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  Greyhooff

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6/18/12 12:32:50 PM#341
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  Rydeson

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6/18/12 1:27:59 PM#342

yeah.. I would have to revise my earlier statement a bit now that I see the transfer numbers and list..  500k was too optomistic.. It looks to be around the 300k concurrent subs.. Once the free subs run out, like mine does tomorrow.. TOR will be down from 1.3 million to just 300,000..  OUCH..  Doesn't matter what galaxy you're from that's gotta hurt..

  MadDemon64

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Why is it that fantasy trolls are vulnerable to fire, but internet trolls thrive on flame wars?

6/18/12 1:35:40 PM#343
Originally posted by Rydeson

yeah.. I would have to revise my earlier statement a bit now that I see the transfer numbers and list..  500k was too optomistic.. It looks to be around the 300k concurrent subs.. Once the free subs run out, like mine does tomorrow.. TOR will be down from 1.3 million to just 300,000..  OUCH..  Doesn't matter what galaxy you're from that's gotta hurt..

1.  Where did you get those numbers?  How do you know for a fact that that there are one million free subs that run out tomorrow that will not be renewed?  Where is your proof?

2.  Just wait for the game to go free to play.  That should increase the numbers significantly (whether or not it will stay that way is unknown though).

Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  ktanner3

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6/18/12 1:45:44 PM#344
Originally posted by mikahr
Originally posted by daltanious

I hope swtor stays for long. It is the best and most complete game ever have played. Never understood all this hathred toward it, even worse then wow. I never hated any game, but here it is exactly this. People happy some game could go down. I lost interest in TR in week, aprox same for others .... but hated none. Sad.

Unfortunately everyone who isnt unconditionally praising the game is labeled "hater".

Just like everyone who isn't unconditionally bashing the game are labeled "fanboy." Welcome to the great hyperbole that is the internet.

 

 

Currently Playing: Star Wars The Old Republic

  User Deleted
6/18/12 2:09:26 PM#345

I play TOR daily it's fun for me. I also knew very early on you spend 200 miliion on a MMO it needs to launch with everything they are now adding but thought players would forgive them for if they added it later.

The game is ok but it lacks anything that makes it feel starwarsy. it playes more like Wow with a starwars story added to certain parts of the game.

 

1. It lacks a real space game.

2. It lacks any type of ability for bounty hunters to hunt players on both sides.

3. it lacks a neutral class or faction and is very limited on were you can go and what you can do on the planets.

4. it reduces any chance you might encounter a sith or jedi. it seprates factions from each other even creating entire zones were you never see the other side but in NPC form.

5. it is very limited in the sense you can't explore the planets freely. you simply run into a exhaustion zone and you have to turn back.

6. smugglers can't smuggle spice or any type of illegal cargo.

7. crafting is merly for leveling and equiping companions. it never is worth the time due to the people wanting vendor gear and even quest rewards are far superior to crafted gear. 

8.They have no real clear plan for development. they are vague on purpose and it seems we hear leaks every week or so about it going free to play fully.

9. it's not a virtual world at all. you truly can't go anywhere or do anything you want to have fun. it's very tighlty controlled and forces you to ride a rail of progression that leads you to a dead end grind for vendor gear or a hard mode dungeon that has groups run by vent cussing ex-miltitary types who are over geared and hate life.

 

10. The devs are the most arrgogant in-human bunch of sawed off asshats I ever encountered playing MMO's since inception. the only ones that make these guys seems worse is the old SWG devs.

11. Legacy is a massive grind for unlocks on things we never really asled for. it a major sink to extend the life of the game by grinding alts for new content and functionality which by rights should be unlocked due to leagcy level instead of credits.

 

I have 32 more to add but you get the idea. It needs to be something it will never be and thats sucks becuase kotor had such an amazing story and great lore tied to it.

I will keep playing due to the fact it still has lightsabers commnados and sometimes it does feel like starwars really it does. i'm not holding out hope for any other MMo because the bottom line for me is the ride is almsot over.

 

it will be time to retire from trying to have any fun in these thing's at some point. I have a life to live and enjoy. and this hobby is causing me mental anguish much more then the old days were we had hope for a true free virtual world that allows to to feel like we are part of that world.

 

 

  Kells

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6/18/12 4:56:20 PM#346

@JeremyJodes

Your points about SWTOR seem to have been picked right out of my brain (but written better).  I already knew, from previews before the game went live, that it was "KOTOR 3" rather than SWG2 (or would that be SWG4, haha). Therefore, it was the ultimate guided themepark. Oddly, I felt I had a bit more freedom in KOTOR even though SWTOR's play areas are much larger. 

