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  Dredphyre

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5/06/12 6:52:33 AM#61
Originally posted by Chrisbox

Is because its using hero engine, and people think that it will fail like swtor.  Im hardcore laughing at these threads from people who are already trying to judge this game after it just gets ANNOUNCED. 

Oh the fucking irony. Here you are crying about people attacking ESO with unfounded claims, while at the same time attacking SWTOR with unfounded claims (hint: SWTOR is not failing).

 

Maybe next time when you think to attack another game you'll remember when people attacked your game.  Then again, probably not.

  Dredphyre

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5/06/12 7:03:38 AM#62
Originally posted by Paradigm68

Here are some good reasons that have nothing to do with the hero engine.

This is from another article about ESO:

ZeniMax Online's Paul Sage says "it needs to be comfortable for people who are coming from a typical massively multiplayer game that has the same control mechanisms

its combat centres around hotbars activating skills. Your attacks have cooldowns. In clear terms, that means no real-time combat. It is literally explained as using "World of Warcraft mechanics"

"keeping large areas inaccessible to save them for use as expansion content"

Only "some fraction" of the caves and other landmarks in the game are waiting completely unmarked and unexplored

You can't own a house because it's "too hard to implement in an MMO"

It even looks like just another fantasy MMO, losing much of the refined elegance of Bethesda's games in exchange for a simpler style that looks little like the past few games in the series.

This bit of information strikes me as a cop out really.  Why does it need to be 'comfortable'?  Maybe Sage (such oxymoronic name) can tell which MMO the millions of WoW players were comfortable with before they joined WoW?  That's right...they weren't. Most Wow players were newbs to MMOs and had no need of 'comfort' to play that game, so WHY does TESO have to have a 'comfort' level again?

  ShakyMo

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5/06/12 7:52:29 AM#63
The only reason people are hating on this game.

They are sheeple, they hear one got Ho "it uses hero engine therefore its all instances and on the rails like swtor" and join the band waggon rather than reading about the bloody thing and noticing for instance "no quest hubs" & "open dungeons" which is nothing like swtor (or wow)
  Distopia

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5/06/12 7:56:14 AM#64
Originally posted by Chrisbox

Is because its using hero engine, and people think that it will fail like swtor.  Im hardcore laughing at these threads from people who are already trying to judge this game after it just gets ANNOUNCED. 

Yeah I find it amusing as well, MMO player entitlement strikes again.

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  Distopia

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5/06/12 7:57:26 AM#65
Originally posted by ShakyMo
The only reason people are hating on this game.

They are sheeple, they hear one got Ho "it uses hero engine therefore its all instances and on the rails like swtor" and join the band waggon rather than reading about the bloody thing and noticing for instance "no quest hubs" & "open dungeons" which is nothing like swtor (or wow)

Not to mention three faction PVP, open world, large play area (most of Tamriel it seems).

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  Vesavius

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5/06/12 8:05:57 AM#66
Originally posted by Chrisbox

Is because its using hero engine, and people think that it will fail like swtor.  Im hardcore laughing at these threads from people who are already trying to judge this game after it just gets ANNOUNCED. 

 

Lets not be juvenile about it.... 'hater this, 'hater' that... it is all so childish.

I am 'hating' (ie being critical and expressing my thoughts) on it due to the stated feature list. Information the devs have released for us to see and talk about.

It is extremely dissapointing for a modern game and if it ends up being launched anywhere near Archeage it will look even worse.

I also agree with the guys stating that it actually seem a TES game at all, but just a generuc clone with TES branding.

A lot of people just expected better. If they are reacting strongly it is because they have recently been bitten by another unambitious generic clone sold on a popular branding, so the timing makes it doubly bad for Zenimax.

  Burntvet

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5/06/12 8:15:52 AM#67
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Chrisbox

Is because its using hero engine, and people think that it will fail like swtor.  Im hardcore laughing at these threads from people who are already trying to judge this game after it just gets ANNOUNCED. 

