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  Soandsoso

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Joined: 3/08/12
Posts: 422

6/11/12 2:32:12 PM#21

If you don't like the item mall then don't use it. Its not mandatory. I really don't see the issue here.

  BeansnBread

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Joined: 9/19/06
Posts: 5544

6/11/12 2:33:29 PM#22
Originally posted by TheSedated
Originally posted by Ambros123
Originally posted by FredomSekerZ

TSW- Box sale, sub fee, CS, paid expansions

GW2- Box sale, CS, paid expansion

Don't see a problem. Companies are trying to milk your money. Nothing new.

Fixed that

ANet bleeds a lot less than the majority of companies out there and if you think for an instanct that Funcom, especially since their owned by EA, won't charged for an expansion then your delusional.

As for the OP, retail sale + sub + CS pretty much sealed why I won't play TSW along with EA's backing along with other criticisms I have of the game.  Nice game and will be a decent MMO though.  Throwing away 100+ bucks just to really try a game is not worth it to me after SWTOR considering there are numerous other alternatives out there for a mere fraction of the price like GW2, NWO, Mechwarrior Online and others.  Companies need to drop the whole retail sale + sub model.  Now if that perfect MMO came along then it would be a different story but that only happens in lala land.

Funcom is NOT owned by EA, nor does EA have anything to do with the devlopment of The Secret World! As stated over and over and over, Funcom has a publishing contract with EA Partners. EA Partners is a subdivision of EA, specialized on publishing games from other companies that do not have the infrastructure to do that themselfs. This means EA Partners is producing the boxes and shipping them around the world, like they did with Cryteks Crysis, for example, and several other games.

Meh, who cares.

 

It's still extremely likely that they'll have paid expansions.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  User Deleted
6/11/12 2:36:02 PM#23
Originally posted by Ambros123
Originally posted by FredomSekerZ

TSW- Box sale, sub fee, CS, paid expansions

GW2- Box sale, CS, paid expansion

Don't see a problem. Companies are trying to milk your money. Nothing new.

Fixed that

ANet bleeds a lot less than the majority of companies out there and if you think for an instanct that Funcom, especially since their owned by EA, won't charged for an expansion then your delusional.

As for the OP, retail sale + sub + CS pretty much sealed why I won't play TSW along with EA's backing along with other criticisms I have of the game.  Nice game and will be a decent MMO though.  Throwing away 100+ bucks just to really try a game is not worth it to me after SWTOR considering there are numerous other alternatives out there for a mere fraction of the price like GW2, NWO, Mechwarrior Online and others.  Companies need to drop the whole retail sale + sub model.  Now if that perfect MMO came along then it would be a different story but that only happens in lala land.

1- Funcom isn't owned by EA.

2- I said possible paid expansions. I wouldn't be suprised if they did, but hopefully, they'll go for free patch updates, and an exp pack in a year, like Rift's doing.

3- "I already paid for the box and sub. If i have to pay any extra amount of money, it's a rip off. Even if it's for just cosmetic items"

Let me use this logic again

"I already paid for the box, exp pack and has a CS. If i have to pay any extra amount of money of another game just to have access to other items, it's a rip off. Even if it's just cosmetic"

EDIT: Look, 2 greedy companies that are trying to milk me. Like i said, nothing new. Stop trying to believe devs care more about you than your money.

  udon

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Joined: 12/23/07
Posts: 1603

6/11/12 2:39:19 PM#24
Originally posted by Soandsoso

If you don't like the item mall then don't use it. Its not mandatory. I really don't see the issue here.

Yea don't use it and look like a clone next to everyone else in game clothing wise.  There are like 4 jackets in game right now each in 6 or so colors and that's it.  I have never seen or heard of a single clothing item you can craft or one that drops off mobs.  As far as I can tell everything that affects your appearance is in the cash shop.

Maybe that will change by launch and maybe it won't.

  BeansnBread

Hard Core Member

Joined: 9/19/06
Posts: 5544

6/11/12 2:41:28 PM#25
Originally posted by FredomSekerZ
Originally posted by Ambros123
Originally posted by FredomSekerZ

TSW- Box sale, sub fee, CS, paid expansions

GW2- Box sale, CS, paid expansion

Don't see a problem. Companies are trying to milk your money. Nothing new.

Fixed that

ANet bleeds a lot less than the majority of companies out there and if you think for an instanct that Funcom, especially since their owned by EA, won't charged for an expansion then your delusional.

