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  Kyleran

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OP  5/21/12 1:24:06 PM#1

I got to thinking the other day, where did all the giants (in game moderators) go in MMORPG's.

My first MMO was Lineage 1, and while not frequent, in game moderators would actually show up in person to meet out some form of justice if someone was intentionally griefing someone.  (most common was blocking access to something, since it had collision detection)

These avatars were oversized, all powerful and they could and would actually smite other players unto death if necessary.  This all came to a head when Richard Garrot joined NCSoft and actually took control of a special GM avatar that proceeded to battle to the death all of the titles legendary npc bosses in a fight extraordinaire in the colisueum (which we all had filed into to watch) one memorable night.

My next title was DAOC, and while I never saw a GM enter the gameworld to mete out justice, I did have a quest glitch on me once and when I opened an in game report a moderator actually appeared in front of me in the form of a blue glowing crystal.

I explained how my quest line had broken and she actually reset the quest and then she and I blinked from place to place in the quest chain to make sure I got credit for each leg of the quest.  She didn't actually kill anything, but she was with me in game for each step until I got it  completed.

I know in EVE some of the Developers play the actual game using standard avatars, but actually having GM's "walk the earth" doesn't seem to happen very much these days.

Anyone know of more modern titles where the "Titans" still wander the land?

 

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  lizardbones

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5/21/12 2:04:31 PM#2

I had GMs contact me in WoW, but I don't think I ever saw an avatar. I did have that experience playing on an RPG Minecraft server though. I'm not sure why games moved away from this, other than it possibly just takes too much time in a support role to virtually move about the world.

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  WhiteLantern

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5/21/12 2:07:48 PM#3

I watched a GM dance on the Stormwind fountain and I've seen them show up in chat channels in STO, but you're right, it is far too infrequent in games these days.

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  dave6660

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5/21/12 2:15:06 PM#4

In Vanguard I saw a GM using an avatar.  It was a really odd looking dude (not a giant).  He told me my character's name was offensive.  I challenged him to a fight.  He didn't like that.

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  OMGr8573

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5/21/12 2:15:30 PM#5

Yeah I remember the days of EQ when they'd show up at weddings or at the end of them to change the females last name. How in EQ when you'd hit level 20 and get your last name they'd make a big deal out of it and pretty much everyone know about it.

How GM's would appear to you if you needed their help. Now a days it's pretty much they answer either by chat only or in-game mail.

I recall in DAoC beta a dev showed up and asked me what I'd think about them adding a compass to the game. Also how games would have these BIG events to where GM's would take control over a god, or a very important character and you'd have to either defeat them or protect them.

GM's/dev's should start doing this again and more often in all mmo's. Makes them more fun!

  Quirhid

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5/21/12 2:17:40 PM#6

Only contact with GMs I've had is when they've unstuck me or told me to stop exploiting a feature/bug. Mostly the exploit tho, getting stuck is pretty arcaic and rare these days.

"What you are doing is an exploit we are going to adress in the next patch and if you do it again you will get banned." - from WAR when we sucked people through the castle gate with the Electromagnet-skill. ...Or when we humped the castle wall slowly climbing over it. Or...

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  Loktofeit

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5/21/12 2:20:56 PM#7

In most MMOs, the support GMs rarely go visible in the game world simply because it gets them barraged with a lot that detracts from actually helping the person they showed up to help. Remaining invisible also avoids the tinfoil hat conspiracy crap about favoritism and such that has become far too prevalent in MMOs.

"...in game moderators would actually show up in person to meet out some form of justice if someone was intentionally griefing someone.  (most common was blocking access to something, since it had collision detection)"

^--- that was a perfect example. Guild A hates Guild B so they block the doorway. Once the GM moves the Guild B guy, the drama follows with how the corrupt GMs are helping their friends in Guild A. Far better for a GM to move the player, send a whisp or mail as to why and move on to the next case.

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  Sovrath

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5/21/12 2:24:41 PM#8
Originally posted by Loktofeit

In most MMOs, the support GMs rarely go visible in the game world simply because it gets them barraged with a lot that detracts from actually helping the person they showed up to help. Remaining invisible also avoids the tinfoil hat conspiracy crap about favoritism and such that has become far too prevalent in MMOs.

"...in game moderators would actually show up in person to meet out some form of justice if someone was intentionally griefing someone.  (most common was blocking access to something, since it had collision detection)"

^--- that was a perfect example. Guild A hates Guild B so they block the doorway. Once the GM moves the Guild B guy, the drama follows with how the corrupt GMs are helping their friends in Guild A. Far better for a GM to move the player, send a whisp or mail as to why and move on to the next case.

There's probably a lot of truth to that.

One of the GM's ni Lineage 2, head gm actually, showed up with this 4 winged avatar to help a player. A short time after that he was "let go".

I have no proof but I always wondered if that appearance had anything to do with it.

I do now that in Aion some gm's showed up to blast gold sellers. But that's pretty rare.

