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  Distopia

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5/30/12 4:50:51 PM#21
Originally posted by PyrateLV

Your blind fanboism to mediocrity, redundancy and the mainstream formulaic standard is embarassing as well.

 

I would much rather be embarassed (with my "diatribe and hate") by speaking out against this derivative standard that has plagued (yes its a PLAGUE!!) MMOs for the last 5+ years, than to just bend over to it like some.

What does what he said have to do with "Blind Fanboism"? Holding out judgment until we see what the game looks and play's like, has nothing to do with being a fanboi. We know snippets of the overall structure of this game and that's it. I sure as hell am no fan of something I know basically nothing about.

Who's bendng over to it at this point?

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  PyrateLV

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OP  5/30/12 4:56:31 PM#22
Originally posted by Chrisbox   I've played many, tried many just like yourself, still playing TERA as well. But I dont have to set a signature to make sure people know.

LOL

I put those games in a sig because too many times Id post an opinion and get a "Oh yeah? What games have you played" response.

Now that I have it in a sig I get "Youre an arrogant ass for displaying those games" response.

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  mmaize

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5/30/12 4:57:24 PM#23
Originally posted by Chrisbox
Originally posted by mmaize
Originally posted by Chrisbox
Originally posted by PyrateLV
Originally posted by Chrisbox

 

Its more then obvious pyrate, that you are obsessed with embarassing yourself infront of the community by expressing your hatred for this game. 

Your blind fanboism to mediocrity, redundancy and the mainstream formulaic standard is embarassing as well.

 

I would much rather be embarassed (with my "diatribe and hate") by speaking out against this derivative standard that has plagued (yes its a PLAGUE!!) MMOs for the last 5+ years, than to just bend over to it like some.

Just because one does not agree with your statement, does not make them blind nor mediocre.  That "standard" that has been set to themeparks for so long now is finally starting to deteriorate, and theres millions of people enjoying the games that are taking away from it.  If anything, you are too blind in your own beliefs to see this.  But you also failed to copy the part of my comment where I recognize those who are crying about the loss of elder scrolls mechanics in this game, which leads me to my original point of you still expressing hatred for this game knowing it isn't intended to be played by you.


Actually, Pyrate has the right of it.  Just because your generation of gamers is eating the "crap" sandwich because it's all they have known, doesn't make it the new acceptable standard especially to those who have had the best philly cheesteak of their lives.  Your generation of games pales in comparison to most of the older stuff and any time something older is better other than wine or art or cheese maybe...it's not a good thing.  The only thing the new generation can claim is graphical improvements other than that everything else has gone down the toilet in the name of the almight dollar and you just keep eating the crap and telling them how great it tastes.

Hell Starflight (Yep..the dreaded space genre..go figure) made back in '86 or something like that and was DOS based still has superior RPG aspects to it than the majority of games made today.  That is beyond sad.  And while yes this was a stand alone game vs. an MMO the point  is still the same.  I can take Ultima Online and go on about the attention to details that game had that allowed someone to do much more than the whole "wash, rinse, repeat" droll of PvP and PvE grinding that is used today.

So sorry you have no idea what your talking about other than a keen ability to drink the koolaid.

I think your misunderstanding quite a bit.  We are discussing elder scrolls being brought into the MMO genre correct? This "crap" sandwich, that you call traditional mmo format has been around for quite a while now, and is extremely popular.  Now I myself am a big fan of both themeparks and sanbox games, but more rapidly I see the bar being set high for the next themepark MMO.  A WoW clone will not survive, it has been proven many times.  With all the recent MMO fails, there have been innovations (TERA's combat anyone?).  All across the board we can see classic mechanics being variated on for the better- Rift bringing in 3 faction world pvp, ESO starting with 3 faction world pvp, ESO bringing back public dungeons, GW2 world events.  Notice how all of these things encourage player interaction, its about time the themepark genre put the MMO back in MMORPG and ESO is an obvious step in that direction, just as other MMO's to come will be.  You can dwell on past innovations in the genre all you want but theres a reason those games are dead and we should be thinking about the road infront of us.


