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General Discussion  » So diablo 3 has no competition?

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  nariusseldon

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5/27/12 1:01:27 AM#61
Originally posted by Bobbie203

So there is no stopping blizzard's diablo 3 from making so much money? NO competion at all?

 

its sad really, i heard negative reviews but wtf is going on why is blizzard swimming in an ocean of money for diablo 3.

there is no stopping blizzard from taking over the world?

Because they make good fun games. Why is it sad? I have great fun playing D3 and it deserves my $60.

If you don't like it, don't play it. Its huge success should not concern you.

  sunshadow21

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5/27/12 1:14:11 AM#62
Originally posted by MurlockDance

Just because TL2 is retailing at 18€ does not make the game a joke or a lesser game than D3. In fact if anything, all of the beta impressions of TL2 have been glowing or at least positive, whereas they really weren't for D3.

The price for TL2 is most certainly why it will do so well. It may not have the precise level of polish that Diablo 3 does, but at one third of the price, people's expectations are going to be far more grounded. The biggest thing I'm seeing with D3 is that while a lot of people think it's worth the price, there is also a lot of "it's good, but not 60 dollars good." In the end, the presence of evenly mildly negative PR is going to hurt Blizzard as previously they have not experienced much of even mild disappointment as a result of a new game release.

  zellmer

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5/27/12 3:35:01 PM#63

I don't know, but sites just slap on a very high rating to D3 "just because" when it has SO VERY MANY problems, gets old fast, and is a mess of hacks, exploits, a horrendous plot, lackluster gameplay, server problems, and general incompetence it all gets so annoying..

Looking like Diablo 3's review here on MMORPG will be nothing but fluff also..

 

Torchlight 2 looks to be yet another "Blink and you're done" like the first game though, so it's hard to see any longevity from it.

Path of exile also has like no content and can be rushed through so absurdly fast it will also reach a "Why even bother..?" with nothing to keep you coming back to it when it's trying to be cash shop driven also..

Guess if you stop and think about everything, it IS pretty depressing..

 

  firegamer31

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5/27/12 3:36:27 PM#64

why would d3 need competition its not a fkin mmo its a single player game its competition would be skyrim

  jpnole

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5/27/12 9:15:10 PM#65
Originally posted by Gabby-air

Plenty of other ARPG's coming out actually, ie Torchlight 2 and Path of exile. 

Well Torchlight is a good arpg game but it remains to be seen if TL2 can run with D3. Based on my D3 experience I highly doubt TL2 will compete, but for the sake of competition I hope I am wrong. Path of Exile just plain blows so you can toss that one out. So basically to answer the OPs question: No, D3 has no competition. In fact, it took D3 to dethrone D2.

  brad31781

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5/27/12 9:37:54 PM#66
Originally posted by jpnole
Originally posted by Gabby-air

Plenty of other ARPG's coming out actually, ie Torchlight 2 and Path of exile. 

Well Torchlight is a good arpg game but it remains to be seen if TL2 can run with D3. Based on my D3 experience I highly doubt TL2 will compete, but for the sake of competition I hope I am wrong. Path of Exile just plain blows so you can toss that one out. So basically to answer the OPs question: No, D3 has no competition. In fact, it took D3 to dethrone D2.

PoE just blows huh? Care to explain what blows so much about it. I think it is a very good game, even better than D3. I have played D3 since it came out, hardcore and softcore and the game is just not very good. I lose my desire to log in as each day passes, I find it boring with the loot and the 'must have' skills, which we were told ALL skills would be viable. That is laughable.

I have been waiting on D3 since I heard it was in development. I played lots of D2 and loved most of my time in it. This game is just not on the same level - enjoyment wise. Sure it looks better, has flashy effects and improved on some design flaws in D2 but overall it is not what I expected. But this is the price to be paid with the Activision takeover, i.e. money hungry, and the loss of Blizzard North, which is now ArenaNet.

My problems with D3:

-Auction House always down. You get 10 auctions and sometimes they get stuck in limbo and you have to wait til they time out to post them again or new items. I've lost hundreds of thousands of gold because items value changed over those 48 hours I had to wait to get my item back to resell it.

-Loot sucks. Main Stat+Vit has to be on every gear or its mostly worthless, barring weapons. Who thought ~1% chance to freeze, fear etc was a good idea? All legendaries and sets are terrible compared to high end rares.

-Lack of randomization of maps. Each map pretty much is laid out the exact same way.

-Lack of testing = spot hotfixing. They have nerfed several skills and hampered some classes in the process. This also affects people who have spent hard earned gold to gear out for a spec then have blizzard nerf it into uselessness. This has also brought an influx of gear that should have otherwise not been obtained, which in turn has let others get further than they should be and now you have very high level gear that was supposed to be very hard to get.

-Lack of PvP support. There will be no ladders or rankings. They aren't even going to heavily balance the classes because they don't want it to become an e-Sport. Wouldn't this draw more attention if it was touted as an e-Sport? This comes off as a lazy ass dev team to me.

