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  Dawnstar

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5/13/12 3:06:48 AM#121

I'm enjoying Tera at the moment, but it is still pretty grindy to me.  The combat is fun, but ultimately the game is a filler till GW2 which has combat that is fun (to me at least), fantastic graphics, and doesn't feel like a grind.  The world feels like a living, breathing world to me, and that is what I would like to see more of in the future.

  vee41

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There is no pie.

5/13/12 4:44:42 AM#122
Originally posted by Warmaker

That said, Tera, IMO, is not the future of MMORPG gaming.  I can see combat inspiring later stuff, but the rest of the game isn't really breaking any ground.

And neither do GW2 and SWTOR, most esp. the latter.

The genre as a whole isn't looking at the future.  It's still trying to figure out and do what Blizzard did in 2004.  Nobody in the AAA field of MMORPG development has the sack to do anything different.

The reason so many people are excited about GW2 because it is breaking new grounds. It's innovations are not in the level of "Ooh, we added flying horsies!" or anything shallow like that but go much, much deeper to very core of MMO's.

First, there is no 'endgame'. You can do pretty much the same things in level 1 as you can at level 80. Progression and advancing your character is not main focus of the game.

Second, social enviroment. Most other MMO mechanics make players disperse, perhaps by puttign them in seperate instances, perhaps with mechanics like mob tagging and other mechanics that breed hostility. GW2 does away with that, it actually put players on same side against the world. It is handsdown the FRIENDLIEST MMO enviroment I've ever been in.

Third,  removing the tedium. There is no reason to 'grind' anything, run same dungeon over and over again or keep repeating same quests. Player can focus on whatever he feels is interesting and get rewarded for that.

Fourth, fun. They looked at things people do most of their time in MMO's and managed to make them fun. There are lot of little features that make life just that much easier and make you focus on the fun things.

GW2 can be really hard to understand, it requires a whole new approach from players to actually enjoy it to it's full potential. But it's really hard to deny that GW2 does not do things different after you've played it and realized that :)

 

  Wickedjelly

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5/13/12 5:19:19 AM#123

Not for me.

Could give a rat's ass about TERA. Nothing about it outside of BAMs piqued my interest in the least.

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  Otomox

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5/13/12 6:34:22 AM#124
Originally posted by tares
Originally posted by Saxx0n
Originally posted by lordathon

Not trolling about a title... just the game types.

What we are expecting is just what we all want to see and experience. Even when some of us dont want to say it.

- Excelent graphics

- Major excelence for the game engine

- great speed conection servers

- large community...

- no bugs (ok, those stupid walls...)

- Ok... those instanced territories are not so great. Really, on a Pk world with an instanced environment. what did u meant guys?

I think action play base for MMORPG  is for the moment the real thing. All the rest is just more of the same.

I know the questy base is a bit stupid, but is a way. Hopping for news from the eldest/eastern world, like always on this business.

I was hoping a bit of mix classes (hmm gw2, lol), but ok im "old school" and i wanted a more complicated game, but it's ok.

btw..im a 20+y gamer... just a bit respect for my opinion. ^-^

Not trolling about a title... just the game types.

nice gaming

 

Edit: the SW in the title meant for "The Secret World", or you know what...

HELL YEAH!   lol

 

edit- If this is the case they may want to get more than 11 servers for NA. Oh wait half of those are low to empty, nevermind.

Korean MMOs seem to put way more players on a server than Eastern MMOs.   Aion seemed like a grind fest and didn't have many servers but it is one of the most played MMOs today in the east.

IMO if they made a hit box MMO that played like god of war, NG, or DMC and had some type of end game it would own.  I'm playing Tera atm but I looking at what is going live in korea, there won't be much to keep players.  Why are MMOs releasing without an endgame.   The content after leveling should extend the game at least 5 times.   No raids? NP have random itomized loot on the bosses like diablo 2 and people will run them over and over.

