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  rguilbert

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6/14/12 11:01:16 PM#21
Originally posted by GTwander
Originally posted by rguilbert

Edit...it's an idiotic argument to tell someone who praises DAOC that "if it was so good, you'd still be playing it."  DAOC was great, but it is over 10 years old, and is obsolete now.  Anyone who makes that argument must never have liked a game at all in their entire life.  If they did, then surely they'd be playing that game now instead of posting in forums. 

Ah, so the same-old 10+ year old combat systems, wrapped around a 10+ year old concept of 3-faction PvP isn't "obsolete"?

Then why are there so many damned complaints about the state of things in this genre to begin with?

Do newer graphics make up for gameplay that is ancient at it's core? It must, seeing as how well newer games are doing once the glitz dies off after the first couple months, yeah?

It is valid for people to give an example of a great game from the past and say that they hope an upcoming game will have some or a lot of those elements.

It's idiotic to suggest that no one should do so, because they must not truly have liked that example, or else they would still be playing it. 

 

I'd say that any MMO over 10 years old is somewhat obsolete...regardless of how good of a game it was/is.  If it was truly a great game, then a newer version of it is welcome.

 

 

  GTwander

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6/14/12 11:04:22 PM#22
Originally posted by rguilbert

I'd say that any MMO over 10 years old is somewhat obsolete...regardless of how good of a game it was/is.  If it was truly a great game, then a newer version of it is welcome.

I agree!

Make a newer version of itself (DAoC2)... don't attach a facehugger to a completely different IP and expect a perfect mutant hybrid.

All these nostalgic feelings are going to DIE on first glance with the outcome, for both of us.

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  rguilbert

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6/14/12 11:17:01 PM#23
Originally posted by GTwander
Originally posted by rguilbert

I'd say that any MMO over 10 years old is somewhat obsolete...regardless of how good of a game it was/is.  If it was truly a great game, then a newer version of it is welcome.

I agree!

Make a newer version of itself (DAoC2)... don't attach a facehugger to a completely different IP and expect a perfect mutant hybrid.

All these nostalgic feelings are going to DIE on first glance with the outcome, for both of us.

Maybe.  I'm hoping it is a success though.

Honestly, I'd buy an honest attempt at DAOC2 no matter what the IP was.  The problem is that EA owns the DAOC title. 

 

 

 

  Darrgen

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6/15/12 1:10:55 AM#24
Originally posted by PyrateLV
Originally posted by Darrgen

You people not even giving the game a chance before it's even show gameplay. I dont care about a bit of lore twist or anything like that. I have more faith in Matt Firor as a lead than any other game developer. He was what made DaoC the best Pvp game still to this day and you will see that he is following the blueprints that he layed out in that game. All of you that are crying right now will see that once you actually get a hold and the game is FUN. Sure maybe not all will enjoy but I've been saying for years even after quitting Dark Age of Camelot, that if some1 was smart enough to make another Dark Age of Camelot Post WoW boom, with updated controls and small tweaks to the combat you would have a game I and any who gets a taste of realm pride will stay in forever.

Simply put even the most adament Pve'r in Dark age of camelot would instantly drop his PvE raids to go defend relics in PvP with his raid. This was the type of game that made you care about what side you picked and gave you a reason to fight for things. There was no true bad guy, you just hated the other 2 sides. You wanted to help whether you gave intel to the Zerg leaders or stood on the front lines fighting massive 3 sided 200+ person battles, or even ran around in your 8 man groups picking off players that were trying to get to their sides zergs. It was a massive cooperative ONLINE multiplayer and throughout my long history of MMOs has not been duplicated yet.  If Matt firor brings this with an IP like Elder Scrolls, then you can bet you regardless of how much hate you are spewing out now, you'll be playing and you will enjoy the hell out of it whether you agree with the lore or not because it will be fun.

If DAOC is still the best PvP to this day, then why arent you still playing? Why did you quit the best PvP game to this day? Why hope for another version then? You say you will stay forever, but you didnt stay forever in the game with the best PvP to this day.

