Originally posted by Rommie10-284

Originally posted by Leucent

Tera, one of the most generic, boring, lifeless games will grow over time, I think not. It will decline from here on out, IMO. There just nothing it does that will keep people subbed, and not try out the games coming out, or make people realize the games they left to go play it is better.

I can t remember a time, I played a game that took a big leap backwards in an MMO, as Tera.

Because I CAN take a big leap backwards is the reason I can't agree the game is a big leap backwards as an MMO.  The gameplay is a giant leap forward, and any current and future game that ignores it is a dangerous oversight for their success.

I don't think TERA can change the rest of the game in time to have a second wave of subscribers, but it's in less danger of a wholesale exodus than some other games out there.

If Guild Wars 2 could shoehorn more of a TERA-style combat gameplay into what they already have, they'd have an awesome game coming out, instead of just very good.  A future game will put all the puzzle pieces together and truly step up to the next-gen MMO everyone's waiting for.

I feel bad for any games in development that aren't post-WOW in features - they have to see the D0MED sign if they don't have the new gameplay innovations in place.  They'll have to scrap and rebuild their systems for any chance of success.

 

was curious about this statement because they did do that so not sure what you are getting at

Originally posted by Sybnal

If Tera would have been released at the same time as WoW it would have been huge. 

But there have been a slew of other games just like it over the last 7 years,  Tera has great combat but other than that, it is more vanilla WoW than WoW is right now.  There just isn't anything to it beyond the combat.  It will be compareable to Aion in the end I think, sub wise.

It's a shame, because honestly,  after playing Tera for a couple of weeks, I went back to TSW beta and the GW2 stress test and the combat in both games just felt so bland compared to the visceral feel of Tera.  Damn Asians have ruined me!

Ya quiet few of my friend and guildie have made that comparison too. But since the combat already killed all other mmorpgs for me I'm just going to hold out and see how it goes ^_^ I have school anyways to worry about so logging on 4hrs a day to run few dungeons is still pretty fun. and some GvG ever now and than =X

Originally posted by Sybnal

If Tera would have been released at the same time as WoW it would have been huge. 

But there have been a slew of other games just like it over the last 7 years,  Tera has great combat but other than that, it is more vanilla WoW than WoW is right now.  There just isn't anything to it beyond the combat.  It will be compareable to Aion in the end I think, sub wise.

It's a shame, because honestly,  after playing Tera for a couple of weeks, I went back to TSW beta and the GW2 stress test and the combat in both games just felt so bland compared to the visceral feel of Tera.  Damn Asians have ruined me!

   I dont think anyone would have the computer power to play Tera if it came out the same time as wow

This game, to me, feels like a F2P game with a sub.  Due to that, I dont' see it getting subs over time at all but rather losing them, until it is forced to either close or turn F2P.  

Originally posted by elocke

This game, to me, feels like a F2P game with a sub.  Due to that, I dont' see it getting subs over time at all but rather losing them, until it is forced to either close or turn F2P.  

sort of agree here after playing so many F2P games in the past.. theperfectworld games are actually pretty decent. But yea it does have that feel toward it when it comes to questing, crafting, skills, well pretty much everything aside from graphics 

Enmasse can save TERA but it's going to require A LOT of work.

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by elocke

This game, to me, feels like a F2P game with a sub.  Due to that, I dont' see it getting subs over time at all but rather losing them, until it is forced to either close or turn F2P.  

sort of agree here after playing so many F2P games in the past.. theperfectworld games are actually pretty decent. But yea it does have that feel toward it when it comes to questing, crafting, skills, well pretty much everything aside from graphics 

Exactly.  If anything, Perfect World and similar games have ten times more content and depth and still don't charge a monthly fee.  Granted, they have been around a LONG time, but still no fee, and that speaks volumes.

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Rommie10-284

If Guild Wars 2 could shoehorn more of a TERA-style combat gameplay into what they already have, they'd have an awesome game coming out, instead of just very good.  A future game will put all the puzzle pieces together and truly step up to the next-gen MMO everyone's waiting for.

was curious about this statement because they did do that so not sure what you are getting at

They've done some of it, I just wish they would free it up even more.  Jumping from Tera melee to GW2 melee felt handcuffed, and it would take a while to adjust.  Jumping from GW2 melee to Tera melee felt liberating, and I would be back in business in short order.

It's just the degree of freedom, really.  GW2 in isolation is more dynamic than the usual stand-and-swing games, that's for sure.  Tera is another rung above that, and just makes me wish ArenaNet could pull off the same thing.  GW2 has plenty of things I'd like to see in other games, but if they could take that full step forward in combat gameplay instead of the half-step, I'd be dangerously close to full-on fanboy gushing.

