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  Uhwop

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Joined: 3/20/10
Posts: 1656

5/17/12 1:24:45 PM#41
Originally posted by AvatarBlade
Originally posted by Uhwop

DRM aside, because frankly people posting on an INTERNET forum about needing to have an internet connnection to play a game; especially an internet forum dedicated to ONLINE games, is just retarded to the extreme.

Did any of you people ever consider that maybe, just maybe, Blizzard doesn't see D3 as a "single player" game, but a co-op one with the option to play single player.  D2 didn't require an inernet connection because it was a product of it's time.  The only aspect of this game that has any connection to "single player" is that it's a sequel to D2. 

Everyone that is on my friends list from WoW is in my friends list in D3.  I can chat with friends that are playing WoW, while I play D3.  I can chat with complete stranges.  Us an online AH, open my game up so that others can join, invite friends, or just ask if anyone wants to play with me. 

This game feels no more single player to me then any of the MMO's I play.  The only diffierence is I don't have to see anyone else if I don't want to.

I suspect that most of the people crying about the online only aspect are the same people that likely hacked and cheated in D2, or pirate most of their single player games anyways.

Yep, if people don't like a feature of the game, they are obviouslu cheaters or thiefs. Nice way of belittling others oppinions through that logic.

 Thanks for your approval, it means a lot to me.

Ask yourself something.

why would people posting on a site dedicated to online rpg's be upset that an rpg requires you to be online?  Sounds rather weird to me too!

  AvatarBlade

Hard Core Member

Joined: 7/11/06
Posts: 773

5/17/12 1:29:05 PM#42
Originally posted by Uhwop
Originally posted by AvatarBlade
Originally posted by Uhwop

DRM aside, because frankly people posting on an INTERNET forum about needing to have an internet connnection to play a game; especially an internet forum dedicated to ONLINE games, is just retarded to the extreme.

Did any of you people ever consider that maybe, just maybe, Blizzard doesn't see D3 as a "single player" game, but a co-op one with the option to play single player.  D2 didn't require an inernet connection because it was a product of it's time.  The only aspect of this game that has any connection to "single player" is that it's a sequel to D2. 

Everyone that is on my friends list from WoW is in my friends list in D3.  I can chat with friends that are playing WoW, while I play D3.  I can chat with complete stranges.  Us an online AH, open my game up so that others can join, invite friends, or just ask if anyone wants to play with me. 

This game feels no more single player to me then any of the MMO's I play.  The only diffierence is I don't have to see anyone else if I don't want to.

I suspect that most of the people crying about the online only aspect are the same people that likely hacked and cheated in D2, or pirate most of their single player games anyways.

Yep, if people don't like a feature of the game, they are obviouslu cheaters or thiefs. Nice way of belittling others oppinions through that logic.

 Thanks for your approval, it means a lot to me.

Ask yourself something.

why would people posting on a site dedicated to online rpg's be upset that an rpg requires you to be online?  Sounds rather weird to me too!

Because they don't want to deal with the problems of online gaming like server being down, queues etc while playing single player? Maybe they would like to play it on a plane or they travel to places with bad internet connections and they want to be able to play a single player game in those cases? You expect to not be able to play a MMO in these cases, but not a single player game.

  Uhwop

Elite Member

Joined: 3/20/10
Posts: 1656

5/17/12 2:47:59 PM#43
Originally posted by AvatarBlade
Originally posted by Uhwop
Originally posted by AvatarBlade
Originally posted by Uhwop

DRM aside, because frankly people posting on an INTERNET forum about needing to have an internet connnection to play a game; especially an internet forum dedicated to ONLINE games, is just retarded to the extreme.

Did any of you people ever consider that maybe, just maybe, Blizzard doesn't see D3 as a "single player" game, but a co-op one with the option to play single player.  D2 didn't require an inernet connection because it was a product of it's time.  The only aspect of this game that has any connection to "single player" is that it's a sequel to D2. 