Interestingly, Star Trek Online had a better space-based game but terrible ground game. Perhaps the two Sci-Fi games could merge (just kidding). Too bad the space-based component of SWTOR didn't at least attempt to create a true flight simulator.

Crafting didn't have much purpose (but that is true in a lot of mmos these days). I just did biochem to qualify for the re-usuable heals and stims.

The only open world PvP (on PvE server) was Illum and it was not really operational. Arena type PvP does not interest me in an mmo, I get my Arena fix with Team Fortress Classic and TF2.

Unlike a lot of folks, I am not a social gamer and am perfectly happy to play solo in an mmo setting. Therefore, I don't regret buying and playing SWTOR as it was a pretty solid single-player experience. However, after playing 4 alts and not really enjoying the class quests compared to my main (Jedi Knight), I saw that it was time to leave. I totally agree, grinding alts for the measly legacy rewards was not satisfying.

Anyway, good job, Jeremy.

  User Deleted
6/18/12 7:43:58 PM#347
Originally posted by GreenHell
Originally posted by Moaky07
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If you were to judge by these forums WoW would be the most unpopular MMORPG ever created. SWG would be the most popular sandbox game ever with a huge thriving population that only got shut down because of ToR and GW2 would be developed by Jesus Christ himself.

Came for your reply, stayed for your Captain Caveman avatar.

  DaezAster

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6/18/12 8:57:20 PM#348

 

  DaezAster

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6/18/12 8:59:49 PM#349
Originally posted by Gravarg

I have to laugh everytime I see posts like this.  It's all speculation.  Noone knows anything except Bioware and EA.  The MMO hate club has gotten so big from people who aren't MMO players.  They want to play a game that isn't a MMO, but they think the next big MMO will be it.  It won't be anything different because a MMO will always be an MMO...If you don't like the current formula for MMO that's been around since WoW launched, I hate to tell you, go play something else.  It's not going to change much from a quest driven storyline with side quests...because, guess what,  that's what an MMO is, and always has been.  If you want a game that doesn't shove you to different areas around the world at certain levels, go play something else...THAT'S WHAT AN MMO IS!

 

Edit: I don't know how many times I have to say this, but here I go again (I should really copy and paste this in notepad so I don't have to type it every time lol).  MMOs are and always will be a niche part of the gaming community.  Developers want to make it mainstream, and I can understand that, it's big money.  MMO players are a unique and true MMO players are a very small part of the gaming community.  If sitting at your computer for an hour to chop down a tree doesn't sound fun to you, then go play something else.  That's what an MMO is.   There is no instant gratification, MMOs are all about delayed gratification.  The promise of something better the next level or two.  Then another promise of something even better a couple levels later...That's what MMOs are and always will be...If you don't like it, leave, you aren't a MMO player.

With that thinking we should all be playing pong because thats what a video game is and all it can ever be....

  SumterSide

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6/18/12 9:32:32 PM#350
Originally posted by hikaru77

People here on MMORPG.com should make their own company they really know a lot of ¨the gaming business¨. We are talking about EA and BW, is not trion or some independent dev company, is EA, BW and LA do you really believe that they need the 200mill or so of swtor dev in the 1st 6 months of the game?. Believe me they wont find the bakruptcy for only $200 mill, they already have the resources and money to make an investment of $200 MIll in a game like swtor and wait 1,2 or 3 years to get back all their money and earnings, and they still have enough resourcers to keep making new content pretty fast. You people are just amazing.

Don't know if you've been keeping up wtih recent fanancial and stock reports, but EA REALLY isn't that good at making money..

They're good at setting expections too high and firing people, but as far as getting results, not so much.

  Atlan99

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6/19/12 5:52:17 AM#351
Originally posted by SumterSide
 

Don't know if you've been keeping up wtih recent fanancial and stock reports, but EA REALLY isn't that good at making money..

They're good at setting expections too high and firing people, but as far as getting results, not so much.

http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/ERTS/1927586551x0x566941/fa80cd09-3585-4a6d-8d38-c2a1ea531d08/Q4FY12_EarningsSlides_FINAL_PDF.pdf

You couldn't be further from the truth. Whoever is in charge of EA gets it now. They have restructured and continue to restructure. Though layoffs may be bad for the employees, they are good overall for EA. They continue to cut costs and increase there profit margin.