Why are ppl with no facts posting. Tera had no end game when it released in korea nowdays it has plenty and the NA/Eu started with like 90% of the things from k tera..

  Volkon

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Facts do not require fiction for balance.

5/13/12 9:58:50 AM#125
Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Not for me.

Could give a rat's ass about TERA. Nothing about it outside of BAMs piqued my interest in the least.

How many rats did you have to kill to complete that quest?

Oderint, dum metuant.

  Heinz130

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War...war never change

5/13/12 12:06:32 PM#126
Originally posted by Volkon
Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Not for me.

Could give a rat's ass about TERA. Nothing about it outside of BAMs piqued my interest in the least.

How many rats did you have to kill to complete that quest?

LOL...

btw

One word: Archeage

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  Lord_Athon

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Homer: You maybe a smart girl Lisa, but you don't know much about hurt people's feelings

 
OP  5/13/12 1:30:27 PM#127
Originally posted by Sora2810

Your opinion is repected OP. One point; MMO's major differently than other genre's. MMO's cover a wide spectrum of gameplay elements into one. Planetside is an MMO, but it has FPS elements and barely uses a hotbar. Looking at several MMO's side by side, you can tell, day and night contrasts, that they are distinctly different. 

However, other genre's do have their differences. When you play an FPS you expect the left mouse/right trigger to fire. You expect a system that can tell you how much ammo you have left. Dont get me wrong, FPS's have the oddballs too. Minecraft is *kinda* considered an FPS, but putting it side-by-side with Call of Battlefield: Halo of war, you can tell they are different.

In short; MMO's vary greatly from themselves. So it's hard to determine the future for the genre overall. The only real ways to predict a future would be payment models, the way MMO's are developed and distributed. Example; EvE players view MMO experience far differently than Tera/WoW/TSW/TOR/. . . players. What they consider the future, might not be what you consider it as.  

Finaly someone to discuss :)

I agree about the diference between mmo's or,  as you say, the wide spectrum of gameplay elements into one. I've allready noticed that ^-^, but my point was about some of the features that a game like Tera has. Im not talking about the theme, is it sci-fi, fantasy or more realistic, i was trying to talk about the basics of a game. I know i didnt argue about the quest system on Tera, but i think thats obvious, that discussion about sandboxs/themeparks will be endless, till a title presents us with a new solution, 50-50 or something totally new.

I've seen most of the replys and i havent read one talking about the game engine. I'm not a speciallist, not even a "curious", but i play(ed) several games and i can understand that Tera has one great/powerfull engine.

 As someone said on another reply, im an Aion fan, i really am, but probably im more asian method fan. Huge graphics, great gameplay, with lots of unfinished issues, but thats the bussiness. I could talk about archage, it will never be ended, but thats another discussion.

The payment model, ok i know that PW is a monster building and destroying games. But one thing is certain, they make money, lots of it. And probably the "future" is free2play, or pay2win, or just shopping fancy unnecessary objects, but i know and you know that there's no company which their first goal is losing money. We all need it to live and... 

Still about features of Tera, what do you think about that political system? Voting for a governor...

  Lord_Athon

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Homer: You maybe a smart girl Lisa, but you don't know much about hurt people's feelings

 
OP  5/13/12 1:33:06 PM#128
Originally posted by Clerigo

If TERA is the future, then give me a second need to call a person here..

*picks up cell phone...bip bip bip bip bip...tuuuuuu...tuuuuuuuuuuu...tuuuuuuuuuuuuuu..

- Hello?

- Whos calling?

- Dock Brown, is that you?

- Yes. Whos this?

- Im in trouble Doc. Some guy here says TERA is the future!!

- Great Scott!! The future has beem altered. Hold on a moment im gonna go get Marty and..

- No Doc. There is no time. TERA is upn us. We need to go back and fix this one!

- Great Scott!! You are right. Im on the way. Need to find some trash to power the DeLorean. And, Clerigo?

- Yes Doc?