Everyone that is on my friends list from WoW is in my friends list in D3.  I can chat with friends that are playing WoW, while I play D3.  I can chat with complete stranges.  Us an online AH, open my game up so that others can join, invite friends, or just ask if anyone wants to play with me. 

This game feels no more single player to me then any of the MMO's I play.  The only diffierence is I don't have to see anyone else if I don't want to.

I suspect that most of the people crying about the online only aspect are the same people that likely hacked and cheated in D2, or pirate most of their single player games anyways.

Yep, if people don't like a feature of the game, they are obviouslu cheaters or thiefs. Nice way of belittling others oppinions through that logic.

 Thanks for your approval, it means a lot to me.

Ask yourself something.

why would people posting on a site dedicated to online rpg's be upset that an rpg requires you to be online?  Sounds rather weird to me too!

Because they don't want to deal with the problems of online gaming like server being down, queues etc while playing single player? Maybe they would like to play it on a plane or they travel to places with bad internet connections and they want to be able to play a single player game in those cases? You expect to not be able to play a MMO in these cases, but not a single player game.

 Reread my first post.

You're entire arguement is based on the idea that the game is designed as a strickly single player/ offline experience.  What happens when you start to look at the game as being designed with an ephasis on co-op/ online gameplay? 

D2 may have been a primarilly single player game, and everyone I knew that was playing it was playing it as an offline single player game, and only sometimes playing it in LAN.  Oddly enough, every single person on my friends list is playing D3 with friends. 

You people complainging about the online aspect are perfectly fine if the game was intended to be played offline.  You arguements aren't so valid when the game is clearly designed around laying online, and with friends.  Just because it's a diablo game doesn't mean it's designed as a strickly singleplayer experience, and from what I've experienced playing D3, it feels very much a multiplayer designed game.

 

DRM is only ONE aspect of the online only part, but not the only aspect of it, and some of you can't seem to see beyond that.  Blizzard stopped making single player focues games a long time ago, and why is that not obvious to more people?

  GrumpyMel2

Hard Core Member

Joined: 3/24/09
Posts: 1824

5/17/12 3:47:56 PM#44
Originally posted by Uhwop
Originally posted by AvatarBlade
Originally posted by Uhwop
Originally posted by AvatarBlade
Originally posted by Uhwop

DRM aside, because frankly people posting on an INTERNET forum about needing to have an internet connnection to play a game; especially an internet forum dedicated to ONLINE games, is just retarded to the extreme.

Did any of you people ever consider that maybe, just maybe, Blizzard doesn't see D3 as a "single player" game, but a co-op one with the option to play single player.  D2 didn't require an inernet connection because it was a product of it's time.  The only aspect of this game that has any connection to "single player" is that it's a sequel to D2. 

Everyone that is on my friends list from WoW is in my friends list in D3.  I can chat with friends that are playing WoW, while I play D3.  I can chat with complete stranges.  Us an online AH, open my game up so that others can join, invite friends, or just ask if anyone wants to play with me. 

This game feels no more single player to me then any of the MMO's I play.  The only diffierence is I don't have to see anyone else if I don't want to.

I suspect that most of the people crying about the online only aspect are the same people that likely hacked and cheated in D2, or pirate most of their single player games anyways.

Yep, if people don't like a feature of the game, they are obviouslu cheaters or thiefs. Nice way of belittling others oppinions through that logic.

 Thanks for your approval, it means a lot to me.

Ask yourself something.

why would people posting on a site dedicated to online rpg's be upset that an rpg requires you to be online?  Sounds rather weird to me too!

Because they don't want to deal with the problems of online gaming like server being down, queues etc while playing single player? Maybe they would like to play it on a plane or they travel to places with bad internet connections and they want to be able to play a single player game in those cases? You expect to not be able to play a MMO in these cases, but not a single player game.

 Reread my first post.

You're entire arguement is based on the idea that the game is designed as a strickly single player/ offline experience.  What happens when you start to look at the game as being designed with an ephasis on co-op/ online gameplay? 

D2 may have been a primarilly single player game, and everyone I knew that was playing it was playing it as an offline single player game, and only sometimes playing it in LAN.  Oddly enough, every single person on my friends list is playing D3 with friends. 

