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  Trol1

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Joined: 5/23/12
Posts: 184

6/08/12 3:55:02 AM#21
Originally posted by deathshroud

i would say that next gen mmo combat is twitch based aim based, this is not next gen its tried and tested with a few minor alterations and that pretty much sums up this mmo, tried and tested. In reality we have already tried and tested this mmo our selves with the countless mmos we have already played. Isnt the whole point of a TESO mmo to be like TES? if it misses that vital part of the puzzle then wtf are we waiting for here?

 

i have no real dobut that TESO will appeal greatly to those who love WOW like mmorpgs and who know or care very little for TES. but for anyone with any love for MMORPGS, thier future and the TES world created by Todd Howard and his team then i urge you to boycott this abomination. If we dont make a stand against this insantiy of SWTOR TOS RIFT etc then how do you ever epxect to see a change in the genre???

 

next we will all be seeing a TES fighting game like street fighter, Or a TES racing game and you will all eat that shit up like good little drones.

This just shows how close-minded some people are, and, to be honest, how little one should show them respect...

but hey. one's never too old to fight the good fight and bash some enlightenment into somebody's skull so here goes:

Have you played Fallout New Vegas? Have you also played Fallout 1 or 2? What about Fallout Tactics?

3 (well, actually four but I'm taking F1 and F2 together) different games with quite different playstyles... and yet, they are all set in the same Fallout universe!

Of course, some fans may like some game better than the other (me, I favor Fallout Tactics), some fans may not even have played or heard of some of the games...

And yet, what all fans will say is that in each game there is a groovy, fun universe...

Now, I mean I do understand (and sort of respect) your concern for MMOs made out of IPs that should better stay singleplayer games, or maybe co-op, but definitely not MMOs - if somebody were to tell me today that they are doing another Evil Dead game, and this one would be a MMO, I would probably throw a toddler's tantrum like you crying "no you can't you can't you cunt!" because the Evil Dead universe is really just Bruce vs Deadites! - but at the same time look  at LOTRO:  yes, it may now only be a huge F2P game, not a subscription superstar, but when i first heard about it I was very much like "so you are going to do make an MMO out of what essentially is just the trip of two Hobbits to a vulcano (with some limited support staff)? You know that everybody will be playing Frodo or Gandalf?" And yet - not having played it myself - there is apparently quite a number of gamers playing and enjoying the LOTRO world...

So, frankly I'll call your "TES must stay singleplayer" attitude a huge pile of BS and would ask you to go the next loo as soon as possible to get rid of it! At this point you (like everybody else in the public) knows very little about how much of the TES universe, the TES setting will actually be in TESO. And yet, here is your big call to boycott the game...

You know, you remind me rather much of all those SWTOR haters who say SWTOR wasn't enough SW while at the same time they loved KOTOR 1 & 2...

Anyhow, just one more thing before you should rush to the toilet: your "it's all been done before, boycott this game if you  care about the future of MMOs" cry...

man, grow up!

Yes, you may say that the late 90s and the first 2 or 3 years of 2000 saw a good chunk of innovation for MMORPGs (going from MUD to 2D to 3D, PvE to PvP to RvR, etc) but  in the last 8 years or so there has really been only one major innovation and that was sadly WoW talking MMORPGs to the casual gamers. Everything else we have seen is either so extreme niche that it only appeals to a very small section of the market or it is really - in the end - rather gimmicky...

So, frankly, if you want to see change, fire up your notepad, start brainstorming ideas and once you have a working model, head over to Kickstarter to get some money! Because otherwise what you'll see is just as with the invention of the wheel: it'll get refined, improved, adjusted but it won't take that leap to become anti-grav pads. Which quite frankly, I'm rather glad of because seeing drivers every day, I'm happy to see them bump into each other and leave some junk on the street rather than those same drivers in their flying cars causing daily meteorid showers to fall on everybody on the ground. ;-)

So, now off to the loo, if you could, please? Thank you.

  SEANMCAD

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Joined: 3/22/09
Posts: 4877

6/08/12 7:54:21 AM#22

1. The OP hasnt adressed any of the major gripes people have on this game

2. I thought E3 now only lets in people who connected to the gaming PR industry.

 

 

Does you MMO have rainbow sprinkles?

