Originally posted by sonoggi

Originally posted by Pyuk

Actually there's one less copy  - I got a refund on mine because of the absurd connection issues. Too bad D3 doesn't work as well as their CS - got my refund without any hassle.

or you could have been less of a baby, waited 1 day and played flawlessly like the rest of us. glad you got your refund, i would have probably vote-kicked you from my games for crying too much.

The problem with modern gaming is that people are too complacent. Developers basically get away with questionable products and practices because people are too desperate to get their "crack." This shouldn't happen.

Game development is a business and most of these companies do it in order to make money. Companies always try to push the consumer a little, to see what they can and can't get away with and we have to let them know what is OK and what is not. We cannot be dismissive of valid customer complaints because that shows these companies that people will put up with this nonsense and these companies will continue to push.

Right now, most of you settled for an always online single player and the RMT AH. Blizzard, and other publishers/developers too, see that people are complacent so Blizzard will push a bit more next time and maybe when Diablo IV comes out, you'll be paying a monthly fee in order to play single player. And then someone will tell you that you could have been less of a baby and just payed...

Still can't install due to inability to connect to the patch server.  I've tried every proposed solution on the forums (I'm not the only one this bug has bitten) and have had a ticket still open with Blizzard since a couple days before launch, but still not installed.

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I'm not buying D3 because I am not OK with having to connect to a server in order to enjoy single player (I don't play MP in Diablo games) nor do I agree with RMT action house.

[mod edit] It's about being an adult and not being complacent with a shady product just because you want to play. LOL and exactly what does going outside have to do with anything?

Besides, I played the game in closed beta and it's not worth $60 for me, as I would only play the single player campaign and it's pretty short and the game doesn't even have PvP!

Originally posted by heartless

I'm not buying D3 because I am not OK with having to connect to a server in order to enjoy single player (I don't play MP in Diablo games) nor do I agree with RMT action house.

It's not about being scared. It's about being an adult and not being complacent with a shady product just because you want to play. LOL and exactly what does going outside have to do with anything?

Besides, I played the game in closed beta and it's not worth $60 for me, as I would only play the single player campaign and it's pretty short and the game doesn't even have PvP!

I dislike the DRM method as much as the next guy, but come on, what's shady about it? There's nothing about someone buying this game that is wrong or supporting shady practices, and there's nothing at all wrong with those who it doesn't bother that Blizzard used this form of DRM. There's nothing more adult like about your stance either, even bringing that word up is ridiculous.

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by heartless

I'm not buying D3 because I am not OK with having to connect to a server in order to enjoy single player (I don't play MP in Diablo games) nor do I agree with RMT action house.

It's not about being scared. It's about being an adult and not being complacent with a shady product just because you want to play. LOL and exactly what does going outside have to do with anything?

Besides, I played the game in closed beta and it's not worth $60 for me, as I would only play the single player campaign and it's pretty short and the game doesn't even have PvP!

I dislike the DRM method as much as the next guy, but come on, what's shady about it? There's nothing about someone buying this game that is wrong or supporting shady practices, and there's nothing at all wrong with those who it doesn't bother that Blizzard used this form of DRM. There's nothing more adult like about your stance either, even bringing that word up is ridiculous.

I'm not spending money on a product because I do not agree with Blizzard's decisions. Maybe "adult" is the wrong word to use. Would "rational" be better?

As far as that whole DRM thing, people had a huge issue with Ubisoft games having always online DRM. It was such a big deal that Ubisoft basically patched it out for most of their games. But Blizzard does it and it's OK.

Shady practices because you're buying a game that you can only play on their terms, even single player. I can't take D3 on a plane with me, when I travel. Nor can I play it when my internet goes down. This is not an MMO we're talking about, which are built around other players providing content. This is a single player game that I cannot access on my own terms. So yes, shady practice like an auction house where you can buy gear with real money and Blizzard takes their cut. Seriously?

I remember doing D2 Baal runs with my 99 sorc until I passed out at my desk. This game... I couldn't even finish the goddamn demo. Zzzzzz.

"take MMO conventions into the hack-and-slash genre, it is trying to keep itself fresh by innovating and appealing to today's generation of gamers."

What mmo innovations does diablo 3 have except for the fact you can only play with a handfull of people on the same map/world?

