So DA3 is shelved to help TOR. I have more to say than I'm going to so I'll just leave it with you guys.

http://www.develop-online.net/news/40736/Pachter-Dragon-Age-3-devs-loaned-to-SWTOR

"Michael Pachter believes that Bioware transferred developers from Dragon Age 3 to work MMO Star Wars: The Old Republic."

So he does not know this for a fact. It's all unfounded speculation?

well good DA2 was a pile of bunk god knows what they would have done with DA3...

Considering what a colossal POS DA2 was, anything putting DA3 on hold is a good thing.

Not like too many fans would be buying another DA game after getting suckered the last time.

In the end, I don't think it matters much: TOR needs a fundamental redesign in many areas for it to have any chance of avoiding the undistinguished fate it looks to have coming.

And I doubt it will happen.

I hope the Devs that are brought over  are not outsourced 3rd world people coding for a bowl of rice every day.

Tbh after DA2 and ME3 I am not too eager too see DA3. I just don't see any hint that Bioware learned their lesson.

They really need a good ol' fashioned mass firing. While Bioware isnt the Bioware of old, I'm sure that there is at least a few decent developers still there that would most likley be getting drowned out by management and other idiots.

They realy should go back to the closed small/mid developer that works on a single title until its done, even if it is still under the EA umbrella. While a lot needs to be done to SWTOR to keep it alive long term, if they actually start turning the game in the right direction, even slowly it might have a chance. If they keep going ahead with rushed crap spawned by idiots it will not.

Originally posted by Elikal

Tbh after DA2 and ME3 I am not too eager too see DA3. I just don't see any hint that Bioware learned their lesson.

TBH, they did eat a bit of humble pie due to overwhelming DA2-ME2-ME3 "feedback" saying they are gonna look at their "vault" and games they made before, all the way to BGs.

It might have stricken them that they took...dark path ;P

Guess well have to wait and see, though now ill think very hard before buying any BW game, and they will have to be very convincing and reassuring about going to their roots and making good games in past.

Sad news even if predictable.

And I still don't understand why people hate DA2 so much. I've seen worse games, much worse. The story wasn't particularly great, of course, but the skill system was definitely better than in DA:O. Combat was more intensive and more interesting. The only thing I missed was tactical camera but I could live w/o it. In DA:O you outleveled encounters around L10 and starting from that point the game became ever easier even on Nightmare. In DA2 BioWare fixed enemy leveling curve.

The ship is sinking! We need more captains!

As a developer myself, do people seriously not understand that adding MORE people to a development team will only complicate the process and protentially slow down development? 

Remember this?

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/03/08/behind-the-scenes-of-star-wars-the-old-republic-throwing-people-at-the-problem/

Because that worked out SO well for them the first time.

It's like EA never fucking learns

Not really a surprise though. SWTOR is EAs only cash cow until the next quarter. Gotta save TORtanic, one dev at a time

Most likely the lack of funds due to TOR related major income losses is the reason.

Anyway..  i dont think players will loose much. After DA2 piece of crap the Draogn Age franchise got an heavy blow. DA2 was so badly done, so out of the initial DA that it was almost sad.

Same happened with the Mass Effect IP..

Originally posted by wowfan1996

Sad news even if predictable.

And I still don't understand why people hate DA2 so much. I've seen worse games, much worse. The story wasn't particularly great, of course, but the skill system was definitely better than in DA:O. Combat was more intensive and more interesting. The only thing I missed was tactical camera but I could live w/o it. In DA:O you outleveled encounters around L10 and starting from that point the game became ever easier even on Nightmare. In DA2 BioWare fixed enemy leveling curve.

They have been slowly stripping out the RPG elements of the game upto the ponit were DA2 basically has none.. it was a shallow nasty game..

Cant wait for the Baulder Gate enhanced edition.. back to the old proper RPG games :)

Oh, and can I also add that this is indicative of everything EA stands for?

Abandoning potential long-term games for short term profit while focusing on useless aspect of their current project (Legacy system)

THIS IS EA IN A GOD DAMN NUTSHELL. Behold in all its calamity 

I'm not sure it would bother me if its true. I mean, after DA2, SWTOR, and the ending to ME3 I have lost all confidence in Bioware to be honest. ME3 was a great game up untill the ending but thier stance on the ending, even when people have showed them the flaws over and over again realy disapointed me. Even if Bioware would have said "our ending isnt complete bullshit and here is why" I would have gained alittle respect back for them. But since they just say "Nope we are proud of our pile of shit deal with it", plus the other debacles lately, I just do not trust them anymore as an RPG company.

Implosion is an interesting phenomenon to witness.

Actually it is a pretty smart move if done right and we do not know how small or lagre the dev team for DA3 was.. it might be the "simple" task of moving some senior team leaders from the dev teams over to the live teams, this would ofc leave the development of DA3 on a hiatus until the can free up named rescources again.

I am pretty sure they moved development team leaders and project managers from SW:Tor and ME3 to DA3 once those projects were done and it might simply be  a matter of bringing these people back to SW:ToR. 

Not saying it will do any good, just that it is the most logic path to follow especially if they are going to try and pull of something major on ToR, then they need peopole who are familiar with the project.

As a fan of BW and SWTOR, I think they are doing a good job. Where they are falling short is server population. They made to many servers to begin with and now are faced with dissatisfied customers on the small ones. They will correct this problem, and the game will go on to greatness.

No matter what BioWare does they can never save this game. 

The engine they built it on itself was a failure right from the start, mostly why this game failed.

Dragon Age 1 & 2, ME 1-3, KOTOR 1 & 2, etc. Every game made by BioWare was just atrocious and absolutely terrible imo, even the Baldur's gate series wasn't all that great.

Let's face it people, BioWare can NEVER make a good game, let alone fix a game that was a complete disaster from the start.

The ship of the Tortanic has been sinking for quite a while and it's only a matter of time before it fully sinks (server's shut down,) or it becomes a sightseeing tour of the mess (goes f2p.)

Originally posted by Caldrin

well good DA2 was a pile of bunk god knows what they would have done with DA3...

It wasn´t that bad. Sure, it only had 2 NPCs that werent annoying windbags and the game was far too short but it had some good points at least.

Kinda sad since NPCs have always been what Bioware do best... But it night be a misstake comparing DA with BG and NWN, Bioware have nowadays 3 new studios and the "classic BW" makes Mass effect.

I'd rather see them spend there time on making TOR better honestly. DA2 has put me off of the Dragon age series, with EABioware being a different type of Bioware I really don't see myself even glancing at info about DA3 and I'm likely to give it an instant pass.

TOR on the other hand is a game I would like to see improved. I crave a space MMO but I'm not into an EvE type of MMO (it's just not my thing).