  RoyalPhunk

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Joined: 1/11/11
Posts: 181

6/08/12 11:42:45 AM#23
Originally posted by deathshroud
Originally posted by Mike-McQueen

I would boycott this if it would stop it but the fact is, like it or not, it's coming. I was hoping for a lot more but over the last couple weeks I find myself coping more and more with it. I don't hate it now and who knows may even come to love it. Time will tell.

 so when the game releases and 4 million people sub to the game zenimax can pat themselves on the back and say we did it, we made exactly what the fans want. Look we have 4 million of them playing our mmo to prove it, now lets think of a sequel we will make it exactly the same but borrow a few more features from our rival mmos and give it fancy graphics and be giving them exactly what they want. All because such a large proportion of the gaming community boohoed and moaned but baught it anyway, because they need their mmo themepark fix.

Pretty much this... but with way less people I don't think this one will get within throwing distance of 1M people.

But the general idea is about right I think.

There was a thread about how insane developers are making the same game over and over and expecting different results, but I think we are the insane ones buying these games over and over and actually expecting something different from them. How many games will it take before we get off the train and stop drinking the koolaid?

 

It's too bad that companies are able to do this again and again, we have games not lasting more than 6 months on average and most people don't give a carp because they are game tourists anyways just waiting to latch onto the next shiny sure to copy the last with an extra feature or two which they shout as being innovative from the mountain tops. It forces companies to ramp up the PR ramp up the promises and exaggerate features because they now "HAVE" to have a good launch before their customers go to the next thing. Which increases buzz which increases hype, I am guilty of getting sucked up in it to. I am not a hater of this game I have just been through this too many times to expect anything different to happen here.

  Lagoz

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Joined: 5/14/12
Posts: 92

6/08/12 11:44:28 AM#24

People were really quick to axe this game when it was announced.

I personally think that this the suprise hit no-one is expecting. :J

  NaughtyP

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Joined: 12/02/11
Posts: 795

6/08/12 11:56:44 AM#25

How can you call anything next-gen without seeing it in action? Anyone can write great things on paper, few can actually deliver on the promises. This is the reality of the video game industry. This is just a hype thread in disguise.

Enter a whole new realm of challenge and adventure.

  AdamTM

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Joined: 5/05/05
Posts: 1395

I'M PUNCHING YOUR SALAD!!!!

6/08/12 12:13:17 PM#26
Originally posted by Trol1
Originally posted by deathshroud

i would say that next gen mmo combat is twitch based aim based, this is not next gen its tried and tested with a few minor alterations and that pretty much sums up this mmo, tried and tested. In reality we have already tried and tested this mmo our selves with the countless mmos we have already played. Isnt the whole point of a TESO mmo to be like TES? if it misses that vital part of the puzzle then wtf are we waiting for here?

 

i have no real dobut that TESO will appeal greatly to those who love WOW like mmorpgs and who know or care very little for TES. but for anyone with any love for MMORPGS, thier future and the TES world created by Todd Howard and his team then i urge you to boycott this abomination. If we dont make a stand against this insantiy of SWTOR TOS RIFT etc then how do you ever epxect to see a change in the genre???

 

next we will all be seeing a TES fighting game like street fighter, Or a TES racing game and you will all eat that shit up like good little drones.

This just shows how close-minded some people are, and, to be honest, how little one should show them respect...

but hey. one's never too old to fight the good fight and bash some enlightenment into somebody's skull so here goes:

Have you played Fallout New Vegas? Have you also played Fallout 1 or 2? What about Fallout Tactics?

3 (well, actually four but I'm taking F1 and F2 together) different games with quite different playstyles... and yet, they are all set in the same Fallout universe!

Of course, some fans may like some game better than the other (me, I favor Fallout Tactics), some fans may not even have played or heard of some of the games...

And yet, what all fans will say is that in each game there is a groovy, fun universe...

Now, I mean I do understand (and sort of respect) your concern for MMOs made out of IPs that should better stay singleplayer games, or maybe co-op, but definitely not MMOs - if somebody were to tell me today that they are doing another Evil Dead game, and this one would be a MMO, I would probably throw a toddler's tantrum like you crying "no you can't you can't you cunt!" because the Evil Dead universe is really just Bruce vs Deadites! - but at the same time look  at LOTRO:  yes, it may now only be a huge F2P game, not a subscription superstar, but when i first heard about it I was very much like "so you are going to do make an MMO out of what essentially is just the trip of two Hobbits to a vulcano (with some limited support staff)? You know that everybody will be playing Frodo or Gandalf?" And yet - not having played it myself - there is apparently quite a number of gamers playing and enjoying the LOTRO world...