EA are the healthiest they have been in years financially.

  MrTuggles

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6/19/12 6:12:14 AM#352
Originally posted by Kakkzooka

I'm just wondering when the major review sites will come out of the woodwork and actually write honest articles about how shitty the game really is and how poorly it's performed, instead of perpetually shoveling bullshit.

 

Probably when the bribe money runs out. That's my best guess.

I also found it pretty strange that no sites told of how underwhelming this game actually was. I can see where a lot of people were excited for the first person story driven game play with cinematics and voiceovers in the beginning, but that wore off pretty quickly and subpar game play oozed out afterwards.

 

The most amusing part about this whole debacle is that it could have been avoided if BW hadn't built such a large hype machine. Calling your game the "most innovative game to ever be created" got a lot of people's expectations too high. When BW didn't deliver ANYTHING that was all that innovative people got pissed. When people realized this is the same game play they have been dealing with for years they jumped ship. Yes you can say that cinematics and voiceovers are innovative for an MMO, but we have had them in single player RPGs for some time now so it seemed like nothing new was done.

 

  smh_alot

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6/19/12 6:43:42 AM#353
Originally posted by MrTuggles
The most amusing part about this whole debacle is that it could have been avoided if BW hadn't built such a large hype machine. Calling your game the "most innovative game to ever be created" got a lot of people's expectations too high. When BW didn't deliver ANYTHING that was all that innovative people got pissed. When people realized this is the same game play they have been dealing with for years they jumped ship. Yes you can say that cinematics and voiceovers are innovative for an MMO, but we have had them in single player RPGs for some time now so it seemed like nothing new was done.

 

 

? I don't think that they have EVER stated that they have the 'most innovative game ever', I doubt that that was what they said, on the contrary.
  NasherUK

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6/19/12 8:27:21 AM#354

They still have quite a lot of players and more have come back since the transfers, some servers are completely rammed during peak hours and even have queues.  I moved to a "standard" population server and it gets to over 250 on the fleet.  Obviously only a percentage is going to be online at any one time so your not going to have enough servers to hold a million people.

SWTOR is still doing a lot better than other recently released MMOs though.  Secret world is probably going to flop due to poor gameplay/combat and well...Funcom games always flop.  Tera turned out to be dud as well.  The only MMO which is probably going to be a huge breakthrough (only one in years really) is Planetside 2.

  kaguhoO

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6/19/12 12:30:53 PM#355
Originally posted by smh_alot
Originally posted by MrTuggles
The most amusing part about this whole debacle is that it could have been avoided if BW hadn't built such a large hype machine. Calling your game the "most innovative game to ever be created" got a lot of people's expectations too high. When BW didn't deliver ANYTHING that was all that innovative people got pissed. When people realized this is the same game play they have been dealing with for years they jumped ship. Yes you can say that cinematics and voiceovers are innovative for an MMO, but we have had them in single player RPGs for some time now so it seemed like nothing new was done.

 

 

 

? I don't think that they have EVER stated that they have the 'most innovative game ever', I doubt that that was what they said, on the contrary.

they never did...that guy is just a hater 

  kaguhoO

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6/19/12 12:32:38 PM#356
Originally posted by NasherUK

  The only MMO which is probably going to be a huge breakthrough (only one in years really) is Planetside 2.

Roger captain obvious

  Pongo_

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6/19/12 12:41:16 PM#357
Originally posted by kaguhoO
Originally posted by smh_alot
Originally posted by MrTuggles
The most amusing part about this whole debacle is that it could have been avoided if BW hadn't built such a large hype machine. Calling your game the "most innovative game to ever be created" got a lot of people's expectations too high. When BW didn't deliver ANYTHING that was all that innovative people got pissed. When people realized this is the same game play they have been dealing with for years they jumped ship. Yes you can say that cinematics and voiceovers are innovative for an MMO, but we have had them in single player RPGs for some time now so it seemed like nothing new was done.

 

 

 

? I don't think that they have EVER stated that they have the 'most innovative game ever', I doubt that that was what they said, on the contrary.

they never did...that guy is just a hater 

 actually james ohlen said,

"So, I don't know, it's just the way it is, but I don't see us as not being innovative. We're actually a lot more innovative within the MMO space than comparable games in other spaces like the first-person genre, the action genre - games like that."

while not the most innovative, he shure claimed they were innovative.

the article is here

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/star-wars-the-old-republic-more-innovative-than-other-genres-says-bioware/

  SumterSide

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6/19/12 3:34:10 PM#358
Originally posted by Atlan99
Originally posted by SumterSide
 

Don't know if you've been keeping up wtih recent fanancial and stock reports, but EA REALLY isn't that good at making money..