You people complainging about the online aspect are perfectly fine if the game was intended to be played offline.  You arguements aren't so valid when the game is clearly designed around laying online, and with friends.  Just because it's a diablo game doesn't mean it's designed as a strickly singleplayer experience, and from what I've experienced playing D3, it feels very much a multiplayer designed game.

 

DRM is only ONE aspect of the online only part, but not the only aspect of it, and some of you can't seem to see beyond that.  Blizzard stopped making single player focues games a long time ago, and why is that not obvious to more people?

You can't really blame people for having certain expectations about something that is billed/marketed as SEQUAL to a previous title.

It's kinda like releasing Saving Private Ryan II - and wondering why folks are off-put when they discover this one is a light hearted romantic comedy with no shooting in it.

When you use an existing name to market something there are things that go with that. Maybe if they had called it "Diablo Online" or something there would be a stronger case for people not expecting support for offline play.

Furthermore, saying that people shouldn't expect offline play is a far cry from your origional accusation that the only folks who were bothered by lack of support for offline play were cheaters or pirates.
 
As was pointed out, there are alot of legitimate reasons for people wanting to be able to play a computer game while offline.
 
 
  Uhwop

Elite Member

Joined: 3/20/10
Posts: 1656

5/17/12 4:53:52 PM#45
Originally posted by GrumpyMel2
Originally posted by Uhwop
Originally posted by AvatarBlade
Originally posted by Uhwop
Originally posted by AvatarBlade
Originally posted by Uhwop

DRM aside, because frankly people posting on an INTERNET forum about needing to have an internet connnection to play a game; especially an internet forum dedicated to ONLINE games, is just retarded to the extreme.

Did any of you people ever consider that maybe, just maybe, Blizzard doesn't see D3 as a "single player" game, but a co-op one with the option to play single player.  D2 didn't require an inernet connection because it was a product of it's time.  The only aspect of this game that has any connection to "single player" is that it's a sequel to D2. 

Everyone that is on my friends list from WoW is in my friends list in D3.  I can chat with friends that are playing WoW, while I play D3.  I can chat with complete stranges.  Us an online AH, open my game up so that others can join, invite friends, or just ask if anyone wants to play with me. 

This game feels no more single player to me then any of the MMO's I play.  The only diffierence is I don't have to see anyone else if I don't want to.

I suspect that most of the people crying about the online only aspect are the same people that likely hacked and cheated in D2, or pirate most of their single player games anyways.

Yep, if people don't like a feature of the game, they are obviouslu cheaters or thiefs. Nice way of belittling others oppinions through that logic.

 Thanks for your approval, it means a lot to me.

Ask yourself something.

why would people posting on a site dedicated to online rpg's be upset that an rpg requires you to be online?  Sounds rather weird to me too!

Because they don't want to deal with the problems of online gaming like server being down, queues etc while playing single player? Maybe they would like to play it on a plane or they travel to places with bad internet connections and they want to be able to play a single player game in those cases? You expect to not be able to play a MMO in these cases, but not a single player game.

 Reread my first post.

You're entire arguement is based on the idea that the game is designed as a strickly single player/ offline experience.  What happens when you start to look at the game as being designed with an ephasis on co-op/ online gameplay? 

D2 may have been a primarilly single player game, and everyone I knew that was playing it was playing it as an offline single player game, and only sometimes playing it in LAN.  Oddly enough, every single person on my friends list is playing D3 with friends. 

You people complainging about the online aspect are perfectly fine if the game was intended to be played offline.  You arguements aren't so valid when the game is clearly designed around laying online, and with friends.  Just because it's a diablo game doesn't mean it's designed as a strickly singleplayer experience, and from what I've experienced playing D3, it feels very much a multiplayer designed game.

 

DRM is only ONE aspect of the online only part, but not the only aspect of it, and some of you can't seem to see beyond that.  Blizzard stopped making single player focues games a long time ago, and why is that not obvious to more people?

