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  heartless

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5/28/12 11:09:53 PM#101
Originally posted by Brenelael
Originally posted by Netspook
Originally posted by Comaf

Matt Firor
 

 

For all you Dark Age of Camelot fans (including myself), this name should ring a bell.  The very fact that the man who helped developed the first few years of Dark Age of Camelot, Matt Firor, is here as lead producer on this project -  just floors me.  I never could have imagined that this would come to pass.

 

Many of us in the daoc community over the years have even joked about how amazing it would be to see DAoC with Elder Scrolls concepts and graphics.  And lo and behold, here we are.

 

I can only imagine the stacks of folks who work for other mmorpg titles who are shaking in their boots right now.  Remember, true believers, Dark Age of Camelot was such a threat to the industry (because of how it was conceptualized), that it had to be bought and buried by Electronic Arts.  There was such a worry that Dark Age gamers would leave Warhammer (if there was even so much as an ounce of improvement on the old venerable title), that even when Mythic announced that Dark Age of Camelot would have  a new server (Origin), even THAT got shut down.  There was never any mention later on and since, as to why a server that a majority of the player base voted for, was not put into effect.  Disgusting, really. 

 

By 2009, shortly after the EA buyout of Mythic, a number of Mythic staff were canned.  Warhammer heralded in, with its investors thinking that with Dark Age swept under a rug, there would be plenty of fans shifting to this title.  That of course, happened for just long enough for the DAoC'ers to see that Warhammer was not up to DAoC expectations. 

 

WIth ESO, we will finally get what all of us Dark Age gamers knew was possible all along: a graphically detailed, immersive world, set in Bethesda's Elder Scrolls lore, with the same level of intelligence that formed the varying classes and races of the 3 faction ground breaker that was Dark Age.

 

For folks who are bashing this title (boggles me), why not support the fact that so few developers have the vision and intelligence to go three faction with unique (and here's the key, this isn't just server v server v server pvp), there are unique classes and races in EACH faction.  This alone is never done. 

 

The entire problem with the industry has been its slip into mediocrity.  Why play Rift, when I can play WoW?  Why play GW2 when I can play WoW?  Why play any "new" release, when I can play an mmorpg that offers the same + more and has a far better population? 

 

Now I can say, why play WoW, if we have Elder Scrolls Online.   At last.

 

This means nothing at all. Check up on ie Richard Garriott and Brad McQuaid.

No matter how great a dev was in the past, that may not mean anything at all for their next projects. I suggest you hype the game for what the game may offer, not for who's behind it.

Not to mention that Dark Age of Camelot was not as popular as he remembers it. Like I said before Elder Scrolls fans want an Elder Scrolls like game. DAoC while a great game for it's time is the polar opposite of everything that makes a TES game what it is at it's core. Which fan group should they be looking to attract? The barely 250 thousand DAoC fans or the well over 10 million fans that bought TES V: Skyrim? To me this should be a no brainer.

 

Edit: Oh and on a side note... After the Devs at Zenimax Online have been reading threads like this one for a couple of weeks now on their own forum and others I can picture Todd Howard with a big ass grin on his face telling them, "I tried to tell you but you just wouldn't listen"... LOL

 

Bren

I just don't understand why would any sane person take a successful gaming IP like TES and throw out everything that made the IP what it is?

Skyrim has sold over 10 million copies. All they had to do was take Skyrim and make it an MMO, with a few changes, and *boom* GOTY. But for some unexplained reason they decided to go with the mediocre MMO approach. It obviously worked for SWTOR, so I guess it should work for TESO, right?

/sarcasm

I still hope that TESO is a late April fools joke.

  Dhraal

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5/29/12 2:03:52 AM#102
Originally posted by heartless
 

I just don't understand why would any sane person take a successful gaming IP like TES and throw out everything that made the IP what it is?

... But for some unexplained reason they decided to go with the mediocre MMO approach... 

This is a good summary of the whole issues with TESO. I was excited when I read the anouncement, and then I was so disappointed when I read the first description of the game. 

  zaylin

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Posts: 793

5/30/12 12:48:19 PM#103

Ya if AoC,Tera,and other games can do it so could TES. But i think they are worried about twitch combat combined with PvP..would be one of my guesses to that. Im holding off my opinion (for the most part) til I see actual game play.

  Smokeysong

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Joined: 9/11/03
Posts: 234

5/30/12 10:27:57 PM#104

As soon as you start thinking in terms of "MMOG mechanics", you begin to step away from what makes Elder Scrolls the game it is.

 

By that I mean Skyrim isn't about "mechanics"; it isn't about a contrived PvP system. Having a sort of natural segue into a 3-faction PvP won't help what PvP in MMOGs boils down to more than any other genre, class mechanics and balance. So much in-your-face DPS and HPS numbers, CC, buffing and debuffing, tanking-healing-DPS, all that kind of MMOG language isn't part of the feel of Skyrim.

 

I'm interested to see what's going to happen, but I think the difficulties are pretty extreme, and the developers are going to have to show a commitment to quality of story and universe that just doesn't exist in any MMOG I know of today.

Have played: Everquest, Asheron's Call, Horizons, Everquest2, World of Warcraft, Lord of the Rings Online, Warhammer, Age of Conan, Darkfall

  heartless

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5/31/12 1:42:22 AM#105
Originally posted by Smokeysong

As soon as you start thinking in terms of "MMOG mechanics", you begin to step away from what makes Elder Scrolls the game it is.

 

By that I mean Skyrim isn't about "mechanics"; it isn't about a contrived PvP system. Having a sort of natural segue into a 3-faction PvP won't help what PvP in MMOGs boils down to more than any other genre, class mechanics and balance. So much in-your-face DPS and HPS numbers, CC, buffing and debuffing, tanking-healing-DPS, all that kind of MMOG language isn't part of the feel of Skyrim.

 

I'm interested to see what's going to happen, but I think the difficulties are pretty extreme, and the developers are going to have to show a commitment to quality of story and universe that just doesn't exist in any MMOG I know of today.

You do know that there is no rule which states that MMOs must have this PvP combat system like the one you described, right?

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