 

Lets not be juvenile about it.... 'hater this, 'hater' that... it is all so childish.

I am 'hating' (ie being critical and expressing my thoughts) on it due to the stated feature list. Information the devs have released for us to see and talk about.

It is extremely dissapointing for a modern game and if it ends up being launched anywhere near Archeage it will look even worse.

I also agree with the guys stating that it actually seem a TES game at all, but just a generuc clone with TES branding.

A lot of people just expected better. If they are reacting strongly it is because they have recently been bitten by another unambitious generic clone sold on a popular branding, so the timing makes it doubly bad for Zenimax.

Yeah, I am right there with you.

Why they would expect people who liked ES:Skyrim, to play an MMO that has very little to do with ES gameplay (and all the features people liked in Skyrim, i.e. "made them fans of the franchise")?

For the designers/developers to say they are forgetting about all the Skyrim gameplay elements (for the most part) and make another "familiar" feeling MMO (i.e. WoW-clone) is plain stupid.

Who are they expecting to buy this game, if they admit it has almost nothing from the ES franchise but the name?

 

And shame on the designers for claiming that certain things are "too hard" to put in an MMO. Really? I seem to remember player housing all the way back to say... let's see, alot of the original MMOs made 10+ years ago, and these guys are copping out on it now?

Pathetic....

 

  Distopia

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5/06/12 8:17:28 AM#68
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Chrisbox

Is because its using hero engine, and people think that it will fail like swtor.  Im hardcore laughing at these threads from people who are already trying to judge this game after it just gets ANNOUNCED. 

 

Lets not be juvenile about it.... 'hater this, 'hater' that... it is all so childish.

I am 'hating' (ie being critical and expressing my thoughts) on it due to the stated feature list. Information the devs have released for us to see and talk about.

It is extremely dissapointing for a modern game and if it ends up being launched anywhere near Archeage it will look even worse.

I also agree with the guys stating that it actually seem a TES game at all, but just a generuc clone with TES branding.

A lot of people just expected better. If they are reacting strongly it is because they have recently been bitten by another unambitious generic clone sold on a popular branding, so the timing makes it doubly bad for Zenimax.

What aspect of that feature list is so bad, a lot of it seemed to deviate from these clones people are tired of?  FACT

This is what I find so ironic, as its a clear sign people are ignoring the feature list only to label it with their witty clone remarks, when it's nothing like WOW (today) or TOR in terms of overall design. No quest hubs, actual exploration in an open world, Three faction PVP, open dungeons (not all).

There may be raids but with actual RVR that leaves more than one viable end-game option. WHich none of these clones people keep comparing it to have had.

This hate is all about it not being in lock step with TES designs, not the feature list. That is obvious saying otherwise is laughable.

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

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  p_c_sousa

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5/06/12 9:08:26 AM#69

the big reason people are hating this game is because they are huge fans of TES games. one of the best game on market, so when i read the features on TESO i dont see a TES game, but maybe is just me. 

 

  Vesavius

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5/06/12 9:10:45 AM#70
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Chrisbox

Is because its using hero engine, and people think that it will fail like swtor.  Im hardcore laughing at these threads from people who are already trying to judge this game after it just gets ANNOUNCED. 

 

Lets not be juvenile about it.... 'hater this, 'hater' that... it is all so childish.

I am 'hating' (ie being critical and expressing my thoughts) on it due to the stated feature list. Information the devs have released for us to see and talk about.

It is extremely dissapointing for a modern game and if it ends up being launched anywhere near Archeage it will look even worse.

I also agree with the guys stating that it actually seem a TES game at all, but just a generuc clone with TES branding.

A lot of people just expected better. If they are reacting strongly it is because they have recently been bitten by another unambitious generic clone sold on a popular branding, so the timing makes it doubly bad for Zenimax.