 

I remember when people thought because Brad McQuaid made EQ he would do great with Vanguard..oops

And when people says because Mark Jacobs did great with DAOC, Warhammer would be a major success...uh..nope

Or Richard Garriot (Lord British of Ultima Online fame!) would make Tabula Rasa fantastic....D'oh

How about Jack Emmert after COH success he would make Champions Online great?.....Star Trek Online?.....ok, maybe Neverwinter then.

 I do believe if you read what i posted you would find the exact reason why I'm still not playing daoc. OLD outdated UI and controls, and it's one of those games that isn't new user friendly so it's not bringing in new people. Simple fact is I'm sure it wasn't Matt Firor's idea to Call it Elder Scrolls Online, he couldn't use Dark age of camelot because it's owned by EA. Bethseda probably wanted the Elder scrolls name attached to it simply because with the name alone you're gonna get huge hype and fanbase from that. I'm sorry you think it is butchered because it doesn't play exactly like the single player games or it doesn't have the graphics(No game will have that kinda graphics until computers and internet speeds are 100x as powerful as they are now) that Skyrim has.

Lore was stretched to fit the game and I'm sure they're working as closely as possible with Bethseda to make it as close to it as possible. Simple fact of the matter is though, they can do what they want with the Lore simply because they create it. It's in a different time period and everything can be written to fit that. If you dont have any faith that they can make it work then by all means continue crying over a game you know almost nothing about right now.

And if you knew anything about the history of Mythic you'd know Mark Jacobs was actually what ruined DaoC, him and Matt Firor had a small power struggle of sorts during the making of Trials of atlantis(ToA) the expansion that many believe ruined DaoC. Matt wanted the expansion to focus more on improving PvP since that was what the playerbase was drawn more to but Mark Jacobs wanted to add PvE content and mythic mainly being former EQ players released ToA. So no I did not have much faith in Warhammer and evidently I was right on.

  dronfwar

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1+1=1
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6/15/12 1:38:49 AM#25

It's going to be fine as long as you can mount a dragon and fly over Tamriel without loading screens. Flying the dragon through a portal would be okay too.

Im wondering if you can cast the dragons from the inventory (horse outta pocket style) or if you have to catch them in the wilderness.

On a side note even their logo is stolen. Ying and Yang is also good for a logo, just an idea.

 

  Entinerint

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Joined: 5/06/12
Posts: 717

6/15/12 4:26:56 AM#26
Originally posted by Darrgen
Originally posted by PyrateLV
Originally posted by Darrgen

You people not even giving the game a chance before it's even show gameplay. I dont care about a bit of lore twist or anything like that. I have more faith in Matt Firor as a lead than any other game developer. He was what made DaoC the best Pvp game still to this day and you will see that he is following the blueprints that he layed out in that game. All of you that are crying right now will see that once you actually get a hold and the game is FUN. Sure maybe not all will enjoy but I've been saying for years even after quitting Dark Age of Camelot, that if some1 was smart enough to make another Dark Age of Camelot Post WoW boom, with updated controls and small tweaks to the combat you would have a game I and any who gets a taste of realm pride will stay in forever.

Simply put even the most adament Pve'r in Dark age of camelot would instantly drop his PvE raids to go defend relics in PvP with his raid. This was the type of game that made you care about what side you picked and gave you a reason to fight for things. There was no true bad guy, you just hated the other 2 sides. You wanted to help whether you gave intel to the Zerg leaders or stood on the front lines fighting massive 3 sided 200+ person battles, or even ran around in your 8 man groups picking off players that were trying to get to their sides zergs. It was a massive cooperative ONLINE multiplayer and throughout my long history of MMOs has not been duplicated yet.  If Matt firor brings this with an IP like Elder Scrolls, then you can bet you regardless of how much hate you are spewing out now, you'll be playing and you will enjoy the hell out of it whether you agree with the lore or not because it will be fun.

If DAOC is still the best PvP to this day, then why arent you still playing? Why did you quit the best PvP game to this day? Why hope for another version then? You say you will stay forever, but you didnt stay forever in the game with the best PvP to this day.

