When I first started visiting this site, I thought it would be a place where people talked enthusiastically about their hobby, MMO's, just like at other MMO sites. I was wrong, that was only (very) partially true.

Now I'm starting to see mmorpg.com as a last final stop for many active visitors here before they leave MMO's behind them, their only link left with the MMO genre to complain and rant about them, not actually play them, and this maybe such for years already.

There can be many reasons for this, burnt out on them, bored out of MMO's after playing them for years and many thousands of hours, their MMO taste so narrow or specific that only a particular type of MMO might sate them and none of that kind available to play, a combination of these motives.

When this was still 2011, I might have half agreed with them, the top segment of MMORPG's lacked diversity, and not everyone is willing or adventurous enough to try out non-AAA MMO's where there might be all kinds of different flavors of MMO's, but where the quality or feature set might not be abundant enough.

However, with how the scene will be in 2013, after 2012 has passed, I gotta wonder: it looks like there'll be something for all kinds of MMO gamers.

Want something different than what has dominated the MMO market? There'll be MMO shooters, MMORTS games, themepark MMO's that aren't WoW clones, sandbox projects, you name it.

- You'll have Planetside 2, Dust 514, Firefall and later on Defiance for those who like their combat to be more shooter-like but in an MMO setting, and TERA for those who like their combat to be non-tabbed but still in a fantasy setting

- There's GW2 and TSW that infuse their different style of gameplay into the themepark genre that aren't 'WoW clones'

- For those who like the MMO type of gameplay combined with other gaming genres, you'll have games like End of Nations

- Those who can only or mainly enjoy sandbox gameplay, there's Arche Age and smaller projects like Embers of Caerus and the Repopulation, for the hardcore there's DayZ, and later on WoD and Undead Labs' zombie MMO are in progress.

It seems to me that there'll be enough diversity in 2013, with interesting MMO's to play (or beta) for all kinds of MMO gamers.

So, what do you people think, will the vibe on this site change more to the satisfied corner in 2013?

And if MMO gamers in 2013 still aren't happy and aren't able to enjoy themselves with MMO's, what does that say about them? Is that the moment they should realise that they've either outgrown the MMO scene or are done with MMO's, time to look for better hobbies for them?

I say if a person spends their time in a live game forum to flame it, rather than finding something they do enjoy, they need to move the fuck on from gaming IMO.

There are too many different types of video games, in the world, to think you have a legitimate excuse to bother others that are enjoying playing their games of choice. I know those of us that do play TOR cant have a conversation without being spammed, and I have seen remarks that the same thing is going on with Tera as well.

I remember this one South Park episode that immediately made me think about these forums... the one where Stan sees crap coming out of everything. The part where the doctor diagonosed him put it all into perspective.

"When people grow up it's like a switch is flicked, and all of a sudden, all the things they used to like seem like s**t. It's called being a cynical a**hole."

My theory, is that everyone has caught hipster disease, and now can only see things in an apathetic/ironic viewpoint. By all means, some of us have found games we can enjoy year-round, while others have found a handful they can cycle through when they lose interest in one. If there isn't a single thing out there you like, whatsoever, maybe you need to see Stan's Doctor.

Originally posted by Moaky07

I say if a person spends their time in a live game forum to flame it, rather than finding something they do enjoy, they need to move the fuck on from gaming IMO.

 

There are too many different types of video games, in the world, to think you have a legitimate excuse to bother others that are enjoying playing their games of choice. I know those of us that do play TOR cant have a conversation without being spammed, and I have seen remarks that the same thing is going on with Tera as well.

 

 

+1 to this.

Originally posted by GTwander

I remember this one South Park episode that immediately made me think about these forums... the one where Stan sees crap coming out of everything. The part where the doctor diagonosed him put it all into perspective.

"When people grow up it's like a switch is flicked, and all of a sudden, all the things they used to like seem like s**t. It's called being a cynical a**hole."

My theory, is that everyone has caught hipster disease, and now can only see things in an apathetic/ironic viewpoint. By all means, some of us have found games we can enjoy year-round, while others have found a handful they can cycle through when they lose interest in one. If there isn't a single thing out there you like, whatsoever, maybe you need to see Stan's Doctor.

I was thinking the MMO scene would be much more like the Douchebag vs the Shit Sandwhich episdode.