"it is trying to keep itself fresh by innovating and appealing to today's generation of gamers."

How, specifically, does D3 do this?  What is "innovating" in D3?

Originally posted by xxpigxx
I have not bought it because I refuse to buy a game that forces me to connect to a server to play SP.

Your argument of smartphones is null. I can turn off my data signal and still use the phone, and many useful apps.

Your argument of playing MMO's (and TF2) is null. Those are multiplayer games, and as such, must be connected to a server. If I wanted to play a game having to connect to a server, I would play a multiplayer game

Your argument of posting here is null. I can disconnect my internet and still read in offline mode, and do a bevy of other things, including playing other SP games that do not require a connection (like . . . I dunno . . . D2).

One day, the servers will be brought down for good, making your SP game 100% worthless. That same day, I can double-click the D2 icon and play on with no worries.

There is absolutely no reason to force a SP game to be connected to the internet to even play it. None whatsoever.

I have my standards and dignity, and this DRM goes against both. You don't like my PoV? I don't give a damn. I will sit here playing the games I choose, when I choose, whether I am connected or not.

 

Whoa.------------------^

That would be what's called a "bullseye".

Originally posted by xxpigxx
I have not bought it because I refuse to buy a game that forces me to connect to a server to play SP.

Your argument of smartphones is null. I can turn off my data signal and still use the phone, and many useful apps.

Your argument of playing MMO's (and TF2) is null. Those are multiplayer games, and as such, must be connected to a server. If I wanted to play a game having to connect to a server, I would play a multiplayer game

Your argument of posting here is null. I can disconnect my internet and still read in offline mode, and do a bevy of other things, including playing other SP games that do not require a connection (like . . . I dunno . . . D2).

One day, the servers will be brought down for good, making your SP game 100% worthless. That same day, I can double-click the D2 icon and play on with no worries.

There is absolutely no reason to force a SP game to be connected to the internet to even play it. None whatsoever.

I have my standards and dignity, and this DRM goes against both. You don't like my PoV? I don't give a damn. I will sit here playing the games I choose, when I choose, whether I am connected or not.

 

Whoa.------------------^

That would be what's called a "bullseye".

Originally posted by heartless

 

I'm not spending money on a product because I do not agree with Blizzard's decisions. Maybe "adult" is the wrong word to use. Would "rational" be better?

As far as that whole DRM thing, people had a huge issue with Ubisoft games having always online DRM. It was such a big deal that Ubisoft basically patched it out for most of their games. But Blizzard does it and it's OK.

Shady practices because you're buying a game that you can only play on their terms, even single player. I can't take D3 on a plane with me, when I travel. Nor can I play it when my internet goes down. This is not an MMO we're talking about, which are built around other players providing content. This is a single player game that I cannot access on my own terms. So yes, shady practice like an auction house where you can buy gear with real money and Blizzard takes their cut. Seriously?

I agree with most of this, especially the treatment Ubi received and Blizzard hasn't. I just think people need to realize a lot of this is going to depend on what you play D3 for. Those who want true single player capability will hate what they've done, those who only play for co-op won't really care.

Originally posted by botrytis

The DRM is also to prevent the rampant hacking that happened in D1 and D2. In D1, I remember friends who all had one piece of armor - the Godly Plate of the Whale. It was all hacked. This way that won't happen.

As far as the auction house, I won't use it so it doesn't bother me one iota.

The game plays well and doesn't need a huge amount of horsepower to play well.

It will be nice to waste some time, playing it.

They hacked WoW and SC2, what make you think they can't hack D3 too?

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by sonoggi

Originally posted by Pyuk

Actually there's one less copy  - I got a refund on mine because of the absurd connection issues. Too bad D3 doesn't work as well as their CS - got my refund without any hassle.

or you could have been less of a baby, waited 1 day and played flawlessly like the rest of us. glad you got your refund, i would have probably vote-kicked you from my games for crying too much.

The problem with modern gaming is that people are too complacent. Developers basically get away with questionable products and practices because people are too desperate to get their "crack." This shouldn't happen.

Game development is a business and most of these companies do it in order to make money. Companies always try to push the consumer a little, to see what they can and can't get away with and we have to let them know what is OK and what is not. We cannot be dismissive of valid customer complaints because that shows these companies that people will put up with this nonsense and these companies will continue to push.

