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  AdamTM

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I'M PUNCHING YOUR SALAD!!!!

5/09/12 6:29:26 AM#41
Originally posted by Xzen
Originally posted by stevebmbsqd
Originally posted by Xzen
Originally posted by stevebmbsqd
Originally posted by Xzen
Originally posted by Unreal024
Originally posted by Xzen

The only thing required to be a sandbox is the use of ones imagination and the ability to create or alter the game world as part of the game's mechanics. It has nothing to do with being non-linear, skill progression, or Full loot PvP. All those things lend themselves well to a sandbox but do not make a sandbox what it is.

You may as well just give up Xzen, your not going to change anyone's mind. You know that I and many others agree with you, we know that an ES MMO would never have been a sandbox. We can see that, if you take away the open character progression, TES games have always played very much like your average themepark. That's good enough, let them moan. Eventually, after actually trying the game, they'll understand that the game won't be lacking because it's not a sandbox, but because they're ripping out the features that would have made it somewhat unique in the world of themeparks.

I know I know. But every time I see the term used incorrectly I'm going to come out and tell them to get off my lawn.

Unfortunately you are not on your lawn. You are the one using the term incorrectly or at least can't grasp the idea behind the concept properly. Feel free to come tell us the way it is.

I'm using it the way it was used before the marketing guys started using it as I have already stated. I'm well within my right to deny the new use of the term just as you and the marketing guys are within your right to try and hijack it. All is fair. =)

Ummm it isn't a new way of using the term. They have been using this term this way for more than a decade. If you think they are trying to hijack it then you wrong....they already did and it was already become synomynous with non-linear, open ended gameplay. But good luck with that.... I wish you the best.

I and many other people have been using it for more than a decade as well. Obviously some people tried to change the meaning from when we first started using it.

But thats irrelevant, its an argument from antiquity (even though its a weird place to use one).

The word means what it means -now-, no matter if you like it or not, or if its the original meaning of the word.

Language is not decided top down by logic and singular individuals.

Additionally gaming terms and terminology is at this point non-normative, there are no clear definitions, only the ones that society provides, we don't have an Oxfords gaming dictionary.

The funny thing is I am even persuaded by your definition, however I will not use it, because communication becomes meaningless when I redefine meanings of words accepted by the general consensus.

And in the end, it doesn't matter one bit in the conversation either, because the word "sandbox" is something that means X for the OP, and the OP asserts that TESO is not X.

It doesn't matter what "sandbox" -really- means, instead we should discuss if he is right in his argument and assertion.

If you were unsure what sandbox means to the OP, ask. Countering his argument with "its not a sandbox" is a No True Scottsman.

  Z3R01

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Joined: 9/09/08
Posts: 2456

MMO gamer since 1997

5/09/12 7:00:22 AM#42

It's not being made by Todd Howard and company.

Its Zenimax Online studios using the elder scrolls IP to sell a generic fantasy mmo to us.

If i was Tod Howard I would be pissed right about now. Let's hope this doesn't tarnish the amazing legacy of the elder scrolls series.

Playing: None

Waiting on: None

  Loke666

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Joined: 10/29/07
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5/09/12 7:06:52 AM#43
Originally posted by username509

I was hoping Elderscrolls Online would be like a big budget Mortal Online, sadly it's just another Themepark MMO.  Its not going to be like Skyrim or Mortal.  Its not even going to be a sandbox MMO.  It's just yet another Themepark game with Elderscrolls lore.  

This article from sandboxer pretty much sums it up.

http://sandboxer.org/?p=912

We either have to wait for the Skyrim mutliplayer mod to get good, or continue to play Mortal Online.  This is not the game sandbox gamers were waiting for.  

Elder scrolls is too big to be a sandbox MMO and Zenimax aren´t really the gambling type. If another sandbox would prove that you can make a profitable sandbox with good budget things will change but until then no large company will make one.

The hope right now is World of darkness online, if it do well it will open up for other AAA MMOs as well.

  Bossalinie

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Posts: 606

5/09/12 7:11:54 AM#44

Bunch of Al Sharpton's and Jesse Jackson's on here...

  SEANMCAD

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5/09/12 7:55:14 AM#45

I see a lot of you are arguing over semantics . It doesnt matter what you call it the key to the OP's statement is this

'I thought it would be like mortal online'

 

FYI: mortal online is an MMO.

He is asking as a BASELINE for TES Online to represent another MMO that already exists, thus pretty much knocking out all the 'its not realisticaly possible' clean out of the water. It matters not if you call it a sanbox, themepark or purple elephant

does your game have rainbow sprinkles and magic ponies!?

