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  Chrome1980

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6/10/12 1:47:13 AM#41
Originally posted by LytheRage
Originally posted by Chrome1980
Originally posted by DarkPony

I think their communication / marketing strategy and the game's corporate identity has been beyond top notch.

Their manifesto vid stood out for me. It's probably best sales pitch ever made in this industry. It's virtually impossible to not be moved by it.

Yep...sadly the game doesn't match their manifesto video.

How so?  I've watched the manifesto more than once and played the game and what they say IS there...and so much more.  Watch it again, write something down and then give me a REAL example of what does not match.

Of course, that's me expecting a level of effort you did not display in this post so I won't hold my breath.

Manifesto is less about the features in GW2 and more about their vision and how they are going to change the MMO scene for ever. If you were less emotional about the game and company i would have a sensibile discussion with you but i don't see that is possible.

  Atlan99

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6/10/12 1:47:41 AM#42
Originally posted by MMO_REVIEWER
 

This guy again... To your quote: I'm sorry..I didn't realize that developers couldn't say things early in the development stage and change it slightly as the dev process went on. Because that never happens with any other MMO's. Arenanet should be sued for malpractice and false advertising. /sarcasm = off. In a sense that quote is still true. You save a village and it stays saved....until its attacked again. What the quote means, really, is this.

In a traditional MMO you would walk up to a village, already on fire, get a quest to go kill 10 bandits in the midst of the chaos and come back for your reward. You, in theory, saved the village. Even though the village is sitll on fire and the people are still screaming for help, your quest is done and you are free to move on. Those poor villagers will just have to wait and hope that some other guy will come along to do the quest to alleviate their pain.

In guild wars 2 a farm comes under siege by bandits, you go to help, you effectively drive off the bandits, you look over your shoulder at the farm and all the farmers, they're cheering and thanking you endlessly. You look at the hay and its no longer on fire nor are there bandits respawing at random locations attacking the closest thing. You save a village, or farm, and it stays saved....until its attacked again, that is.

So no the quote isn't wrong. It's different now, yes, but not wrong.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/permanent

 

  n3v3rriv3r

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6/10/12 1:49:36 AM#43

money

  Chrome1980

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6/10/12 1:49:43 AM#44
Originally posted by itgrowls
Originally posted by Chrome1980
Originally posted by DarkPony

I think their communication / marketing strategy and the game's corporate identity has been beyond top notch.

Their manifesto vid stood out for me. It's probably best sales pitch ever made in this industry. It's virtually impossible to not be moved by it.

Yep...sadly the game doesn't match their manifesto video.

hmmm actually and more importantly factually it does match. i find it fascinating that people on these forums find the time to miss the improtant difference between fact and truth. What they put in their vid is exactly what's in their game. At this point concerning the features and gameplay of the game, there is absolutely nothing false about what they claimed vs what they are delivering in their betas.

 

Sadly, people would rather lie just because they don't like something or someone rather then be honest about it. Just like the nonsense of this whole thread, once again there's a thread claiming there's too much non-existant hype going on about a title that is being delivered as promised.

Darkpony and MMOexposed explained it quite well with their posts and i don't want to repeat what they have already said.

  bazak

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6/10/12 1:53:09 AM#45
Originally posted by Atlan99
Originally posted by LytheRage

Yep...sadly the game doesn't match their manifesto video.

How so?  I've watched the manifesto more than once and played the game and what they say IS there...and so much more.  Watch it again, write something down and then give me a REAL example of what does not match.

Of course, that's me expecting a level of effort you did not display in this post so I won't hold my breath.

"You effect things around you in a permanent way" "You're rescuing a village that will stay rescued."

On a side note Ree Soesbee is hot.

i think what they are trying to get accross saying that is that things are permanant in the game like things are permanent in the real world, aka untill something comes along and changes them.

again what i took away the first time i watched this was that it stays rescued unlike other mmo's where it will reset for other players for no reason just poof like the world rewinded, instead of staying rescued untill something happens to change that (basicly the point of the video is that things happen with a bit more logic than your usual mmo and things wont just magicaly reset *for the most part spawns appearing out of nowhere above your head in a tree filled area is a bit reminiscant of such mechanisms but its bout as good as anything i can think of that wouldnt be a tad too much effort to attempt to pull off in a mmo*).


EDIT: these are the way i took what they said in the video based on the context of what they were saying when i first viewed it when they first introduced it. b4 all the betas and video evidence, as of yet i have not been disappointed by anything they have said.

