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  Ozmodan

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6/01/12 2:15:22 PM#21

Even SOE recognizes you can't do permadeath in a MMO with current state of internet connections, so if you were counting on that feature you can forget it.

As to a MMO world strictly of dungeons, that would get very old fast.

  TruthXHurts

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6/01/12 2:19:45 PM#22
Originally posted by Ozmodan

Even SOE recognizes you can't do permadeath in a MMO with current state of internet connections, so if you were counting on that feature you can forget it.

As to a MMO world strictly of dungeons, that would get very old fast.

There are several games that do permadeath. You obviously hav eno idea hwo the system works either. You travel back to your body in the spirit realm. If you make it back to your body in time you recover, but you can only do this so many times. I will lay it I played Diablo 2 on Hardcore for years with Dial up so don't tell me that perma death isn't popular because you were still squirting in your shorts the last time a major game featured it. I'm pretty sure there are tons of D3 hardcore players as well so please tell me more about how no one likes perma death.

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6/01/12 2:29:15 PM#23
Originally posted by Myrdynn

as my first RPG ever, I must support every title with Wizardry involved in it.  We owe the entire RPG and MMO gaming world to this icon imo.  Wizardry, Bards Tale and Ultima set the industry on the move

 

on ultima case before EA put his hands on it, and wizardry 8 they sure could make the combat faster, other then that all is nice :)

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  Theocritus

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6/01/12 2:34:27 PM#24
Originally posted by ForumPvP

Wizardy Vs Elder Scrolls round II

 

      Well if either one is anywhere near as good as the single player games were, then I'll be playing both...... Wizardry 8, Daggerfall, and SKyrim are probably 3 of the best PC games of all time.

  EndDream

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6/01/12 2:59:33 PM#25
Originally posted by Ozmodan

Even SOE recognizes you can't do permadeath in a MMO with current state of internet connections, so if you were counting on that feature you can forget it.

As to a MMO world strictly of dungeons, that would get very old fast.

The fastest selling PC game ever that was released last month disagrees.

Remember Old School Ultima Online

  Nadia

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6/01/12 3:03:24 PM#26

game site

http://www.gamepot.co.jp/wiz_en/

 

regarding permadeath, this was said at last years E3

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/09/e3-2011-first-look-at-wizardry-online/

the Headlock devs are blunt about your chances: "Wizardry is a very difficult game and delights in killing the player. MMOs today coddle the player, but we're taking a different route. That said, this is a fair game that rewards the strategic and skillful player."

But just how hardcore is Wizardry Online? One word sums it up: permadeath. "When you die, you become a ghost and have a chance to get your body back," the rep said. "But if you should fail, you'll lose your body forever."

  BigHatLogan

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6/01/12 3:04:25 PM#27
Originally posted by Ozmodan

Even SOE recognizes you can't do permadeath in a MMO with current state of internet connections, so if you were counting on that feature you can forget it.

As to a MMO world strictly of dungeons, that would get very old fast.

The entire game is designed around permadeath, it wouldn't work without it.  All you are doing is stateing a (wrong) opinion as fact with nothing to back it up.  An mmorpg set up as a massive maze with completely open pvp and permadeath would probably be the most exciting and difficult game on the market.

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  Nadia

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6/01/12 3:13:34 PM#28

from googling around,

this game has been "live" in Japan for the last 8 months

 

http://www.rpgwatch.com/show/newsbit?newsbit=18304

Japanese MMO Publisher Seeks Partners for Worldwide Distribution

Los Angeles – Oct. 17, 2011 – Leading Japanese massively multiplayer online (MMO) game publisher Gamepot Inc. is continuing its march to bring Wizardry Online to gamers around the world. Launching the open beta in Japan last week to an overwhelmingly positive response, Gamepot quickly added multiple new servers to accommodate the more than 100,000 sign-ups acquired on the first day of testing alone. Commercial service is now live in Japan and Gamepot is working to deliver an English version to fans in the U.S. and Europe in early 2012.

  Valentina

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6/01/12 4:01:12 PM#29

If there's perma-death it's not going to be very successful, just sayin.

  Ozmodan

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6/01/12 4:02:05 PM#30
Originally posted by TruthXHurts
Originally posted by Ozmodan

Even SOE recognizes you can't do permadeath in a MMO with current state of internet connections, so if you were counting on that feature you can forget it.