What aspect of that feature list is so bad, a lot of it seemed to deviate from these clones people are tired of?  FACT

This is what I find so ironic, as its a clear sign people are ignoring the feature list only to label it with their witty clone remarks, when it's nothing like WOW (today) or TOR in terms of overall design. No quest hubs, actual exploration in an open world, Three faction PVP, open dungeons (not all).

There may be raids but with actual RVR that leaves more than one viable end-game option. WHich none of these clones people keep comparing it to have had.

This hate is all about it not being in lock step with TES designs, not the feature list. That is obvious saying otherwise is laughable.

 

Your general tone means I really cba to try and and have a deep conversation with you about the game, so I will just say I didn't call it a WoW clone... I called it simply a 'generic clone' and said it's feature list was disapointing, especially compared to what Archeage is showing.

I personally think my use of the 'unambitious' is valid for the title, based on what they have chosen to show.

Right now AA is setting the bar for what a modern 'conventional' MMO should look like in terms of features. If XL games can do it, why not the cash rich Zenimax?

  Chrome1980

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5/06/12 9:14:05 AM#71

People enjoyed GW2 and TESO is using same mechanics, should people stop playing GW2 too because it doesn't have huge feature list of AA? problem here is people were expecting a sandbox MMO as if it is what the company promised them. But that is not the case now is it?

Maybe we should all just stop playing any new MMO because it isn't AA.

  TruthXHurts

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5/06/12 9:15:29 AM#72
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Chrisbox

Is because its using hero engine, and people think that it will fail like swtor.  Im hardcore laughing at these threads from people who are already trying to judge this game after it just gets ANNOUNCED. 

 

Lets not be juvenile about it.... 'hater this, 'hater' that... it is all so childish.

I am 'hating' (ie being critical and expressing my thoughts) on it due to the stated feature list. Information the devs have released for us to see and talk about.

It is extremely dissapointing for a modern game and if it ends up being launched anywhere near Archeage it will look even worse.

I also agree with the guys stating that it actually seem a TES game at all, but just a generuc clone with TES branding.

A lot of people just expected better. If they are reacting strongly it is because they have recently been bitten by another unambitious generic clone sold on a popular branding, so the timing makes it doubly bad for Zenimax.

What aspect of that feature list is so bad, a lot of it seemed to deviate from these clones people are tired of?  FACT

This is what I find so ironic, as its a clear sign people are ignoring the feature list only to label it with their witty clone remarks, when it's nothing like WOW (today) or TOR in terms of overall design. No quest hubs, actual exploration in an open world, Three faction PVP, open dungeons (not all).

There may be raids but with actual RVR that leaves more than one viable end-game option. WHich none of these clones people keep comparing it to have had.

This hate is all about it not being in lock step with TES designs, not the feature list. That is obvious saying otherwise is laughable.

 

Your general tone means I really cba to try and and have a deep conversation with you about the game, so I will just say I didn't call it a WoW clone... I called it simply a 'generic clone' and said it's feature list was disapointing, especially compared to what Archeage is showing.

I personally think my use of the 'unambitious' is valid for the title, based on what they have chosen to show.

Right now AA is setting the bar for what a modern 'conventional' MMO should look like in terms of features. If XL games can do it, why not the cash rich Zenimax?

That's because Zenimax is following the new Pre Order/Collector's Edition model that has been established. You sell enough pre orders and special editions to the fan bois and that covers your costs. Then after a couple of months you switch over to F2P, and rake in the dough from the plebes who want P2W.

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  Ryowulf

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5/06/12 9:22:32 AM#73

Hey OP the reason people are hating on this game is because the only thing it shares in common with Elder Scrolls games is the name.

 

This is a disaster in the making, which I wouldn't care about (since no one is forcing me to buy it), except it could impact when and if more single player Elder Scroll games get made.

  Vesavius

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5/06/12 9:23:08 AM#74
Originally posted by Burntvet
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Chrisbox

Is because its using hero engine, and people think that it will fail like swtor.  Im hardcore laughing at these threads from people who are already trying to judge this game after it just gets ANNOUNCED. 