- We will be going to 1947 and have a chat with Mr. Goldsmith. Can you bring a copy of TERA so we can better explain this paradigma?

- It is still on beta Doc...

- Great Scott!

Hmm Matosinhos... yeah...

btw gratz for the "referee" wining. lol

  Volkon

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Facts do not require fiction for balance.

5/13/12 1:33:41 PM#129
Originally posted by Heinz130
Originally posted by Volkon
Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Not for me.

Could give a rat's ass about TERA. Nothing about it outside of BAMs piqued my interest in the least.

How many rats did you have to kill to complete that quest?

LOL...

btw

One word: Archeage

Archaverage?  (My attempt to coing a new meme)

 

Meh... different style of game from GW2, I won't be bothering with it. I hope it's ungodly successful though, we need more games that shake up the genre to a degree.

Oderint, dum metuant.

  Lord_Athon

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Homer: You maybe a smart girl Lisa, but you don't know much about hurt people's feelings

 
OP  5/13/12 1:48:06 PM#130
Originally posted by KulEndSpycee

 

(...)

"large community..." Not too sure about this as an aggregate raw number since it's a niche game, but the fact that content is meant to be run with 5 people and not say, 40 or 200 makes even a moderate amount of people online seem like a huge population. And as a wise man once said, it doesn't matter what your population is if you never see any of them. Look at SWTOR, the MMO with the 2nd most players in the west even after population drops and it still feels less populated than private servers because of how it is set up. Seperation of factions hasn't worked since WoW, cross server and LFG tools are now mandatory, and instancing for pve zones is where the future is heading. Tera's open world dungeons are also a nice addition that hearkens back to early MMO's.

(...)

Finally someone "reads the message".

And to value your opinion, i really hate that instaced/chanell world. I just dont get it, why can be a pk system with this?

  Archid

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5/13/12 1:48:15 PM#131

Bullshit, Tera is nothing. Same shit with different combat... The thing which bothered me the most was the likeness of Aion... I mean the whole story and questline system was straight from Aion. Something fresh was the open dungeons, but even them was nothing new. And the so called combat fell too off its own... I mean the constant animation locks for certain strikes etc.. The pvp was horrible because of that. PVE was too easy yet some of the mobs did give some challenge.

GW2 did give us more fluid combat, even if it was tab targeing. You could move and cast... Not stand still and cast / pefrorm animation or spell...

the best way to kill a troll is to FLAME ON! ...or with acid...

  Lord_Athon

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Homer: You maybe a smart girl Lisa, but you don't know much about hurt people's feelings

 
OP  5/13/12 2:05:09 PM#132
Originally posted by Irus
Originally posted by lordathon

What we are expecting is just what we all want to see and experience. Even when some of us dont want to say it.

Unbelievably, there are people who do not like what you like, or simply people who do not necessarily reflect the forum community. I really do not appreciate other people telling me what I want.

- Excelent graphics

This is something a lot of people get wrong. Most of us care far less about the graphics (i.e., the shader quality, whether it uses DirectX 11, and how much of my hardware it eats up), but what we do care about is style. Which is why I, to this day, find WoW an acceptable-looking game with beautiful visuals despite the fact that it uses very little polygons.

I have no interest in Tera because the graphics STYLE (the thing that actually matters) is effing terrible.

- Major excelence for the game engine

Err, what?

- great speed conection servers

This is something I have never ever worried about in any MMORPG to date.

- large community...

If a game has such a small community that it actually matters it's probably a lousy game anyway.

- no bugs (ok, those stupid walls...)

No MMO was ruined for me by bugs. That includes WAR.

I think action play base for MMORPG  is for the moment the real thing. All the rest is just more of the same.

While most MMO's could definitely use an update to their combat, what you're saying implies that people never find turn-based RPG's interesting. Nevertheless, games like BG and NWN did just fine.

 

Ok, what?!

I really dont get the people who starts to say that other interests dont mean anything to him/her, and after tries to tell that the other opinions are completely wrong or have a lack of subject.

