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OP  5/31/12 7:38:20 PM#1

This has been a rough week in game development with studios closing, developers being laid off and games being canceled. In today's Developer Perspectives, we get an inside look at how it all feels and what it means. Read on!

One of the comments swirling around the collective MMO universe is that the recently axed employees had to be delusional to not realize the end was near. That's completely unfair, and untrue. It's true that the more experienced you are, the more likely you are to know that something is wrong. (Many of the most telling red flags are only visible in hindsight, and so you can't recognize them until you've been clubbed by them.) But you may not know what, and you certainly don't know when. I have not been shocked to learn of the demise of any of my employers - but the timing has been at least somewhat unexpected every time.

Read more of Sanya Weathers' Developer Perspectives: Closing Time.

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6/01/12 7:21:55 AM#2
I feel for people who lose their jobs due to poor management.38 srudio been a prime example.

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6/01/12 7:26:10 AM#3
Ouch that sucks. I feel your pain when I was laid off from Microsoft they let me walk to my car myself kept some pride at least. It's sad that these things happen and I agree that there is a special place in hell for really anyone with those traits that you mention.

I hope that people can bounce back from this and I hope that those people can find TRUE job security in an age where it is nearly impossible to find some, even the federal government ( which HAD amazing job security ) is loosing ground. People think that there is no resesion , but don't be fooled things may seem calm now, but this is just the eye of the storm and the calm won't last much longer.

I hope that you can find meaningful work again and something that is stable because , pardon me for saying this, that is just utter bs to go through with that. My hats off to you!

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6/01/12 7:33:10 AM#4

what dosent kill you makes you stronger and dont worry I have a think on my life I always get a better job then the previews ones I always make sure I do that and it keeps me happy, be smart next think you may be making mad mad money :)


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6/01/12 7:49:52 AM#5

Ugh, this brings back memories.  I was a CSR at Mythic for Warhammer and had made it to the third round of layoffs and just like you said Sonya, I kept hoping the game would turn around and I would move up into QA or other design areas if I just worked hard enough.  I moved to the area just for the job, which I don't regret by the way.  Virginia is so much better than New Jersey any day of the week.  

That being said I've had 2 jobs since then and both have laid me off and I now spend my time throwing my resume at every possible job opportunity that comes across my browser hoping for something, anything to get me back on my employment feet.  I miss the people I had started to develop relationships with and I, at times, almost regret loving games so much that I was willing to move to another state just to get my foot in the door(still don't regret it though, love this state!).  Makes one wonder about their passions and dreams though.  While nice to have, they don't always put food on the table.

Anyway, enough lamenting, just wanted to say "Hear, Hear, you're not alone" and sharing in this miserable aspect of our current economy and it's overflow into our favorite passtime.


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6/01/12 8:31:41 AM#6

People forget this is a business.  It is quite obvious that 38 studios was not run like a business.  400+ employees with only a single player game as an income source equals only one result.  All I can say is what were they thinking?   They were doomed before they started and I do not feel sorry for them.  Why should anyone feel sorry for someone that is doing something in a stupid manner.

I do feel sorry for Sanya's company though, they just could not get funding, they were not piling on the employee's in this case.  Money is tight right now and unless you have a rich champion you are on the outside looking in.



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6/01/12 8:48:13 AM#7

Yeah, one of the worst aspects of a genre becoming popular...corporations come in and take over and it all becomes a game of numbers, people dont matter. Then there is the 38 studios types of companies. Great employee's....poor management.

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6/01/12 8:48:13 AM#8

 Oh nice...that never happened before.

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6/01/12 9:34:32 AM#9

its not only the the people in business suits, the fault is also of the consumer......


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6/01/12 9:41:32 AM#10
Originally posted by xaritscin

its not only the the people in business suits, the fault is also of the consumer......

That is just absurd.  Like blaming guns for killing people. Sheesh.


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6/01/12 9:44:01 AM#11

If you are the person who sees it coming (perhaps by noticing that the financials were arranged so that total assets were listed as a dollar below total liabilities in the last always-slightly-fudged balance sheet), it doesn't help - you just slowly go insane from the stress of wondering which day the axe will fall.  And knowing that you were right doesn't make you feel better, it makes you feel oddly responsible, no matter how down the totem pole your job was. 

( of course, if you're really lucky, you'll hold out through several waves of layoffs until actual bankruptcy occurs, all the well-oiled processes break down and HR just sort of struggles through the legally required briefing script while biting a lip, meekly appologizes for not having any severence package paperwork and just quietly leaves the room, leaving you to find your own way out unescorted through the cavernous empty halls ) 

edit: hmm ... *wanders off to play with my cat*


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6/01/12 9:52:49 AM#12

Originally posted by chelao
what dosent kill you makes you stronger

Or/Until it cripples you...