  Corehaven

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6/10/12 1:58:01 AM#46
Originally posted by Gurpslord
Originally posted by DanitaKusor
Originally posted by UOvet

Barely any chatter on the GW2 forums. They all must be playing, and I believe I know what thread you are talking about regarding being bored. Just because 1 or 2 threads pop up doesn't mean the "hype", which was created by the playerbase isn't real.

This is actually the first time I've check these forums in over a day because I've been busy playing GW2.

I assume those who claim to be bored aren't in the beta weekend.

Anyway back to it, have fun.

^this.  Actually I have been posting and reading forums tho too.  Not for lack of interest in the beta,  but because I'm applying every ounce of willpower I have not to get too deep into the areas I want to keep fresh for launch.  I hope they bring out the Asura soon, I have no interest in playing them at all so can do a LOT of beta testing with them.

 

Dont even come here right now.  Just enjoy your beta experience.  Since all the fans and pre purchasers are off playing the Beta the haters have taken it as a time to strike.  Ive been on the forums just long enough and often enough to take note of people.  And a lot of the people saying the game is lacking are the ones claiming so for weeks and months now with no evidence.

 

Now they are claiming they've played it.  Same people who said they werent interested and it was just going to be more of the same.  So I guess they pre purchased ( Ironic indeed) which I really dont think some of them did, and are taking this as an opportunity to say the game is......surprise surprise.......lacking.  Or boring.  Or grindy. 

 

Or all the same crap they've been spewing for months or weeks.  They just took it as an oppurtunity to do it in full force this time.  One started it up with a thread.  " Oh look!  SEE!  SEE!  Its lacking!  It doesnt live up to the hype! " then another jumps on the band wagon and starts another thread and its just been all day.  I have serious doubts half these people have even played the thing, but instead are just claiming too.  I know some concerns are valid, but this is just wild. 

 

Meanwhile they are free to bash it because most fans like yourself are playing the game and having a blast.  So enjoy it now guys.  Fans enjoy the game, people who dislike GW2 enjoy the forums.  Because both end on Monday.  All those GW2 players will come flooding back into the forums and you people wont enjoy the free hater aid you're sipping on in ease right now. 

  MMOExposed

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6/10/12 2:00:11 AM#47
Originally posted by Mothanos

Each mmo that comes out will be revieuwed by haters and fanboys on forums.

Some hate

Some hype

Some love

Its a trend with each new mmo.

 

Tough i must admit, i can get hyped to, but after Warhammer / Aion / SWTOR i be very very cautious about buying my next one.

And GW2 is just good, ALOT better then all the previous mmo's that came out.

 

So a new hype a new mmo and new hate posts cycles on forums :P

 

Well now you see why I stay skeptical and on the critical side of any MMO, as you explained. Been burnt, and don't plan to be burnt again. So I avoid the fire. Use my shades to see pass the glossy hype that each new MMO get.

Remember, these companies have people that went to college to study in this major psychological field which we call "Marketing".

Trust me, these developers know how to mislead the masses without crossing the legal borders. Very interesting to observe actually. Try it some time. I made a self playing game out of it. Try it yourself. The next time a new MMO comes out, look at the ways the title is marketed. Note down each of the main things that come to mind durning the marketing. Keep watch of the public forums like this. Write down the names of those on the forum that seem suspiciously in favor of the Developer's interest, and follow their post and words.

Keep eye on fanforums as well. After the WarhammerAlliance conspiracy, I realized that developers do discuss the silencing of critics behind the scenes on those public fanforums. They want to silence all critisim.

Kinda fun to look into this kind of stuff in the media as well and other parts of your regular life. Guess I am a conspiracy theorist. Lmao

  vee41

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6/10/12 2:01:24 AM#48
I guess all the full servers is the best argument you can say against any haters. It might not be the game for you, but it seems to be the game for helluva lots of people.
  User Deleted
6/10/12 2:02:01 AM#49

So I log in this morning (Europe), and I see a guy with a huge Tera signature posting this.

I can't say I was surprised...

Wait for monday to get the impressions of those who are in BW2... for now, most if not all are way too busy to play to come post on these forums.

  Chrome1980

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6/10/12 2:02:01 AM#50
Originally posted by Corehaven
Originally posted by Gurpslord
Originally posted by DanitaKusor
Originally posted by UOvet

Barely any chatter on the GW2 forums. They all must be playing, and I believe I know what thread you are talking about regarding being bored. Just because 1 or 2 threads pop up doesn't mean the "hype", which was created by the playerbase isn't real.