I want to play an MMO but get stuck with lobby games or poorly done sandboxes. :(

As to the OP, in regard to open world/sandbox/non-themepark MMO's:

Embers of Caerus will likely not ship until 2016 or so (still in pre-development), ArcheAge is still largely up in the air for the west, TES:O is doing its best to rip off Rift and GW2, and World of Darkness development was halted until Dust 514 ships.

Theres some stuff in the works but its definitely not the year of the sandbox. Yet.

Originally posted by Grixxitt

I was thinking the MMO scene would be much more like the Douchebag vs the Shit Sandwhich episdode.

I want to play an MMO but get stuck with lobby games or poorly done sandboxes. :(

 

As to the OP, in regard to open world/sandbox/non-themepark MMO's:

Embers of Caerus will likely not ship until 2016 or so (still in pre-development), ArcheAge is still largely up in the air for the west, TES:O is doing its best to rip off Rift and GW2, and World of Darkness development was halted until Dust 514 ships.

Theres some stuff in the works but its definitely not the year of the sandbox. Yet.

That sounds about right.  Include fan boys standing by telling us to be happy with our choices.

Originally posted by cutthecrap

When I first started visiting this site, I thought it would be a place where people talked enthusiastically about their hobby, MMO's, just like at other MMO sites. I was wrong, that was only (very) partially true.

Now I'm starting to see mmorpg.com as a last final stop for many active visitors here before they leave MMO's behind them, their only link left with the MMO genre to complain and rant about them, not actually play them, and this maybe such for years already.

thats a shallow conclusion

if you ever to view posts on the Pub and other "general" areas - it would be true

but this site also has forum sections devoted to each mmo

theres often more positive than negative in game specific sections

Ive been here for awhile, and granted I dont ususally complain about too many games. you have to realize when mmo players arent playing a mmo they probably have more time to post here.

I agree that 2013 looks good, but then again ive heard that before too :) I bought apd ! lol

Personally im all about the non normal mmo specially fps mmo. So defiance firefall and of course planetside 2 looks awesome for me, but those who like wow type mmos (which had the last few years of titles) arent going to get alot.

P.S I wish dayz was a stand alone mmo, and I wish dust wasnt for ps3 :(

Quality thread, but it really depends on where people are looking for MMORPGs and what they are looking for- personally once I left WoW I could not find a single MMORPG that could keep my attention for more than a few months.

The newer titles looked very promising and were hyped to the heavens but they simply didn't deliver "the MMORPG experience," rather they cut corners and offered diluted, derivative gameplay that fell somewhere between express-lane versions of MMORPGs of old and really shitty knock-offs of single player games with an added chat interface.

I will say that if MMORPG players can't find any games to stick with by the end of 2013 they either need to look for something outside of AAA MMORPGs (be it indie, modded, or emulated servers of what they did enjoy) or instead of looking for a certain "perfect game" they should refocus their efforts on finding a group of gamers that they truly enjoy playing with- because even high quality games can seem like shit if you're a social player playing alone.

Originally posted by Mannish

Originally posted by Moaky07

I say if a person spends their time in a live game forum to flame it, rather than finding something they do enjoy, they need to move the fuck on from gaming IMO.

 

There are too many different types of video games, in the world, to think you have a legitimate excuse to bother others that are enjoying playing their games of choice. I know those of us that do play TOR cant have a conversation without being spammed, and I have seen remarks that the same thing is going on with Tera as well.

 

 

+1 to this.

 Fuck that.

Some around here take any debate over a game as being negative. Including the person you quoted. I specifically remember when people were debating over population declines in TOR talking about server transfers or mergers being needed. His response? People were lying, hating, etc. Just to give one example.

Some around here treat any negative discussion relating to a game as "flaming it". Quite a few actually...

As for the OP. The vibe will remain the same. People love to debate and bitch. Regardless the games those two aspects aren't going to change.

Originally posted by UsualSuspect
I won't be leaving the genre anytime soon, mainly because it has so much potential. The problem is no developer wants to risk trying to take these MMO's to the next level, they're all playing it safe and copying tried and tested products. The MMO world is becoming saturated by WoW-alikes.

I find it amusing that the same decisions to copy other games are finally starting to blow back on the marketing idiots who made them. Gamers can only play the same damn game so many times before we stop buying them.

I just feel sorry for the generation of player that actually thinks that MMO= WoW or clone, there's so much more this genre is capable of.

I think the following statement can be useful in a variety of situations:

<BLANK> is no longer fun therefor I will stop.