I almost didnt read it, but... ^-^

So you're telling that the graphic quality is not an issue, whan playing a game. It's not when you a have a 5 second lag. Than the graphics are not important. And i dont give my opinion about wow graphics, just because it's an older game and i was changing the subject, as you did.

About the rest, omg, thats just your opinion, and i respect it.

 

  spiralpen

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5/13/12 2:27:29 PM#133
Theses threads sucks. cause people like different systems... like how some people like fpses while others like only simulator games. so thats why there is different games. i love tera the best though , still thats just one girls opinion.
  Lord_Athon

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Homer: You maybe a smart girl Lisa, but you don't know much about hurt people's feelings

 
OP  5/13/12 7:12:03 PM#134
Originally posted by spiralpen
Theses threads sucks. cause people like different systems... like how some people like fpses while others like only simulator games. so thats why there is different games. i love tera the best though , still thats just one girls opinion.

But thats why we can have diferent opinions.

Presenting it and why i have it, it's great gamer or actually a normal citizen exercize. And respecting others opinions and be tolerant with some nasty words, is really being an adult... i think. But thats just one boy's opinion.

  Irus

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5/13/12 7:27:05 PM#135
Originally posted by lordathon

I really dont get the people who starts to say that other interests dont mean anything to him/her, and after tries to tell that the other opinions are completely wrong or have a lack of subject.

 

The difference is that I didn't say everyone else shares my opinion. He did.

Having an opinion is fine. You love graphics that murder your computer? You love how Tera looks? That's fine. But don't tell me that's what I thnk or should think or what some ethereal communtiy cares about or any other rubbish like that.

Originally posted by lordathon

is really being an adult...

Using this phrase really tells more about you than anyone needs to know...

  jtcgs

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5/13/12 7:34:57 PM#136
Originally posted by lordathon

Not trolling about a title... just the game types.

What game type...

What we are expecting is just what we all want to see and experience. Even when some of us dont want to say it.

Who are we and who amongst we told you what we want?

- Excelent graphics

Cutesy anime games have been around for a number of years, hasnt taken root and it wont.

- Major excelence for the game engine

Old game engine, not near the best.

- great speed conection servers

No better than most

- large community...

Compared to what? SWTOR...

- no bugs (ok, those stupid walls...)

Except the bugs it has...its a year old game, its not supposed to have a lot of bugs

Fanboys need to tone it down a bit, you are not going to trick many people into thinking the game is pure gold if you cant provide anything solid when you are talking about how its better than sex.

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  jehuty148

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Joined: 4/18/12
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5/13/12 7:36:44 PM#137
Originally posted by lordathon

Not trolling about a title... just the game types.

What we are expecting is just what we all want to see and experience. Even when some of us dont want to say it.

- Excelent graphics

- Major excelence for the game engine

- great speed conection servers

- large community...

- no bugs (ok, those stupid walls...)

- Ok... those instanced territories are not so great. Really, on a Pk world with an instanced environment. what did u meant guys?

I think action play base for MMORPG  is for the moment the real thing. All the rest is just more of the same.

I know the questy base is a bit stupid, but is a way. Hopping for news from the eldest/eastern world, like always on this business.

I was hoping a bit of mix classes (hmm gw2, lol), but ok im "old school" and i wanted a more complicated game, but it's ok.

btw..im a 20+y gamer... just a bit respect for my opinion. ^-^

Not trolling about a title... just the game types.

nice gaming

 

Edit: the SW in the title meant for "The Secret World", or you know what...

every other half descent mmo that comes out people say this is gonna be the next gen mmo as they said for the star wars mmo and its dieing slowly and a bunch of others all and all their r alot of good ones everyone has their own opinion so all i got to say is    GAMES ARE FUN THEY ARE MY WAY TO RELAX AND REFRAIN FROM WORK :gw2 panetside 2 Tera    etc etc  all of them are good mmo's   

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