As for the OP, retail sale + sub + CS pretty much sealed why I won't play TSW along with EA's backing along with other criticisms I have of the game.  Nice game and will be a decent MMO though.  Throwing away 100+ bucks just to really try a game is not worth it to me after SWTOR considering there are numerous other alternatives out there for a mere fraction of the price like GW2, NWO, Mechwarrior Online and others.  Companies need to drop the whole retail sale + sub model.  Now if that perfect MMO came along then it would be a different story but that only happens in lala land.

1- Funcom isn't owned by EA.

2- I said possible paid expansions. I wouldn't be suprised if they did, but hopefully, they'll go for free patch updates, and an exp pack in a year, like Rift's doing.

3- "I already paid for the box and sub. If i have to pay any extra amount of money, it's a rip off. Even if it's for just cosmetic items"

Let me use this logic again

"I already paid for the box, exp pack and has a CS. If i have to pay any extra amount of money of another game just to have access to other items, it's a rip off. Even if it's just cosmetic"

EDIT: Look, 2 greedy companies that are trying to milk me. Like i said, nothing new. Stop trying to believe devs care more about you than your money.

Assuming an expansion comes out in one year for both games.

 

GW2 - $60 until expansion 1 year from now. You don't have to spend any money in the cash shop.

 

TSW - $240 until expansion 1 year from now. You do not have to pay for anything in the cash shop.

 

Do you see the difference?

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  Soandsoso

Hard Core Member

Joined: 3/08/12
Posts: 422

6/11/12 2:44:44 PM#26
Originally posted by udon
Originally posted by Soandsoso

If you don't like the item mall then don't use it. Its not mandatory. I really don't see the issue here.

Yea don't use it and look like a clone next to everyone else in game clothing wise.  There are like 4 jackets in game right now each in 6 or so colors and that's it.  I have never seen or heard of a single clothing item you can craft or one that drops off mobs.  As far as I can tell everything that affects your appearance is in the cash shop.

Maybe that will change by launch and maybe it won't.

They didn't add them to the beta as it would be just be bloat at this point and time. Atm they have the basics so people can beta test, find the bugs and such so they can fix them.

Its obvious that that wasn't why you played.

I have played and never once saw someone that looked like me and that was with the limited options.

 

  Soandsoso

Hard Core Member

Joined: 3/08/12
Posts: 422

6/11/12 2:46:05 PM#27
Originally posted by colddog04
Originally posted by FredomSekerZ
Originally posted by Ambros123
Originally posted by FredomSekerZ

TSW- Box sale, sub fee, CS, paid expansions

GW2- Box sale, CS, paid expansion

Don't see a problem. Companies are trying to milk your money. Nothing new.

Fixed that

ANet bleeds a lot less than the majority of companies out there and if you think for an instanct that Funcom, especially since their owned by EA, won't charged for an expansion then your delusional.

As for the OP, retail sale + sub + CS pretty much sealed why I won't play TSW along with EA's backing along with other criticisms I have of the game.  Nice game and will be a decent MMO though.  Throwing away 100+ bucks just to really try a game is not worth it to me after SWTOR considering there are numerous other alternatives out there for a mere fraction of the price like GW2, NWO, Mechwarrior Online and others.  Companies need to drop the whole retail sale + sub model.  Now if that perfect MMO came along then it would be a different story but that only happens in lala land.

1- Funcom isn't owned by EA.

2- I said possible paid expansions. I wouldn't be suprised if they did, but hopefully, they'll go for free patch updates, and an exp pack in a year, like Rift's doing.

3- "I already paid for the box and sub. If i have to pay any extra amount of money, it's a rip off. Even if it's for just cosmetic items"

Let me use this logic again

"I already paid for the box, exp pack and has a CS. If i have to pay any extra amount of money of another game just to have access to other items, it's a rip off. Even if it's just cosmetic"

EDIT: Look, 2 greedy companies that are trying to milk me. Like i said, nothing new. Stop trying to believe devs care more about you than your money.

Assuming an expansion comes out in one year for both games.

 

GW2 - $60 until expansion 1 year from now. You don't have to spend any money in the cash shop.

 

TSW - $240 until expansion 1 year from now. You do not have to pay for anything in the cash shop.

 

Do you see the difference?

Than play GW2 and move on. I really don't see what your issue is.

  BeansnBread

Hard Core Member

Joined: 9/19/06
Posts: 5544

6/11/12 2:47:33 PM#28
Originally posted by Soandsoso
Originally posted by colddog04
Originally posted by FredomSekerZ

1- Funcom isn't owned by EA.