 

I remember when people thought because Brad McQuaid made EQ he would do great with Vanguard..oops

And when people says because Mark Jacobs did great with DAOC, Warhammer would be a major success...uh..nope

Or Richard Garriot (Lord British of Ultima Online fame!) would make Tabula Rasa fantastic....D'oh

How about Jack Emmert after COH success he would make Champions Online great?.....Star Trek Online?.....ok, maybe Neverwinter then.

 I do believe if you read what i posted you would find the exact reason why I'm still not playing daoc. OLD outdated UI and controls, and it's one of those games that isn't new user friendly so it's not bringing in new people. Simple fact is I'm sure it wasn't Matt Firor's idea to Call it Elder Scrolls Online, he couldn't use Dark age of camelot because it's owned by EA. Bethseda probably wanted the Elder scrolls name attached to it simply because with the name alone you're gonna get huge hype and fanbase from that. I'm sorry you think it is butchered because it doesn't play exactly like the single player games or it doesn't have the graphics(No game will have that kinda graphics until computers and internet speeds are 100x as powerful as they are now) that Skyrim has.

Lore was stretched to fit the game and I'm sure they're working as closely as possible with Bethseda to make it as close to it as possible. Simple fact of the matter is though, they can do what they want with the Lore simply because they create it. It's in a different time period and everything can be written to fit that. If you dont have any faith that they can make it work then by all means continue crying over a game you know almost nothing about right now.

And if you knew anything about the history of Mythic you'd know Mark Jacobs was actually what ruined DaoC, him and Matt Firor had a small power struggle of sorts during the making of Trials of atlantis(ToA) the expansion that many believe ruined DaoC. Matt wanted the expansion to focus more on improving PvP since that was what the playerbase was drawn more to but Mark Jacobs wanted to add PvE content and mythic mainly being former EQ players released ToA. So no I did not have much faith in Warhammer and evidently I was right on.

This whole argument is irrelevant.

In case you haven't noticed (and I think Matt Firor has failed to notice this as well) this is NOT DAOC.  This is TES.  This is a very different IP with different expectations and Firor et al are ruining it by trying to stretch the TES lore over DAOC gameplay. 

Congrats DAOC fans, you got your shitty sequel to your half-baked game at the expense of one of the greatest RPG franchises in gaming history.

  Darrgen

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Joined: 10/05/10
Posts: 65

6/15/12 5:16:39 AM#27
Originally posted by Entinerint
Originally posted by Darrgen
Originally posted by PyrateLV
Originally posted by Darrgen

You people not even giving the game a chance before it's even show gameplay. I dont care about a bit of lore twist or anything like that. I have more faith in Matt Firor as a lead than any other game developer. He was what made DaoC the best Pvp game still to this day and you will see that he is following the blueprints that he layed out in that game. All of you that are crying right now will see that once you actually get a hold and the game is FUN. Sure maybe not all will enjoy but I've been saying for years even after quitting Dark Age of Camelot, that if some1 was smart enough to make another Dark Age of Camelot Post WoW boom, with updated controls and small tweaks to the combat you would have a game I and any who gets a taste of realm pride will stay in forever.

Simply put even the most adament Pve'r in Dark age of camelot would instantly drop his PvE raids to go defend relics in PvP with his raid. This was the type of game that made you care about what side you picked and gave you a reason to fight for things. There was no true bad guy, you just hated the other 2 sides. You wanted to help whether you gave intel to the Zerg leaders or stood on the front lines fighting massive 3 sided 200+ person battles, or even ran around in your 8 man groups picking off players that were trying to get to their sides zergs. It was a massive cooperative ONLINE multiplayer and throughout my long history of MMOs has not been duplicated yet.  If Matt firor brings this with an IP like Elder Scrolls, then you can bet you regardless of how much hate you are spewing out now, you'll be playing and you will enjoy the hell out of it whether you agree with the lore or not because it will be fun.

If DAOC is still the best PvP to this day, then why arent you still playing? Why did you quit the best PvP game to this day? Why hope for another version then? You say you will stay forever, but you didnt stay forever in the game with the best PvP to this day.