But really, to respond to the OP, it's all about how much new content and general "stuff" EM can put into the game, how fast, and how good it is.  Just like every other game, it's the management that counts, but TERA has a hook that will help it avoid the wholesale abandonment that's happened to other games if they do it right.  That's a better place to be than some other games out there right now *cough*TOR*cough* that are staring into the abyss...

EDIT: Oh, and I totally agree Tera will go F2P sooner than later, because every game is going down that road, like it or not.  Well, B2P really, but the same thing: no more subscriptions to play games.  EM will pull that out of the hat if a major Exodus does happen.

Originally posted by Rommie10-284

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Rommie10-284

If Guild Wars 2 could shoehorn more of a TERA-style combat gameplay into what they already have, they'd have an awesome game coming out, instead of just very good.  A future game will put all the puzzle pieces together and truly step up to the next-gen MMO everyone's waiting for.

was curious about this statement because they did do that so not sure what you are getting at

They've done some of it, I just wish they would free it up even more.  Jumping from Tera melee to GW2 melee felt handcuffed, and it would take a while to adjust.  Jumping from GW2 melee to Tera melee felt liberating, and I would be back in business in short order.

It's just the degree of freedom, really.  GW2 in isolation is more dynamic than the usual stand-and-swing games, that's for sure.  Tera is another rung above that, and just makes me wish ArenaNet could pull off the same thing.  GW2 has plenty of things I'd like to see in other games, but if they could take that full step forward in combat gameplay instead of the half-step, I'd be dangerously close to full-on fanboy gushing.

But really, to respond to the OP, it's all about how much new content and general "stuff" EM can put into the game, how fast, and how good it is.  Just like every other game, it's the management that counts, but TERA has a hook that will help it avoid the wholesale abandonment that's happened to other games if they do it right.  That's a better place to be than some other games out there right now *cough*TOR*cough* that are staring into the abyss...

 

strange because I greatly enjoyed the feel or GW2 combat over TERA.. granted I need to get more abilities open in TERA to really feel it but at least at lower levels felt GW2 abilities felt a lot better overall and especially ranged I really dislike ranged in TERA

Originally posted by TheDubanat0r

One of the rare games that builds more subs over time....Please Discuss.

No, the game is losing people pretty fast, wait till the end of the free month. Lot of people is buying the game play for a while and quit after level 20+, just take a look at the server status, 2 heavy 1 standard, the rest is just low. 

This is something else I have been chatting with my RL friends with about this game.  It's very unique in that it is a niche game in style (Asian art), but also a niche in its combat system (no tab target with active movement to not die).  It's like having a niche within a niche (niche-ception!... bad joke).  I feel this will hinder its long term sub population in that only a certain group of people will find appeal in the art style, and, of that group, only a certain number will enjoy the combat.  

To compound all of the aforementioned, the game does get pretty durn hurd.  Although I haven't experienced it personally, I hear that endgame (even in Korea) is extremely difficult - even for a dps class.  Staying alive is rather difficult while trying to pump out numbers.  In all honesty, after playing a lancer and warrior (and soloing BAMS on both... and not the stinkin basalisks, those don't count), I would argue that this is one of the rare games in which tanking is actually easier than dpsing (unless you are a tank Warrior... and that's a whole different can of worms).  The biggest reason I say this is that bosses can two shot you (as a dps) through AoE and alternate target attacks (slightly closed eye icon indicates that the mob is targeting a different character temporarily).

All this said, I am not sure we will see an overall growth, but we will see the development of a very loyal, medium sized community.  Also, if you've not tried the game, don't let what I say about difficulty deter you.  The game is really fun, and offers some very unique challenges.

Originally posted by Aerowyn

strange because I greatly enjoyed the feel or GW2 combat over TERA.. granted I need to get more abilities open in TERA to really feel it but at least at lower levels felt GW2 abilities felt a lot better overall and especially ranged I really dislike ranged in TERA

I'll agree with ranged, I was talking mostly about Hand-to-Hand combat, which I could have made clearer.  But it was great to have a rifle and form a firing line as waves of Centaurs come charging down a gorge.  I haven't had anything like that experience since way back in Asheron's Call, where there was a dungeon full of Lugians who could all end up charging the entrance due to player actions.  That was a crazy, bloody, fun mess that hasn't happened in newer games (for me) until GW2.