This is actually the first time I've check these forums in over a day because I've been busy playing GW2.

I assume those who claim to be bored aren't in the beta weekend.

Anyway back to it, have fun.

^this.  Actually I have been posting and reading forums tho too.  Not for lack of interest in the beta,  but because I'm applying every ounce of willpower I have not to get too deep into the areas I want to keep fresh for launch.  I hope they bring out the Asura soon, I have no interest in playing them at all so can do a LOT of beta testing with them.

 

Dont even come here right now.  Just enjoy your beta experience.  Since all the fans and pre purchasers are off playing the Beta the haters have taken it as a time to strike.  Ive been on the forums just long enough and often enough to take note of people.  And a lot of the people saying the game is lacking are the ones claiming so for weeks and months now with no evidence.

 

Now they are claiming they've played it.  Same people who said they werent interested and it was just going to be more of the same.  So I guess they pre purchased ( Ironic indeed) which I really dont think some of them did, and are taking this as an opportunity to say the game is......surprise surprise.......lacking.  Or boring.  Or grindy. 

 

Or all the same crap they've been spewing for months or weeks.  They just took it as an oppurtunity to do it in full force this time.  One started it up with a thread.  " Oh look!  SEE!  SEE!  Its lacking!  It doesnt live up to the hype! " then another jumps on the band wagon and starts another thread and its just been all day.  I have serious doubts half these people have even played the thing, but instead are just claiming too.  I know some concerns are valid, but this is just wild. 

 

Meanwhile they are free to bash it because most fans like yourself are playing the game and having a blast.  So enjoy it now guys.  Fans enjoy the game, people who dislike GW2 enjoy the forums.  Because both end on Monday.  All those GW2 players will come flooding back into the forums and you people wont enjoy the free hater aid you're sipping on in ease right now. 

I had a deja vu  after reading this post....not so long ago you and your fellow 'haters' ' (as you eloquently stated) were doing the same on SWTOR, RIFT, Tera forums. Finally the other shoe has dropped. lol

Got to love how fast the role changes on these forums. ;)

  DarkPony

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6/10/12 2:04:47 AM#51
Originally posted by Corehaven
Originally posted by Gurpslord
Originally posted by DanitaKusor
Originally posted by UOvet

Barely any chatter on the GW2 forums. They all must be playing, and I believe I know what thread you are talking about regarding being bored. Just because 1 or 2 threads pop up doesn't mean the "hype", which was created by the playerbase isn't real.

This is actually the first time I've check these forums in over a day because I've been busy playing GW2.

I assume those who claim to be bored aren't in the beta weekend.

Anyway back to it, have fun.

^this.  Actually I have been posting and reading forums tho too.  Not for lack of interest in the beta,  but because I'm applying every ounce of willpower I have not to get too deep into the areas I want to keep fresh for launch.  I hope they bring out the Asura soon, I have no interest in playing them at all so can do a LOT of beta testing with them.

 

Dont even come here right now.  Just enjoy your beta experience.  Since all the fans and pre purchasers are off playing the Beta the haters have taken it as a time to strike.  Ive been on the forums just long enough and often enough to take note of people.  And a lot of the people saying the game is lacking are the ones claiming so for weeks and months now with no evidence.

 

Now they are claiming they've played it.  Same people who said they werent interested and it was just going to be more of the same.  So I guess they pre purchased ( Ironic indeed) which I really dont think some of them did, and are taking this as an opportunity to say the game is......surprise surprise.......lacking.  Or boring.  Or grindy. 

 

Or all the same crap they've been spewing for months or weeks.  They just took it as an oppurtunity to do it in full force this time.  One started it up with a thread.  " Oh look!  SEE!  SEE!  Its lacking!  It doesnt live up to the hype! " then another jumps on the band wagon and starts another thread and its just been all day.  I have serious doubts half these people have even played the thing, but instead are just claiming too.  I know some concerns are valid, but this is just wild. 

 

Meanwhile they are free to bash it because most fans like yourself are playing the game and having a blast.  So enjoy it now guys.  Fans enjoy the game, people who dislike GW2 enjoy the forums.  Because both end on Monday.  All those GW2 players will come flooding back into the forums and you people wont enjoy the free hater aid you're sipping on in ease right now. 