 

I remember when people thought because Brad McQuaid made EQ he would do great with Vanguard..oops

And when people says because Mark Jacobs did great with DAOC, Warhammer would be a major success...uh..nope

Or Richard Garriot (Lord British of Ultima Online fame!) would make Tabula Rasa fantastic....D'oh

How about Jack Emmert after COH success he would make Champions Online great?.....Star Trek Online?.....ok, maybe Neverwinter then.

 I do believe if you read what i posted you would find the exact reason why I'm still not playing daoc. OLD outdated UI and controls, and it's one of those games that isn't new user friendly so it's not bringing in new people. Simple fact is I'm sure it wasn't Matt Firor's idea to Call it Elder Scrolls Online, he couldn't use Dark age of camelot because it's owned by EA. Bethseda probably wanted the Elder scrolls name attached to it simply because with the name alone you're gonna get huge hype and fanbase from that. I'm sorry you think it is butchered because it doesn't play exactly like the single player games or it doesn't have the graphics(No game will have that kinda graphics until computers and internet speeds are 100x as powerful as they are now) that Skyrim has.

Lore was stretched to fit the game and I'm sure they're working as closely as possible with Bethseda to make it as close to it as possible. Simple fact of the matter is though, they can do what they want with the Lore simply because they create it. It's in a different time period and everything can be written to fit that. If you dont have any faith that they can make it work then by all means continue crying over a game you know almost nothing about right now.

And if you knew anything about the history of Mythic you'd know Mark Jacobs was actually what ruined DaoC, him and Matt Firor had a small power struggle of sorts during the making of Trials of atlantis(ToA) the expansion that many believe ruined DaoC. Matt wanted the expansion to focus more on improving PvP since that was what the playerbase was drawn more to but Mark Jacobs wanted to add PvE content and mythic mainly being former EQ players released ToA. So no I did not have much faith in Warhammer and evidently I was right on.

This whole argument is irrelevant.

In case you haven't noticed (and I think Matt Firor has failed to notice this as well) this is NOT DAOC.  This is TES.  This is a very different IP with different expectations and Firor et al are ruining it by trying to stretch the TES lore over DAOC gameplay. 

Congrats DAOC fans, you got your shitty sequel to your half-baked game at the expense of one of the greatest RPG franchises in gaming history.

 Hate to break it to you but you dont even know what kinda game you want. What YOU want is a single player game and thus you should stick to the single player games because that's all you will be happy with as far as elder scrolls is concerned. No amount of coding could make a game that would live up to your expectation and still be playable online with skyrim graphics and add to the fact that you would cry the second you got camped by higher level players in the sandbox game you so religiously want elder scrolls to be.  A mainstream sandbox game would never work and it's simply because people hate to be killed when there is little to nothing they can do. Too many people would mass quit and no social aspect would be that of ragers and gankers

  NasherUK

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6/15/12 5:23:59 AM#28

I agree, this game is almost guaranteed to flop.  I can't see who their target audience is supposed to be, it alienates ES fans who will want something like the single player games and there really isn't room for another wow clone  :/

It just looks like some generic theme park mmo with an Elder Scrolls back story.  There is no reason why they couldn't make it similar to the single player games. MMOFPSs have been around for over 10 years so it's not a technical limitation.

  Entinerint

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6/15/12 5:24:31 AM#29
Originally posted by Darrgen
Originally posted by Entinerint
Originally posted by Darrgen
Originally posted by PyrateLV
Originally posted by Darrgen

You people not even giving the game a chance before it's even show gameplay. I dont care about a bit of lore twist or anything like that. I have more faith in Matt Firor as a lead than any other game developer. He was what made DaoC the best Pvp game still to this day and you will see that he is following the blueprints that he layed out in that game. All of you that are crying right now will see that once you actually get a hold and the game is FUN. Sure maybe not all will enjoy but I've been saying for years even after quitting Dark Age of Camelot, that if some1 was smart enough to make another Dark Age of Camelot Post WoW boom, with updated controls and small tweaks to the combat you would have a game I and any who gets a taste of realm pride will stay in forever.

