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General Discussion  » Don't go by Total Biscuit's completely misinformed review/rant of D3

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  Dreamo84

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5/17/12 1:41:26 AM#21
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
 

 

 

 

Lastly, Diablo 3 isn't a true successor to Diablo 2. Diablo 3 is beyond dumbed down to the point it cannot even be called a sequel in the franchise. Not to mention the art-style is horridly different than D2 or D1. 

 

Diablo 2 was hardly a successor to Diablo 1 if you wanna nit pick. The art style was far less dark and gritty, the skill system was less open you were locked into a more rigid class.

Honestly, i am loving D3 and if people like you and others would get your heads out of your asses long enough to see the good stuff you might enjoy it too!

I swear the internet was built for cynics.

  SuperXero89

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5/17/12 1:42:57 AM#22

"People took DAYS off work to play this game, and as a result of Blizzard's decisions, they're not able to do so!"  So, I'm annoyed on behalf of them.  It is, in fact, possible to feel empathy for people folks, it really is."

Jesus, really?  He feels empathy for mature adults who called in sick from work to stay at home to play a video game?  This is just a mere sample of the sensationalist bandwagon jumping nonsense he hops on every now and again that I can only assume is a mad grab for channel views.  It really goes to show you what an absolute fool the man is.

  FrodoFragins

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OP  5/17/12 1:44:02 AM#23
Originally posted by Corehaven
Originally posted by Zylaxx

Sorry but I agreed with most every word he said. 

 

Ditto.  Totally.  

 

Im not the biggest fan of TotalBiscuit and he has gotten on my nerves a few times, but he's hit the nail on the head.   He basically just got done saying everything and more, that Ive been saying here for the last two days. 

 

Also OP.....  If they can emulate a WoW server, or any mmo they care too, I cant find a reason in the world hackers will not emulate Diablo 3.  Its very likely to happen.  Would probably take 6 months to a year but I expect it to happen. 

Where did I say they couldn't emulate D3?  They definitely will in the next 6-9 months.  But I'm pretty sure it's not "the scene" that does that. He implied the scene could hack the disk and somehow find a server in there.  Totally ludicrous and ignorant.

  User Deleted
5/17/12 1:49:07 AM#24
Originally posted by SuperXero89

"People took DAYS off work to play this game, and as a result of Blizzard's decisions, they're not able to do so!"  So, I'm annoyed on behalf of them.  It is, in fact, possible to feel empathy for people folks, it really is."

Jesus, really?  He feels empathy for mature adults who called in sick from work to stay at home to play a video game?  This is just a mere sample of the sensationalist bandwagon jumping nonsense he hops on every now and again that I can only assume is a mad grab for channel views.  It really goes to show you what an absolute fool the man is.

You may not agree with the adults who took time off to play a video game, but regardless of the reason, if anyone took time off to enjoy any hobby and then were not able due to not fault of their own but the company that provided the hobby, I would feel empathy for them. They probably lost a sick/vacation day or lost a little pay. Some may take time off to go to Dinsey World with their familes, others will take time off to play video games with their kids, family members, or friends. Either way, if both situations were ruined I would indeed feel bad for them.

  Xasapis

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5/17/12 1:51:31 AM#25
Originally posted by Fendel84M
Originally posted by Xasapis

That's nice publicity you generated for him right there.

Besides, do you really need TBs opinion to see what the general concensus is regarding Diablo? I think this site alone has exploded with complain threads.

So naive, the millions enjoying the game never goto a forum to bitch and moan. Thats why if you took a sample of this forum, WoW would be the least successful MMO of all time rather than the most.

I suppose for you, the world does not exist outside these forums though.

Far from it. Personally other games keep me away from Diablo right now. The thing is, for those interested in forums such as this (and is obviously not the majority that buys games in general), there are plenty of threads discussing issues, without bringing outside "evidence" about the game's problems, real or imaginary.

In any case, you fail to understand the function and necessity of these forums. These are not for people who have settled in an mmorpg and are having fun with it, but those who have moved on and are looking for something else, something different. It is obvious that the majority here probably has played WoW, but it's also obvious that are here to look for alternative to WoW mmorpg and not sit here and praise its merits. This holds true for pretty much everything in the market, it's just that the more popular mmorpgs will have the most people looking for other things to play.

  SuperXero89

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5/17/12 1:54:23 AM#26
Originally posted by joocheese
Originally posted by SuperXero89

"People took DAYS off work to play this game, and as a result of Blizzard's decisions, they're not able to do so!"  So, I'm annoyed on behalf of them.  It is, in fact, possible to feel empathy for people folks, it really is."