So, frankly I'll call your "TES must stay singleplayer" attitude a huge pile of BS and would ask you to go the next loo as soon as possible to get rid of it! At this point you (like everybody else in the public) knows very little about how much of the TES universe, the TES setting will actually be in TESO. And yet, here is your big call to boycott the game...

You know, you remind me rather much of all those SWTOR haters who say SWTOR wasn't enough SW while at the same time they loved KOTOR 1 & 2...

Anyhow, just one more thing before you should rush to the toilet: your "it's all been done before, boycott this game if you  care about the future of MMOs" cry...

man, grow up!

Yes, you may say that the late 90s and the first 2 or 3 years of 2000 saw a good chunk of innovation for MMORPGs (going from MUD to 2D to 3D, PvE to PvP to RvR, etc) but  in the last 8 years or so there has really been only one major innovation and that was sadly WoW talking MMORPGs to the casual gamers. Everything else we have seen is either so extreme niche that it only appeals to a very small section of the market or it is really - in the end - rather gimmicky...

So, frankly, if you want to see change, fire up your notepad, start brainstorming ideas and once you have a working model, head over to Kickstarter to get some money! Because otherwise what you'll see is just as with the invention of the wheel: it'll get refined, improved, adjusted but it won't take that leap to become anti-grav pads. Which quite frankly, I'm rather glad of because seeing drivers every day, I'm happy to see them bump into each other and leave some junk on the street rather than those same drivers in their flying cars causing daily meteorid showers to fall on everybody on the ground. ;-)

So, now off to the loo, if you could, please? Thank you.

Continuing on your Fallout example.

Did you ever play Brotherhood Of Steel?

 

TESO is to TES what BoS is to Fallout 1

  Lucioon

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Joined: 1/12/06
Posts: 840

6/08/12 12:26:04 PM#27
Originally posted by Trol1
Originally posted by deathshroud

i would say that next gen mmo combat is twitch based aim based, this is not next gen its tried and tested with a few minor alterations and that pretty much sums up this mmo, tried and tested. In reality we have already tried and tested this mmo our selves with the countless mmos we have already played. Isnt the whole point of a TESO mmo to be like TES? if it misses that vital part of the puzzle then wtf are we waiting for here?

 

i have no real dobut that TESO will appeal greatly to those who love WOW like mmorpgs and who know or care very little for TES. but for anyone with any love for MMORPGS, thier future and the TES world created by Todd Howard and his team then i urge you to boycott this abomination. If we dont make a stand against this insantiy of SWTOR TOS RIFT etc then how do you ever epxect to see a change in the genre???

 

next we will all be seeing a TES fighting game like street fighter, Or a TES racing game and you will all eat that shit up like good little drones.

This just shows how close-minded some people are, and, to be honest, how little one should show them respect...

but hey. one's never too old to fight the good fight and bash some enlightenment into somebody's skull so here goes:

Have you played Fallout New Vegas? Have you also played Fallout 1 or 2? What about Fallout Tactics?

3 (well, actually four but I'm taking F1 and F2 together) different games with quite different playstyles... and yet, they are all set in the same Fallout universe!

Of course, some fans may like some game better than the other (me, I favor Fallout Tactics), some fans may not even have played or heard of some of the games...

And yet, what all fans will say is that in each game there is a groovy, fun universe...

......................................................................

man, grow up!

Yes, you may say that the late 90s and the first 2 or 3 years of 2000 saw a good chunk of innovation for MMORPGs (going from MUD to 2D to 3D, PvE to PvP to RvR, etc) but  in the last 8 years or so there has really been only one major innovation and that was sadly WoW talking MMORPGs to the casual gamers. Everything else we have seen is either so extreme niche that it only appeals to a very small section of the market or it is really - in the end - rather gimmicky...

So, frankly, if you want to see change, fire up your notepad, start brainstorming ideas and once you have a working model, head over to Kickstarter to get some money! Because otherwise what you'll see is just as with the invention of the wheel: it'll get refined, improved, adjusted but it won't take that leap to become anti-grav pads. Which quite frankly, I'm rather glad of because seeing drivers every day, I'm happy to see them bump into each other and leave some junk on the street rather than those same drivers in their flying cars causing daily meteorid showers to fall on everybody on the ground. ;-)

So, now off to the loo, if you could, please? Thank you.