Nope no misunderstanding I got it just fine.  And the reply is the same.  These innovations as you call them aren't really innovating with the one exception perhaps being TERA's combat which some love and some hate...but in my book it's new so I put a check in innovative.  3 faction?  Done in DAoC and was successful in my opinion but not innovative.  World events?  Rift did do that but then so did Asheron's Call.   It seems we want the same thing in terms of seeing innovation I think the difference is that Pyrate or at least from what I gathered, and I put myself in that group, believes that Sandbox is the future which is one of the largest factors that makes Skyrim as successful as it is.  And we can argue how many aspects of it is themebox vs. sandbox all day but it leans far more toward sandbox than themepark being that it's open ended, you can follow the story if you want sure but you can also land into the story by doing your own thing and as you explore the quests land in your lap.  There are some skillsets yes but you can max out as you see fit rather than pick a tree to go down.  There is no set class but rather you can pick the skill sets you like and you do that by visiting places or people who help you learn those skills or through performing them on your own.  

 Leaning too far toward themepark is why these MMOs fail.   Too much worry about making money as fast as possible.  Copy/Paste, rails, lead the player rather than the player take the lead....all wrong.

  Chrisbox

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5/30/12 5:17:20 PM#24
Originally posted by mmaize
Originally posted by Chrisbox
Originally posted by mmaize
Originally posted by Chrisbox
Originally posted by PyrateLV
Originally posted by Chrisbox

 

Its more then obvious pyrate, that you are obsessed with embarassing yourself infront of the community by expressing your hatred for this game. 

Your blind fanboism to mediocrity, redundancy and the mainstream formulaic standard is embarassing as well.

 

I would much rather be embarassed (with my "diatribe and hate") by speaking out against this derivative standard that has plagued (yes its a PLAGUE!!) MMOs for the last 5+ years, than to just bend over to it like some.

Just because one does not agree with your statement, does not make them blind nor mediocre.  That "standard" that has been set to themeparks for so long now is finally starting to deteriorate, and theres millions of people enjoying the games that are taking away from it.  If anything, you are too blind in your own beliefs to see this.  But you also failed to copy the part of my comment where I recognize those who are crying about the loss of elder scrolls mechanics in this game, which leads me to my original point of you still expressing hatred for this game knowing it isn't intended to be played by you.


Actually, Pyrate has the right of it.  Just because your generation of gamers is eating the "crap" sandwich because it's all they have known, doesn't make it the new acceptable standard especially to those who have had the best philly cheesteak of their lives.  Your generation of games pales in comparison to most of the older stuff and any time something older is better other than wine or art or cheese maybe...it's not a good thing.  The only thing the new generation can claim is graphical improvements other than that everything else has gone down the toilet in the name of the almight dollar and you just keep eating the crap and telling them how great it tastes.

Hell Starflight (Yep..the dreaded space genre..go figure) made back in '86 or something like that and was DOS based still has superior RPG aspects to it than the majority of games made today.  That is beyond sad.  And while yes this was a stand alone game vs. an MMO the point  is still the same.  I can take Ultima Online and go on about the attention to details that game had that allowed someone to do much more than the whole "wash, rinse, repeat" droll of PvP and PvE grinding that is used today.

So sorry you have no idea what your talking about other than a keen ability to drink the koolaid.

I think your misunderstanding quite a bit.  We are discussing elder scrolls being brought into the MMO genre correct? This "crap" sandwich, that you call traditional mmo format has been around for quite a while now, and is extremely popular.  Now I myself am a big fan of both themeparks and sanbox games, but more rapidly I see the bar being set high for the next themepark MMO.  A WoW clone will not survive, it has been proven many times.  With all the recent MMO fails, there have been innovations (TERA's combat anyone?).  All across the board we can see classic mechanics being variated on for the better- Rift bringing in 3 faction world pvp, ESO starting with 3 faction world pvp, ESO bringing back public dungeons, GW2 world events.  Notice how all of these things encourage player interaction, its about time the themepark genre put the MMO back in MMORPG and ESO is an obvious step in that direction, just as other MMO's to come will be.  You can dwell on past innovations in the genre all you want but theres a reason those games are dead and we should be thinking about the road infront of us.


Nope no misunderstanding I got it just fine.  And the reply is the same.  These innovations as you call them aren't really innovating with the one exception perhaps being TERA's combat which some love and some hate...but in my book it's new so I put a check in innovative.  3 faction?  Done in DAoC and was successful in my opinion but not innovative.  World events?  Rift did do that but then so did Asheron's Call.   It seems we want the same thing in terms of seeing innovation I think the difference is that Pyrate or at least from what I gathered, and I put myself in that group, believes that Sandbox is the future which is one of the largest factors that makes Skyrim as successful as it is.  And we can argue how many aspects of it is themebox vs. sandbox all day but it leans far more toward sandbox than themepark being that it's open ended, you can follow the story if you want sure but you can also land into the story by doing your own thing and as you explore the quests land in your lap.  There are some skillsets yes but you can max out as you see fit rather than pick a tree to go down.  There is no set class but rather you can pick the skill sets you like and you do that by visiting places or people who help you learn those skills or through performing them on your own.  