-Customer Support. Put in a ticket and wait over 50 hours for a response, and not even a custom response but one that is copy pasted. They didn't even read my ticket and gave me a blanket response to an issue close to my own. I then had to call them to get it taken care of and waited over 70 minutes on the phone.

-Lack of hotfix changes. They keep nerfing things and don't let us know exactly what was changed for hours or days until after they did it. Huge problem for hardcore characters and terrible community interaction.

-Lack of ways to progress on your own. This is probably my biggest problem with the game. If you were not to use the AH to buy new gear, especially weapons, this game would become impossible - barring the most epic luck ever. Each zone drops gear that is about 6-8 levels LOWER than the monsters you are killing. How am I supposed to get gear in Inferno Act I to progress into Act II?

-Difficulty. I love a hard game but there is a difference in hard and absurd frustration, which is what D3 is. I can kill shit on my wizard but I can't count how many mobs have charged me, or teleported on me or vortexed me in and instantly killed me. Blizzard knows this is a problem and I am not asking for an easy time, but there is literally no riggle room here. Even people with 1100 armor and 1k resists get 2-3 shot in Inferno Act 3/4.

 

Maybe one day it will be an enjoyable game, for me that time is not now. I now await PoE in open beta, since they won't be wiping those.

  Banquetto

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5/28/12 11:38:33 PM#67


Originally posted by bumuscheekus
I think Guantlet from 1985 gives it a pretty good run for its money. Same game basically minus the storyline. Coop bash bash bash.

And if I recall correctly, Gauntlet had a pretty innovative business model, too. You could feed in extra coins to replenish your health during the game, couldn't you? I remember thinking it must have been a crazy moneymaker given the number of coins I saw some people pouring into it.

  Adhesive33

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5/29/12 12:18:35 AM#68

Well, as already mentioned, there are quite a few worthy alternatives to D3, but it will be difficult for them to compete in terms of  sales, given the huge pre-existing fanbase of Diablo. 

That said, what does it matter if these other ARPGs match the sales of D3? Isn't it enough that they are fun to play?

Path of Exile, despite what some obviously uninformed fanboys claim, is of exceptionally high-quality and extremely fun. It has also made some great innovations to the genre; the flask system is simply the best iteration of health/mana post I've seen. The barter system is also extremely clever and alleviates many of the problems caused by a currency-based system. Add the amazing passive skill-tree, the equipable primary skill gems, and the customizable leagues...oh and world pvp tournaments, and there's plenty here that you can't get from D3. 

Torchlight II is also shaping up to be very good. I wasn't a huge fan of the first one, but it loks like they are pulling out all the stops this time around. Customizable characters, 8 player co-op, and mod support are things you're not going to find in any other ARPG. 

Lineage Eternal is also around the corner. Not sure too much about the details, but the videos I've seen look amazing, with great physics and environmental interaction. 

Point being, has there ever been a better time for ARPGs? I don't think so. 

  emperorwings

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5/29/12 1:19:57 AM#69

Told blizz to do a currency free system but nope they didn't.

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  TruthXHurts

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5/29/12 1:22:26 AM#70
Originally posted by Banquetto

 


Originally posted by bumuscheekus
I think Guantlet from 1985 gives it a pretty good run for its money. Same game basically minus the storyline. Coop bash bash bash.


And if I recall correctly, Gauntlet had a pretty innovative business model, too. You could feed in extra coins to replenish your health during the game, couldn't you? I remember thinking it must have been a crazy moneymaker given the number of coins I saw some people pouring into it.

 

I bet I put more than $100 into Gauntlet alone when I was a kid. DON'T SHOOT THE HEALTH!!!

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  DarkPony

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5/29/12 1:32:49 AM#71

The only problem is the competition not being out yet.

After playing the betas of PoE, TL2 and D3 I found I really prefered PoE. It's the only game of the three that managed to get me excited by a somewhat higher difficulty right from the start. It also is a fresh breath of air in character development compared to the other two by offering much more freedom and choice. It requires planning and thinking ahead before you commit choices and that's something which I really enjoy.

Also it has a less linear world than D3 and feels much more dark and foreboding. So I decided to keep my money in my pocket and skip on D3 for the time being.

 

  TheHavok

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5/29/12 1:44:00 AM#72

Just like people mentioned, there are other hack and slash games out there that offer competition to D3.  Notably Torchlight and Path of Exile. Additionally the neverwinter nights games were also hack and slash based. 

I will say that D3 is a very good game but people are getting burnt out once they hit Inferno because Inferno is insanely hard.  And to excel at inferno, you need to be geared.  To get geared, you need to either have a lot of gold or be extremely lucky.  To get gold you need to grind (or exploit certain game mechanics...)

They need to add pvp in to keep people hooked.  Talking with a lot of D2 and D1 players, people aren't use to hitting brick walls and its becoming very frustrating to them.

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