I totally understand your stand on this issue, but if you look at Skyrim and Morrowind, they are Single Player games, with Sandbox feels that plays similarily to MMO's. So when you have a game that is already on the track to become an MMO, but everything about the game that you know about is stripped away, and is replaced by everything that has been used and reused in multiple MMO's.

I like what they have described for their combat, it sounds exciting and different. But when you put Trinity into the mix, the whole you have to think and strategize is threw out the window. The only thing you have to think is make sure you have a Pure Healer and never invite any Tank with Healing Staffs.

Its like they took a list of things that made Elder Scrolls popular and then goes down the list, labeling which would be too hard to implement and which would be too time consuming and threw them out the window.

What you said would have made sense before GW2, TERA , TSW came to the market. They have proven that Trinity can be eliminated, even levels can be taken out , combat can be more reactive, and quests can be hubless, and faction combat can be done. Even Rift is doing a 3 faction PVP.

Ideas that was once thought impossible and many had said what you said, take a notepad, brainstorming ideas and go develop your own game if thats what you want. Apparently, Anet and Trion did just that, they took the ideas and developed their own games.

Housing will be in Rift , Housing was in EQ, even FFXI have housing with furnishings. Public Dungeons , FFXI have them long before TESO, I believe EQ have them as well.

Public Mobs, Rift have them, GW2 have them, FFXI call them Named Mobs...etc

Hype trains has derailed ever since SWTOR came out, Hype is being watched with skeptical eyes now, someone somewhere will get excited whenever a new MMO is announced. Even Defiance is sounding epic. But thats all smoke and mirrors, until a Public Beta is offered, there will be no real review.

The only opinions that anyone can make on TESO would be is it TES  and unforunately as of now, it doesn't sound or look like one.

Will TESO not being TES make it a bad MMO, no one will know till someone without NDA can give an actual game play review.

 

 

Life is a Maze, so make sure you bring your GPS incase you get lost in it.

  SEANMCAD

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6/08/12 12:29:38 PM#28
Originally posted by Zylaxx
Originally posted by SlavojZizek
Originally posted by timtrack

And most important: What did you learn from this?

 

 

^ this and we leaned next to nothing from the OP. I was particularly surpised to find that no mention was made of the three faction initiative. I too started playing way back with DAoC. The three realm, Hibs, Albs and Mids was awesome. Great to see this coming back and some of the same DAoC developers involved. I will subscribe just for this. Until then I will be playing the 3 faction The Secret World. The beta is awesome.

Yea I left some things off on accident but defenetly 3 faction should of been included.  Sorry bout that, yet another innovative feature.  Just shows you that with all my rambling I was still able to forget a few "key" features which only reinforces the main argument I was trying to make.

there is nothing 'innovative' about 3 factions are you kidding me?

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  Thorqemada

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6/08/12 12:43:56 PM#29

TESO has a few things that may come out positive but at all it is a "bag of wonders" (surprise bag) until hard facts come to our knowledge - more hard facts than it has sort of Daoc-PvP, sort of Public Dungeons and the fight is sort of dynamic, oh, the engine is not the engine but another engine that we have no clue about what it will be and if its ready in time.

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What fate it has is not to know - until they start their make to show.

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  GreenishBlue

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6/08/12 12:50:12 PM#30

I like to play as a "battlemage" on TES games. I guess I will have to select the mage archetype and pick up a sword?  I am assuming the Conjuration spells will be available.

  RebelScum99

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6/08/12 12:54:42 PM#31
Originally posted by deathshroud
Originally posted by Mike-McQueen

I would boycott this if it would stop it but the fact is, like it or not, it's coming. I was hoping for a lot more but over the last couple weeks I find myself coping more and more with it. I don't hate it now and who knows may even come to love it. Time will tell.

 so when the game releases and 4 million people sub to the game zenimax can pat themselves on the back and say we did it, we made exactly what the fans want. Look we have 4 million of them playing our mmo to prove it, now lets think of a sequel we will make it exactly the same but borrow a few more features from our rival mmos and give it fancy graphics and be giving them exactly what they want. All because such a large proportion of the gaming community boohoed and moaned but baught it anyway, because they need their mmo themepark fix.

