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General Discussion  » Don't go by Total Biscuit's completely misinformed review/rant of D3

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  ace5572

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5/17/12 9:18:29 AM#101

I don't like the auction house. And in beta i didn't really feel like i was in the Diablo world. I don't know what they did on release ,but even just watching my roommate for a couple hours, i felt like i was being sucked into the "i'm gonna play this game and everything else be damned" kind of mode. It felt dark like the last two and not Diablo-In-Candyland.

I'll admit i was nay-saying the hell out of this game before it got released. I'd rather die than see another WoW. But it truely stands up to the other two Diablo games that i loved as a kid. You will definitely get your $60 worth in entertainment.

  atticusbc

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5/17/12 9:19:09 AM#102

did anyone not notice that that's not a review? that's his mailbox. not a review. (i wish /thread, but the flames are gonna keep coming).

  Lashley

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5/17/12 9:20:33 AM#103
Originally posted by atticusbc

did anyone not notice that that's not a review? that's his mailbox. not a review. (i wish /thread, but the flames are gonna keep coming).

Yep, wasn't even a review, but haters gon' hate.

  Renascent88

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5/17/12 9:25:38 AM#104

Guys... I'm going to post parts of this in caps because it is important that you know this.

 

TB is NOT doing REVIEWS. He have stated several times that he HATES reviews because of developer/producer bias, score/meta critic and so forth.

His 'WTF is' videos are NOT  review videos, they are FIRST IMPRESSION videos. That is a HUGE difference.

Stop saying TB have reviewed game X, because he have stated time and time again that he do NOT review games. Not even OP got that straight.

  Pyuk

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5/17/12 9:26:08 AM#105

I agree this isn't a review, but TB's rant is legitimate and true. The faults he cites are glaring faults that even a lot of blinded fanbois are starting to see. It's sad - I used to be a diehard Blizzard fanboi, but this latest fiasco, coupled to how Bliz has pretty much ruined WoW over the long haul, has turned me into a hater.

I make spreadsheets at work - I don't want to make them for the games I play.

  odinsrath

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5/17/12 9:29:55 AM#106

who is total biscuit and why should i care..i play what i want no matter what anyone says...if i like it i will play it ..if i dont ..i wont..no silly youtuber review guy will make me change my mind untill i try it myself

  Boltonsquad

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5/17/12 9:31:26 AM#107

His review/rant was a 100% correct, launch was terrible, online play only is terrible, the amount of gameplay for the money is terrible.

So glad i didn't have to purchase this.

  niceguy3978

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5/17/12 9:34:13 AM#108
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by FrodoFragins

I generally appreciate his input, but this review/rant is a total hack job of misinformation.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9WbqdYuba4&feature=plcp

 

He has several misconceptions/biases about D3.

 

1) He seems to think the scene can hack the game to be playable offline.  That's an absolute joke.  The best they can do is make it easier to connect to a server emulation once they are written.  I don't think he even grasps server/client relationships.

 

2) He seems to only care about the game as a single player game.  As such, he doesn't care about item hacking or bnet cheating.  He completely minimizes the benefit of storing all characters on their servers and running most of the code on their servers.  That doesn't mean that

 

3) He only sees the evils of the RMAH and completely ignores the gold AH.  Ever tried trading items in D2.  the options were to create a game name with the trade you wanted, but if it wasn't elite good luck.  The other popular method was  D2JSP, where one person profited financially and trades were not secure.  You might get a refund from d2jsp if you got scammed, but that's a major hassle.

 

4)  He's not even a fan of the genre and thus he clearly wasn't a serious online D2 player and doesn't understand the appeal.  Which is why he sees TL2, with an open BNET type of system, and POE which also is online only,as comparable.

 

If you want a simple single player hack&slash and aren't that interested in the genre, like Total Biscuit, then definitely buy Torchlight 2 for $20.  But don't take his review as being a well informed critique of the genre or the game.

I didn't watch the video because i don't like Total Biscuit.

 

However, the points you bring up are actually true about Diablo 3.

 

The RMAH is a money-grab for Blizzard. Nothing more, nothing less. The gold-farming markets have already began undercutting the RMAH....funny that huh?

 

Not to mention the DRM simply should not exist. Who cares about "Open B-Net"? NO ONE who actually bought the game cared about Open-Bnet. Pretty much anyone who cared about Diablo 2 played on Closed Bnet to stay away from hackers (which, by the by, already exist in Diablo 3 in the form of maphacks). So trying to create false information claiming that DRM is a "good thing" is actually a bad deal.

 

Lastly, Diablo 3 isn't a true successor to Diablo 2. Diablo 3 is beyond dumbed down to the point it cannot even be called a sequel in the franchise. Not to mention the art-style is horridly different than D2 or D1. 