  Lucioon

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5/09/12 8:05:01 AM#46

I would say that Minecraft is a true sandbox game, but its not mainstream enough for investors to be interested in pouring millions and millions of their money into it.

What we needed TESO to become was 70% sandbox 30% themepark, but what we gotten was 100% themepark.

I would have settled for 70% themepark and 30% sandbox, but it just seems that TESO developers aren't even gonna try. Its just sad to read the features and find none to get excited about.

Life is a Maze, so make sure you bring your GPS incase you get lost in it.

  musicmann

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Joined: 12/25/05
Posts: 1122

5/09/12 9:35:05 AM#47

Who gives a crap about the words sandbox or themepark. What is known is that TESO will not play like Skyrim or any other ES SP games, this much we know from what has been said. That's all that matters. If you can look past that and still want to play, then you are golden. If you can't, then this mmo will not be your cup of tea and it would be wise to stay playing the SP version.

For myself, i can't stand hand holding linear gameplay mmo's, so this one will get tossed in with all the rest of the titles that have and play similiar to how this one will be., which is a damn long list.

 

 

 

 

  Jakdstripper

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5/09/12 9:39:16 AM#48
Originally posted by musicmann

Who gives a crap about the words sandbox or themepark. What is known is that TESO will not play like Skyrim or any other ES SP games, this much we know from what has been said. That's all that matters. If you can look past that and still want to play, then you are golden. If you can't, then this mmo will not be your cup of tea and it would be wise to stay playing the SP version.

For myself, i can't stand hand holding linear gameplay mmo's, so this one will get tossed in with all the rest of the titles that have and play similiar to how this one will be., which is a damn long list.

 

 

 

 

 amen.

  Lucioon

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5/09/12 10:50:09 AM#49
Originally posted by Jakdstripper
Originally posted by musicmann

Who gives a crap about the words sandbox or themepark. What is known is that TESO will not play like Skyrim or any other ES SP games, this much we know from what has been said. That's all that matters. If you can look past that and still want to play, then you are golden. If you can't, then this mmo will not be your cup of tea and it would be wise to stay playing the SP version.

For myself, i can't stand hand holding linear gameplay mmo's, so this one will get tossed in with all the rest of the titles that have and play similiar to how this one will be., which is a damn long list.

 

 

 

 

 amen.

Ever since World of Warcraft, we have not gotten a single Warcraft RTS in the last decade. What we fear might just become true, that once TESO launches, Single Player Elder Scrolls will no longer be made and Skyrim will be the last one we will ever play.

Bethesda is own by the same company, so if they decided to pump more funds into TESO, all single player ES will be left in the dark. And its the gamers that will suffer because of it.

 

Life is a Maze, so make sure you bring your GPS incase you get lost in it.

  RebelScum99

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5/09/12 11:01:07 AM#50
Originally posted by SEANMCAD

I see a lot of you are arguing over semantics . It doesnt matter what you call it the key to the OP's statement is this

'I thought it would be like mortal online'

 

FYI: mortal online is an MMO.

He is asking as a BASELINE for TES Online to represent another MMO that already exists, thus pretty much knocking out all the 'its not realisticaly possible' clean out of the water. It matters not if you call it a sanbox, themepark or purple elephant

I think you're missing the point of why people are saying "It's not realistically possible."  Sure, they can make a game EXACTLY like Mortal Online, if they wanted to make a horrible game.  The OP is asking for a game structured like MO, but with all the things we've come to expect from the Elder Scrolls franchise, including top-notch graphics, radiant AI for npcs, a world that actually changes with even the tiniest input from the player (including killing mobs), dynamic or random events, etc.  

Mortal Online has none of those things.  And it could never have those things realistically. So I think the OP was merely stating he'd like the game to be laid out as a completely open sandbox game, but with the features that other Elder Scrolls games have had.  

If this game was truly like Mortal Online in terms of quality, hardly anyone would play it.  If it were like Mortal Online with the above features listed in addition to Bethesda-like quality, as opposed to indie developer quality, then you might have a winner.

  Oberholzer

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5/09/12 11:05:01 AM#51

If I use both definitions presented in this thread does that make me sandboxy? Being I'm doing whatever I want.

  Lucioon

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5/09/12 11:25:24 AM#52
Originally posted by RebelScum99
Originally posted by SEANMCAD

I see a lot of you are arguing over semantics . It doesnt matter what you call it the key to the OP's statement is this

'I thought it would be like mortal online'

 

FYI: mortal online is an MMO.