Jesus, really?  He feels empathy for mature adults who called in sick from work to stay at home to play a video game?  This is just a mere sample of the sensationalist bandwagon jumping nonsense he hops on every now and again that I can only assume is a mad grab for channel views.  It really goes to show you what an absolute fool the man is.

You may not agree with the adults who took time off to play a video game, but regardless of the reason, if anyone took time off to enjoy any hobby and then were not able due to not fault of their own but the company that provided the hobby, I would feel empathy for them. They probably lost a sick/vacation day or lost a little pay. Some may take time off to go to Dinsey World with their familes, others will take time off to play video games with their kids, family members, or friends. Either way, if both situations were ruined I would indeed feel bad for them.

Are we honestly comparing taking off work to sit around and play Diablo 3 to taking a vacation to Disney World?  I know where all gamers, but sweet mary, that's not even close to the same thing.

If you take work to go see a movie, to go fishing, or to play video games and something prevents you from doing so, you have no one to blame but yourself for your lost productivity.  Those people made a conscious choice to skip work for a day to play a video game, and now they must suffer the repercussions for doing so.  If they're not able to accept what they've lost then they really weren't mature enough to decide to skip in the first place.

  jondifool

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5/17/12 1:55:42 AM#27
Originally posted by SuperXero89

"People took DAYS off work to play this game, and as a result of Blizzard's decisions, they're not able to do so!"  So, I'm annoyed on behalf of them.  It is, in fact, possible to feel empathy for people folks, it really is."

Jesus, really?  He feels empathy for mature adults who called in sick from work to stay at home to play a video game?  This is just a mere sample of the sensationalist bandwagon jumping nonsense he hops on every now and again that I can only assume is a mad grab for channel views.  It really goes to show you what an absolute fool the man is.

if thats what you got from listen to his mailbox, i think he could learn you something about empathy ;) .

I find that i agreed with most of what he said. And i would than OP for directing me to his mailbox. 

read how to create a succesfull mmo before posting about GW2. And read tao of ArenaNet before talking about innovation in GW2

  SuperXero89

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5/17/12 1:57:20 AM#28
Originally posted by jondifool
Originally posted by SuperXero89

"People took DAYS off work to play this game, and as a result of Blizzard's decisions, they're not able to do so!"  So, I'm annoyed on behalf of them.  It is, in fact, possible to feel empathy for people folks, it really is."

Jesus, really?  He feels empathy for mature adults who called in sick from work to stay at home to play a video game?  This is just a mere sample of the sensationalist bandwagon jumping nonsense he hops on every now and again that I can only assume is a mad grab for channel views.  It really goes to show you what an absolute fool the man is.

if thats what you got from listen to his mailbox, i think he could learn you something about empathy ;) .

I find that i agreed with most of what he said. And i would than OP for directing me to his mailbox. 

It's a quote lifted directly from the video.  I'm not sure what else I was supposed to get.

  DarkPony

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5/17/12 1:57:45 AM#29
Originally posted by Zylaxx
Originally posted by FrodoFragins

I generally appreciate his input, but this review/rant is a total hack job of misinformation.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9WbqdYuba4&feature=plcp

 

He has several misconceptions/biases about D3.

 

1) He seems to think the scene can hack the game to be playable offline.  That's an absolute joke.  The best they can do is make it easier to connect to a server emulation once they are written.  I don't think he even grasps server/client relationships.

 

2) He seems to only care about the game as a single player game.  As such, he doesn't care about item hacking or bnet cheating.  He completely minimizes the benefit of storing all characters on their servers and running most of the code on their servers.  That doesn't mean that

 

3) He only sees the evils of the RMAH and completely ignores the gold AH.  Ever tried trading items in D2.  the options were to create a game name with the trade you wanted, but if it wasn't elite good luck.  The other popular method was  D2JSP, where one person profited financially and trades were not secure.  You might get a refund from d2jsp if you got scammed, but that's a major hassle.

 

4)  He's not even a fan of the genre and thus he clearly wasn't a serious online D2 player and doesn't understand the appeal.  Which is why he sees TL2, with an open BNET type of system, and POE which also is online only,as comparable.

 

If you want a simple single player hack&slash and aren't that interested in the genre, like Total Biscuit, then definitely buy Torchlight 2 for $20.  But don't take his review as being a well informed critique of the genre or the game.

