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  udon

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Joined: 12/23/07
Posts: 1614

6/19/12 1:44:20 PM#221
Originally posted by Panthien
Originally posted by udon
Originally posted by Panthien
Originally posted by Soandsoso
Originally posted by cinos

@Soandsoso: Just a minor point, but that quote regarding Transmutation stones is really outdated. Whilst you can also buy them in the shop I also acquired one by completing all the marked stuff in Queensdale. Likely there are now other ways to acquire them too.

Additionally mobs also drop dye now. So you don't even have to use the cash shop to acquire either of those items.

And there is clothing in TSW that you can obtain ingame as well. Like I said. Some are willing to pay for the fluff, some are willing to play for the fluff. To say that I am not going to play the game because it gave me options is foolish. That is what this post is about.

This game gave me the option to use an item store and I wont play because of that. Most sensible people will say then just don't use the store and enjoy the game as is.

Soandsoso you can another minor detail to that, most, if not all the clothes and fluff that will be in the itemstore would NOT have entered the game without the itemstore.

WoW is a great excample of this, look at the itemstore mounts, then look at the rehashed model of the racial mount they gave to worgens or the hippogryph mount thats being recycled over and over.

LOL, that's kind of backwards logic if you ask me.  Is it that those items would have never been introduced if it wasn't for the item mall or that the item mall allows Blizzard to double dip customers so they only release the best items into it?  WoW makes north of 100 million dollars a month off of subs alone.  No one can say with a straight face they need the cash shop to be able to fund adding new items into the game.  That they WANT to add them via the cash shop because it makes more money I will accept.

TSW is dong the same thing.  They seperated stats from appearance which my first reaction was "Oh cool that's a good idea" followed after playing for awhile with "Oh I see why they did that".  It makes itemizing them in the cash shop way easier than games that tie stats to them.  Clothing in the ingame store is very limited, you can't craft it, it doesn't drop that often if at all in any but the hardest dungeons and than only one piece at a time making sets very hard to build that way, and decks are really a end game reward and there are only a handful of them.

TSW was built from the ground up to heavily encourage people using the cash shop.  I just don't understand how anyone can not see that.  Maybe your fine with it but it's the truth.

 

Ok look how blizzard recycles styles period. They really only work on some new designs when a new dungeon or tier is introduced, they introduced transmorphication yet they didnt add new looks to the game to play with.

EQ2 illustrates the same, the didnt really add new looks without adding new tiers, encounters nor dungeons, yet with the item mall a huge range of additional looks was added. Same can be said for DCUO.

What is the point for them to add new styles to the game if theres nothing in it for them.  TSW is no different then the rest, they wouldnt add without adding new content like new tiers of dungeons/raids encounters or even crafting.

Now your statement about wow  amuses me, noone said they  "need"the cash store, yet its there and its definately there to make a profit. But the truth of the matter still remains, the mounts and vanity pets wouldnt have entered the game without their item mall.

EQ2 and DCUO are F2P so I'm not sure you can count those.  I sub to EQ2 and get $5 a month in station cash to use in the game store.  It's not a great system and I wish for the old days when EQ2 was Sub only but it's better than nothing I guess.

The idea that content wouldn't be introduced without a cash shop is narrow focused.  Content would be still be created if the cash shop didn't exist or the MMO would close down in short order.  Cash shops just let the developers double dip the profits.  Your paying a monthly fee for the privliage of using a cash shop to buy new content.  That seems wrong to me.

RIFT has done just fine without a cash shop and has IMO one of the most impressive content release schedules in the industry.  SWTOR also despite it's huge budget didn't feel the need for a cash shop and has done a decent job releasing new content and has a big new batch of content coming that will be free.  MMO companies CAN run a profitable bussiness with a game on subs alone, the fact that two (Blizzard and Funcom) want to double dip should be something we as consumers take note of and ask;

Is this game really worth the premium price of a Box + Sub + cash shop the developer is asking for it?

You obviously say yes, and that's ok but accept that many others will say no.  I can almost see Blizzard commanding such a premium because WoW is the big boy on the block (despite my hate for that game).  But TSW?  They are making a bold move saying out of the gate that the game is good enough to justify such a premium cost to play.