Swimming is no longer fun therefor I will stop.

Singing is no longer fun therefor I will stop.

Watching Power Rangers is no longer fun therefor I will stop.

Playing Yahtzee is no longer fun therefor I will stop.

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by Mannish

Originally posted by Moaky07

I say if a person spends their time in a live game forum to flame it, rather than finding something they do enjoy, they need to move the fuck on from gaming IMO.

 

There are too many different types of video games, in the world, to think you have a legitimate excuse to bother others that are enjoying playing their games of choice. I know those of us that do play TOR cant have a conversation without being spammed, and I have seen remarks that the same thing is going on with Tera as well.

 

 

+1 to this.

 Fuck that.

Some around here take any debate over a game as being negative. Including the person you quoted. I specifically remember when people were debating over population declines in TOR talking about server transfers or mergers being needed. His response? People were lying, hating, etc. Just to give one example.

Some around here treat any negative discussion relating to a game as "flaming it". Quite a few actually...

As for the OP. The vibe will remain the same. People love to debate and bitch. Regardless the games those two aspects aren't going to change.

 

Quote me, or stfu eh? Constructive criticism is a good thing. Too bad the retards having a monkey shit tossing session, in the TOR forums, is something I would expect from Romper Room. Hell I would be happy if they could simply show some clerical skills, and keep the bitching to similar threads, and not spam the forum with regurgitated shit, or worse "from the crack of the ass" headlines.

There is a thread right now stating TOR is 200k or 300k subs. Yep....totally factual. /sarcasm off

When you have folks panhandling for donations, to get the Repopulation made, coming into a forum talking about a game not being able to do this/that, that is pure irony at work. How about topics of how well SWG done? Yep we have seen those as well.

Maybe I am wrong.....maybe forum PVP is the way to go. Perhaps I should consider going into ArcheAge forums to attack that game, or the Repopulation forums to remind folks they couldnt come up with funding by conventional methods. Would it really hurt if I threw half truths, or flat out lies....that does appear to be the modus operandi around these parts.

Sorry....I dont need to stoop to that level. Pity some others cant say the same.

No. I think the people will continue to play the ageing games that they like while they criticize the apparent stagnation of the genre.

For the most part I haven't enjoyed MMOs since WOW and to be honest todays games with the title MMO are not MMOs. The genre needs to understand what it means to be a MMO and why these games are not MMO just online co-op games. MMOs are a lot more depth than what 90% of the current comminity even want to play.

I haven't played MMOs for years except for betas...They all suck ass!

Originally posted by Moaky07

Quote me, or stfu eh? Constructive criticism is a good thing. Too bad the retards having a monkey shit tossing session, in the TOR forums, is something I would expect from Romper Room. Hell I would be happy if they could simply show some clerical skills, and keep the bitching to similar threads, and not spam the forum with regurgitated shit, or worse "from the crack of the ass" headlines.

 

There is a thread right now stating TOR is 200k or 300k subs. Yep....totally factual. /sarcasm off

 

When you have folks panhandling for donations, to get the Repopulation made, coming into a forum talking about a game not being able to do this/that, that is pure irony at work. How about topics of how well SWG done? Yep we have seen those as well.

 

Maybe I am wrong.....maybe forum PVP is the way to go. Perhaps I should consider going into ArcheAge forums to attack that game, or the Repopulation forums to remind folks they couldnt come up with funding by conventional methods. Would it really hurt if I threw half truths, or flat out lies....that does appear to be the modus operandi around these parts.

 

Sorry....I dont need to stoop to that level. Pity some others cant say the same.

 

 

 

 

 Some people take it to extremes. Nothing new there. Of course their estimates are ludicrous in that topic. Goes both ways though. I've seen just as many hilarious numbers to try and defend the game as I have bashing it. There are just as many people with their head buried in the sand over TOR as there are those that have some inherent need to ensure TOR goes down in flames.

The need to complain is human nature.

There are 47+M MMO players just in the US. This forum is a very small fraction of the MMO players. The fraction who posts and complains are even smaller. You do not feel that because that is what you mostly read.

Most people who are having fun with their games dont participate in forums. They also have a lot less incentive to post.

So my prediction is that 2013 will be no different than 2012 ... this (and many other) forums will be dominated by complaints.

Personally, I can't wait for World of Darkness!  But that's more like 2015. =\