Sorry but I agreed with most every word he said. 

Same.

Loved his rant. Especially the "Imagine what happened if EA did this ..." bit.

OP, you are trying to take his arguments out of context by saying stuff like "he only cares about the single player game". That isn't true. He just defends the notion that a game which allows for complete solo gameplay shouldn't be online only. He also brings up alternatives with dedicated offline and online characters which I personally would like a lot. His conclusions seem valid too. Because of the RMAH they can't really go around making this a strictly controlled online game only to prevent exploits and fraud as much as possible. Piracy is a secondary issue.

And yeah, they are really challenging the code monkeys with this. Curious when the first independent server will pop up.

  Wickedjelly

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5/17/12 1:59:20 AM#30

/shrug

I pretty much agree with him across the board.

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  SuperXero89

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5/17/12 2:01:52 AM#31

Why don't people make the same complaints about PoE, baring the fact that it's an indy title without a huge fanbase?

Diablo 3 is not Diablo 2.  You can play by yourself same as you can play by yourself in LotRO, but it's still an online game, and Blizzard has always promoted it as such.  If you really want to play a game like this on a road trip or on a plane flight, just download Torchlight II and play that when away from an internet connection and play Diablo 3 when you get home.

  romanator0

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5/17/12 2:03:59 AM#32
Originally posted by SuperXero89

Why don't people make the same complaints about PoE, baring the fact that it's an indy title without a huge fanbase?

Diablo 3 is not Diablo 2.  You can play by yourself same as you can play by yourself in LotRO, but it's still an online game, and Blizzard has always promoted it as such.  If you really want to play a game like this on a road trip or on a plane flight, just download Torchlight II and play that when away from an internet connection and play Diablo 3 when you get home.

The same reason nobody is complaining that games like Guild Wars and Vindictus are online only. Path of Exile is actually making it a feature of the game rather than some shitty DRM.

  SuperXero89

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5/17/12 2:07:15 AM#33
Originally posted by romanator0
Originally posted by SuperXero89

Why don't people make the same complaints about PoE, baring the fact that it's an indy title without a huge fanbase?

Diablo 3 is not Diablo 2.  You can play by yourself same as you can play by yourself in LotRO, but it's still an online game, and Blizzard has always promoted it as such.  If you really want to play a game like this on a road trip or on a plane flight, just download Torchlight II and play that when away from an internet connection and play Diablo 3 when you get home.

The same reason nobody is complaining that games like Guild Wars and Vindictus are online only. Path of Exile is actually making it a feature of the game rather than some shitty DRM.

And seamless switching between single player gameplay and online play along with auction house fuctionality isn't integrating online play into the game?

 

  Corehaven

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5/17/12 2:07:56 AM#34
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
Originally posted by Corehaven
Originally posted by Zylaxx

Sorry but I agreed with most every word he said. 

 

Ditto.  Totally.  

 

Im not the biggest fan of TotalBiscuit and he has gotten on my nerves a few times, but he's hit the nail on the head.   He basically just got done saying everything and more, that Ive been saying here for the last two days. 

 

Also OP.....  If they can emulate a WoW server, or any mmo they care too, I cant find a reason in the world hackers will not emulate Diablo 3.  Its very likely to happen.  Would probably take 6 months to a year but I expect it to happen. 

Where did I say they couldn't emulate D3?  They definitely will in the next 6-9 months.  But I'm pretty sure it's not "the scene" that does that. He implied the scene could hack the disk and somehow find a server in there.  Totally ludicrous and ignorant.

 

Okay sorry must have mis read.  Did he say that?  No...sigh thats not going to happen.  You cant hack a disk and get into the......yea whatever. 

  cloud8521

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5/17/12 2:42:30 AM#35
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
Originally posted by Corehaven
Originally posted by Zylaxx

Sorry but I agreed with most every word he said. 

 

Ditto.  Totally.  

 

Im not the biggest fan of TotalBiscuit and he has gotten on my nerves a few times, but he's hit the nail on the head.   He basically just got done saying everything and more, that Ive been saying here for the last two days. 

 

Also OP.....  If they can emulate a WoW server, or any mmo they care too, I cant find a reason in the world hackers will not emulate Diablo 3.  Its very likely to happen.  Would probably take 6 months to a year but I expect it to happen. 