 

So if he mentioned any of that in the video then that'll be the first time i've ever heard Total Biscuit say anything decent. Just saying....

 

Oh, and TorchLight looks like crap. I'm sorry, but the art-style they went with screams attention from the 12yr old audience whom like Wizard101. So TorchLight isn't even in the same category as the Diablo franchise USED to be.

 

Not to mention that POE is billed as an "Action RPG MMO", and not actually a single-player ARPG like Diablo 1 or 2 were able to be. So not really a fair comparison either, though I do see where you were coming from.

I only want to point out one thing.  How can they be undercutting the RMAH when it isn't even out yet?  It isn't available until at least May 22, so there isn't anything to undercut.

  Everket

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Joined: 3/22/11
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5/17/12 9:38:52 AM#109
Originally posted by monarc333

Dont listen to him anymore. He walks a fine like between being an asshole and being entertaining. Too often he's the asshole.

Asshole because he dares criticise a game? Why? Give me one good reason for online only drm, just one. There is no justification for it, and the amount of people defending it doesn't make sense. That is the main issue. He is not saying it's a bad game, so why would you call him an asshole? Are people not allowed to come with constructive criticism? It's at least a lot  better than your criticism, which has no valid points, and doesn't explain anything. 

  odinsrath

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5/17/12 9:39:50 AM#110
Originally posted by Boltonsquad

His review/rant was a 100% correct, launch was terrible, online play only is terrible, the amount of gameplay for the money is terrible.

So glad i didn't have to purchase this.

any online type of game has some type of problem on release..if you dont belive that than idk what to tell you

and as far as online play ..we played with a party of 4 last night and had a blast..sure i agree on the price..but then again 80% of new games are priced at 60$ upon release..

you have played it right?

most people didnt even know what to rly expect seeing alot of the younger crowd would be comeing from wow and had never even played D1 / D2 and were prolly expecting an mmo

  asyx

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5/17/12 9:39:55 AM#111

 

Originally posted by FrodoFragins

I generally appreciate his input, but this review/rant is a total hack job of misinformation.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9WbqdYuba4&feature=plcp

 

He has several misconceptions/biases about D3.

 

1) He seems to think the scene can hack the game to be playable offline.  That's an absolute joke.  The best they can do is make it easier to connect to a server emulation once they are written.  I don't think he even grasps server/client relationships.

 

2) He seems to only care about the game as a single player game.  As such, he doesn't care about item hacking or bnet cheating.  He completely minimizes the benefit of storing all characters on their servers and running most of the code on their servers.  That doesn't mean that

 

3) He only sees the evils of the RMAH and completely ignores the gold AH.  Ever tried trading items in D2.  the options were to create a game name with the trade you wanted, but if it wasn't elite good luck.  The other popular method was  D2JSP, where one person profited financially and trades were not secure.  You might get a refund from d2jsp if you got scammed, but that's a major hassle.

 

4)  He's not even a fan of the genre and thus he clearly wasn't a serious online D2 player and doesn't understand the appeal.  Which is why he sees TL2, with an open BNET type of system, and POE which also is online only,as comparable.

 

If you want a simple single player hack&slash and aren't that interested in the genre, like Total Biscuit, then definitely buy Torchlight 2 for $20.  But don't take his review as being a well informed critique of the genre or the game.

1.) BULLSHIT! The Battle.Net is not some kind of black magic nobody can crack. If the encryption is known (which isn't that unlikely now because people actually have got a reason to crack it) everything is open like a prostitute in Amsterdam.

 

2.) I agree with that. It has a lot of benefits he could've mentioned but why can't I create an offline character? I can live with downtimes on my favourite character but I want to play a seperate character while I wait. I could also play in a LAN with my friends.

 

3.) He hasn't talked about the use of the RMAH. He has taken it as a reason why Blizzard is doing this shit with us. He talked about the shit that has happend in the first 2 days and his first impression and he explained why, what happend. 

 

4.) So other games can't compete because they haven't been developed for 12 years? 

 

This wasn't even a proper review. That was an episode of his mailbox show. If you want a proper review, you should wait for angryjoe.

 

  VonTakala

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5/17/12 9:42:33 AM#112
Originally posted by FrodoFragins

I generally appreciate his input, but this review/rant is a total hack job of misinformation.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9WbqdYuba4&feature=plcp

 

He has several misconceptions/biases about D3.

 

1) He seems to think the scene can hack the game to be playable offline.  That's an absolute joke.  The best they can do is make it easier to connect to a server emulation once they are written.  I don't think he even grasps server/client relationships.