2- I said possible paid expansions. I wouldn't be suprised if they did, but hopefully, they'll go for free patch updates, and an exp pack in a year, like Rift's doing.

3- "I already paid for the box and sub. If i have to pay any extra amount of money, it's a rip off. Even if it's for just cosmetic items"

Let me use this logic again

"I already paid for the box, exp pack and has a CS. If i have to pay any extra amount of money of another game just to have access to other items, it's a rip off. Even if it's just cosmetic"

EDIT: Look, 2 greedy companies that are trying to milk me. Like i said, nothing new. Stop trying to believe devs care more about you than your money.

Assuming an expansion comes out in one year for both games.

 

GW2 - $60 until expansion 1 year from now. You don't have to spend any money in the cash shop.

 

TSW - $240 until expansion 1 year from now. You do not have to pay for anything in the cash shop.

 

Do you see the difference?

Than play GW2 and move on. I really don't see what your issue is.

No issue. That guy was acting like it was the same. It's not at all the same.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  jugularvein

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Joined: 4/23/08
Posts: 368

6/11/12 2:55:14 PM#29

Wasn't sure if the OP mentioned this but you could get into the beta this weekend via a free key from MMORPG.  Think at this point in time they have around 6k left.  I decided that I will wait until a few months to see how this game turns out.  The sub fee and cash shop is a pretty interesting concept to start out with, I'm honestly waiting for peoples feedback on it.  I am sure it will prob be fluff items but as other mentioned the track record for Funcom isn't all that positive.  I'm glad they made a different type of game with The Secret World, but after being burned on previous MMo's (dc universe, SWTOR, Diablo 3, I'll wait.

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  User Deleted
6/11/12 2:57:17 PM#30
Originally posted by colddog04
Originally posted by Soandsoso
Originally posted by colddog04
Originally posted by FredomSekerZ

1- Funcom isn't owned by EA.

2- I said possible paid expansions. I wouldn't be suprised if they did, but hopefully, they'll go for free patch updates, and an exp pack in a year, like Rift's doing.

3- "I already paid for the box and sub. If i have to pay any extra amount of money, it's a rip off. Even if it's for just cosmetic items"

Let me use this logic again

"I already paid for the box, exp pack and has a CS. If i have to pay any extra amount of money of another game just to have access to other items, it's a rip off. Even if it's just cosmetic"

EDIT: Look, 2 greedy companies that are trying to milk me. Like i said, nothing new. Stop trying to believe devs care more about you than your money.

Assuming an expansion comes out in one year for both games.

 

GW2 - $60 until expansion 1 year from now. You don't have to spend any money in the cash shop.

 

TSW - $240 until expansion 1 year from now. You do not have to pay for anything in the cash shop.

 

Do you see the difference?

Than play GW2 and move on. I really don't see what your issue is.

No issue. That guy was acting like it was the same. It's not at all the same.

I know it's not the same. F2P i don't have to pay anything. So?

What i'm trying to show is that this whole sub and CS is by evil companies milking your money. It's true, it is, but it's not like Anet's any different.

Again, TSW may or may not have paid expansions. Also, don't fans say GW2 will have them every 6-8 months? It's 12 now.

Like i said, TSW milks you with box, sub and CS

GW2 milks you with GW1, box, exp, some from CS.

  udon

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Joined: 12/23/07
Posts: 1603

6/11/12 3:00:18 PM#31
Originally posted by Soandsoso
Originally posted by udon
Originally posted by Soandsoso

If you don't like the item mall then don't use it. Its not mandatory. I really don't see the issue here.

Yea don't use it and look like a clone next to everyone else in game clothing wise.  There are like 4 jackets in game right now each in 6 or so colors and that's it.  I have never seen or heard of a single clothing item you can craft or one that drops off mobs.  As far as I can tell everything that affects your appearance is in the cash shop.

Maybe that will change by launch and maybe it won't.

They didn't add them to the beta as it would be just be bloat at this point and time. Atm they have the basics so people can beta test, find the bugs and such so they can fix them.

Its obvious that that wasn't why you played.

I have played and never once saw someone that looked like me and that was with the limited options.

 

Do you know that's the reason appearance gear isn't droping or are you assuming that's the reason?

  strangepowers

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Posts: 579

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6/11/12 3:02:02 PM#32


Originally posted by FredomSekerZ
TSW- Box sale, sub fee, CS. Possible paid expansions

GW2- Box sale, CS, paid expansion, buy GW1 to have acces to HOM rewards

Don't see a problem. Companies are trying to milk your money. Nothing new.