As to a MMO world strictly of dungeons, that would get very old fast.

There are several games that do permadeath. You obviously hav eno idea hwo the system works either. You travel back to your body in the spirit realm. If you make it back to your body in time you recover, but you can only do this so many times. I will lay it I played Diablo 2 on Hardcore for years with Dial up so don't tell me that perma death isn't popular because you were still squirting in your shorts the last time a major game featured it. I'm pretty sure there are tons of D3 hardcore players as well so please tell me more about how no one likes perma death.

Well games like Diablo can do it because they really don't have GM support, you just cannot believe what a support nightmare is for GM's with permadeath in MMO's.  Bad enough in games like Eve where they lose items.  So no, SOE knows better, they will not have permadeath in the game it will become some other form of losing items or some such.  BTW spirit form is not permadeath, you might learn what the term means.

  Zekiah

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6/01/12 4:04:11 PM#31
Originally posted by Asamof

heart sank when I saw SOE's name

so much for this game

 

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  Nadia

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6/01/12 4:28:54 PM#32
Originally posted by Ozmodan spirit form is not permadeath, you might learn what the term means.

the death is permanent if you fail to get a spirit shrine

permadeath = loss of character forever

 

  BigHatLogan

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6/01/12 5:30:16 PM#33

The permadeath is Wizardry Online is more complicated than you people think.  I've been reading badly translated reviews for a while now.  When you die you go into spirit form and have a chance to get your body back, if you get it back then you aren't permanently dead.  However, each time you do this there is a ever increasing chance that the character dies permanently even if you get your corpse back.  Die too many times and you are dead.  However, in addition to standard character advancement the game also features a Soul Level.  This is advancement that your characters will retain even in permanent death.  Your overall soul level will never be taken from you so advancement monkeys won't necessarily just freak out when they lose a character. 

All areas of the game allow for PVP, so yes, you can get ganked and killed.  Towns have guards that will attack players flagged as outlaws though, so gankers have to stay out of the major cities.  

Permadeath is something we have been missing in mmorpgs for a while and this game will carve out a solid nitch for itself if it sticks with the hardcore principles forged in Japan. 

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  Johnie-Marz

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6/01/12 5:46:57 PM#34

Interesting, I wonder how much of the spaceship stuff they will be keeping in the game.

  TsaboHavoc

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6/01/12 5:51:41 PM#35

oh yeah!! finally a mmorpg that i want to play, hope Sony dont screw it ( i know they will)

  itchmon

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6/01/12 7:01:22 PM#36

with ther soul levels it doesnt seem too harsh even with permadeath.  it kinda reminds me of getting kerpodded in eve (which has happened many a time heh)

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  tazarconan

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6/01/12 7:09:56 PM#37

Waiting for it anxiously. Surely its something new . Not many well known mmorpgs walk the path of permadeath.Hoping it will also have something of the magic of the 90's rpgs that used to came out and made us rpgholics.

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6/01/12 7:41:19 PM#38
Originally posted by EndDream
Originally posted by Ozmodan

Even SOE recognizes you can't do permadeath in a MMO with current state of internet connections, so if you were counting on that feature you can forget it.

As to a MMO world strictly of dungeons, that would get very old fast.

The fastest selling PC game ever that was released last month disagrees.

Yeah, and in that game permadeath is an option and not forced on everyone. I can guarantee that if it was forced permadeath you would alienate the vast majority of those customers.

Having a permadeath server? Sure why not....

Having permadeath for everyone? Say goodbye to the majority of your potential subscribers. 

  dubyahite

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6/01/12 8:33:47 PM#39
Love or hate SOE, you gotta give them this:

They are trying to break the mold. They definitely are trying to advance the genre in lots of ways.

Sandbox MMOs, Mmofps, kids MMOs, free to play, action based combat, their in house engine, etc.

They definitely aren't churning out your average eq/wow clone over and over. Well, EQ3 might be the exception to that, but we really don't know.

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  Vorthanion

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6/01/12 9:35:05 PM#40

I've played all of the Wizardry games.  I won't be playing this one.  I never considered the series to be hardcore, but that sure seems to be the spin they're going for and I'm not up for it.

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