They're good at setting expections too high and firing people, but as far as getting results, not so much.

http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/ERTS/1927586551x0x566941/fa80cd09-3585-4a6d-8d38-c2a1ea531d08/Q4FY12_EarningsSlides_FINAL_PDF.pdf

You couldn't be further from the truth. Whoever is in charge of EA gets it now. They have restructured and continue to restructure. Though layoffs may be bad for the employees, they are good overall for EA. They continue to cut costs and increase there profit margin.

EA are the healthiest they have been in years financially.

Uh. No. That's not how it works.

Eventually, when a company loses so much money, the only way they can go is up (case in point; THQ). Last quarter, they missed the financial predictions, coming short of what investors thought they would be making.

Origin has 12 million downloads, 11.9 of which are reported to be manditory because EA forces you to download it.

SWTOR subs missed the mark.

And now Dead Space 3 needs to sell 5 MILLION copies in order to justify it's cost.

http://www.neoseeker.com/news/19547-origins-first-year-a-huge-success-says-ea/

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/EA-Says-Dead-Space-3-Has-Sell-5-Million-Survive-43629.html

 

And that's just EA missing the mark FINANCIALLY. Don't get me fucking started on them missing the mark with gamers.

EA is out of touch with gamers, investors and consumers in general. They have NO idea what people want. EA is a child with a giant credit card

  Atlan99

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Joined: 8/07/08
Posts: 1355

6/19/12 5:28:16 PM#359
Originally posted by SumterSide
 

Uh. No. That's not how it works.

Eventually, when a company loses so much money, the only way they can go is up (case in point; THQ). Last quarter, they missed the financial predictions, coming short of what investors thought they would be making.

Origin has 12 million downloads, 11.9 of which are reported to be manditory because EA forces you to download it.

SWTOR subs missed the mark.

And now Dead Space 3 needs to sell 5 MILLION copies in order to justify it's cost.

http://www.neoseeker.com/news/19547-origins-first-year-a-huge-success-says-ea/

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/EA-Says-Dead-Space-3-Has-Sell-5-Million-Survive-43629.html

 

And that's just EA missing the mark FINANCIALLY. Don't get me fucking started on them missing the mark with gamers.

EA is out of touch with gamers, investors and consumers in general. They have NO idea what people want. EA is a child with a giant credit card

Did you check out the link?

There revenue has been steadily increasing. They have cut costs and finally started to push digital.

I don't think  you truly grasp how big EA is. You point at one title and say fail. You don't understand EA can have multiple failures and still make lots of money. They have so many streams of income coming in.

  Jonoku

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Joined: 6/08/12
Posts: 663

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6/19/12 5:39:05 PM#360
Originally posted by Atlan99
Originally posted by SumterSide
 

Uh. No. That's not how it works.

Eventually, when a company loses so much money, the only way they can go is up (case in point; THQ). Last quarter, they missed the financial predictions, coming short of what investors thought they would be making.

Origin has 12 million downloads, 11.9 of which are reported to be manditory because EA forces you to download it.

SWTOR subs missed the mark.

And now Dead Space 3 needs to sell 5 MILLION copies in order to justify it's cost.

http://www.neoseeker.com/news/19547-origins-first-year-a-huge-success-says-ea/

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/EA-Says-Dead-Space-3-Has-Sell-5-Million-Survive-43629.html

 

And that's just EA missing the mark FINANCIALLY. Don't get me fucking started on them missing the mark with gamers.

EA is out of touch with gamers, investors and consumers in general. They have NO idea what people want. EA is a child with a giant credit card

Did you check out the link?

There revenue has been steadily increasing. They have cut costs and finally started to push digital.

I don't think  you truly grasp how big EA is. You point at one title and say fail. You don't understand EA can have multiple failures and still make lots of money. They have so many streams of income coming in.

EA may have their positive effects but the gamers aren't satisfied. My point of view, I don't give a shit what EA makes in $$, 10 cents a day 600 mil a year idc. they are ruining swtor. Just like EA doesn't give a shit how the game ends up, they just want profit/cash, I don't give a shit of their benefits either. EA's point of view= money. Our point of view is good entertainment, there is a difference. You don't get it. Money wise they are doing good but they fail specifically for ruining swtor. Other games are a different story.

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