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General Gaming  » Neither Blizzard, nor valve should be allowed to use DotA! -Poll-

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  Divion

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5/11/12 11:23:19 PM#1

THATS RIGHT I SAID IT

<<AND THIS IS WHY!>>

 

Why do companies want to steal the popularity of the titles when they did nothing for it in the begining? Greedy bastards! Make an orignal name, and leave the title DotA alone, it's NOT yours! FATTIES!

Who does the name "DotA" belong to?

Blizzard, it was created using their editor for their game after all.
Valve, they employed IceFrog who was the longest running modder of the series
Riot, they employeed Guinsoo who streamlined the series with out him, there would be no DotA genre.
Eul - The mystery man who began it all
The community!
This poll is now about Rammus.
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  getona

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5/11/12 11:36:10 PM#2

Obivouslly Blizzard. read the World Editor EULA.

  Aori

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5/11/12 11:46:35 PM#3

If anyone were to have a claim to it, it would be blizzard. Though its best if it were to stay with the community, it is more of a cultural thang than anything else.

  warmaster670

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5/11/12 11:53:36 PM#4
Originally posted by Aori

If anyone were to have a claim to it, it would be blizzard. Though its best if it were to stay with the community, it is more of a cultural thang than anything else.

Blizzard has no more claim to it than anyone else, it being a mod for their game doesnt mean they own it.

 

Originally posted by getona

Obivouslly Blizzard. read the World Editor EULA.

So your sayiong if i make a star wars mod for a blizzard game they now own star wars? good luck holding that one up in court, just because its a mod for a blizzard game doesnt mean blizzard owns all rights to it.

Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.

  Purutzil

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5/11/12 11:59:07 PM#5

Voted riot but in truth its more so the community. Dota itself wasn't created exactly just by one person and brought up. There was a lot of different hands that shaped it up and turned it into what it was. There is no real founding 'company' that made it, so it can't really be claimed by anyone, and people who just 'mod' the game and built it up can't exactly be claimed to 'own' it either. Its one of those deals due to its upbringing you can't really claim it as your own I feel.  The company that seems to hold the most 'claim' rights to it would be blizzard due to it being Wc3 origin custom map, but even then I don't feel they deserve that brand.

  xr00t3dx

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5/12/12 12:01:39 AM#6
Originally posted by warmaster670
So your sayiong if i make a star wars mod for a blizzard game they now own star wars? good luck holding that one up in court, just because its a mod for a blizzard game doesnt mean blizzard owns all rights to it.

Talk about out of context. 

  User Deleted
5/12/12 12:04:02 AM#7

It's clear that Blizzard knows that Valve owns it.

  dubyahite

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5/12/12 12:27:02 AM#8
In a case like this, I think all rights should automatically revert to EA.....

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  Divion

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5/12/12 12:33:06 AM#9
Originally posted by Purutzil

Voted riot but in truth its more so the community. Dota itself wasn't created exactly just by one person and brought up. There was a lot of different hands that shaped it up and turned it into what it was. There is no real founding 'company' that made it, so it can't really be claimed by anyone, and people who just 'mod' the game and built it up can't exactly be claimed to 'own' it either. Its one of those deals due to its upbringing you can't really claim it as your own I feel.  The company that seems to hold the most 'claim' rights to it would be blizzard due to it being Wc3 origin custom map, but even then I don't feel they deserve that brand.

+1

  Aori

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5/12/12 12:48:09 AM#10
Originally posted by warmaster670
Originally posted by Aori

If anyone were to have a claim to it, it would be blizzard. Though its best if it were to stay with the community, it is more of a cultural thang than anything else.

Blizzard has no more claim to it than anyone else, it being a mod for their game doesnt mean they own it.

Meant they have the most claim to it than anyone in particular do to the wording of their eula. I did mention however it should stay with the community.

  Divion

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5/12/12 12:56:46 AM#11

Running the same poll here : http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=24198637#post24198637

The response are a bit insane, that forum full of trolls, but the poll itself has over 200 votes, so interesting to see those numbers

  Aori

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5/12/12 1:05:27 AM#12
Originally posted by Divion

Running the same poll here : http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=24198637#post24198637

The response are a bit insane, that forum full of trolls, but the poll itself has over 200 votes, so interesting to see those numbers

You really shouldn't waste your time on the LoL crowd, they make the MMORPG haters look like cabbage patch kids.

  Zillen

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5/12/12 1:21:07 AM#13


Originally posted by warmaster670


Originally posted by Aori
If anyone were to have a claim to it, it would be blizzard. Though its best if it were to stay with the community, it is more of a cultural thang than anything else.

Blizzard has no more claim to it than anyone else, it being a mod for their game doesnt mean they own it.
 

Originally posted by getona
Obivouslly Blizzard. read the World Editor EULA.



