bloody joke.  Half these games that have come out in the past 5-7 years have probabaly had greater the budget of the intital wow, and some slightly lebut by no means a small amount.  Yet the only games that have seemed to flourish in the post wow era have been wow, and eve, and maybe some asian f2pgames.  Roll on the pretenders, blizzard is waiting to turn you all into F2P games hahah

The funniest part about trashing this statement is that the only reason blizzard can claim 10mil subs is because of asia and the MASSIVE amount of bot accounts and farmers they have. NA/SA/EU only has a combined total of about 1 mil subs if that, last i checked it was about 1.2 mil and that was 3 years ago. WoW will die once everyone wises up and starts making innovations instead of trying to copy WoW. Blizzard can't innovate anything anymore why D3 is bombing hard.

 

Edit- oh btw WoW is F2P to with it's unlimited play to 15. So your statement is totally invalid since WoW is now a F2P game aswell.

  arcwest

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Joined: 3/07/12
Posts: 61

6/15/12 9:24:12 PM#54

i'd come back to swtor if it was FTP for more than 10 levels, like many other "FTP" games out there. if it's just another trial mislabled FTP i'll just wait till secret war and GW2 MOP, maybe even try Tera.

  Olgark

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Posts: 303

6/16/12 3:42:25 AM#55

Predicted this would happen 6 months after it launch when it was still in beta. The forum community at the time laughed at me. The game is ok but its not a decent enough quality for a AAA sub.

  pierth

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6/16/12 3:48:43 AM#56


Originally posted by Olgark
Predicted this would happen 6 months after it launch when it was still in beta. The forum community at the time laughed at me. The game is ok but its not a decent enough quality for a AAA sub.

Times have changed- I can't say I'm sure there's any game out there worthy of a sub.

  dadante666

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you stop laughing when hear the same joke ,but always cry for the same thing...

6/16/12 3:48:45 AM#57

well its not going to be an impact its not like nobody know it soon going to happen ,the future of mmo  going to be f2p whit CS so the company can have  gain of theyr works they do ,nowdays theres no  single mmo that is worth paying ,terra soon like aion and TSW will be f2p whithing the year of theyr release nothing new once gw2 comes out  GG to all and subs option

and then again just mi opinion

  daltanious

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Joined: 4/19/08
Posts: 1944

6/16/12 3:59:37 AM#58

Noooo.... do not ruin the best game I have ever played! F2P ... be gone!

If there are any games, and have played a lot, worth subbing ... for sure there I see only 3 (imo of course): swtor, wow and rift.

You can not run good restaurant with top food full of people that want to eat for free!

  User Deleted
6/16/12 4:07:43 AM#59
Originally posted by Olgark

Predicted this would happen 6 months after it launch when it was still in beta. The forum community at the time laughed at me. The game is ok but its not a decent enough quality for a AAA sub.

 

My guess was a year....

  Nanfoodle

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6/16/12 7:40:12 AM#60
Originally posted by zinger71
I already have a paid sub and don't logon. How will this will change this for me?

This! Thats me as well. Ya I plan to canceling soon

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