And who are you to judge people that actually like the game?  Just because it doesn't suit your tastes doesn't mean it won't suit a lot of other people's tastes.  If you want to play shitty sandbox games, go ahead and play Darkfall and Mortal Online with the other 300 people that enjoy that kind of thing.  If you want to wait for a polished sandbox-type game, then wait for Archeage. But don't expect everyone to follow your lead and boycott this game because it isn't everything you want in a game.  That kind of arrogance is what the MMO community doesn't need.  Simply don't play the game.  

  SEANMCAD

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6/08/12 12:57:55 PM#32
Originally posted by RebelScum99
Originally posted by deathshroud
Originally posted by Mike-McQueen

I would boycott this if it would stop it but the fact is, like it or not, it's coming. I was hoping for a lot more but over the last couple weeks I find myself coping more and more with it. I don't hate it now and who knows may even come to love it. Time will tell.

 so when the game releases and 4 million people sub to the game zenimax can pat themselves on the back and say we did it, we made exactly what the fans want. Look we have 4 million of them playing our mmo to prove it, now lets think of a sequel we will make it exactly the same but borrow a few more features from our rival mmos and give it fancy graphics and be giving them exactly what they want. All because such a large proportion of the gaming community boohoed and moaned but baught it anyway, because they need their mmo themepark fix.

And who are you to judge people that actually like the game?  Just because it doesn't suit your tastes doesn't mean it won't suit a lot of other people's tastes.  If you want to play shitty sandbox games, go ahead and play Darkfall and Mortal Online with the other 300 people that enjoy that kind of thing.  If you want to wait for a polished sandbox-type game, then wait for Archeage. But don't expect everyone to follow your lead and boycott this game because it isn't everything you want in a game.  That kind of arrogance is what the MMO community doesn't need.  Simply don't play the game.  

I am boycotting.

look, its not an issue of 'a game as we want it' its an issue of 'a game that in some form or shape kinda sorta resembles what fans like the most about TES'

very different

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  deathshroud

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6/08/12 1:33:32 PM#33
Originally posted by Trol1
Originally posted by deathshroud

i would say that next gen mmo combat is twitch based aim based, this is not next gen its tried and tested with a few minor alterations and that pretty much sums up this mmo, tried and tested. In reality we have already tried and tested this mmo our selves with the countless mmos we have already played. Isnt the whole point of a TESO mmo to be like TES? if it misses that vital part of the puzzle then wtf are we waiting for here?

 

i have no real dobut that TESO will appeal greatly to those who love WOW like mmorpgs and who know or care very little for TES. but for anyone with any love for MMORPGS, thier future and the TES world created by Todd Howard and his team then i urge you to boycott this abomination. If we dont make a stand against this insantiy of SWTOR TOS RIFT etc then how do you ever epxect to see a change in the genre???

 

next we will all be seeing a TES fighting game like street fighter, Or a TES racing game and you will all eat that shit up like good little drones.

This just shows how close-minded some people are, and, to be honest, how little one should show them respect...

but hey. one's never too old to fight the good fight and bash some enlightenment into somebody's skull so here goes:

Have you played Fallout New Vegas? Have you also played Fallout 1 or 2? What about Fallout Tactics?

3 (well, actually four but I'm taking F1 and F2 together) different games with quite different playstyles... and yet, they are all set in the same Fallout universe!

Of course, some fans may like some game better than the other (me, I favor Fallout Tactics), some fans may not even have played or heard of some of the games...

And yet, what all fans will say is that in each game there is a groovy, fun universe...

Now, I mean I do understand (and sort of respect) your concern for MMOs made out of IPs that should better stay singleplayer games, or maybe co-op, but definitely not MMOs - if somebody were to tell me today that they are doing another Evil Dead game, and this one would be a MMO, I would probably throw a toddler's tantrum like you crying "no you can't you can't you cunt!" because the Evil Dead universe is really just Bruce vs Deadites! - but at the same time look  at LOTRO:  yes, it may now only be a huge F2P game, not a subscription superstar, but when i first heard about it I was very much like "so you are going to do make an MMO out of what essentially is just the trip of two Hobbits to a vulcano (with some limited support staff)? You know that everybody will be playing Frodo or Gandalf?" And yet - not having played it myself - there is apparently quite a number of gamers playing and enjoying the LOTRO world...

So, frankly I'll call your "TES must stay singleplayer" attitude a huge pile of BS and would ask you to go the next loo as soon as possible to get rid of it! At this point you (like everybody else in the public) knows very little about how much of the TES universe, the TES setting will actually be in TESO. And yet, here is your big call to boycott the game...