Keep telling yourself all that. I've been in both beta weekends personally, and haven't preordered or prepurchased.

Anyway, here's a screenshot of me at the Moa mount vendor. Wait ... what?!

  Corehaven

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6/10/12 2:12:42 AM#52
Originally posted by Chrome1980

I had a deja vu  after reading this post....not so long ago you and your fellow 'haters' ' (as you eloquently stated) were doing the same on SWTOR, RIFT, Tera forums. Finally the other shoe has dropped. lol

Got to love how fast the role changes on these forums. ;)

 

Swtor Ive said things about.  Called it mediocre.  Wasnt the only one. 

 

However Ive never said a thing (as far as I can remember) about Rift. 

 

As for Tera, I've only said it was beautiful graphically.  Perhaps the most beautiful mmo I've ever seen.  But I dont like sub fees (anymore) so its just not my deal. 

 

I dont expect everyone to love GW2.  I do expect some people to find it to be not their cup of tea.  I would even suspect some will hate it for whatever reason.  But today has just been nuts.  Its odd and weird.  Its just been GW2 attacks all day with a few actual players popping in and saying, " I dont know what you people are talking about.  Its awesome! " and then ducking back out to go play some more. 

 

GW2 is not and will not be the end all be all.  But at the very least and I do mean the very least its going to be a competent game.  More so, its probably going to be a "good" game.  And good is good enough for me.  I might even find it amazing. 

 

But all these posts today are getting on my nerves.  Where were you people who now seem to dislike GW2 last Beta weekend?  Whats up with this?  Last time it was just complaints about FPS and lag.  Which most said that was okay because it was beta.  While at the same time even those complaining about those issues still said the game seemed amazing.    Now its "Dynamic Events suck"  "PVP suddenly sucks"  etc etc.  Where were these complaints last beta weekend?  Or the stress tests they've had?  It was non existent until now.  Suddenly now that the game is running smooth as butter its time to throw a fuss?  Of all times?  Yea Im not buying it. 

 

If you are not playing GW2 dont complain.  Dont pretend you are playing GW2, especially if you have gripped about it in the past having not even played it because you darn well didnt pre order if you hated it so much.  This just doesnt add up.  Now some of these people I know for a fact did, and have valid concerns.  They are easy to see and pick out and I respect those guys. 

 

But Im getting a heavy sense there are literally a good few dozen people commenting on the forums today that say they are playing and are absolutely not.  Im not playing.  I havent pre purchased yet.  I have had NO ONE ELSE admit that today.  Apparently ALL OF YOU are playing it.  And half of you seem to hate it.  And you hated it before now.  And you bought it anyways.  Yea......not buying it.  Thanks anyways. 

  MMO_REVIEWER

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MMO's are the ark of the gaming world. let it take us in new directions

6/10/12 2:13:39 AM#53
Originally posted by Atlan99
Originally posted by MMO_REVIEWER
 

This guy again... To your quote: I'm sorry..I didn't realize that developers couldn't say things early in the development stage and change it slightly as the dev process went on. Because that never happens with any other MMO's. Arenanet should be sued for malpractice and false advertising. /sarcasm = off. In a sense that quote is still true. You save a village and it stays saved....until its attacked again. What the quote means, really, is this.

In a traditional MMO you would walk up to a village, already on fire, get a quest to go kill 10 bandits in the midst of the chaos and come back for your reward. You, in theory, saved the village. Even though the village is sitll on fire and the people are still screaming for help, your quest is done and you are free to move on. Those poor villagers will just have to wait and hope that some other guy will come along to do the quest to alleviate their pain.

In guild wars 2 a farm comes under siege by bandits, you go to help, you effectively drive off the bandits, you look over your shoulder at the farm and all the farmers, they're cheering and thanking you endlessly. You look at the hay and its no longer on fire nor are there bandits respawing at random locations attacking the closest thing. You save a village, or farm, and it stays saved....until its attacked again, that is.

So no the quote isn't wrong. It's different now, yes, but not wrong.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/permanent

 

Cool, a dictionary. How about a verbal rebut?

MMO's are the ark of the gaming world. Let it take us in new directions.

  StrixMaxima

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6/10/12 2:14:24 AM#54

When people will stop treating games like ideological schools that need to be defended or brought down, and more like what they are: games. Games that touch different people on different places.