 Leaning too far toward themepark is why these MMOs fail.   Too much worry about making money as fast as possible.  Copy/Paste, rails, lead the player rather than the player take the lead....all wrong.

Im well aware of what a sandbox is, my personal favorite, EVE ive been playing for a good amount of time now.  If you are one of the self proclaimed "sandbox is the future" groupies then why are you here discussing themeparks? If you actually play them enough, and look at themeparks theres a reason that the amazing genre that is sandbox will always be a minority, thought more and more I see sandbox inspired, player driven mechanics being brought into themeparks. That to me is just plain awesome, for example the vanarch political system in TERA, completely player controlled.  But even still, that is not at all what we are discussing and is not relevant to ESO either.

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  KingGator

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5/30/12 5:25:29 PM#25

The hate for this game is almost laughable. Is it because it isn't going to have fps combat? It isn't going to ruin the bethesda games, it isn't even connected to them beyond lore. Take the game as it comes, it may actually be interesting, the hateful hysterics re almost any new title would be funny if it weren't such a damning indication of what a whiney society we've become.

  PyrateLV

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OP  5/30/12 5:27:18 PM#26
Originally posted by Chrisbox
Originally posted by PyrateLV
Originally posted by Chrisbox   I've played many, tried many just like yourself, still playing TERA as well. But I dont have to set a signature to make sure people know.

LOL

I put those games in a sig because too many times Id post an opinion and get a "Oh yeah? What games have you played" response.

Now that I have it in a sig I get "Youre an arrogant ass for displaying those games" response.

Is this a joke? Out of everything I have just written in that last comment you choose to respond to that line ( 2nd time you have responded to 1 line in a response) , which when you copy it alone can sound like I was trying to sound arrogant.  People like you are the key reason real forum discussion is dying and im done even trying to convey rational thought to that small mind of yours.

I didnt respond to the rest because I wasnt interest in discussing it.

Just wanted to comment on your opinion of my sig, but thanks for being insulting about it

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  Fearum

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5/30/12 5:48:47 PM#27

Well sorry their not making this game for you.

What game, if any, are you looking forward too?  

I can't stand tera and can't make myself play it anymore after only 4 days lol what a waste of $25. The combat is horrible and hope that no mmo's try to go this route. I played a berserker and it is sooo repetative that I almost fell asleep while grinding out the quests that have the worst voice inserts and no story line ever. The game is so kiddish I feel embarrased playing it, its like me watching some kids cartoon's when I have 0 kids. Can't stand anime style games and what the hell is with HUGE weapons that hang half in the ground while your running around? This my opinion of the game and will not be trolling Tera threads on purpose because I couldn't care less about the game.

Edit: to get back on subject.

But back to the topic, questing sounds good and they are rewarding group play with the finese thing they were talking about in the combat interviews. Every interview sounds better and better lets see how they implement it into the game.

 

  Vannor

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5/30/12 5:49:19 PM#28

No one is discussing the point of this thread and just jumping on the OP. The point here is that the devs working on TESO either have a very limited opinion of what constitutes as a public dungeon (which probably goes against the opinion of the majority of players, imo) or that they don't have a broad range of experience with recent MMOs.

Could this be good or bad for TESO? It's worth discussing. Perhaps this means that we will see the best and most original public dungeons ever made or maybe we'll get something similar to old school EQ1 (which some people might think is great). It could also mean we'll just end up with something we have in other games already.

  Fearum

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5/30/12 6:09:42 PM#29

That article is pretty weak to say the least. Its about one line the dude said lol. Keep trying man.

  jtcgs

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5/30/12 6:22:33 PM#30
Originally posted by KingGator

The hate for this game is almost laughable. Is it because it isn't going to have fps combat? It isn't going to ruin the bethesda games, it isn't even connected to them beyond lore. Take the game as it comes, it may actually be interesting, the hateful hysterics re almost any new title would be funny if it weren't such a damning indication of what a whiney society we've become.

 The love for this game is almost laughable. Is it because its a new MMO? Is it because of the NAME they are whoring? The love hysterics to combat criticism with almost any new title would be funny if it weren't such a damning indication of what a whiney society we've become.

