Originally posted by Panthien

Originally posted by udon

Originally posted by Soandsoso

Originally posted by udon

Originally posted by Soandsoso

If you don't like the item mall then don't use it. Its not mandatory. I really don't see the issue here.

Yea don't use it and look like a clone next to everyone else in game clothing wise.  There are like 4 jackets in game right now each in 6 or so colors and that's it.  I have never seen or heard of a single clothing item you can craft or one that drops off mobs.  As far as I can tell everything that affects your appearance is in the cash shop.

Maybe that will change by launch and maybe it won't.

They didn't add them to the beta as it would be just be bloat at this point and time. Atm they have the basics so people can beta test, find the bugs and such so they can fix them.

Its obvious that that wasn't why you played.

I have played and never once saw someone that looked like me and that was with the limited options.

 

Do you know that's the reason appearance gear isn't droping or are you assuming that's the reason?

Actually it does drop, ontop of that there are several locations where NPCs sell cosmetic clothes for the same currency you get from mobs and question and.. some quests DO reward cosmetic gear.

It makes perfect sense you wont have every single cosmetic piece of clothes to chose from, that and.. hardly any mmo even lets you chose a look at creation.

 

Theres several hundred articles of clothing  in CC and in game stores. Why would you look like anyone else?

Many many games have been doing this for years.

Wow has been doing this for years. Blizzard pulled that one over their players head for years before players even were aware they had a cash shop (they disguised it well but then again their player base isn't terribly smart or independent thinkers to begin with. How could they be when being around so long to aquire it's own generation of Wow only mmo players).

How is this news to anyone? Typically though there is a huge difference between a pure cash shop game and a hybrid one. True CS games have mechanics in place that force players to the CS in order to reach the highest levels of power at end game. Hybrids (or western hybrids typically) tend to have far more optional investments within the CS and alternative means within the game to aquire equal power through time investment.

Most true eastern (and Allods) CS games absolutely force you the CS in order to reach anything near BIS gear or buffs and in order to reach those levels you must exponentially invest your money.

If anyone here thinks that GW2 + CS or TSW + CS or even LoTRO + CS is equal to a true F2P game they seriously are way out of touch with the business model.

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by tares

It doesn't make sense to have both without a free to play co-current model going too.  It really doesn't make sense when they expect 33% of revenues to come from the cash shop when there is no free to play model going.

This is what grinded my gears,  tailsman and weapon upgrades were readily available and were upgraded often. However, at the end of zone two open beta my toon looked the same as she did when I started the game.  I go to the shops faction areas and the stores have the same outfits from the toon creation options.  The suit was the only new options I saw and even that could have been in the toon creater.

My guess is all new clothes and styles will be put in the cash shop so my toon would always look the same if I decided to start one and play a million hours because clothes are very limited in the game, yet I'm sure will be more developed in the store.  Toon looks are important, remember all the swtor rage over gear that looked like trash bags, even after it was fixed so could make any gear have the same stats.

There are several hundred articles of clothing in character creation of which you get to pick 5. If it is as you say (I haven't found all of them, the are not all in london) and all several hundred are in game, I can't see how that's a bad thing. 

 

Why didn't you buy some?

I picked the best outfit available during toon creation, like I pointed out you can pick all of the best styles during toon creation.  There is no progression in how you look without the cash shop. So my concern is those 10-15 styles of clothes per slot are the only options w/o paying for the many styles in the cash shop.

There are not many styles as many of the options are just a colour choice. 

Not a problem for me, as long as the cash shop doesn't contain P2W items. :)

GW2 = BOX + CS + MANY PAID EXPANSION

TSW = BOX + CS+ SUB + NO EXPANSION OR ONLY 1 EXPANSION

ANY SANE PERSON WILL CHOSE GW2 OVER TSW.

LOOK AT AOC HISTORY, OVER 4 YEARS FUNCOM ONLY RELEASE 1 EXPANSION FOR IT (GODSLAYER) AND THEY UPDATE / ADD CONTENT EXTREMELY SLOW, RECENTLY THEY JUST COMPLETED THEIR EXPANSION RAID AFTER 2 YEARS ALREADY BEEN OUT. 