Games need to be sold. Like soda or jeans. Yet I see no one complaining about that "Denim hype" or that "Ford Hype". And hype they do. They also pay magazines for good reviews, they also hyperbolyze stuff.

It is ludicrous to call what little marketing Anet has done so far the same MMO lietrain that we know all about. We can all remeber those games. Compare. Go ahead.

GW2 relies on no grinding at all (unless you like to keep bashing wolves in the middle of the forest for no good reason). Every little thing you do contribute to your progress. XP comes fast and furious, and I have to slow myself down a bit to enjoy the scenery and the details. Lineage 2 is a grindy game. WoW is a grindy game (gear treadmill).

I certainly don't feel that people MUST like it. Of course not. I have friends who didn't, each for a different reason. Others loved it, also for different reasons. As it should be. What irks me is smugness and lies.

  Corehaven

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6/10/12 2:15:24 AM#55
Originally posted by DarkPony

Keep telling yourself all that. I've been in both beta weekends personally, and haven't preordered or prepurchased.

Anyway, here's a screenshot of me at the Moa mount vendor. Wait ... what?!

 

No no.  You are one of the ones with valid concerns I know who is playing it.  I listen to you.  Like I said I can kind of tell or half tell with most.  I have no doubt you are in.  I also have no doubt you try just about everything anyways.  So thats a given.  There are also many more like you. 

 

What Im saying is I dont buy ALL the comments from certain people here.  But you?  No you say what you want.  I'll read it.  I have no doubt you are playing GW2.  Im familiar with your posts.  Im also familiar with others.  Its SOME of the others I some what doubt.  Nor will I call anyone out.  Learned my lesson on that one. 

  Fadedbomb

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6/10/12 2:19:58 AM#56
Originally posted by dreamscaper
Originally posted by Zook81

Its just the next "big thing" I guess. I was in the first beta and its pretty decent, but I don't really agree with the whole "the holy trinity is devil" mentality. I also don't think its as revoluntionary as it says it is (or maybe the fans are putting words into their mouths.) I think they're finally making a great MMO for people who like to solo, but that just doesn't interest me.

 

Mostly this. The MMORPG hype bandwagon is cyclical. A new game is announced, people treat it as the second coming, it gets released, and hordes of people are horribly disappointed because it doesn't live up to the absurd amount of hype generated around it.

 

We've seen this with Warhammer, Aion, FFXIV, SWTOR, etc, etc. I will be massively, massively surprised if GW2 doesn't follow the same cycle.

My problem with this is that with AION, SWTOR, RIFT, TSW, and even GW2 I've tried to give fair shakes to the products & post reviews/previews of the product for what it IS and IS NOT. Yet, every time I'm rabidly attacked for the few months prior to, and after, release.

 

However, on almost every single one of those reviews/previews I did I've gotten appologies or "you were right"-s from people in PMs, emails, posts, etc.

 

So what do I take from this :|? Do I continue to "attempt" healthy criticism of a product, or simply stop posting. It's seriously getting under my skin :'(.

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  MMOExposed

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6/10/12 2:27:55 AM#57
Originally posted by StrixMaxima

When people will stop treating games like ideological schools that need to be defended or brought down, and more like what they are: games. Games that touch different people on different places.

Games need to be sold. Like soda or jeans. Yet I see no one complaining about that "Denim hype" or that "Ford Hype". And hype they do. They also pay magazines for good reviews, they also hyperbolyze stuff.

It is ludicrous to call what little marketing Anet has done so far the same MMO lietrain that we know all about. We can all remeber those games. Compare. Go ahead.

GW2 relies on no grinding at all (unless you like to keep bashing wolves in the middle of the forest for no good reason). Every little thing you do contribute to your progress. XP comes fast and furious, and I have to slow myself down a bit to enjoy the scenery and the details. Lineage 2 is a grindy game. WoW is a grindy game (gear treadmill).

I certainly don't feel that people MUST like it. Of course not. I have friends who didn't, each for a different reason. Others loved it, also for different reasons. As it should be. What irks me is smugness and lies.

 

Well see, I have come to a point where I notice that the people with the big $$$ can control the minds of the masses. We can call this Brainwashing, Marketing, whatever.

Many people, especially avg consumers don't fully understand how deeply this "Marketing/Political" field of study goes. We underestimate how well these people can control what we like/see/think. These people study this kind of stuff for ages.

MMO developers are no different here. Throughout the years, these developers have made countless marketing scams to sell their product without crossing the legal border.