 

2) He seems to only care about the game as a single player game.  As such, he doesn't care about item hacking or bnet cheating.  He completely minimizes the benefit of storing all characters on their servers and running most of the code on their servers.  That doesn't mean that

 

3) He only sees the evils of the RMAH and completely ignores the gold AH.  Ever tried trading items in D2.  the options were to create a game name with the trade you wanted, but if it wasn't elite good luck.  The other popular method was  D2JSP, where one person profited financially and trades were not secure.  You might get a refund from d2jsp if you got scammed, but that's a major hassle.

 

4)  He's not even a fan of the genre and thus he clearly wasn't a serious online D2 player and doesn't understand the appeal.  Which is why he sees TL2, with an open BNET type of system, and POE which also is online only,as comparable.

 

If you want a simple single player hack&slash and aren't that interested in the genre, like Total Biscuit, then definitely buy Torchlight 2 for $20.  But don't take his review as being a well informed critique of the genre or the game.

Dunno what you're taling about... TotalBiscuit started off talking about how a single-player D3 gamer somehow requires internet and server connectivity (?)

Seems prefectly reasonable to be annoyed by this if you ask me.

If you want to play multiplayer game then go ahead, but a single-player game should never need you to log into a queue. Ever.

  Kuppa

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5/17/12 9:50:25 AM#113

Its very true that the way they are dealing with piracy, is essentially wrong. I agree completely with him on that. Still, the game itself is incredibly fun for me and will probably play it for a long time. Unfortunately he went on a rant about the "always online" part of things.

I haven't played TL2 yet and definately want to try it out, especially now that he compares it a bit to it. It does seem that some of his gripes with D3 are stuff that were there from D2. I don't know if he played D2, but its a very specific formula that isn't overly complicated and just works.

He obviously does not like the genre. So, I don't expect he will like D3 or D2 for that matter. It seems like TL2 is more of an intant reward game and that's why he prefered it. D3 is essentially what D2 was, a dungeon crawler-loot grabber. Which is what I want 


  expresso

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5/17/12 9:57:13 AM#114
Originally posted by Boltonsquad

His review/rant was a 100% correct, launch was terrible, online play only is terrible, the amount of gameplay for the money is terrible.

So glad i didn't have to purchase this.

His rant about the launch was fine, but then he talked about what he had played (up to level 10), he clearly didin't understand the rune system and he also talked about lack of variaty, he's no more than 2 hours into the game, what does he expect?  

I feel he came to the game already with bias and a hardon for TL2 which tainted is otherwise neutral stance, I'll still watch his vid but he has not given D3 a real chance.

  p_c_sousa

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5/17/12 9:58:19 AM#115

hackers are laugh hard on OP point 1...

in few months you will not even need to buy D3 because will exist a private server. show me a game that cant be hacked, i never saw one...

  Vannor

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5/17/12 10:02:44 AM#116

I've never rated TB much anyway. He's popular because he's a bit of a wierdo and that's entertaining, that's all. He's just an average gamer that can be bothered to put out tons of videos for some reason. His video capture is good and his voiceover is entertaining but it often isn't informative or factual. Plus, he's almost always biased in one way or another.

  Wickedjelly

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5/17/12 10:05:01 AM#117
Originally posted by odinsrath
Originally posted by Boltonsquad

His review/rant was a 100% correct, launch was terrible, online play only is terrible, the amount of gameplay for the money is terrible.

So glad i didn't have to purchase this.

any online type of game has some type of problem on release..if you dont belive that than idk what to tell you

Pretty sure most are well aware of this. I mean that is one of the reasons people are irritated about the single player version being online only. So...yeah...

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  Vannor

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5/17/12 10:05:52 AM#118
Originally posted by p_c_sousa

hackers are laugh hard on OP point 1...

in few months you will not even need to buy D3 because will exist a private server. show me a game that cant be hacked, i never saw one...

Show me a private server that works anything like the official one for any game... I've never seen one. Most are awful in fact.

If this was true then every online game (MMOs too) would have been replaced by private servers a long time ago.

  Weretigar

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5/17/12 10:09:47 AM#119
Originally posted by Vannor
Originally posted by p_c_sousa

hackers are laugh hard on OP point 1...

in few months you will not even need to buy D3 because will exist a private server. show me a game that cant be hacked, i never saw one...

Show me a private server that works anything like the official one for any game... I've never seen one. Most are awful in fact.

If this was true then every online game (MMOs too) would have been replaced by private servers a long time ago.

Ragnarok online.

  Iselin

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5/17/12 10:11:52 AM#120

I don't know much about TB but on this he is 100% spot-on.

 

The pirates will have this cracked and playing off pseudo servers in hours...if it isn't already happening. The only ones inconvenienced are we, the legitimate players who bought it.

 

And PS... the Diablo series always was a single player game first. The online play has always been secondary. If you don't know that you didn't play it in 1996. Optional on-line with different single-player and on-line toons: there was no valid reason to go away from that model...just a lot of half-baked rationalizations.

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