  WellzyC

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5/21/12 2:25:29 PM#9

 

Game populations were a lot smaller back before the Main Streaming of mmos. So i think it was easier and more pactical to give players a little more one on one attention.

 

Now the subs are 500K plus, and most appeals conists of pointless bickering instead of actuall issues.

The way mmo's were: Community, Exploration, Character Development, Conquest.

The way mmo's are now : Cut-Scenes,Cut-Scenes, Linear Questing, Cut-Scenes...


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  Nevulus

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5/21/12 2:27:51 PM#10

GM Stories: Launch of VG, I had a GM come check out a bug in a quest i found, then he tagged along for a good hour questing with me and chit chatting.

He then proceeded to lightning bolt 2 npcs we found that were also bugged, they died and were removed from the gaming world.

  Terranah

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5/21/12 2:29:36 PM#11

I thing the best example for me was in Fallen Earth.  I got help from a gm in that game several times and was very impressed.  

  Edeus

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5/21/12 2:30:32 PM#12

A couple of years ago in FFXI I was suffering from a glitch (or something, can't remeber) so I put in a petition for a GM.  Once the GM conversation started happening, a red glowwy GM randomly appared next to my character.  I had seen screenshots of them but never had one appear in front of me before... needless to say, other people noticed as well (it was right a the keystone in Lower Jeuno).  Once my problem was solved, there was much /cheering and /clapping and /dancing and gasping at the GM's armor stats.

 

All other games I have never seen a GM before except on screenshots.  Even on WoW in the prime of Wotlk raiding, talking to a GM at least once a week, never saw one.

 

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  Dredphyre

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5/21/12 2:30:45 PM#13
Originally posted by Loktofeit

In most MMOs, the support GMs rarely go visible in the game world simply because it gets them barraged with a lot that detracts from actually helping the person they showed up to help. Remaining invisible also avoids the tinfoil hat conspiracy crap about favoritism and such that has become far too prevalent in MMOs.

"...in game moderators would actually show up in person to meet out some form of justice if someone was intentionally griefing someone.  (most common was blocking access to something, since it had collision detection)"

^--- that was a perfect example. Guild A hates Guild B so they block the doorway. Once the GM moves the Guild B guy, the drama follows with how the corrupt GMs are helping their friends in Guild A. Far better for a GM to move the player, send a whisp or mail as to why and move on to the next case.

well, some of the tinfoil hattery is actually valid <cough> EVE <cough>....but I suspect fewer and fewer GMs roam the world because there are too many needy, clingy players who barrage them with questions, or insult them, or insult the game...a lot of asshats in MMOs these days.

  Tierless

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5/21/12 2:31:53 PM#14

I miss the random GM doing stuff effect. It was always fun to hear legends of how a GM was said to have come in and done something.

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  UtukuMoon

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5/21/12 2:33:55 PM#15

GMS are one thing but when a true giant walks the world and kills players and npc across multiple zones then you know a real titan amongs MMOs has arrived.

 

People who were there will understand this screenshot.

Anyway,i had plenty of GM events in EQ,some of the best were in the common lands with named dropping epic weapons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ymgFyzbDo

  Kabaal

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5/21/12 2:34:03 PM#16

The last game i remember regularly seeing the avatars of GM's was AoC.

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  Darwa

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5/21/12 2:34:48 PM#17

At the weekend, I had a giant skeleton appear and trade me an item which I'd accidentally (drunkenly) deleted in EQ2, so they're still around in that game at least. Then again, it was a GM that I used to work with, and they remembered that I hated the 'skelly giggle'. Bastards. Heh

When I was assigned to Vanguard, we'd often go around and turn people into chickens, rabbits etc for fun. I never got to be Vader or any of the other protagonists in SWG, though I was once a Nightsister at an event on Dathomir.

But yeah, Kyleran, although in EQ2 (on Antonia Bayle, at least) there are plenty of guide events, but I do miss the days when the gods would roam Norrath and scare the crap out of people.

  Nadia

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5/21/12 2:37:40 PM#18
Originally posted by Kyleran

My next title was DAOC, and while I never saw a GM enter the gameworld to mete out justice, I did have a quest glitch on me once and when I opened an in game report a moderator actually appeared in front of me in the form of a blue glowing crystal.

i remember seeing the same thing in DAOC during an ingame wedding a few weeks after launch

GM attended as a blue glowing crystal heh

  Rydeson

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5/21/12 2:38:52 PM#19

Those were the good ole days..  Back 10 years ago, or so, GM's were social ambassidors of the game, and were almost always helpful.. Back then the community was smaller and more personal.. It was almost a hands on approach.... But today.. MMO's are big business and the "mom and pop" way of doing business is no longer valid..  So sad..  We are stuck with walmart mmo's  for now..  lol

  kevjards

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5/21/12 2:42:13 PM#20

believe it or not i got visited by a GM in conan because a quest chain was bugged in aztel's..from when i reported it he was on the scene in 30 secs..i nearly fell off my fuckin chair,impressed was'nt the word.he quickly updated the quest for me and vanished with the comment 'Have a nice day'.

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