You know, you remind me rather much of all those SWTOR haters who say SWTOR wasn't enough SW while at the same time they loved KOTOR 1 & 2...

Anyhow, just one more thing before you should rush to the toilet: your "it's all been done before, boycott this game if you  care about the future of MMOs" cry...

man, grow up!

Yes, you may say that the late 90s and the first 2 or 3 years of 2000 saw a good chunk of innovation for MMORPGs (going from MUD to 2D to 3D, PvE to PvP to RvR, etc) but  in the last 8 years or so there has really been only one major innovation and that was sadly WoW talking MMORPGs to the casual gamers. Everything else we have seen is either so extreme niche that it only appeals to a very small section of the market or it is really - in the end - rather gimmicky...

So, frankly, if you want to see change, fire up your notepad, start brainstorming ideas and once you have a working model, head over to Kickstarter to get some money! Because otherwise what you'll see is just as with the invention of the wheel: it'll get refined, improved, adjusted but it won't take that leap to become anti-grav pads. Which quite frankly, I'm rather glad of because seeing drivers every day, I'm happy to see them bump into each other and leave some junk on the street rather than those same drivers in their flying cars causing daily meteorid showers to fall on everybody on the ground. ;-)

So, now off to the loo, if you could, please? Thank you.

 i have palyed all the fallout games and your missing the point, fallout3 changed the combat system and perspective granted. But think to yourself now. Was the perspective and or combat system crucial to the gameplay of the original fallout? no it wasnt, fallout was first and foremost an rpg with some very basic multple choice options and great player customisation and all the important stuff translated to fallout3 perfectly fine. The game still contained the crucial gameplay aspects of the fallout series whilst improving on many of its then dated aspects.

TESO is nothing like the original tes games it throws out all the features that made the TES games great and intstead keeps all the non essential aspects of the game. For that it is nothing like comparing the change in the fallout series to the change from TES to TESO so please think about what you are typing.

 

I played quite a few sw games but i disliked kotor and kotor2 im not a huge fan of bioware i thought dragonage sucked and i only played ME1. I played SWG for 2 mnoths at release and quit because it felt like an mmo with a sw skin it lacked that SW feel and excitement i felt like the combat system was better befitting to a star trek theme of think first than a fantasy action based series, were was the twitch based combat. I quit SWG bfore the NGE expansion or whatever and looking back now i think SWG was actually one of the better MMOs i played but because i came straight from UO it felt lacking.

So with all that you have a very incorrect percpetion of me. No i do not think kotor is anything like sw and no i did not play swtor since i was smart enough to avoid it considering the disapointment that was swg and no comparing fallout to fallout3 is nothing like comparing TES to TESO. its more like comparing Syndicate to the new Syndicate game that was released Or comparing XCOM enemy unknown to that announced XCOM shooter. They compeltey switched the genre of the game and left everything that made the original good behind just like zenimax.

 

Zenimax missed the point entirely. Now if their next game was a shooter based on TES or a fighting game it would be exactly the same just more obvious of a cash in. There are plenty of WOW esque mmorpgs out there do we really need another one? Zenimax most liekly dont care if we need another one so long as they make a profit why would they.

there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.

  deathshroud

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6/08/12 1:53:56 PM#34
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by RebelScum99
Originally posted by deathshroud
Originally posted by Mike-McQueen

I would boycott this if it would stop it but the fact is, like it or not, it's coming. I was hoping for a lot more but over the last couple weeks I find myself coping more and more with it. I don't hate it now and who knows may even come to love it. Time will tell.

 so when the game releases and 4 million people sub to the game zenimax can pat themselves on the back and say we did it, we made exactly what the fans want. Look we have 4 million of them playing our mmo to prove it, now lets think of a sequel we will make it exactly the same but borrow a few more features from our rival mmos and give it fancy graphics and be giving them exactly what they want. All because such a large proportion of the gaming community boohoed and moaned but baught it anyway, because they need their mmo themepark fix.

And who are you to judge people that actually like the game?  Just because it doesn't suit your tastes doesn't mean it won't suit a lot of other people's tastes.  If you want to play shitty sandbox games, go ahead and play Darkfall and Mortal Online with the other 300 people that enjoy that kind of thing.  If you want to wait for a polished sandbox-type game, then wait for Archeage. But don't expect everyone to follow your lead and boycott this game because it isn't everything you want in a game.  That kind of arrogance is what the MMO community doesn't need.  Simply don't play the game.  