Look at a game like Dust514 from CCP, the developers of EvE. They are willingly and knowingly marketing their game as a MMOFPS which it isn't. But if a consumer were to take their word for it, then what? The meaning of a MMOFPS is vague and easily bended to fit your marketing needs.

Same thing has been done with many CORPG like DDO, and yours truly, Guild Wars 1. You and anybody else can say all they want, that Anet didn't advertise their game as a MMO, but that's a lie. Of course they did. GW1 marketing off it being F2P aka no sub with a online connection requirement, fooled media and masses into believing its a true blue MMO. Great marketing there. Others followed along. Add the word "Online" to the title and make it a Internet requirement t play, and now the masses assume its a MMO, which bring in more box sells.

Looking at your post here, I can see you seem to choose not to see the reality beyond the marketing, or you as many are in the consumer market, have falling into the purpose of marketing and hype. Your judgment is clouded from your emotional pleasures of marketing hype. But that's just my point of view of course, which your rightfully can disagree with me.

  Gurpslord

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6/10/12 2:29:08 AM#58
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by dreamscaper
Originally posted by Zook81

Its just the next "big thing" I guess. I was in the first beta and its pretty decent, but I don't really agree with the whole "the holy trinity is devil" mentality. I also don't think its as revoluntionary as it says it is (or maybe the fans are putting words into their mouths.) I think they're finally making a great MMO for people who like to solo, but that just doesn't interest me.

 

Mostly this. The MMORPG hype bandwagon is cyclical. A new game is announced, people treat it as the second coming, it gets released, and hordes of people are horribly disappointed because it doesn't live up to the absurd amount of hype generated around it.

 

We've seen this with Warhammer, Aion, FFXIV, SWTOR, etc, etc. I will be massively, massively surprised if GW2 doesn't follow the same cycle.

My problem with this is that with AION, SWTOR, RIFT, TSW, and even GW2 I've tried to give fair shakes to the products & post reviews/previews of the product for what it IS and IS NOT. Yet, every time I'm rabidly attacked for the few months prior to, and after, release.

 

However, on almost every single one of those reviews/previews I did I've gotten appologies or "you were right"-s from people in PMs, emails, posts, etc.

 

So what do I take from this :|? Do I continue to "attempt" healthy criticism of a product, or simply stop posting. It's seriously getting under my skin :'(.

I suggest a combination of both, actually.  Rather, Stop posting reviews, those things above all others tend to bring out both the rabid haters and the rabid fanboys.  Reviewing a game, from a neutral standpoint or otherwise, on these forums is like setting up a battlefield that will most assuredly get  bloody.

I haven't always agreed with your posts, nor do I feel that I need to.  You do tend to come off relatively level-headed about things which is a nice breath of fresh air around here.  So for that, I say post to your hearts content, but try to avoid reviews if the negativity is getting to you.

  Chrome1980

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6/10/12 2:29:16 AM#59
Originally posted by Corehaven
Originally posted by Chrome1980

I had a deja vu  after reading this post....not so long ago you and your fellow 'haters' ' (as you eloquently stated) were doing the same on SWTOR, RIFT, Tera forums. Finally the other shoe has dropped. lol

Got to love how fast the role changes on these forums. ;)

 

Swtor Ive said things about.  Called it mediocre.  Wasnt the only one. 

And a lot of people are going to dislike GW2 too..shouldn't be a surprise. 

 

However Ive never said a thing (as far as I can remember) about Rift.

Since we are lumping everyone who dislikes GW2 into one category of 'haters' i also made a generalising statement like yours.

 

As for Tera, I've only said it was beautiful graphically.  Perhaps the most beautiful mmo I've ever seen.  But I dont like sub fees (anymore) so its just not my deal. 

So i guess it is fair to label you as a 'hater' too because you dislikes somethign about the game? *rolls eyes*

 

I dont expect everyone to love GW2.  I do expect some people to find it to be not their cup of tea.  I would even suspect some will hate it for whatever reason.  But today has just been nuts.  Its odd and weird.  Its just been GW2 attacks all day with a few actual players popping in and saying, " I dont know what you people are talking about.  Its awesome! " and then ducking back out to go play some more.

I am glad you realised that not everyone is going to like GW2 which stands true for just any MMO in market. Sadly people whip out this wisdom only when it is convenient and most certainly when defending the game they are enjoying or love.