Simply put even the most adament Pve'r in Dark age of camelot would instantly drop his PvE raids to go defend relics in PvP with his raid. This was the type of game that made you care about what side you picked and gave you a reason to fight for things. There was no true bad guy, you just hated the other 2 sides. You wanted to help whether you gave intel to the Zerg leaders or stood on the front lines fighting massive 3 sided 200+ person battles, or even ran around in your 8 man groups picking off players that were trying to get to their sides zergs. It was a massive cooperative ONLINE multiplayer and throughout my long history of MMOs has not been duplicated yet.  If Matt firor brings this with an IP like Elder Scrolls, then you can bet you regardless of how much hate you are spewing out now, you'll be playing and you will enjoy the hell out of it whether you agree with the lore or not because it will be fun.

If DAOC is still the best PvP to this day, then why arent you still playing? Why did you quit the best PvP game to this day? Why hope for another version then? You say you will stay forever, but you didnt stay forever in the game with the best PvP to this day.

 

I remember when people thought because Brad McQuaid made EQ he would do great with Vanguard..oops

And when people says because Mark Jacobs did great with DAOC, Warhammer would be a major success...uh..nope

Or Richard Garriot (Lord British of Ultima Online fame!) would make Tabula Rasa fantastic....D'oh

How about Jack Emmert after COH success he would make Champions Online great?.....Star Trek Online?.....ok, maybe Neverwinter then.

 I do believe if you read what i posted you would find the exact reason why I'm still not playing daoc. OLD outdated UI and controls, and it's one of those games that isn't new user friendly so it's not bringing in new people. Simple fact is I'm sure it wasn't Matt Firor's idea to Call it Elder Scrolls Online, he couldn't use Dark age of camelot because it's owned by EA. Bethseda probably wanted the Elder scrolls name attached to it simply because with the name alone you're gonna get huge hype and fanbase from that. I'm sorry you think it is butchered because it doesn't play exactly like the single player games or it doesn't have the graphics(No game will have that kinda graphics until computers and internet speeds are 100x as powerful as they are now) that Skyrim has.

Lore was stretched to fit the game and I'm sure they're working as closely as possible with Bethseda to make it as close to it as possible. Simple fact of the matter is though, they can do what they want with the Lore simply because they create it. It's in a different time period and everything can be written to fit that. If you dont have any faith that they can make it work then by all means continue crying over a game you know almost nothing about right now.

And if you knew anything about the history of Mythic you'd know Mark Jacobs was actually what ruined DaoC, him and Matt Firor had a small power struggle of sorts during the making of Trials of atlantis(ToA) the expansion that many believe ruined DaoC. Matt wanted the expansion to focus more on improving PvP since that was what the playerbase was drawn more to but Mark Jacobs wanted to add PvE content and mythic mainly being former EQ players released ToA. So no I did not have much faith in Warhammer and evidently I was right on.

This whole argument is irrelevant.

In case you haven't noticed (and I think Matt Firor has failed to notice this as well) this is NOT DAOC.  This is TES.  This is a very different IP with different expectations and Firor et al are ruining it by trying to stretch the TES lore over DAOC gameplay. 

Congrats DAOC fans, you got your shitty sequel to your half-baked game at the expense of one of the greatest RPG franchises in gaming history.

 Hate to break it to you but you dont even know what kinda game you want. What YOU want is a single player game and thus you should stick to the single player games because that's all you will be happy with as far as elder scrolls is concerned. No amount of coding could make a game that would live up to your expectation and still be playable online with skyrim graphics and add to the fact that you would cry the second you got camped by higher level players in the sandbox game you so religiously want elder scrolls to be.  A mainstream sandbox game would never work and it's simply because people hate to be killed when there is little to nothing they can do. Too many people would mass quit and no social aspect would be that of ragers and gankers

Some awesome assumptions you're making there.

For the record I play both Mortal Online and Darkfall and I've never had so much fun as when I can be killed any moment for any reason.

That's not for everyone, but a TES MMO wouldn't have to be that at all.

I know exactly the kind of game I want from a TES MMO.  Why do you automatically equate sandbox with FFA PvP?  The two aren't inextricably linked.

For my money, if they gave us exactly what they have now except with proper TES combat and interaction (things we all know are perfectly possible in an MMO) that would appease most of the people complaining.  It wouldn't be perfect, but it would already be 100% closer to the TES feel than what they are doing now.