He is asking as a BASELINE for TES Online to represent another MMO that already exists, thus pretty much knocking out all the 'its not realisticaly possible' clean out of the water. It matters not if you call it a sanbox, themepark or purple elephant

I think you're missing the point of why people are saying "It's not realistically possible."  Sure, they can make a game EXACTLY like Mortal Online, if they wanted to make a horrible game.  The OP is asking for a game structured like MO, but with all the things we've come to expect from the Elder Scrolls franchise, including top-notch graphics, radiant AI for npcs, a world that actually changes with even the tiniest input from the player (including killing mobs), dynamic or random events, etc.  

Mortal Online has none of those things.  And it could never have those things realistically. So I think the OP was merely stating he'd like the game to be laid out as a completely open sandbox game, but with the features that other Elder Scrolls games have had.  

If this game was truly like Mortal Online in terms of quality, hardly anyone would play it.  If it were like Mortal Online with the above features listed in addition to Bethesda-like quality, as opposed to indie developer quality, then you might have a winner.

Its only impossible because no one has done it before.

Many believed the Holy Trinity in MMO must exist,

Many believed Combat can only be the way WOW has it,

Many believed the only way to get quests is from NPC hubs.

Many believed Night and Day cycles in MMO can't be done,

Many believed Undersea combat is impossible,

Many believed RvR siege combat can not exist,

Many believed MMO is only top down based,

Many believed Video Games is only Pong.

Many believed that UO is the only way MMo can be played.

How many Impossible things was made possible in game just because of some Software guy said why not, and took the time and gets funds to do it.

Before UO how many people thought it was impossible to get millions of players online and play together in a single virtual world. Nothing is impossible unless you decided not to do it.

 

Life is a Maze, so make sure you bring your GPS incase you get lost in it.

  SEANMCAD

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5/09/12 11:48:32 AM#53
Originally posted by RebelScum99
Originally posted by SEANMCAD

I see a lot of you are arguing over semantics . It doesnt matter what you call it the key to the OP's statement is this

'I thought it would be like mortal online'

 

FYI: mortal online is an MMO.

He is asking as a BASELINE for TES Online to represent another MMO that already exists, thus pretty much knocking out all the 'its not realisticaly possible' clean out of the water. It matters not if you call it a sanbox, themepark or purple elephant

I think you're missing the point of why people are saying "It's not realistically possible."  Sure, they can make a game EXACTLY like Mortal Online, if they wanted to make a horrible game.  The OP is asking for a game structured like MO, but with all the things we've come to expect from the Elder Scrolls franchise, including top-notch graphics, radiant AI for npcs, a world that actually changes with even the tiniest input from the player (including killing mobs), dynamic or random events, etc.  

Mortal Online has none of those things.  And it could never have those things realistically. So I think the OP was merely stating he'd like the game to be laid out as a completely open sandbox game, but with the features that other Elder Scrolls games have had.  

If this game was truly like Mortal Online in terms of quality, hardly anyone would play it.  If it were like Mortal Online with the above features listed in addition to Bethesda-like quality, as opposed to indie developer quality, then you might have a winner.

Darkfall and Mortal online ARE NOT HORRIBLE GAMES

the ONLY reason they are not crazy popular is because of FFA PVP that is it! many people will cite all different kinds of reasons and nearly all of them are directly related to loosing.

 

does your game have rainbow sprinkles and magic ponies!?

  SEANMCAD

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5/09/12 11:50:01 AM#54
Originally posted by Lucioon
Originally posted by RebelScum99
Originally posted by SEANMCAD

I see a lot of you are arguing over semantics . It doesnt matter what you call it the key to the OP's statement is this

'I thought it would be like mortal online'

 

FYI: mortal online is an MMO.

He is asking as a BASELINE for TES Online to represent another MMO that already exists, thus pretty much knocking out all the 'its not realisticaly possible' clean out of the water. It matters not if you call it a sanbox, themepark or purple elephant

I think you're missing the point of why people are saying "It's not realistically possible."  Sure, they can make a game EXACTLY like Mortal Online, if they wanted to make a horrible game.  The OP is asking for a game structured like MO, but with all the things we've come to expect from the Elder Scrolls franchise, including top-notch graphics, radiant AI for npcs, a world that actually changes with even the tiniest input from the player (including killing mobs), dynamic or random events, etc.  

Mortal Online has none of those things.  And it could never have those things realistically. So I think the OP was merely stating he'd like the game to be laid out as a completely open sandbox game, but with the features that other Elder Scrolls games have had.  