I am boycotting.

look, its not an issue of 'a game as we want it' its an issue of 'a game that in some form or shape kinda sorta resembles what fans like the most about TES'

very different

 i honestly have nothing agaisnt those people who like the idea of TESO, who didnt play TES who are fans of WOW eque games or whatever. I see no issue what so ever with them playing TESO even those who played TES but still like the idea of TESO go play it fill your boots.

But those who dislike TESO who wanted an mmorpg that does justice to the world of TES and who moan and dislike were the genre is heading, im trying to communicate with those people. The ones who are disgruntled but might still purchase it anyway because they are bored or because they need another mmo fix. I say dont buy it make a stand. If you want your dream mmo to be reality then dont buy something for the sake of buying it.

there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.

  SEANMCAD

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6/08/12 1:56:08 PM#35
Originally posted by deathshroud
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by RebelScum99
Originally posted by deathshroud
Originally posted by Mike-McQueen

I would boycott this if it would stop it but the fact is, like it or not, it's coming. I was hoping for a lot more but over the last couple weeks I find myself coping more and more with it. I don't hate it now and who knows may even come to love it. Time will tell.

 so when the game releases and 4 million people sub to the game zenimax can pat themselves on the back and say we did it, we made exactly what the fans want. Look we have 4 million of them playing our mmo to prove it, now lets think of a sequel we will make it exactly the same but borrow a few more features from our rival mmos and give it fancy graphics and be giving them exactly what they want. All because such a large proportion of the gaming community boohoed and moaned but baught it anyway, because they need their mmo themepark fix.

And who are you to judge people that actually like the game?  Just because it doesn't suit your tastes doesn't mean it won't suit a lot of other people's tastes.  If you want to play shitty sandbox games, go ahead and play Darkfall and Mortal Online with the other 300 people that enjoy that kind of thing.  If you want to wait for a polished sandbox-type game, then wait for Archeage. But don't expect everyone to follow your lead and boycott this game because it isn't everything you want in a game.  That kind of arrogance is what the MMO community doesn't need.  Simply don't play the game.  

I am boycotting.

look, its not an issue of 'a game as we want it' its an issue of 'a game that in some form or shape kinda sorta resembles what fans like the most about TES'

very different

 i honestly have nothing agaisnt those people who like the idea of TESO, who didnt play TES who are fans of WOW eque games or whatever. I see no issue what so ever with them playing TESO even those who played TES but still like the idea of TESO go play it fill your boots.

But those who dislike TESO who wanted an mmorpg that idd justice to the world of TES and who moan and dislike were the genre is heading, im trying to communicate with those people. The ones who are disgruntled but might still purchase it anyway because they are bored or because they need another mmo fix. I say dont buy it make a stand. If you want your dream mmo to be reality then dont buy something for the sake of buying it.

I am agnostic to it what is or is not an issue I am just pointing out that there is a difference between the two.

I am no over at Hello Kitty website complaining about why its not like a TES game, I am however here complaining why TES Online is not like a TES game. Are you trying to suggest that its the same as me going to Hello Kitty and complaining that the game is not like a TES game?

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  deathshroud

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6/08/12 2:04:15 PM#36
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by deathshroud
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by RebelScum99
Originally posted by deathshroud
Originally posted by Mike-McQueen

I would boycott this if it would stop it but the fact is, like it or not, it's coming. I was hoping for a lot more but over the last couple weeks I find myself coping more and more with it. I don't hate it now and who knows may even come to love it. Time will tell.

 so when the game releases and 4 million people sub to the game zenimax can pat themselves on the back and say we did it, we made exactly what the fans want. Look we have 4 million of them playing our mmo to prove it, now lets think of a sequel we will make it exactly the same but borrow a few more features from our rival mmos and give it fancy graphics and be giving them exactly what they want. All because such a large proportion of the gaming community boohoed and moaned but baught it anyway, because they need their mmo themepark fix.

And who are you to judge people that actually like the game?  Just because it doesn't suit your tastes doesn't mean it won't suit a lot of other people's tastes.  If you want to play shitty sandbox games, go ahead and play Darkfall and Mortal Online with the other 300 people that enjoy that kind of thing.  If you want to wait for a polished sandbox-type game, then wait for Archeage. But don't expect everyone to follow your lead and boycott this game because it isn't everything you want in a game.  That kind of arrogance is what the MMO community doesn't need.  Simply don't play the game.  