  Panthien

Novice Member

Joined: 6/07/12
Posts: 566

6/19/12 1:55:24 PM#222
Originally posted by udon
Originally posted by Panthien
Originally posted by udon
Originally posted by Panthien
Originally posted by Soandsoso
Originally posted by cinos

@Soandsoso: Just a minor point, but that quote regarding Transmutation stones is really outdated. Whilst you can also buy them in the shop I also acquired one by completing all the marked stuff in Queensdale. Likely there are now other ways to acquire them too.

Additionally mobs also drop dye now. So you don't even have to use the cash shop to acquire either of those items.

And there is clothing in TSW that you can obtain ingame as well. Like I said. Some are willing to pay for the fluff, some are willing to play for the fluff. To say that I am not going to play the game because it gave me options is foolish. That is what this post is about.

This game gave me the option to use an item store and I wont play because of that. Most sensible people will say then just don't use the store and enjoy the game as is.

Soandsoso you can another minor detail to that, most, if not all the clothes and fluff that will be in the itemstore would NOT have entered the game without the itemstore.

WoW is a great excample of this, look at the itemstore mounts, then look at the rehashed model of the racial mount they gave to worgens or the hippogryph mount thats being recycled over and over.

LOL, that's kind of backwards logic if you ask me.  Is it that those items would have never been introduced if it wasn't for the item mall or that the item mall allows Blizzard to double dip customers so they only release the best items into it?  WoW makes north of 100 million dollars a month off of subs alone.  No one can say with a straight face they need the cash shop to be able to fund adding new items into the game.  That they WANT to add them via the cash shop because it makes more money I will accept.

TSW is dong the same thing.  They seperated stats from appearance which my first reaction was "Oh cool that's a good idea" followed after playing for awhile with "Oh I see why they did that".  It makes itemizing them in the cash shop way easier than games that tie stats to them.  Clothing in the ingame store is very limited, you can't craft it, it doesn't drop that often if at all in any but the hardest dungeons and than only one piece at a time making sets very hard to build that way, and decks are really a end game reward and there are only a handful of them.

TSW was built from the ground up to heavily encourage people using the cash shop.  I just don't understand how anyone can not see that.  Maybe your fine with it but it's the truth.

 

Ok look how blizzard recycles styles period. They really only work on some new designs when a new dungeon or tier is introduced, they introduced transmorphication yet they didnt add new looks to the game to play with.

EQ2 illustrates the same, the didnt really add new looks without adding new tiers, encounters nor dungeons, yet with the item mall a huge range of additional looks was added. Same can be said for DCUO.

What is the point for them to add new styles to the game if theres nothing in it for them.  TSW is no different then the rest, they wouldnt add without adding new content like new tiers of dungeons/raids encounters or even crafting.

Now your statement about wow  amuses me, noone said they  "need"the cash store, yet its there and its definately there to make a profit. But the truth of the matter still remains, the mounts and vanity pets wouldnt have entered the game without their item mall.

EQ2 and DCUO are F2P so I'm not sure you can count those.  I sub to EQ2 and get $5 a month in station cash to use in the game store.  It's not a great system and I wish for the old days when EQ2 was Sub only but it's better than nothing I guess.

The idea that content wouldn't be introduced without a cash shop is narrow focused.  Content would be still be created if the cash shop didn't exist or the MMO would close down in short order.  Cash shops just let the developers double dip the profits.  Your paying a monthly fee for the privliage of using a cash shop to buy new content.  That seems wrong to me.

RIFT has done just fine without a cash shop and has IMO one of the most impressive content release schedules in the industry.  SWTOR also despite it's huge budget didn't feel the need for a cash shop and has done a decent job releasing new content and has a big new batch of content coming that will be free.  MMO companies CAN run a profitable bussiness with a game on subs alone, the fact that two (Blizzard and Funcom) want to double dip should be something we as consumers take note of and ask;

Is this game really worth the premium price of a Box + Sub + cash shop the developer is asking for it?

You obviously say yes, and that's ok but accept that many others will say no.

You know trying to twist words wont work too well here. Noone is saying content wont be added without a itemstore.