I have no problem with developers who think Starship Troopers is a good model for mass combat :)

Originally posted by Rommie10-284

Originally posted by Aerowyn

strange because I greatly enjoyed the feel or GW2 combat over TERA.. granted I need to get more abilities open in TERA to really feel it but at least at lower levels felt GW2 abilities felt a lot better overall and especially ranged I really dislike ranged in TERA

I'll agree with ranged, I was talking mostly about Hand-to-Hand combat, which I could have made clearer.  But it was great to have a rifle and form a firing line as waves of Centaurs come charging down a gorge.  I haven't had anything like that experience since way back in Asheron's Call, where there was a dungeon full of Lugians who could all end up charging the entrance due to player actions.  That was a crazy, bloody, fun mess that hasn't happened in newer games (for me) until GW2.

I have no problem with developers who think Starship Troopers is a good model for mass combat :)

lol true very true:) you would probably like firefall very starship feel to it 

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Sovrath
 

I jumped on the $25 sale from amazon.com as I beat diablo 3 and don't have really much to play now till TSW comes out and I love the artwork in TERA as I'm an anime nut.. I know games probably not going to get better for me and it's sad because it has potential for me but falls flat in so many areas its frustrating.. One good thing is i enjoyp laying with my 360 controller which allows me to sit back in my chair and relax. But overall I'm honestly just playing because I'm bored. I don't expect to keep a sub going on this one once my 30 days runs out.. oh I also signed up because 2 of my co-workers are playing and asked me to join them

Well, I suppose that's fair enough.

I just keep seeing players who are not fond of certain games suddenlly playing them and continue to dislike them and it always seems odd to find them there in the first place.

To answer the OP's post the game will have a small but loyal following. It's more of a proof of concept game with a poorly thought out "end game". In some ways it's interesting but I don't see the voting system as being compelling game play for some.

Personally I love the game but I love combat and "killing things". So the kill X quests are fine. I don't see many other players being able to overlook their faults.

Originally posted by Eletheryl

Originally posted by TheDubanat0r

One of the rare games that builds more subs over time....Please Discuss.

No, the game is losing people pretty fast, wait till the end of the free month. Lot of people is buying the game play for a while and quit after level 20+, just take a look at the server status, 2 heavy 1 standard, the rest is just low. 

That's pretty much what it's been from launch.

The two heavy are pvp and the medium is the one pve server to get to medium. They opened too many pve servers. I would love them to merge the others.

   I was a big swtor fan but Tera's combat and PvP potential have swayed me over to that game at least until Vanguard goes F2p or when G2 comes out.

Originally posted by Aerowyn

not unless they add a ton more content and fast... right now I'm already getting bored in my 20s just not that much to do in the game. Combat system also isn't as good as they make it out to be

you have nothing to say about combat if ur such a lowbie

go do some end dungeons and HM have fun getting one shot

Originally posted by Lilioups

Originally posted by Aerowyn

not unless they add a ton more content and fast... right now I'm already getting bored in my 20s just not that much to do in the game. Combat system also isn't as good as they make it out to be

you have nothing to say about combat if ur such a lowbie

go do some end dungeons and HM have fun getting one shot

if the game is so uninspired and boring I cant even force myself to get to even halfway to endgame much like I found happening in SWTOR then I feel its a horribly designed game.. either way I'm playing in hopes some of the abilities i get in a couple levels actually make the combat more interesting like everyone is saying.

Originally posted by Kyleran

No, unfortunately I don't see it as a game that builds subs over time, especially with GW2 and TSW on the imminent horizon.

It will end up as a gem of a game that many won't appreciate because as evidenced too many players can't see the forest as they overlook all the trees around them.

The game is curious as the features individually aren't revolutionary but taken as a sum of its parts the title is more fun than I expected it to be.

Also, I don't see it having a long term end game to retain players at this point. (only so many small dungeons you can reroll before you weary of them)

 

 

tsw will suck and its horrible compared to tera

gw2 is  a free game u want to compare it then do it with other f2p mmos 

Originally posted by Lilioups

Originally posted by Kyleran

No, unfortunately I don't see it as a game that builds subs over time, especially with GW2 and TSW on the imminent horizon.

It will end up as a gem of a game that many won't appreciate because as evidenced too many players can't see the forest as they overlook all the trees around them.

The game is curious as the features individually aren't revolutionary but taken as a sum of its parts the title is more fun than I expected it to be.

Also, I don't see it having a long term end game to retain players at this point. (only so many small dungeons you can reroll before you weary of them)

 

 

tsw will suck and its horrible compared to tera

gw2 is  a free game u want to compare it then do it with other f2p mmos 

 

why? when it's more fun than most any of the other P2P games and offers more features than most as well.. it's still a MMO aimed at the masses your logic really makes no sense... TSW is a  fine game but will be a small playerbase like TERA