 

GW2 is not and will not be the end all be all.  But at the very least and I do mean the very least its going to be a competent game.  More so, its probably going to be a "good" game.  And good is good enough for me.  I might even find it amazing. 

Good is subjective and if you understand that you shouldn't be getting upset if others dislike GW2.

 

But all these posts today are getting on my nerves.  Where were you people who now seem to dislike GW2 last Beta weekend?  Whats up with this?  Last time it was just complaints about FPS and lag.  Which most said that was okay because it was beta.  While at the same time even those complaining about those issues still said the game seemed amazing.    Now its "Dynamic Events suck"  "PVP suddenly sucks"  etc etc.  Where were these complaints last beta weekend?  Or the stress tests they've had?  It was non existent until now.  Suddenly now that the game is running smooth as butter its time to throw a fuss?  Of all times?  Yea Im not buying it. 

Maybe because it takes time for the feeling to sink in when you play a new MMO? i don't know why you are so surprised that people find DE's to be repetitive in nature and heart events just another version of 'questing on rail'. No i wouldn't say this reactions are all of a sudden. More the people will get to experince the game more they will start to look at things objectively. but still that doesn't mean that game is BAD just not overly amazing as they though it to be. 

If you are not playing GW2 dont complain.  Dont pretend you are playing GW2, especially if you have gripped about it in the past having not even played it because you darn well didnt pre order if you hated it so much.  This just doesnt add up.  Now some of these people I know for a fact did, and have valid concerns.  They are easy to see and pick out and I respect those guys. 

Hard to say now who is pretending here isn't it? i wouldn't make those assumptions and i don't think anyone is under any obligation to prove anything to anyone. 

But Im getting a heavy sense there are literally a good few dozen people commenting on the forums today that say they are playing and are absolutely not.  Im not playing.  I havent pre purchased yet.  I have had NO ONE ELSE admit that today.  Apparently ALL OF YOU are playing it.  And half of you seem to hate it.  And you hated it before now.  And you bought it anyways.  Yea......not buying it.  Thanks anyways.

Once again you seem to be under the illuision that if you enjoy MMO at first go in beta weekend you are automatically suppossed to enjoy it during every event and if you hate it first you are bound to hate it during every future event.

Players are getting chance to play game in chunks, if you want a proper breakdown maybe ignore forums till release? because you are certainly very emotional about the game.

 

  bazak

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6/10/12 2:29:27 AM#60
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by dreamscaper
Originally posted by Zook81

Its just the next "big thing" I guess. I was in the first beta and its pretty decent, but I don't really agree with the whole "the holy trinity is devil" mentality. I also don't think its as revoluntionary as it says it is (or maybe the fans are putting words into their mouths.) I think they're finally making a great MMO for people who like to solo, but that just doesn't interest me.

 

Mostly this. The MMORPG hype bandwagon is cyclical. A new game is announced, people treat it as the second coming, it gets released, and hordes of people are horribly disappointed because it doesn't live up to the absurd amount of hype generated around it.

 

We've seen this with Warhammer, Aion, FFXIV, SWTOR, etc, etc. I will be massively, massively surprised if GW2 doesn't follow the same cycle.

My problem with this is that with AION, SWTOR, RIFT, TSW, and even GW2 I've tried to give fair shakes to the products & post reviews/previews of the product for what it IS and IS NOT. Yet, every time I'm rabidly attacked for the few months prior to, and after, release.

 

However, on almost every single one of those reviews/previews I did I've gotten appologies or "you were right"-s from people in PMs, emails, posts, etc.

 

So what do I take from this :|? Do I continue to "attempt" healthy criticism of a product, or simply stop posting. It's seriously getting under my skin :'(.


id say post your critique and leave (when you feel like you cant handle it or just dont post at those times) or post it and ignore the morons and only reply to serious posts, at least here there tend to be more than enough people to deal with the morons anyways, its why im a lurker and dont post that often its just not worth it to me to get into a fight and get stressed out and shorten my life.

 

honestly tho with these forums just lurking still stresses me out, considering some of the blatant liers that have been around, *i think any of us who have been here for any decent amount of time remember Robert Dinh and that whole period of strawmen and such*. the human race as a whole just sorta makes me want to crawl into a corner and cry for a little bit, so i just try not to think about such things and only deal with what directly affects me.

 

EDIT: id also like to see a reply to my last post in this thread a page or so back, cuz i made a valid argument there and noone has replied or noticed it.

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