Just like every other game (including F2P ones like EQ2 and DCUO) the game WILL add new free content and styles. Just not as many with the item mall. Item malls are there to make money everyone knows that.  Im not a fan of item malls either but Im realistic, the styles added there would not have entered the game otherwise.

  udon

Hard Core Member

Joined: 12/23/07
Posts: 1614

6/19/12 2:02:22 PM#223
Originally posted by Panthien
Originally posted by udon
EQ2 and DCUO are F2P so I'm not sure you can count those.  I sub to EQ2 and get $5 a month in station cash to use in the game store.  It's not a great system and I wish for the old days when EQ2 was Sub only but it's better than nothing I guess.

The idea that content wouldn't be introduced without a cash shop is narrow focused.  Content would be still be created if the cash shop didn't exist or the MMO would close down in short order.  Cash shops just let the developers double dip the profits.  Your paying a monthly fee for the privliage of using a cash shop to buy new content.  That seems wrong to me.

RIFT has done just fine without a cash shop and has IMO one of the most impressive content release schedules in the industry.  SWTOR also despite it's huge budget didn't feel the need for a cash shop and has done a decent job releasing new content and has a big new batch of content coming that will be free.  MMO companies CAN run a profitable bussiness with a game on subs alone, the fact that two (Blizzard and Funcom) want to double dip should be something we as consumers take note of and ask;

Is this game really worth the premium price of a Box + Sub + cash shop the developer is asking for it?

You obviously say yes, and that's ok but accept that many others will say no.

You know trying to twist words wont work too well here. Noone is saying content wont be added without a itemstore.

Just like every other game (including F2P ones like EQ2 and DCUO) the game WILL add new free content and styles. Just not as many with the item mall. Item malls are there to make money everyone knows that.  Im not a fan of item malls either but Im realistic, the styles added there would not have entered the game otherwise.

The big difference with TSW is that it was created from the ground up to make the cash shop the primary means of gathering clothing.

How can I say that?  Easy, clothing has no stats which means no pay to win issues with it in the cash shop.  The options in the shops are very limitied, there is no clothing crafing, clothing items drops from mobs are very rare except in the hardest dungeons which only drop random pieces (making set building really hard) and the clothing from decks are really more end game with only a handful of options.

I feel pretty safe saying that Funcom designed clothing in TSW in such a way that MOST people will find the urge to use the cash shop to buy things overwelming.

  bcbully

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Joined: 3/03/12
Posts: 7251

6/19/12 2:12:47 PM#224
Originally posted by colddog04
Originally posted by udon

Back on the topic of cash shop plus sub.

The only other non F2P MMO I can think of that rates a sub plus cash shop is WoW.  All the others have a F2P option as well or are sub only.  And it isn't even WoW at launch that had this it was 5 year old WoW with 10 million plus subs.

Now does anyone really think TSW rates the same payment model as 5 year old WoW?  I mean I hate WoW, hate is probably a understatment for my feelings on WoW but the balls at Funcom at doing this are amazing.

The only thing that makes sense is Funcom knows the game is headed towards F2P and probably even has it in thier one year plan so is putting the systems in place to make the transistion as easy as possible.  And whatever bonus reveue they can snag before than all the better.  EQ2 did the exact same thing about a year before going F2P.

 

Box + Sub = OK

Box + Shop = OK

Sub + Shop = Iffy, needs to be great and shop needs to be fair

Box + Sub + Shop = WTF man

/thread 

 

spot on. 

When I eat chocolate chip pie it just doesn't feel like chocolate chip cookies. The texture, the consistency, it's just not the same and this is disappointing.

  Panthien

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Joined: 6/07/12
Posts: 566

6/19/12 2:17:42 PM#225
Originally posted by udon
Originally posted by Panthien
Originally posted by udon
EQ2 and DCUO are F2P so I'm not sure you can count those.  I sub to EQ2 and get $5 a month in station cash to use in the game store.  It's not a great system and I wish for the old days when EQ2 was Sub only but it's better than nothing I guess.

The idea that content wouldn't be introduced without a cash shop is narrow focused.  Content would be still be created if the cash shop didn't exist or the MMO would close down in short order.  Cash shops just let the developers double dip the profits.  Your paying a monthly fee for the privliage of using a cash shop to buy new content.  That seems wrong to me.

RIFT has done just fine without a cash shop and has IMO one of the most impressive content release schedules in the industry.  SWTOR also despite it's huge budget didn't feel the need for a cash shop and has done a decent job releasing new content and has a big new batch of content coming that will be free.  MMO companies CAN run a profitable bussiness with a game on subs alone, the fact that two (Blizzard and Funcom) want to double dip should be something we as consumers take note of and ask;

Is this game really worth the premium price of a Box + Sub + cash shop the developer is asking for it?