Bottom line is, if they can't make a proper TES MMO then they shouldn't have made one in the first place. 

  Sameer1979

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6/15/12 5:28:58 AM#30
Originally posted by Speire

Just saw the E3 video, quit making this game's online version. The graphics looked awful, scorpions must came from WOW.  Give it to the makers of Skyrim, instead of your camp.

Zenimax don't come here for feedback, wrong place to put forward your concern.

  GTwander

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6/15/12 5:32:35 AM#31
Originally posted by Sameer1979
Originally posted by Speire

Just saw the E3 video, quit making this game's online version. The graphics looked awful, scorpions must came from WOW.  Give it to the makers of Skyrim, instead of your camp.

Zenimax don't come here for feedback, wrong place to put forward your concern.

Zanimax isn't looking for feedback whatsoever, they just want a clean heist.

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  Burntvet

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Posts: 2757

6/15/12 12:56:19 PM#32
Originally posted by Ikeda
Originally posted by PyrateLV
Originally posted by Jakdstripper

...too late.

 

QFT^^ 

It's like watching a car wreck.  You know you shouldn't watch, but you do and you gape at the stupidity of all parties.

At this point, the devs probably don't have the cash to make serious revisions even if they wanted to (which they probably don't).

They just started up the hype train, and were surprised (don't know why) that fans of the ES franchaise, actually want some ES gameplay in any ES MMO and not just some "inspired by" crap in the game.

They are way too far along in the development cycle, to make anything but "another clone", nevermind the fact the "mother of all clones" is crashing as we speak.

 

In short, everyone is stuck: the fans who wanted ES gameplay are not going to get it, and the devs can't put out anything but another clone at this point (and a bunch of silly excuses).

 

  chryses

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6/15/12 10:24:46 PM#33
Originally posted by Burntvet
Originally posted by Ikeda
Originally posted by PyrateLV
Originally posted by Jakdstripper

...too late.

 

QFT^^ 

It's like watching a car wreck.  You know you shouldn't watch, but you do and you gape at the stupidity of all parties.

At this point, the devs probably don't have the cash to make serious revisions even if they wanted to (which they probably don't).

They just started up the hype train, and were surprised (don't know why) that fans of the ES franchaise, actually want some ES gameplay in any ES MMO and not just some "inspired by" crap in the game.

They are way too far along in the development cycle, to make anything but "another clone", nevermind the fact the "mother of all clones" is crashing as we speak.

 

In short, everyone is stuck: the fans who wanted ES gameplay are not going to get it, and the devs can't put out anything but another clone at this point (and a bunch of silly excuses).

 

sums it up nicely.

  darkhalf357x

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6/15/12 10:29:18 PM#34
Originally posted by Speire

Just saw the E3 video, quit making this game's online version. The graphics looked awful, scorpions must came from WOW.  Give it to the makers of Skyrim, instead of your camp.

I liked the graphics. I dont compare games with others. Why would I believe a strong console developer could instantly switch and make an excellent MMO equal to their console counterpart?

Whose right?

  GTwander

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6/15/12 10:46:07 PM#35
Originally posted by darkhalf357x
Originally posted by Speire

Just saw the E3 video, quit making this game's online version. The graphics looked awful, scorpions must came from WOW.  Give it to the makers of Skyrim, instead of your camp.

I liked the graphics. I dont compare games with others. Why would I believe a strong console developer could instantly switch and make an excellent MMO equal to their console counterpart?

Whose right?

Ignore the fact that the series originated on PC, and only the latter half of them had console ports.

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  Trionicus

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6/15/12 10:54:35 PM#36
Originally posted by Entinerint
Originally posted by Darrgen
Originally posted by PyrateLV
Originally posted by Darrgen

You people not even giving the game a chance before it's even show gameplay. I dont care about a bit of lore twist or anything like that. I have more faith in Matt Firor as a lead than any other game developer. He was what made DaoC the best Pvp game still to this day and you will see that he is following the blueprints that he layed out in that game. All of you that are crying right now will see that once you actually get a hold and the game is FUN. Sure maybe not all will enjoy but I've been saying for years even after quitting Dark Age of Camelot, that if some1 was smart enough to make another Dark Age of Camelot Post WoW boom, with updated controls and small tweaks to the combat you would have a game I and any who gets a taste of realm pride will stay in forever.