Where did I say they couldn't emulate D3?  They definitely will in the next 6-9 months.  But I'm pretty sure it's not "the scene" that does that. He implied the scene could hack the disk and somehow find a server in there.  Totally ludicrous and ignorant.

or they could  hack and reverse engineer the game to not require a connection

  trash656

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5/17/12 2:47:55 AM#36
Originally posted by FrodoFragins

I generally appreciate his input, but this review/rant is a total hack job of misinformation.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9WbqdYuba4&feature=plcp

 

He has several misconceptions/biases about D3.

 

1) He seems to think the scene can hack the game to be playable offline.  That's an absolute joke.  The best they can do is make it easier to connect to a server emulation once they are written.  I don't think he even grasps server/client relationships.

 

2) He seems to only care about the game as a single player game.  As such, he doesn't care about item hacking or bnet cheating.  He completely minimizes the benefit of storing all characters on their servers and running most of the code on their servers.  That doesn't mean that

 

3) He only sees the evils of the RMAH and completely ignores the gold AH.  Ever tried trading items in D2.  the options were to create a game name with the trade you wanted, but if it wasn't elite good luck.  The other popular method was  D2JSP, where one person profited financially and trades were not secure.  You might get a refund from d2jsp if you got scammed, but that's a major hassle.

 

4)  He's not even a fan of the genre and thus he clearly wasn't a serious online D2 player and doesn't understand the appeal.  Which is why he sees TL2, with an open BNET type of system, and POE which also is online only,as comparable.

 

If you want a simple single player hack&slash and aren't that interested in the genre, like Total Biscuit, then definitely buy Torchlight 2 for $20.  But don't take his review as being a well informed critique of the genre or the game.

He's actually sounds like a pretty nice guy I think. He wasn't being offensive about it. He even said that he can see why people like Diablo 3.

I like Diablo 3, but other people don't so what.? [mod edit]

  heartless

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5/17/12 2:50:15 AM#37
Originally posted by SuperXero89
Originally posted by joocheese
Originally posted by SuperXero89

"People took DAYS off work to play this game, and as a result of Blizzard's decisions, they're not able to do so!"  So, I'm annoyed on behalf of them.  It is, in fact, possible to feel empathy for people folks, it really is."

Jesus, really?  He feels empathy for mature adults who called in sick from work to stay at home to play a video game?  This is just a mere sample of the sensationalist bandwagon jumping nonsense he hops on every now and again that I can only assume is a mad grab for channel views.  It really goes to show you what an absolute fool the man is.

You may not agree with the adults who took time off to play a video game, but regardless of the reason, if anyone took time off to enjoy any hobby and then were not able due to not fault of their own but the company that provided the hobby, I would feel empathy for them. They probably lost a sick/vacation day or lost a little pay. Some may take time off to go to Dinsey World with their familes, others will take time off to play video games with their kids, family members, or friends. Either way, if both situations were ruined I would indeed feel bad for them.

Are we honestly comparing taking off work to sit around and play Diablo 3 to taking a vacation to Disney World?  I know where all gamers, but sweet mary, that's not even close to the same thing.

If you take work to go see a movie, to go fishing, or to play video games and something prevents you from doing so, you have no one to blame but yourself for your lost productivity.  Those people made a conscious choice to skip work for a day to play a video game, and now they must suffer the repercussions for doing so.  If they're not able to accept what they've lost then they really weren't mature enough to decide to skip in the first place.

The fact is that customers could not play the game when it was released. Their reasons for taking off work, losing productivity and whatever else are irrelevent. Customers could not use the product they paid for. It's a simple as that.

  demongoat

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5/17/12 2:56:47 AM#38
Originally posted by FrodoFragins

I generally appreciate his input, but this review/rant is a total hack job of misinformation.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9WbqdYuba4&feature=plcp

 

He has several misconceptions/biases about D3.

 

1) He seems to think the scene can hack the game to be playable offline.  That's an absolute joke.  The best they can do is make it easier to connect to a server emulation once they are written.  I don't think he even grasps server/client relationships.

 

2) He seems to only care about the game as a single player game.  As such, he doesn't care about item hacking or bnet cheating.  He completely minimizes the benefit of storing all characters on their servers and running most of the code on their servers.  That doesn't mean that

 

3) He only sees the evils of the RMAH and completely ignores the gold AH.  Ever tried trading items in D2.  the options were to create a game name with the trade you wanted, but if it wasn't elite good luck.  The other popular method was  D2JSP, where one person profited financially and trades were not secure.  You might get a refund from d2jsp if you got scammed, but that's a major hassle.

 

4)  He's not even a fan of the genre and thus he clearly wasn't a serious online D2 player and doesn't understand the appeal.  Which is why he sees TL2, with an open BNET type of system, and POE which also is online only,as comparable.