If this game was truly like Mortal Online in terms of quality, hardly anyone would play it.  If it were like Mortal Online with the above features listed in addition to Bethesda-like quality, as opposed to indie developer quality, then you might have a winner.

Its only impossible because no one has done it before.

Many believed the Holy Trinity in MMO must exist,

Many believed Combat can only be the way WOW has it,

Many believed the only way to get quests is from NPC hubs.

Many believed Night and Day cycles in MMO can't be done,

Many believed Undersea combat is impossible,

Many believed RvR siege combat can not exist,

Many believed MMO is only top down based,

Many believed Video Games is only Pong.

Many believed that UO is the only way MMo can be played.

How many Impossible things was made possible in game just because of some Software guy said why not, and took the time and gets funds to do it.

Before UO how many people thought it was impossible to get millions of players online and play together in a single virtual world. Nothing is impossible unless you decided not to do it.

 

what is so frustrating for us indi MMO fans is the ignornace of the rest of the gaming population.

IT HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

all this business of 'it cant happen' 'not technically possible' is pure bullSh*t almost every single point exists in other MMOs and exists well I might add

does your game have rainbow sprinkles and magic ponies!?

  GroovyFlower

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Skyrim

5/09/12 11:54:26 AM#55
Originally posted by PyrateLV

Skyrim is a hybrid of Themepark and Sandbox

 

TESO is straight up Themepark

Themepark hold your hand Skyrim those not, its not even close to a solo themepark.

Its also not realy a sandbox but its world with freedom and becouse of the mods its kind of after sandbox, when the mods installed it change the world as in sandbox.

  GroovyFlower

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5/09/12 12:02:15 PM#56
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by RebelScum99
Originally posted by SEANMCAD

I see a lot of you are arguing over semantics . It doesnt matter what you call it the key to the OP's statement is this

'I thought it would be like mortal online'

 

FYI: mortal online is an MMO.

He is asking as a BASELINE for TES Online to represent another MMO that already exists, thus pretty much knocking out all the 'its not realisticaly possible' clean out of the water. It matters not if you call it a sanbox, themepark or purple elephant

I think you're missing the point of why people are saying "It's not realistically possible."  Sure, they can make a game EXACTLY like Mortal Online, if they wanted to make a horrible game.  The OP is asking for a game structured like MO, but with all the things we've come to expect from the Elder Scrolls franchise, including top-notch graphics, radiant AI for npcs, a world that actually changes with even the tiniest input from the player (including killing mobs), dynamic or random events, etc.  

Mortal Online has none of those things.  And it could never have those things realistically. So I think the OP was merely stating he'd like the game to be laid out as a completely open sandbox game, but with the features that other Elder Scrolls games have had.  

If this game was truly like Mortal Online in terms of quality, hardly anyone would play it.  If it were like Mortal Online with the above features listed in addition to Bethesda-like quality, as opposed to indie developer quality, then you might have a winner.

Darkfall and Mortal online ARE NOT HORRIBLE GAMES

the ONLY reason they are not crazy popular is because of FFA PVP that is it! many people will cite all different kinds of reasons and nearly all of them are directly related to loosing.

 

There where many reasons why Darkfall have low population now and specially if you look from launch cheating and grind was biggest reason why game failed in that respect. Then you had the stupid zerg becouse devs abandon the lore alll race clans was dagger in back for this game plus the way to early split up community into euro and US servers, for a small indie company they should never have listend to the US cry babys who demanded there own server.

Un balanced pvp with mages for long time owning also becouse of cheaters.

DARKFALL was awsome game but no players base ruined it for most part and not becouse of hardcore full loot pvp.

In all the years most complains where grind.

  SEANMCAD

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5/09/12 12:05:50 PM#57
Originally posted by GroovyFlower

 

There where many reasons why Darkfall have low population now and specially if you look from launch cheating and grind was biggest reason why game failed in that respect. Then you had the stupid zerg becouse devs abandon the lore alll race clans was dagger in back for this game plus the way to early split up community into euro and US servers, for a small indie company they should never have listend to the US cry babys who demanded there own server.

Un balanced pvp with mages for long time owning also becouse of cheaters.

DARKFALL was awsome game but no players base ruined it for most part and not becouse of hardcore full loot pvp.

In all the years most complains where grind.

my issue is that when people say things like 'non-instanced housing isnt realistically possible in an MMO' or 'FPS doesnt work well in an MMO' my head wants to explode because anyone who has played Darkfall knows those two things are COMPLETELY POSSIBLE and has NOTHING whatsoever to do with why the game is not popular.

does your game have rainbow sprinkles and magic ponies!?