Businesses exist to make money...that's the point. It's not milking, that comes across a bit childish, or as a statement coming from one inexperienced with how the real world works.

The scary part is one day the world will be run by adults who were never spanked as kids and got trophies just for participating.

  BeansnBread

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Joined: 9/19/06
Posts: 5544

6/11/12 3:02:13 PM#33
Originally posted by FredomSekerZ
Originally posted by colddog04
Originally posted by Soandsoso
Originally posted by colddog04
Originally posted by FredomSekerZ

1- Funcom isn't owned by EA.

2- I said possible paid expansions. I wouldn't be suprised if they did, but hopefully, they'll go for free patch updates, and an exp pack in a year, like Rift's doing.

3- "I already paid for the box and sub. If i have to pay any extra amount of money, it's a rip off. Even if it's for just cosmetic items"

Let me use this logic again

"I already paid for the box, exp pack and has a CS. If i have to pay any extra amount of money of another game just to have access to other items, it's a rip off. Even if it's just cosmetic"

EDIT: Look, 2 greedy companies that are trying to milk me. Like i said, nothing new. Stop trying to believe devs care more about you than your money.

Assuming an expansion comes out in one year for both games.

 

GW2 - $60 until expansion 1 year from now. You don't have to spend any money in the cash shop.

 

TSW - $240 until expansion 1 year from now. You do not have to pay for anything in the cash shop.

 

Do you see the difference?

Than play GW2 and move on. I really don't see what your issue is.

No issue. That guy was acting like it was the same. It's not at all the same.

I know it's not the same. F2P i don't have to pay anything. So?

What i'm trying to show is that this whole sub and CS is by evil companies milking your money. It's true, it is, but it's not like Anet's any different.

Again, TSW may or may not have paid expansions. Also, don't fans say GW2 will have them every 6-8 months? It's 12 now.

Like i said, TSW milks you with box, sub and CS

GW2 milks you with GW1, box, exp, some from CS.

Why do you keep adding in GW1? If you buy GW1, you actually get to play GW1, an entire game filled with a ton of content. Linking your accounts gives you consmetic fluff in GW2. It is not a requirement to play GW2, just so you know.

 

GW2 - Box + Exp

TWS - Box + Sub + Exp

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  Soandsoso

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6/11/12 3:02:34 PM#34
Originally posted by FredomSekerZ
Originally posted by colddog04
Originally posted by Soandsoso
Originally posted by colddog04
Originally posted by FredomSekerZ

1- Funcom isn't owned by EA.

2- I said possible paid expansions. I wouldn't be suprised if they did, but hopefully, they'll go for free patch updates, and an exp pack in a year, like Rift's doing.

3- "I already paid for the box and sub. If i have to pay any extra amount of money, it's a rip off. Even if it's for just cosmetic items"

Let me use this logic again

"I already paid for the box, exp pack and has a CS. If i have to pay any extra amount of money of another game just to have access to other items, it's a rip off. Even if it's just cosmetic"

EDIT: Look, 2 greedy companies that are trying to milk me. Like i said, nothing new. Stop trying to believe devs care more about you than your money.

Assuming an expansion comes out in one year for both games.

 

GW2 - $60 until expansion 1 year from now. You don't have to spend any money in the cash shop.

 

TSW - $240 until expansion 1 year from now. You do not have to pay for anything in the cash shop.

 

Do you see the difference?

Than play GW2 and move on. I really don't see what your issue is.

No issue. That guy was acting like it was the same. It's not at all the same.

I know it's not the same. F2P i don't have to pay anything. So?

What i'm trying to show is that this whole sub and CS is by evil companies milking your money. It's true, it is, but it's not like Anet's any different.

Again, TSW may or may not have paid expansions. Also, don't fans say GW2 will have them every 6-8 months? It's 12 now.

Like i said, TSW milks you with box, sub and CS

GW2 milks you with GW1, box, exp, some from CS.

They can only milk you of your money if you choose to use the cash shop.

  Soandsoso

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6/11/12 3:04:14 PM#35
Originally posted by udon
Originally posted by Soandsoso
Originally posted by udon
Originally posted by Soandsoso

If you don't like the item mall then don't use it. Its not mandatory. I really don't see the issue here.