So your sayiong if i make a star wars mod for a blizzard game they now own star wars? good luck holding that one up in court, just because its a mod for a blizzard game doesnt mean blizzard owns all rights to it.

You're a fool. The minute DotA's creator touched the mod tools, anything he made was under the legal jurisdiction and ownership of Blizzard Entertainment. They have the ONLY claim to the bloody game: as the above said, READ THE TERMS OF SERVICE. Every single mod created for a Blizzard game is Blizzard's to control at their leisure; just because you created a game idea, doesn't mean you can use another game's editor and call it yours.

If Valve, or any of the above besides Blizzard wanted the rights to DotA, they should have made their own original game. Though Blizzard's superpower status has been abused at times, this is a textbook case of complaining because the modder took the cheap route out instead of making his own game. Anybody who claims Blizzard has no rights to it is just trying to rip off the Warcraft franchise - to make a game conceptualised in Blizzard territory without their permission would be copyright infringement.

And as for your star wars example, this only exemplifies your inaccurate research. Star Wars is its own IP; it already exists as a concept, and is already governed by LucasArts. This modder tried to create an original game USING BLIZZARD'S GAME, BLIZZARD'S MOD TOOLS AND BLIZZARD'S EULA.

Done. Case goes to Blizzard. 100000-1 It's not happening any other way.


I'm really sick of the whole "There's a massive fanbase for X", or "Y would be a WoW-killer if it just had a chance".

There is no massive conspiracy waiting in the MMO playerbase.

There are no "sleeper-agent fans" waiting to convert once the X or Y is unleashed on the world.

  Divion

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Joined: 9/09/10
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Those that never took a chance, never had a chance -

 
5/12/12 3:28:41 AM#14
Originally posted by Aori
Originally posted by Divion

Running the same poll here : http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=24198637#post24198637

The response are a bit insane, that forum full of trolls, but the poll itself has over 200 votes, so interesting to see those numbers

You really shouldn't waste your time on the LoL crowd, they make the MMORPG haters look like cabbage patch kids.

+1

This is very true,  but i'm a member for both  the MMORPG and MOBA communities, while i respect MMORPG -ALLOT- more then MOBA Players, the vileness in MOBA communties is off the charts ~ It made sense to ask it there as well ~ Furthermore, trolls aside, the numbers are interesting (Omitting the last option). 

  Ashen_X

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Posts: 365

5/12/12 8:26:53 AM#15

Who does it belong to ?

 

None of the above.

 

Blizzard might be able to lay claim to the functionality of DotA, but the proper noun that constitutes its name is something else entirely.

Other game companies which have subsequently employed those who developed DotA ? You have to be kidding right ? Does my current boss own the short story I wrote, and that my English teacher printed in my high-school newspaper, 25 years ago ? 

The "community ?" Do they exist as a legal entity ? Who is considered a member of, "the community ?" Can individual members of this, "community," sell their interest in the name DotA ?

 

The answer to the question is, whoever created the name and made a point to protect their creation.

When all has been said and done, more will have been said than done.

  Shoju

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Joined: 8/09/06
Posts: 743

5/12/12 8:29:12 AM#16

It all belongs to Al Gore.  He invented the internet.

  Loke666

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Joined: 10/29/07
Posts: 15536

5/12/12 8:30:33 AM#17

Personally I think everyone should have the right to it. Both Blizzard and Valve should be able to use the name.

If anyone have the right to it otherwise it should be the guy who invented it.

  Kalfer

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Joined: 3/09/11
Posts: 748

5/12/12 8:31:54 AM#18
Originally posted by warmaster670
Originally posted by Aori

If anyone were to have a claim to it, it would be blizzard. Though its best if it were to stay with the community, it is more of a cultural thang than anything else.

Blizzard has no more claim to it than anyone else, it being a mod for their game doesnt mean they own it.

 

Originally posted by getona

Obivouslly Blizzard. read the World Editor EULA.

So your sayiong if i make a star wars mod for a blizzard game they now own star wars? good luck holding that one up in court, just because its a mod for a blizzard game doesnt mean blizzard owns all rights to it.

You don't have to be a liar to see how silly that analogy is. Star Wars is an already owned copyrighted property. Where is the validation in your argument?

  Loke666

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5/12/12 8:31:58 AM#19
Originally posted by Shoju

It all belongs to Al Gore.  He invented the internet.

Well, at least he didn't invent the lying politician...Those have existed since the dawn of civilization.

  Loke666

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5/12/12 8:35:53 AM#20
Originally posted by Kalfer

You don't have to be a liar to see how silly that analogy is. Star Wars is an already owned copyrighted property. Where is the validation in your argument?

Yeah, but it still feels wrong to own someone elses idea just because they put it into your world editor.

If I put in some Japanese manga world with no western publisher they would own it due to your logic since Japanese copyright only works in Japan.

If Blizzard want to owe the name they should actually pay the inventor, just like anyone else.

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