Simply put even the most adament Pve'r in Dark age of camelot would instantly drop his PvE raids to go defend relics in PvP with his raid. This was the type of game that made you care about what side you picked and gave you a reason to fight for things. There was no true bad guy, you just hated the other 2 sides. You wanted to help whether you gave intel to the Zerg leaders or stood on the front lines fighting massive 3 sided 200+ person battles, or even ran around in your 8 man groups picking off players that were trying to get to their sides zergs. It was a massive cooperative ONLINE multiplayer and throughout my long history of MMOs has not been duplicated yet.  If Matt firor brings this with an IP like Elder Scrolls, then you can bet you regardless of how much hate you are spewing out now, you'll be playing and you will enjoy the hell out of it whether you agree with the lore or not because it will be fun.

If DAOC is still the best PvP to this day, then why arent you still playing? Why did you quit the best PvP game to this day? Why hope for another version then? You say you will stay forever, but you didnt stay forever in the game with the best PvP to this day.

 

I remember when people thought because Brad McQuaid made EQ he would do great with Vanguard..oops

And when people says because Mark Jacobs did great with DAOC, Warhammer would be a major success...uh..nope

Or Richard Garriot (Lord British of Ultima Online fame!) would make Tabula Rasa fantastic....D'oh

How about Jack Emmert after COH success he would make Champions Online great?.....Star Trek Online?.....ok, maybe Neverwinter then.

 I do believe if you read what i posted you would find the exact reason why I'm still not playing daoc. OLD outdated UI and controls, and it's one of those games that isn't new user friendly so it's not bringing in new people. Simple fact is I'm sure it wasn't Matt Firor's idea to Call it Elder Scrolls Online, he couldn't use Dark age of camelot because it's owned by EA. Bethseda probably wanted the Elder scrolls name attached to it simply because with the name alone you're gonna get huge hype and fanbase from that. I'm sorry you think it is butchered because it doesn't play exactly like the single player games or it doesn't have the graphics(No game will have that kinda graphics until computers and internet speeds are 100x as powerful as they are now) that Skyrim has.

Lore was stretched to fit the game and I'm sure they're working as closely as possible with Bethseda to make it as close to it as possible. Simple fact of the matter is though, they can do what they want with the Lore simply because they create it. It's in a different time period and everything can be written to fit that. If you dont have any faith that they can make it work then by all means continue crying over a game you know almost nothing about right now.

And if you knew anything about the history of Mythic you'd know Mark Jacobs was actually what ruined DaoC, him and Matt Firor had a small power struggle of sorts during the making of Trials of atlantis(ToA) the expansion that many believe ruined DaoC. Matt wanted the expansion to focus more on improving PvP since that was what the playerbase was drawn more to but Mark Jacobs wanted to add PvE content and mythic mainly being former EQ players released ToA. So no I did not have much faith in Warhammer and evidently I was right on.

This whole argument is irrelevant.

In case you haven't noticed (and I think Matt Firor has failed to notice this as well) this is NOT DAOC.  This is TES.  This is a very different IP with different expectations and Firor et al are ruining it by trying to stretch the TES lore over DAOC gameplay. 

Congrats DAOC fans, you got your shitty sequel to your half-baked game at the expense of one of the greatest RPG franchises in gaming history.

I was a DAOC fan, but I never wanted them to butcher the TES series like this :(

  Entinerint

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Joined: 5/06/12
Posts: 717

6/16/12 12:57:52 AM#37
Originally posted by Trionicus
Originally posted by Entinerint
Originally posted by Darrgen
Originally posted by PyrateLV
Originally posted by Darrgen

You people not even giving the game a chance before it's even show gameplay. I dont care about a bit of lore twist or anything like that. I have more faith in Matt Firor as a lead than any other game developer. He was what made DaoC the best Pvp game still to this day and you will see that he is following the blueprints that he layed out in that game. All of you that are crying right now will see that once you actually get a hold and the game is FUN. Sure maybe not all will enjoy but I've been saying for years even after quitting Dark Age of Camelot, that if some1 was smart enough to make another Dark Age of Camelot Post WoW boom, with updated controls and small tweaks to the combat you would have a game I and any who gets a taste of realm pride will stay in forever.