 

If you want a simple single player hack&slash and aren't that interested in the genre, like Total Biscuit, then definitely buy Torchlight 2 for $20.  But don't take his review as being a well informed critique of the genre or the game.

1. well it is a good thing he didn't say that then, what he did say was the "scene" would "crack" the game.  which i assume was his short hand for finding a way to make the game playable on something other than blizzard servers, usually this is done in myriad ways.  in fact they had "cracked" the game, prior to may 15th, so he was right in fact.

i'd post more about it but eh, i'm not sure if i should.  there is already a few emulators anyway.

 

2.  what are you talking about? he brings up hacking and bnet cheating, just because he didn't bang on about it to your satisfaction doesn't mean he didn't.  like most people, including i bet quite a few people here,  he was highly conserned and unhappy with the lack of single player and need for internet connection, since that is a big deal in general.

i mean blizzard already had a solution to the hacking and bnet issues: don't play on open games, that really did minimize the issues d1 had when they made d2.   you can't stop hacking entirely, it would be an impossible task, but closed bnet helped remove most of it.

 

3. yes because we should be more concerned about backroom dealing that every game has over the game company saying basically that intangable bits on hardrives are worth real life money and they design the whole game around that concept.

one is bad and can cause harm to a game potentially, the other is the GAME COMPANY creating a system that legitimizes one of the worst things 90% of the people on this website complain about.    yeah yeah, people sell gold, but the amount of people who do it is small, on the other hand the company doing something like it is far worse.

 

4. wow... just wow.  is that really the best you have? really?  i wasn't a serious d2 player either, that must be why i find your whining to be painful at best and horribly blind at the least.

seems to me he isn't a fan of DIABLO 3, not the genre, unless you are so much of a blizzard fanboy that you think the genre is made up of only blizard games.

TL2, PoE are part of the genre! my god man, please think before you post.

also stop being a hack and slash snob, TL2 and PoE are good games, so is titan, and dungeon seige.  claiming "you arem't interested in the genre" because you aren't happy with what blizzard did, is downright assine and well... stupid, poorly thought out and sounds like whining.

what he said is true, nearly all of it, while i liked the game i'm not buying it because of what blizzard did, they killed half the reason i'd play it, namely lan play.

  calranthe

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5/17/12 2:58:14 AM#39
Originally posted by FrodoFragins

I generally appreciate his input, but this review/rant is a total hack job of misinformation.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9WbqdYuba4&feature=plcp

 

He has several misconceptions/biases about D3.

 

1) He seems to think the scene can hack the game to be playable offline.  That's an absolute joke.  The best they can do is make it easier to connect to a server emulation once they are written.  I don't think he even grasps server/client relationships.

 

2) He seems to only care about the game as a single player game.  As such, he doesn't care about item hacking or bnet cheating.  He completely minimizes the benefit of storing all characters on their servers and running most of the code on their servers.  That doesn't mean that

 

3) He only sees the evils of the RMAH and completely ignores the gold AH.  Ever tried trading items in D2.  the options were to create a game name with the trade you wanted, but if it wasn't elite good luck.  The other popular method was  D2JSP, where one person profited financially and trades were not secure.  You might get a refund from d2jsp if you got scammed, but that's a major hassle.

 

4)  He's not even a fan of the genre and thus he clearly wasn't a serious online D2 player and doesn't understand the appeal.  Which is why he sees TL2, with an open BNET type of system, and POE which also is online only,as comparable.

 

If you want a simple single player hack&slash and aren't that interested in the genre, like Total Biscuit, then definitely buy Torchlight 2 for $20.  But don't take his review as being a well informed critique of the genre or the game.

 

Your last paragraph completely negated anything good you said, Torchlight 2 is co-op, IS offline friendly, Will release with a dev kit, has pets that work (not a gimmick) actually useful and does more to innovate the genre than anything blizzard ever does but keep on going.

 

 

 

 

  demongoat

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5/17/12 3:05:57 AM#40
Originally posted by calranthe
Your last paragraph completely negated anything good you said, Torchlight 2 is co-op, IS offline friendly, Will release with a dev kit, has pets that work (not a gimmick) actually useful and does more to innovate the genre than anything blizzard ever does but keep on going.

 

 

 

 

the only reason he looks down on TL2 is because of how it looks and it isn't by blizzard, dare i say he sounds elitist?

like people looking down on WoW for being cartoony? :)

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