Its true, complaints about criticism is a sure sign of being whiney to the extreme.

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  KingGator

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5/30/12 10:07:58 PM#31
Originally posted by jtcgs
Originally posted by KingGator

The hate for this game is almost laughable. Is it because it isn't going to have fps combat? It isn't going to ruin the bethesda games, it isn't even connected to them beyond lore. Take the game as it comes, it may actually be interesting, the hateful hysterics re almost any new title would be funny if it weren't such a damning indication of what a whiney society we've become.

 The love for this game is almost laughable. Is it because its a new MMO? Is it because of the NAME they are whoring? The love hysterics to combat criticism with almost any new title would be funny if it weren't such a damning indication of what a whiney society we've become.

Its true, complaints about criticism is a sure sign of being whiney to the extreme.

How many threads are actively whining and hoping for failure, I am not complaining about the criticism, I am just laughing at the lynch mob mentality of the whiners because the game isn't going to do what YOU want it do or be what you want it to be. I have no skin in this fight as I am not an elder scrolls fan and don't really want to play this game, but I can't look at the front page without seeing a new thread exactly like this one. So nice try with ye ole "i know you are but what am I" defense. My argument stands there will be another 3 hate threads about this game tomorrow. It is unreasonable hate because some people are pouting due to the devs not making the game the way they want it. You never know, they might make a good game, it might suck, but what this is really about is you and the other whiners not getting your way.

  Lucioon

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5/31/12 8:19:10 AM#32
Originally posted by KingGator
Originally posted by jtcgs
Originally posted by KingGator

The hate for this game is almost laughable. Is it because it isn't going to have fps combat? It isn't going to ruin the bethesda games, it isn't even connected to them beyond lore. Take the game as it comes, it may actually be interesting, the hateful hysterics re almost any new title would be funny if it weren't such a damning indication of what a whiney society we've become.

 The love for this game is almost laughable. Is it because its a new MMO? Is it because of the NAME they are whoring? The love hysterics to combat criticism with almost any new title would be funny if it weren't such a damning indication of what a whiney society we've become.

Its true, complaints about criticism is a sure sign of being whiney to the extreme.

How many threads are actively whining and hoping for failure, I am not complaining about the criticism, I am just laughing at the lynch mob mentality of the whiners because the game isn't going to do what YOU want it do or be what you want it to be. I have no skin in this fight as I am not an elder scrolls fan and don't really want to play this game, but I can't look at the front page without seeing a new thread exactly like this one. So nice try with ye ole "i know you are but what am I" defense. My argument stands there will be another 3 hate threads about this game tomorrow. It is unreasonable hate because some people are pouting due to the devs not making the game the way they want it. You never know, they might make a good game, it might suck, but what this is really about is you and the other whiners not getting your way.

I can't speak for others, but for myself, I am disappointed on TESO not because its not what I want TESO to become. Rather, its because, The Elder Scrolls already established itself with an identity through all its iterations throught out the years, and that identity was taken out of the TESO.

What TESO is doing is stripping TES's identity away. I am not hating on it because I wanted to get on the bandwagon, instead I am just extremely disappointed on how anyone would read any news about TESO and still think that its still The Elder Scrolls.

I was never forced into an Class in TES, I can build into any playstyle I want, I can be an Mage Thief, Warrior Archer, Jack of all trades, master assassin, Murderer, or someone that loves to steal cloth off unsuspecting NPC, or master acrobat.

I was also never forced into factions, I can become Guild master of Thief's guild, in skyrim I became the Guild master of the Brotherhood of assassins, I am also the choosen one for the Warrior's guild. My race changed the dialogues of the NPC's reactions to me, but it never stops me from doing what I wanted to do.

The Daedric Gods doesn't control me, I solve their riddles, I collected their weapons.

 

 

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  SEANMCAD

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5/31/12 1:00:02 PM#33

ok great! yet another feature they are saying hasnt existed but yet darkfall has.

So far darkfall has every single feature they say isnt possible, isnt reasonable, we dont want, doesnt currently exist or in general terms...NO. exists in Darkfall

Does you MMO have rainbow sprinkles?

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OP  5/31/12 1:30:19 PM#34
Originally posted by SEANMCAD

ok great! yet another feature they are saying hasnt existed but yet darkfall has.

So far darkfall has every single feature they say isnt possible, isnt reasonable, we dont want, doesnt currently exist or in general terms...NO. exists in Darkfall

In every article about TESO they talk alot about what they CANT do.