Simply put even the most adament Pve'r in Dark age of camelot would instantly drop his PvE raids to go defend relics in PvP with his raid. This was the type of game that made you care about what side you picked and gave you a reason to fight for things. There was no true bad guy, you just hated the other 2 sides. You wanted to help whether you gave intel to the Zerg leaders or stood on the front lines fighting massive 3 sided 200+ person battles, or even ran around in your 8 man groups picking off players that were trying to get to their sides zergs. It was a massive cooperative ONLINE multiplayer and throughout my long history of MMOs has not been duplicated yet.  If Matt firor brings this with an IP like Elder Scrolls, then you can bet you regardless of how much hate you are spewing out now, you'll be playing and you will enjoy the hell out of it whether you agree with the lore or not because it will be fun.

If DAOC is still the best PvP to this day, then why arent you still playing? Why did you quit the best PvP game to this day? Why hope for another version then? You say you will stay forever, but you didnt stay forever in the game with the best PvP to this day.

 

I remember when people thought because Brad McQuaid made EQ he would do great with Vanguard..oops

And when people says because Mark Jacobs did great with DAOC, Warhammer would be a major success...uh..nope

Or Richard Garriot (Lord British of Ultima Online fame!) would make Tabula Rasa fantastic....D'oh

How about Jack Emmert after COH success he would make Champions Online great?.....Star Trek Online?.....ok, maybe Neverwinter then.

 I do believe if you read what i posted you would find the exact reason why I'm still not playing daoc. OLD outdated UI and controls, and it's one of those games that isn't new user friendly so it's not bringing in new people. Simple fact is I'm sure it wasn't Matt Firor's idea to Call it Elder Scrolls Online, he couldn't use Dark age of camelot because it's owned by EA. Bethseda probably wanted the Elder scrolls name attached to it simply because with the name alone you're gonna get huge hype and fanbase from that. I'm sorry you think it is butchered because it doesn't play exactly like the single player games or it doesn't have the graphics(No game will have that kinda graphics until computers and internet speeds are 100x as powerful as they are now) that Skyrim has.

Lore was stretched to fit the game and I'm sure they're working as closely as possible with Bethseda to make it as close to it as possible. Simple fact of the matter is though, they can do what they want with the Lore simply because they create it. It's in a different time period and everything can be written to fit that. If you dont have any faith that they can make it work then by all means continue crying over a game you know almost nothing about right now.

And if you knew anything about the history of Mythic you'd know Mark Jacobs was actually what ruined DaoC, him and Matt Firor had a small power struggle of sorts during the making of Trials of atlantis(ToA) the expansion that many believe ruined DaoC. Matt wanted the expansion to focus more on improving PvP since that was what the playerbase was drawn more to but Mark Jacobs wanted to add PvE content and mythic mainly being former EQ players released ToA. So no I did not have much faith in Warhammer and evidently I was right on.

This whole argument is irrelevant.

In case you haven't noticed (and I think Matt Firor has failed to notice this as well) this is NOT DAOC.  This is TES.  This is a very different IP with different expectations and Firor et al are ruining it by trying to stretch the TES lore over DAOC gameplay. 

Congrats DAOC fans, you got your shitty sequel to your half-baked game at the expense of one of the greatest RPG franchises in gaming history.

I was a DAOC fan, but I never wanted them to butcher the TES series like this :(

You're one of the good ones ;)

I should also note that while I did talk down about DAOC I did enjoy my two years in it.  I just found it half-baked and nowhere near the potential that a true TES MMO might have.

  zellmer

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Joined: 8/30/09
Posts: 452

6/16/12 1:02:42 AM#38

Focusing on the graphics makes me more sickened at the thread creator  then anything they could ever make..

 

 

  deathshroud

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Posts: 1392

6/16/12 8:06:42 AM#39

for me the graphics are only a small issue, its the fact that the rest of the game has even less to do with the TES license.

there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.

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