  Lucioon

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5/09/12 1:35:12 PM#58
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Lucioon
Originally posted by RebelScum99
Originally posted by SEANMCAD

I see a lot of you are arguing over semantics . It doesnt matter what you call it the key to the OP's statement is this

'I thought it would be like mortal online'

 

FYI: mortal online is an MMO.

He is asking as a BASELINE for TES Online to represent another MMO that already exists, thus pretty much knocking out all the 'its not realisticaly possible' clean out of the water. It matters not if you call it a sanbox, themepark or purple elephant

I think you're missing the point of why people are saying "It's not realistically possible."  Sure, they can make a game EXACTLY like Mortal Online, if they wanted to make a horrible game.  The OP is asking for a game structured like MO, but with all the things we've come to expect from the Elder Scrolls franchise, including top-notch graphics, radiant AI for npcs, a world that actually changes with even the tiniest input from the player (including killing mobs), dynamic or random events, etc.  

Mortal Online has none of those things.  And it could never have those things realistically. So I think the OP was merely stating he'd like the game to be laid out as a completely open sandbox game, but with the features that other Elder Scrolls games have had.  

If this game was truly like Mortal Online in terms of quality, hardly anyone would play it.  If it were like Mortal Online with the above features listed in addition to Bethesda-like quality, as opposed to indie developer quality, then you might have a winner.

Its only impossible because no one has done it before.

Many believed the Holy Trinity in MMO must exist,

Many believed Combat can only be the way WOW has it,

Many believed the only way to get quests is from NPC hubs.

Many believed Night and Day cycles in MMO can't be done,

Many believed Undersea combat is impossible,

Many believed RvR siege combat can not exist,

Many believed MMO is only top down based,

Many believed Video Games is only Pong.

Many believed that UO is the only way MMo can be played.

How many Impossible things was made possible in game just because of some Software guy said why not, and took the time and gets funds to do it.

Before UO how many people thought it was impossible to get millions of players online and play together in a single virtual world. Nothing is impossible unless you decided not to do it.

 

what is so frustrating for us indi MMO fans is the ignornace of the rest of the gaming population.

IT HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

all this business of 'it cant happen' 'not technically possible' is pure bullSh*t almost every single point exists in other MMOs and exists well I might add

Just so you know I agree with you, that was my point in the post above, also i wanted to add that not only has IT BEEN DONE BEFORE, no one can ever truly copy and paste a mechanic in another MMO. Because they will get sued, therefore almost everything that we wanted was in some form one way or another.

Those that wanted an exact copy, you better hope the company that made it is still in business, regardless of the developer, it had to be the same group of people in the same company otherwise it will not be pretty when the law comes smashing down and destroying your game.

Life is a Maze, so make sure you bring your GPS incase you get lost in it.

  SEANMCAD

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5/09/12 1:41:22 PM#59
Originally posted by Lucioon

Just so you know I agree with you, that was my point in the post above, also i wanted to add that not only has IT BEEN DONE BEFORE, no one can ever truly copy and paste a mechanic in another MMO. Because they will get sued, therefore almost everything that we wanted was in some form one way or another.

Those that wanted an exact copy, you better hope the company that made it is still in business, regardless of the developer, it had to be the same group of people in the same company otherwise it will not be pretty when the law comes smashing down and destroying your game.

for all our sake lets hope darkfall wasnt able to patent putting four walls together on an open map and call it 'non-instanced' housing. same for FPS combat.

I dont think anyone is suggesting a copy and paste. The simple thing we are trying to explain is that it can be done because it already exists and it exists well.

Not sure why that is such a hard thing for so many to accept.

Nevermind the fact that it would clearly be in their best intrest to mention why rather than just leaving it hanging.

'we cant because of existing patents'

no wait they did say why!

'we cant do it becuase we cant create it like players want'

how can anyone read that and not think bullsh*t is beyond me.

does your game have rainbow sprinkles and magic ponies!?

  PyrateLV

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5/09/12 1:51:33 PM#60
Originally posted by GroovyFlower
Originally posted by PyrateLV

Skyrim is a hybrid of Themepark and Sandbox

 

TESO is straight up Themepark

Themepark hold your hand Skyrim those not, its not even close to a solo themepark.

Its also not realy a sandbox but its world with freedom and becouse of the mods its kind of after sandbox, when the mods installed it change the world as in sandbox.

Where did I say that Skyrim was a "hold your hand solo themepark"?

I also never said it was a full on sandbox.

I said Skyrim is a Hybrid of the 2

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