I BET THIS WILL NOT MUCH DIFFERENT WITH TSW WHERE INSTEAD OF RELEASING NEW CONTENT FUNCOM WILL ONLY BUSY FIXING BROKEN STUFFS, PATCH IT, ANOTHER STUFF BROKE DUE TO THE PATCH, PATCH IT AGAIN, ANOTHER ONE BROKE AGAIN AND SO ON. 

FUNCOM'S AOC CS ALSO SELL "I WIN DPS POTION", EPIC GEAR, PVP GEAR, BEST MOUNTS AND I BELIEVE TSW WILL BE THE SAME.

LOOKING AT GW1 HISTORY, AT LEAST GW2 WILL HAVE MANY PAID EXPANSION (CONTENT) THAN ONLY 1 OR NO EXPANSION AT ALL LIKE WHAT TSW WILL BE.  :)

Originally posted by tares

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by tares

It doesn't make sense to have both without a free to play co-current model going too.  It really doesn't make sense when they expect 33% of revenues to come from the cash shop when there is no free to play model going.

This is what grinded my gears,  tailsman and weapon upgrades were readily available and were upgraded often. However, at the end of zone two open beta my toon looked the same as she did when I started the game.  I go to the shops faction areas and the stores have the same outfits from the toon creation options.  The suit was the only new options I saw and even that could have been in the toon creater.

My guess is all new clothes and styles will be put in the cash shop so my toon would always look the same if I decided to start one and play a million hours because clothes are very limited in the game, yet I'm sure will be more developed in the store.  Toon looks are important, remember all the swtor rage over gear that looked like trash bags, even after it was fixed so could make any gear have the same stats.

There are several hundred articles of clothing in character creation of which you get to pick 5. If it is as you say (I haven't found all of them, the are not all in london) and all several hundred are in game, I can't see how that's a bad thing. 

 

Why didn't you buy some?

I picked the best outfit available during toon creation, like I pointed out you can pick all of the best styles during toon creation.  There is no progression in how you look without the cash shop. So my concern is those 10-15 styles of clothes per slot are the only options w/o paying for the many styles in the cash shop.

There are not many styles as many of the options are just a colour choice. 

Yuck. 

Originally posted by tares

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by tares

It doesn't make sense to have both without a free to play co-current model going too.  It really doesn't make sense when they expect 33% of revenues to come from the cash shop when there is no free to play model going.

This is what grinded my gears,  tailsman and weapon upgrades were readily available and were upgraded often. However, at the end of zone two open beta my toon looked the same as she did when I started the game.  I go to the shops faction areas and the stores have the same outfits from the toon creation options.  The suit was the only new options I saw and even that could have been in the toon creater.

My guess is all new clothes and styles will be put in the cash shop so my toon would always look the same if I decided to start one and play a million hours because clothes are very limited in the game, yet I'm sure will be more developed in the store.  Toon looks are important, remember all the swtor rage over gear that looked like trash bags, even after it was fixed so could make any gear have the same stats.

There are several hundred articles of clothing in character creation of which you get to pick 5. If it is as you say (I haven't found all of them, the are not all in london) and all several hundred are in game, I can't see how that's a bad thing. 

 

Why didn't you buy some?

I picked the best outfit available during toon creation, like I pointed out you can pick all of the best styles during toon creation.  There is no progression in how you look without the cash shop. So my concern is those 10-15 styles of clothes per slot are the only options w/o paying for the many styles in the cash shop.

There are not many styles as many of the options are just a colour choice. 

So what about the cosmetic drops from dungeons and bosses? or the merchant in three starting cities? or the ones you get from your faction as you progress in ranks? you conveniently forgot to mention all that.

Originally posted by Sameer1979

Originally posted by tares

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by tares

It doesn't make sense to have both without a free to play co-current model going too.  It really doesn't make sense when they expect 33% of revenues to come from the cash shop when there is no free to play model going.

This is what grinded my gears,  tailsman and weapon upgrades were readily available and were upgraded often. However, at the end of zone two open beta my toon looked the same as she did when I started the game.  I go to the shops faction areas and the stores have the same outfits from the toon creation options.  The suit was the only new options I saw and even that could have been in the toon creater.

My guess is all new clothes and styles will be put in the cash shop so my toon would always look the same if I decided to start one and play a million hours because clothes are very limited in the game, yet I'm sure will be more developed in the store.  Toon looks are important, remember all the swtor rage over gear that looked like trash bags, even after it was fixed so could make any gear have the same stats.