Yea don't use it and look like a clone next to everyone else in game clothing wise.  There are like 4 jackets in game right now each in 6 or so colors and that's it.  I have never seen or heard of a single clothing item you can craft or one that drops off mobs.  As far as I can tell everything that affects your appearance is in the cash shop.

Maybe that will change by launch and maybe it won't.

They didn't add them to the beta as it would be just be bloat at this point and time. Atm they have the basics so people can beta test, find the bugs and such so they can fix them.

Its obvious that that wasn't why you played.

I have played and never once saw someone that looked like me and that was with the limited options.

 

Do you know that's the reason appearance gear isn't droping or are you assuming that's the reason?

Read it in a thread. Don't remember if it was this forum or the official ones.

  Paradigm68

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6/11/12 3:08:10 PM#36
Originally posted by Soandsoso

If you don't like the item mall then don't use it. Its not mandatory. I really don't see the issue here.

There is an impact though even if you don't use it. Games with cash shops to some extent have their development focus skewed towards getting people to use the cash shop. That is opposed to a dev focus geared towards making the game fun enough to play to keep you subbed.

  Soandsoso

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6/11/12 3:10:12 PM#37

Dev interview.

 

But what will those happy people look like? Of course they will have big smiles on their faces, but they can’t walk around nude either. Well, in this game maybe they can, but usually everyone likes to have their own style when it comes to in-game clothing. We have heard lots about how many pieces of clothing there are in the game, so everyone will be able to look the way they want to, but we still haven’t heard how we can get hold of them. It seems like we won’t just be able to go shopping for them right away either:

“Some of the clothes are purchasable from vendors, some are available in the item shop, but most of it is reward based. One thing I’m particularly excited about is the template deck outfits. Template decks are a set of powers that enables the player to fulfill a certain role, and this is comparable to Magic the Gatherings starter decks. On completion of any of these templates the player is given an outfit that reflects what that deck is. So for instance if a player completes the Ninja deck, he or she is given a Ninja costume. And all of the templates are faction specific, meaning that there will be different outfits for Templars, Illuminati or Dragon!”

  Soandsoso

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6/11/12 3:14:46 PM#38
Originally posted by Paradigm68
Originally posted by Soandsoso

If you don't like the item mall then don't use it. Its not mandatory. I really don't see the issue here.

There is an impact though even if you don't use it. Games with cash shops to some extent have their development focus skewed towards getting people to use the cash shop. That is opposed to a dev focus geared towards making the game fun enough to play to keep you subbed.

Then don't play the game? I know where you are coming from but if enough people felt that way then we wouldn't be seeing this trend.

  Derpybird

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6/11/12 3:15:38 PM#39

TSW internal projections have indicated that they expect, on average, an addition $5.25 a month per subscriber in cash shop purchases.

The game is releasing shortly and they have not yet fully disclosed what kinds of items you can buy. I know what the developers have said, but the idea of "convenience" and "nice to have" may me one thing to me, and one thing to a company looking to make an additional $60 a year off of players.

Yes, the $5.25 is an average per player. Some will spend nothing and some will spend a lot, but there it is.

Additionally, when paying a sub, one generally expects regular content updates that somehow justify the fee. We know they have material planned for 7 years, but we have little information on content patch release cycles. With only 8 areas at launch, I am curious about the longevity of content without doing PvP or doing repeatable quests.

"Loading screens" are not "instances".
Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.

  User Deleted
6/11/12 3:18:50 PM#40
Originally posted by colddog04
Originally posted by FredomSekerZ
Originally posted by colddog04
Originally posted by Soandsoso
Originally posted by colddog04
Originally posted by FredomSekerZ

Why do you keep adding in GW1? If you buy GW1, you actually get to play GW1, an entire game filled with a ton of content. Linking your accounts gives you consmetic fluff in GW2. It is not a requirement to play GW2, just so you know.

 

GW2 - Box + Exp

TWS - Box + Sub + Exp

Because many may not like GW1, just GW2. Look, i think that it's a good game. Very unique and innovative for it's time, but some may just not be into it, even with all that content. Hell, many are playing it just for the HOM rewards without giving a sh** for the gane.

Also, your logic makes no sense. The CS is cosmetic fluff that is not required to play TSW either. So, why is GW2 ok and so bad with TSW.

TSW- I pay for my box, sub and even then, i have CS that i must pay for to have access to 100% of the full game, even if cosmetic.

GW2- I pay my box, expansions, and even then i have to buy another game i don't want just to have access to 100% of the full game,even if only cosmetic


 

 

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