Well, most times employees deserve what they get but never get what they deserve - payment and treatment correlate with might not working ethics!

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6/01/12 11:19:10 AM#13

It's always the little men that get the shaft, which is why numnuts like Kotick and Riccitiello irk me to no end. It's easy to be smug and confident when you're the one using the people around you. It's the primary reason why I'm starting to shy away from the games industry, went for the animation studio internship over games internships. That "pink slip" mentality is pretty much industry-wide, but at least in animation the generally more transient nature (project-to-project) allows for foresight into your future; you know in 1-3 years it's time to start looking for the next job. Never have to settle and get used to people only to have the rug torn out from under you, nor are you obligated to put up with bosses, CEOs and head-honchos you can't stand for very long.


Someone earlier mentioned the consumer is to blame. I'd agree, but probably not for the reasons they intended (or maybe so, they didn't elaborate). The fact of the matter is that money corrupts people, and when you as a consumer continue feeding these leeches your money, you validate their actions and are telling them that everything they're doing is perfectly fine. You're not just validating lackluster games based just on the brand name, you're validating business practices and the people who decide them. Money is power, and they have your money because you give it to them, thus they have the power to keep fucking everyone over, both employee and consumer, as many times as they like.


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6/01/12 2:38:20 PM#14

It reminds me a lot of the broadcasting industry.  I worked radio and TV back in my 20s.  Horrid business to be in.  Pack up the kids, move two thousand miles, get settled in, and then they fire the whole staff and start over as a country-rock station.

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6/01/12 3:14:37 PM#15

Great read i enjoyed it very much, sad for sure, but then again life is not easy. The way our economy work today is harsh, probably always have been though, but for our post WW2 parents it was a bit easier for sure and most of us were educated by them. I also almost went into some close business with my 3d skill, and what i saw at the door wasn't very nice tbh, with all those 6 month to 3 years contracts if you are super lucky that lead you nowhere. In any case my path went an other way, is it more secure or not i can't tell. Does human relationship have less heaviness, i'm not sure, it's just an other path i guess.


Also i don't think you should take it that much personally, i know its a bit hard because its always the first reaction any normal person will have "did i did something wrong?", But fact is in 99% of the case it was just an external reason that is totally unrelated to you, and if it was related you probably won' never know because people are just dicks, sad but true, we don't weight much in the balance let be honest here. And personal relationship can do as much as little sadly.

I'm not being very positive i guess here, but that's just the way it is :(


I also think you guys at should let people from the inside talk more, it would build a better relation and a better vision of what those games and the industry is about. A lot of kids and older kids like me are too detached to have any good opinion.


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Who did wrong? The advertiser hired to sell the game or the consumer who put faith in advertising?

6/01/12 4:01:05 PM#16
Originally posted by elocke
Originally posted by xaritscin

its not only the the people in business suits, the fault is also of the consumer......

That is just absurd.  Like blaming guns for killing people. Sheesh.

Yeah....everyone know's it's those darn bullets.


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6/01/12 4:05:14 PM#17

This is why I decided I couldn't fit into the typical workforce.  Instead I decided to base my life entirely on acquiring new and more skills and not basing my economic life on elevating myself within an organization through self-marketing or anything else.

Mostly because I suck at that sort of thing, but this way seems to be working out ok.

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Boom goes the dynamite!

6/01/12 4:08:17 PM#18


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6/01/12 4:34:54 PM#19

I had that happen too me twice, and both times I seen it coming. 

I worked for a local chain drug store we were a small shop of 4 programmers,  so I did all the financials. I was running the numbers and giving them straight to the president of the company, so I knew something was up.  Sure enough one day got called into the boardroom and told we been sold. 

Then I worked at a local insurance company 400 programmers,  the economy took a dive, folks cancel insurance quickly when they cant afford it and then they let folks go.  I got the first round of layoffs (cure word for your fired), with a severance package. That company went from a size of 5k to 1k at the campus where  they are located.

It always bites when it happens.  I like to be the one to tell the folks I am working for that they are no longer needed, not the other way around. 

It is just the way things are in IT nowadays. I hate that it happens to anybody but as volatile as the economy is it happens all far to often.


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6/01/12 5:35:04 PM#20
Originally posted by xaritscin

its not only the the people in business suits, the fault is also of the consumer......

Um, no? People don't like a game they don't buy it... it's not ever the fault of the consumer... what an absurd comment.

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