 

In the latest one, the Art Director talks about the limitations and concessions they have to make

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/05/31/elder-scrolls-online-art-director-talks-mmo-limitations-and-styl/

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  RoyalPhunk

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5/31/12 1:34:24 PM#35

This is the worst receieved MMO (or rather SPO) I have ever seen. There are obviously some fanbois in a tizzie about it.

/popcorn

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5/31/12 5:55:08 PM#36
Originally posted by PyrateLV
Originally posted by SEANMCAD

ok great! yet another feature they are saying hasnt existed but yet darkfall has.

So far darkfall has every single feature they say isnt possible, isnt reasonable, we dont want, doesnt currently exist or in general terms...NO. exists in Darkfall

In every article about TESO they talk alot about what they CANT do.

 

In the latest one, the Art Director talks about the limitations and concessions they have to make

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/05/31/elder-scrolls-online-art-director-talks-mmo-limitations-and-styl/

Darkfall again! granted not photorealism but:

200 players combating on the screen at once? check

with great FPS combat? check

with no zones? check

 

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6/01/12 12:03:03 AM#37
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  KhinRunite

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6/01/12 12:03:52 AM#38
Originally posted by PyrateLV
Originally posted by SEANMCAD

ok great! yet another feature they are saying hasnt existed but yet darkfall has.

So far darkfall has every single feature they say isnt possible, isnt reasonable, we dont want, doesnt currently exist or in general terms...NO. exists in Darkfall

In every article about TESO they talk alot about what they CANT do.

 

In the latest one, the Art Director talks about the limitations and concessions they have to make

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/05/31/elder-scrolls-online-art-director-talks-mmo-limitations-and-styl/

Methinks its a matter of them (or Zenimax) unwilling to extend development time to make the features work, rather than a matter of them actually lacking the skill to implement them. It could also be in the context of the engine they are using (as in they CAN'T do these things with their engine).

I agree it's annoying. For every feature they claim they can't implement I look at other MMOs that have them.

Anyway let's wait and see the final package. I haven't completely dropped my interest in this game.

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6/01/12 11:55:03 AM#39
Originally posted by KhinRunite
Originally posted by PyrateLV
Originally posted by SEANMCAD

ok great! yet another feature they are saying hasnt existed but yet darkfall has.

So far darkfall has every single feature they say isnt possible, isnt reasonable, we dont want, doesnt currently exist or in general terms...NO. exists in Darkfall

In every article about TESO they talk alot about what they CANT do.

 

In the latest one, the Art Director talks about the limitations and concessions they have to make

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/05/31/elder-scrolls-online-art-director-talks-mmo-limitations-and-styl/

Methinks its a matter of them (or Zenimax) unwilling to extend development time to make the features work, rather than a matter of them actually lacking the skill to implement them. It could also be in the context of the engine they are using (as in they CAN'T do these things with their engine).

I agree it's annoying. For every feature they claim they can't implement I look at other MMOs that have them.

Anyway let's wait and see the final package. I haven't completely dropped my interest in this game.

regardless of the real reason obfuscating the truth trumps all. Well that and the fact that if I want said features I will simply play Darkfall again which has all of them.

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  PyrateLV

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OP  6/01/12 12:01:37 PM#40
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by KhinRunite
Originally posted by PyrateLV
Originally posted by SEANMCAD

ok great! yet another feature they are saying hasnt existed but yet darkfall has.

So far darkfall has every single feature they say isnt possible, isnt reasonable, we dont want, doesnt currently exist or in general terms...NO. exists in Darkfall

In every article about TESO they talk alot about what they CANT do.

 

In the latest one, the Art Director talks about the limitations and concessions they have to make

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/05/31/elder-scrolls-online-art-director-talks-mmo-limitations-and-styl/

Methinks its a matter of them (or Zenimax) unwilling to extend development time to make the features work, rather than a matter of them actually lacking the skill to implement them. It could also be in the context of the engine they are using (as in they CAN'T do these things with their engine).

I agree it's annoying. For every feature they claim they can't implement I look at other MMOs that have them.

Anyway let's wait and see the final package. I haven't completely dropped my interest in this game.

regardless of the real reason obfuscating the truth trumps all. Well that and the fact that if I want said features I will simply play Darkfall again which has all of them.

You could say the same about Mortal Online. It has all the features of TES.

Except for the fact its even a buggier POS than Darkfall

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