Right now, most of you settled for an always online single player and the RMT AH. Blizzard, and other publishers/developers too, see that people are complacent so Blizzard will push a bit more next time and maybe when Diablo IV comes out, you'll be paying a monthly fee in order to play single player. And then someone will tell you that you could have been less of a baby and just payed...

This x1000- there are plenty of gamers out there that want to whinge and moan about what they dislike about a certain game, developer, publisher, etc. but the great majority have no intention of showing their dissatisfaction by not purchasing/supporting that which they complain about. The status quo will never change when we beg and cheer for what little scraps of quality we get in an otherwise crap game. But as I've said before you can't teach people to have higher standards.

I'm enjoying the game, and I think using the in-game gold auction house is a nice change.  instead of sitting around in a lobby hoping someone posts an item that I'd really like to trade for, I can search an auction house and find a specific item tailored to my class without being subjected to hundreds of spammed messages advertising RMT websites, all while not being able to play my game.

I have no intentions of using the RMT auction house, but for those that do, I don't see it as being much different than the sites out there that were selling Diablo 2 items online, and there will probably be ways that people connect and continue to make private transactions for Diablo 3 to avoid being stiffed by Blizzard.

You CAN trade between characters, so all it would need to entail would be exchanging gamer tags and joining a game together.

Sure, it's not exactly the "next gen" Diablo I wanted, but I'm finding enough about it to enjoy it, and that's all that's important to me, not whether or not someone else disagrees with what I enjoy.

Besides, there's Lineage Eternal to look forward to. ;)

I'd like to be able to play without 300 ping, when I get 60-80 in every other game.

I am personally loving the game. Not being able to connect on occasion and bits of lag here and there kinda suck, but it's not a big deal, imo.

Now if I were playing Hardcore, the lag would be a bit more of a problem. But luckily for me, I have no desire to do so.

Originally posted by pierth

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by sonoggi

Originally posted by Pyuk

Actually there's one less copy  - I got a refund on mine because of the absurd connection issues. Too bad D3 doesn't work as well as their CS - got my refund without any hassle.

or you could have been less of a baby, waited 1 day and played flawlessly like the rest of us. glad you got your refund, i would have probably vote-kicked you from my games for crying too much.

The problem with modern gaming is that people are too complacent. Developers basically get away with questionable products and practices because people are too desperate to get their "crack." This shouldn't happen.

Game development is a business and most of these companies do it in order to make money. Companies always try to push the consumer a little, to see what they can and can't get away with and we have to let them know what is OK and what is not. We cannot be dismissive of valid customer complaints because that shows these companies that people will put up with this nonsense and these companies will continue to push.

Right now, most of you settled for an always online single player and the RMT AH. Blizzard, and other publishers/developers too, see that people are complacent so Blizzard will push a bit more next time and maybe when Diablo IV comes out, you'll be paying a monthly fee in order to play single player. And then someone will tell you that you could have been less of a baby and just payed...

This x1000- there are plenty of gamers out there that want to whinge and moan about what they dislike about a certain game, developer, publisher, etc. but the great majority have no intention of showing their dissatisfaction by not purchasing/supporting that which they complain about. The status quo will never change when we beg and cheer for what little scraps of quality we get in an otherwise crap game. But as I've said before you can't teach people to have higher standards.

People need to realize that they (the developers and publishers) exist because of us. If we stop buying their products, they will go out of business. They know this, though, that is why any major release gets a shit ton of hype. Sadly, most people fall for the hype and look past the negatives.

I mean, it simply boggles my mind. Ubisoft creates an always online DRM and it's the worst thing ever. People are boycoting, creating online petitions, contacting the BBB, etc. Blizzard releases Diablo 3 with the same exact thing and all of a sudden it's OK and anyone who complains about it is acting like a child? WTF is wrong with people?

Originally posted by Gajari

I am personally loving the game. Not being able to connect on occasion and bits of lag here and there kinda suck, but it's not a big deal, imo.

Now if I were playing Hardcore, the lag would be a bit more of a problem. But luckily for me, I have no desire to do so.

It's not a big deal to not be able to play the game you paid for anytime you want? What?! How does lag even make sense in a single player game?