I am boycotting.

look, its not an issue of 'a game as we want it' its an issue of 'a game that in some form or shape kinda sorta resembles what fans like the most about TES'

very different

 i honestly have nothing agaisnt those people who like the idea of TESO, who didnt play TES who are fans of WOW eque games or whatever. I see no issue what so ever with them playing TESO even those who played TES but still like the idea of TESO go play it fill your boots.

But those who dislike TESO who wanted an mmorpg that idd justice to the world of TES and who moan and dislike were the genre is heading, im trying to communicate with those people. The ones who are disgruntled but might still purchase it anyway because they are bored or because they need another mmo fix. I say dont buy it make a stand. If you want your dream mmo to be reality then dont buy something for the sake of buying it.

I am agnostic to it what is or is not an issue I am just pointing out that there is a difference between the two.

I am no over at Hello Kitty website complaining about why its not like a TES game, I am however here complaining why TES Online is not like a TES game. Are you trying to suggest that its the same as me going to Hello Kitty and complaining that the game is not like a TES game?

 my post was for the guy who posted before you, but i thoguht that would of been obvious consdiering the context of what i posted. But regarding your new post. Im like WTF. sorry i dont understand how that relates to my post unless you are replying to a psot you already replied to earlier.

there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.

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6/08/12 2:08:48 PM#37
Originally posted by TGSOL

...that actually sounds pretty awesome. Maybe I've been too harsh to ESO without really knowing what I was talking about...

 

You and about 90% of everyone else on these forums...it's not just ESO either. People like to jump on the hate-parade for fun and glory.

  Moaky07

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MMO sandbox games are as exciting as watching paint dry.

6/08/12 2:10:52 PM#38
Originally posted by Zylaxx
Originally posted by SlavojZizek
Originally posted by timtrack

And most important: What did you learn from this?

 

 

^ this and we leaned next to nothing from the OP. I was particularly surpised to find that no mention was made of the three faction initiative. I too started playing way back with DAoC. The three realm, Hibs, Albs and Mids was awesome. Great to see this coming back and some of the same DAoC developers involved. I will subscribe just for this. Until then I will be playing the 3 faction The Secret World. The beta is awesome.

Yea I left some things off on accident but defenetly 3 faction should of been included.  Sorry bout that, yet another innovative feature.  Just shows you that with all my rambling I was still able to forget a few "key" features which only reinforces the main argument I was trying to make.

Yeah I mentioned the 3 faction stuff in the thread I created the other day.

 

I am not a PVP gamer, but my understanding is that they eat the 3 faction shit up.

Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.

  SEANMCAD

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6/08/12 2:13:02 PM#39
Originally posted by deathshroud

 my post was for the guy who posted before you, but i thoguht that would of been obvious consdiering the context of what i posted. But regarding your new post. Im like WTF. sorry i dont understand how that relates to my post unless you are replying to a psot you already replied to earlier.

I was addressing this statement:

Just because it doesn't suit your tastes

I was pointing out that there is a difference between a TES fan saying 'hey this TES Online thing isnt at all like a TES game this blows' then someone going to any random game complaining about things that dont match their taste.

not sure if my comment has context to the whole conversation but that is the only point I was making.

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  SEANMCAD

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6/08/12 2:14:24 PM#40
Originally posted by Moaky07
Originally posted by Zylaxx
Originally posted by SlavojZizek
Originally posted by timtrack

And most important: What did you learn from this?

 

 

^ this and we leaned next to nothing from the OP. I was particularly surpised to find that no mention was made of the three faction initiative. I too started playing way back with DAoC. The three realm, Hibs, Albs and Mids was awesome. Great to see this coming back and some of the same DAoC developers involved. I will subscribe just for this. Until then I will be playing the 3 faction The Secret World. The beta is awesome.

Yea I left some things off on accident but defenetly 3 faction should of been included.  Sorry bout that, yet another innovative feature.  Just shows you that with all my rambling I was still able to forget a few "key" features which only reinforces the main argument I was trying to make.

Yeah I mentioned the 3 faction stuff in the thread I created the other day.

 

I am not a PVP gamer, but my understanding is that they eat the 3 faction shit up.

3 faction is about as 'innovative' as putting carpet over hardwood floor.

If you remove faction requirements the players will create as many factions as they want without using  any game mechanic at all.

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