You obviously say yes, and that's ok but accept that many others will say no.

You know trying to twist words wont work too well here. Noone is saying content wont be added without a itemstore.

Just like every other game (including F2P ones like EQ2 and DCUO) the game WILL add new free content and styles. Just not as many with the item mall. Item malls are there to make money everyone knows that.  Im not a fan of item malls either but Im realistic, the styles added there would not have entered the game otherwise.

The big difference with TSW is that it was created from the ground up to make the cash shop the primary means of gathering clothing.

How can I say that?  Easy, clothing has no stats which means no pay to win issues with it in the cash shop.  The options in the shops are very limitied, there is no clothing crafing, clothing items drops from mobs are very rare except in the hardest dungeons which only drop random pieces (making set building really hard) and the clothing from decks are really more end game with only a handful of options.

I feel pretty safe saying that Funcom designed clothing in TSW in such a way that MOST people will find the urge to use the cash shop to buy things overwelming.

Yes you are right, the apperance setup is there to encourage people to use the mall. Not that people need much encouragement, the snowflake effect pretty much does that for them.

But with or without the store the game would have been released with aprox the same amounth of styles, the item mall just adds additional ones.

Now the game DOES have a large sellection of styles on npcs and there are plenty of dropped and mission rewarded styles. The funny thing is, they arent keeping content (styles) from you, they add additional content (styles) through the item mall. Stomping your feet wont change that fact.

But lets start at the basics, the whole industry is about making money, blizzard does it for the money, EA does it for the money, Bioware does it for the money. Ncsoft does it for the money, Arenanet is doing it for the money and dont worry Arenanet will definately try to encourage you to spent yours.

  bcbully

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Joined: 3/03/12
Posts: 7251

6/19/12 2:18:39 PM#226
Originally posted by udon
 

LOL, that's kind of backwards logic if you ask me.  Is it that those items would have never been introduced if it wasn't for the item mall or that the item mall allows Blizzard to double dip customers so they only release the best items into it?  WoW makes north of 100 million dollars a month off of subs alone.  No one can say with a straight face they need the cash shop to be able to fund adding new items into the game.  That they WANT to add them via the cash shop because it makes more money I will accept.

TSW is dong the same thing.  They seperated stats from appearance which my first reaction was "Oh cool that's a good idea" followed after playing for awhile with "Oh I see why they did that".  It makes itemizing them in the cash shop way easier than games that tie stats to them.  Clothing in the ingame store is very limited, you can't craft it, it doesn't drop that often if at all in any but the hardest dungeons and than only one piece at a time making sets very hard to build that way, and decks are really a end game reward and there are only a handful of them.

TSW was built from the ground up to heavily encourage people using the cash shop.  I just don't understand how anyone can not see that.  Maybe your fine with it but it's the truth.

 

word on the street is that "soon tm" you'll be able to craft clothes

When I eat chocolate chip pie it just doesn't feel like chocolate chip cookies. The texture, the consistency, it's just not the same and this is disappointing.

  mgilbrtsn

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He who fights and runs away... misses out on the loot

6/19/12 2:22:09 PM#227

not I

They are coming for you!

  KolatSpy

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6/19/12 2:42:11 PM#228

I really don't see what the problem is. There is a monthly fee. Spending money sucks, but I think the game is worth playing anyway. There is a cash shop for COSMETIC items ONLY. Paying extra money for the items in the cash shop will not improve your functionality it will provide completely optional visual differences. In the event that it does go free to play, I expect they will do something to encourage people to spend money like every other game. I hope they stay with their promise to not include actual gear in the cash shop, but once its gone free to play the only people who can complain about that are the lifetime subscribers, who will be compensated in some way I'm sure whether through some sort of shop vouchers or discounts. I think the game will be a lot of fun, and even though I plan to get a lifetime sub I will be fine with a reasonable F2P model that brings in more players. 

  Zarriya

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6/19/12 2:45:52 PM#229

The sub is not keeping me away, it is actually a good point for me.  

The cash shop does have me leary, i still think i will be ordering, but it is making me hesitate.

 

 

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