There are several hundred articles of clothing in character creation of which you get to pick 5. If it is as you say (I haven't found all of them, the are not all in london) and all several hundred are in game, I can't see how that's a bad thing. 

 

Why didn't you buy some?

I picked the best outfit available during toon creation, like I pointed out you can pick all of the best styles during toon creation.  There is no progression in how you look without the cash shop. So my concern is those 10-15 styles of clothes per slot are the only options w/o paying for the many styles in the cash shop.

There are not many styles as many of the options are just a colour choice. 

So what about the cosmetic drops from dungeons and bosses? or the merchant in three starting cities? or the ones you get from your faction as you progress in ranks? you conveniently forgot to mention all that.

No, I mentioned the shops having the same gear from the toon creation.  I look at the quest/mob rewards when I pick them up and didn't see any shirts, shoes, or any other items. If they have new fashion models drop from bosses, that is cool.

I finished everything though and didn't see anything so checked the shop. If you made a toon in open beta 3 you could select any merchant items, beta 1 and 2 had fewer options.

Challenge or boing grinds to get an item isn't an issue, in SWTOR I did all the space missions for a helmit and ran nOObs hrough the first instance, because hard modes didn't give social points, for social points to get cosmetic gear that can be upgraded to equal the best gear in that game.

In short ...... not me

I work hard and the price of a game to pay for a month is hardly sod all. I get bloody pissed with this same topic keep coming up with regards to paying for a game with a sub. Do you all think that GW2 will not be rolling out a fair few expansions swiftly then?

Everyone has there own ways of making a few.

If it's just vanity items, then the answer would be "No, it doesn't bother me a bit."  If you have PROOF that it's going to be filled with something else then go ahead and display the proof for all to see, otherwise it's just addle-brained speculation.

Originally posted by tares

Originally posted by Sameer1979

Originally posted by tares

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by tares

It doesn't make sense to have both without a free to play co-current model going too.  It really doesn't make sense when they expect 33% of revenues to come from the cash shop when there is no free to play model going.

This is what grinded my gears,  tailsman and weapon upgrades were readily available and were upgraded often. However, at the end of zone two open beta my toon looked the same as she did when I started the game.  I go to the shops faction areas and the stores have the same outfits from the toon creation options.  The suit was the only new options I saw and even that could have been in the toon creater.

My guess is all new clothes and styles will be put in the cash shop so my toon would always look the same if I decided to start one and play a million hours because clothes are very limited in the game, yet I'm sure will be more developed in the store.  Toon looks are important, remember all the swtor rage over gear that looked like trash bags, even after it was fixed so could make any gear have the same stats.

There are several hundred articles of clothing in character creation of which you get to pick 5. If it is as you say (I haven't found all of them, the are not all in london) and all several hundred are in game, I can't see how that's a bad thing. 

 

Why didn't you buy some?

I picked the best outfit available during toon creation, like I pointed out you can pick all of the best styles during toon creation.  There is no progression in how you look without the cash shop. So my concern is those 10-15 styles of clothes per slot are the only options w/o paying for the many styles in the cash shop.

There are not many styles as many of the options are just a colour choice. 

So what about the cosmetic drops from dungeons and bosses? or the merchant in three starting cities? or the ones you get from your faction as you progress in ranks? you conveniently forgot to mention all that.

No, I mentioned the shops having the same gear from the toon creation.  I look at the quest/mob rewards when I pick them up and didn't see any shirts, shoes, or any other items. If they have new fashion models drop from bosses, that is cool.

I finished everything though and didn't see anything so checked the shop. If you made a toon in open beta 3 you could select any merchant items, beta 1 and 2 had fewer options.

Challenge or boing grinds to get an item isn't an issue, in SWTOR I did all the space missions for a helmit and ran nOObs hrough the first instance, because hard modes didn't give social points, for social points to get cosmetic gear that can be upgraded to equal the best gear in that game.

Not all gear is not same, for example you don't have option for gloves while making your character but you can buy those from merchant in New York. There are other different looking gear too. Also there is faction specific outfits and cosmetic drops from dungeons. There is plenty of variety in gear and we have only seen two regions in open beta so far. So nope you won't be forced to spend cash in item shop to look unique.