You can't really blame people for having certain expectations about something that is billed/marketed as SEQUAL to a previous title.

It's kinda like releasing Saving Private Ryan II - and wondering why folks are off-put when they discover this one is a light hearted romantic comedy with no shooting in it.

When you use an existing name to market something there are things that go with that. Maybe if they had called it "Diablo Online" or something there would be a stronger case for people not expecting support for offline play.

Furthermore, saying that people shouldn't expect offline play is a far cry from your origional accusation that the only folks who were bothered by lack of support for offline play were cheaters or pirates.
 
As was pointed out, there are alot of legitimate reasons for people wanting to be able to play a computer game while offline.
 
 

 And your annology has no relevance here.

They made a sequal.  How many post do I need to read from people saying the game isn't different enough from D2 for them to play it?  I didn't like D2, I tried it it a couple of times, and played it enough to know that D3 is very much indeed a sequal to D2. 

You're confusing your expectations with what the developers intended. 

D3 is an online game. 

Here it is folks.  D3 is an online game.  Period.  Online games are the evolution of multiplayer games.  I haven't played a game with someone next to me in many years, we play online together now.  And blizzard specializes in multiplayer games, they have for well over a decade.  I NEVER played warcraft alone.  I NEVER played starcraft alone.  And most everyone I knew was playing D2 with someone else.  That is Blizzards forte.  Is this not a company that embrasses Esports? 

 

The reason we are all here, posting on these forums, is because we love massively multiplayer online games.  We all have that in common here.  Can you undrestand why I would have zero understanding why anyone here would complain about a game requiring you to play online?

This isn't 2000, when very few games actually had online play.  It's 2012, were very few games have no online play.  Just because D2 that came out 12 years ago had offline, doesn't mean it's sequel today isn't designed as an online game.

 

And a better analogy would have been Rockstar releasing GTA 5 and requiring you to have an inernet connection.  And I would tell you that if the online was done as well as Blizzard did D3's I would say awesome.

Blizzard did not just throw out a requirement to have an internet connection for the game.  It's very much a part of the game.  It's the only reason I was willing  to give it a shot.  I don't play offline games.  Skyrim, as much as I love the ES games, only lasted me a few days.  I don't play offline games.  And just like I don't like PvP to be an after thought in my MMO's, I don't want the online component to be an afterthought in my online game.  It needs to be integral part of the game, even if I never play with another person. 

 

Rage against the server outages, by all means.  You're more then just and fair in doing so.  But for godsakes drop the "I won't by it because it's online" mantra.  It's a simply rediculous arguement considering the website you're doing it at.

  FrodoFragins

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Joined: 4/29/10
Posts: 2772

5/17/12 9:56:47 PM#46
Originally posted by Unlight
Originally posted by Mari2k

No playing offline is not an option, its a relic from the past.

 

 

From business side its a simple equation:

$ lost from illegal copy  > $ lost from gamers that dont buy couse online only

Ask Ubisoft how well that kind of mentality has been working out for them.  The tighter the DRM they slap on their games, the bigger a target they paint for pirates and hackers.  Meanwhile, legitimate gamers like myself are left with either jumping through a lot of stupid, arbitrary hoops placed in our path or not buying their games.  I can't remember the last time I bought something from Ubisoft.

As for Blizzard, they can only get away with it because of the legion of drones they command who do as they're bid and buy what they are given with unquestioning loyalty.  Anyone else trying that kind of bullshit would be drawn and quartered by the gaming community.

The Blizzard hate is strong with this one.  Blizzard gets away with it because they have a legacy of great games that define their genres.

  DaddyDark

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5/20/12 10:42:23 AM#47

My take on this is that they were arsing around rather than actually developing the game all those years. Having the EU servers down on the first Sunday after the launch is an outrage. It would go for any other company, but not for Blizz  - the MMO leader who likes to buzz around about them serving 10mln clients around the world. WTF with Diablo 3 then? Seems like they no longer care about their corporate image.. they had too much customers for the last 10 years to bother about another few millions...

 

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