I don't really mind when an MMO has a non-game-breaking item shop (although having it on top of a sub fee is outrageous), but it's the monthly fees themselves that I do mind in this day and age. So for me it's rather simple: I would buy the game if it didn't have a subscription fee.

Keeping away the subscription fee is 44% higher than say the industry standard in the UK and 30% odd for the rest of EU.  I am waiting for planetside 2 which is free to play and no subscription but I will dump a months worth of fee into it every month to build points so I can be a plasma noob (tribes ascend pun).

Well what keeps me most is game itself. (even though after seing first cinematic I was so fired up...)

So currently I would not play even if someone would pay for my box and sub and there would be no CS.

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Still sub + CS is big no no for any mmorpg. Alredy decided I will not play TSW before beta weekends - day Funcom announced sub + CS business model.

Originally posted by DonY81

In short ...... not me

 

I work hard and the price of a game to pay for a month is hardly sod all. I get bloody pissed with this same topic keep coming up with regards to paying for a game with a sub. Do you all think that GW2 will not be rolling out a fair few expansions swiftly then?

 

Everyone has there own ways of making a few.

Sub by itself is a none issue. It's the inclusion of the cash shop on top which is the cheeky move.

I personally won't support any game that has both.

Originally posted by tares

Originally posted by Sameer1979

Originally posted by tares

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by tares

It doesn't make sense to have both without a free to play co-current model going too.  It really doesn't make sense when they expect 33% of revenues to come from the cash shop when there is no free to play model going.

This is what grinded my gears,  tailsman and weapon upgrades were readily available and were upgraded often. However, at the end of zone two open beta my toon looked the same as she did when I started the game.  I go to the shops faction areas and the stores have the same outfits from the toon creation options.  The suit was the only new options I saw and even that could have been in the toon creater.

My guess is all new clothes and styles will be put in the cash shop so my toon would always look the same if I decided to start one and play a million hours because clothes are very limited in the game, yet I'm sure will be more developed in the store.  Toon looks are important, remember all the swtor rage over gear that looked like trash bags, even after it was fixed so could make any gear have the same stats.

There are several hundred articles of clothing in character creation of which you get to pick 5. If it is as you say (I haven't found all of them, the are not all in london) and all several hundred are in game, I can't see how that's a bad thing. 

 

Why didn't you buy some?

I picked the best outfit available during toon creation, like I pointed out you can pick all of the best styles during toon creation.  There is no progression in how you look without the cash shop. So my concern is those 10-15 styles of clothes per slot are the only options w/o paying for the many styles in the cash shop.

There are not many styles as many of the options are just a colour choice. 

So what about the cosmetic drops from dungeons and bosses? or the merchant in three starting cities? or the ones you get from your faction as you progress in ranks? you conveniently forgot to mention all that.

No, I mentioned the shops having the same gear from the toon creation.  I look at the quest/mob rewards when I pick them up and didn't see any shirts, shoes, or any other items. If they have new fashion models drop from bosses, that is cool.

I finished everything though and didn't see anything so checked the shop. If you made a toon in open beta 3 you could select any merchant items, beta 1 and 2 had fewer options.

Challenge or boing grinds to get an item isn't an issue, in SWTOR I did all the space missions for a helmit and ran nOObs hrough the first instance, because hard modes didn't give social points, for social points to get cosmetic gear that can be upgraded to equal the best gear in that game.

You picked the "best available" out of several hundred articles of clothing? You just don't ware you favorite shirt everyday irl do you? You have a lot of options, much more than most games. Champions is about the only game that I can think of that that might give you more option in what you ware. There may be another, Idk but you get the idea.

10-15 styles per slot each of those 10-15 styles has about 10 different colors. How many styles of pants are there irl? I know I'd be hard pressed to think of 15 different styles of pants. 

As far as the difference between beta 1, 2, and 3, it's beta. ofcourse if a dev is doing the right thing there will be more "things" as beta goes on. That's what beta is for. Now that you have a lot more choices availible to you, get some PAX and change those dirty jeans and old shirt 

YES YES ..and YES ...op its a ripoff and they should be taken to the Human Right NGO's

When STO did that i kicked it to the curb... Greed ..thats all ...if you make a good open world MMO game your subs will be enough.

They expecting idiots to fall for this.....

Oh wait are they offering LIFETIME subs ...ROFL.... ROFL

I'm no mathematician, but...

sub fee + item shop + EA = epic fail