 

Lets not be juvenile about it.... 'hater this, 'hater' that... it is all so childish.

I am 'hating' (ie being critical and expressing my thoughts) on it due to the stated feature list. Information the devs have released for us to see and talk about.

It is extremely dissapointing for a modern game and if it ends up being launched anywhere near Archeage it will look even worse.

I also agree with the guys stating that it actually seem a TES game at all, but just a generuc clone with TES branding.

A lot of people just expected better. If they are reacting strongly it is because they have recently been bitten by another unambitious generic clone sold on a popular branding, so the timing makes it doubly bad for Zenimax.

Yeah, I am right there with you.

And shame on the designers for claiming that certain things are "too hard" to put in an MMO. Really? I seem to remember player housing all the way back to say... let's see, alot of the original MMOs made 10+ years ago, and these guys are copping out on it now?

Pathetic....

 

I do agree with the parts I clipped, I just did so in the interest of space and clarity :)

 

I especially agree with the last paragraph though. And the truth is it isn't even 10 years ago, it is happening right now in a game in a no NDA beta state.

  ShakyMo

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5/06/12 9:23:17 AM#75
As long as it captures the essence of tes, freely roaming a vast living world, then to me its a tes game. I'm disappointed it has classes, but then they started this game before skyrim, and Morrowind & oblivion did have classes, all be it that players could make their own custom template at the start. As for 3 faction pvp, why not, tes has no pvp at all, I don't get the "this should be ffa pvp like darkfall" people, tes has no pvp, I'm just glad they didn't go with grind mini games for tokens.
  Distopia

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5/06/12 9:26:24 AM#76
Originally posted by Vesavius

Your general tone means I really cba to try and and have a deep conversation with you about the game, so I will just say I didn't call it a WoW clone... I called it simply a 'generic clone' and said it's feature list was disapointing, especially compared to what Archeage is showing.

I personally think my use of the 'unambitious' is valid for the title, based on what they have chosen to show.

Right now AA is setting the bar for what a modern 'conventional' MMO should look like in terms of features. If XL games can do it, why not the cash rich Zenimax?

My general tone is no more or no less what has been seen through the entirety of these conversations. I'm looking forward to AA myself, doesn't mean every game has to be what AA is.

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  Chrome1980

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Joined: 4/14/12
Posts: 523

5/06/12 9:28:42 AM#77
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Vesavius

Your general tone means I really cba to try and and have a deep conversation with you about the game, so I will just say I didn't call it a WoW clone... I called it simply a 'generic clone' and said it's feature list was disapointing, especially compared to what Archeage is showing.

I personally think my use of the 'unambitious' is valid for the title, based on what they have chosen to show.

Right now AA is setting the bar for what a modern 'conventional' MMO should look like in terms of features. If XL games can do it, why not the cash rich Zenimax?

My general tone is no more or no less what has been seen through the entirety of these conversations. I'm looking forward to AA myself, doesn't mean every game has to be what AA is.

The only game that doesn't need to be AA is GW2... *winks*

  Loke666

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5/06/12 9:29:05 AM#78
Originally posted by Chrisbox

Is because its using hero engine, and people think that it will fail like swtor.  Im hardcore laughing at these threads from people who are already trying to judge this game after it just gets ANNOUNCED. 

No, not really. The reason is closer to Diablo 3s cold reception here.

The elder scroll series have many fans here, just like the Diablo serie have and in both cases are the companies changing the formula that the old fans love.

That does not mean either of the games are bad, but D3 is made for people who enjoy Wow and ESO is made for fans of regular themepark MMOs. I personally think that keeping the old fans happy should be the main priority of games like this but Bethesda and Blizzard don't agree.

And they might be right too, there is a potential to get even more players when you change stuff like this, but it might fail miserably as well. If you make a game for old fans you at least have them.

  Ryowulf

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Joined: 8/28/05
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5/06/12 9:31:00 AM#79

Everything suggests its not going to be a "freely roaming a vast living world". It looks like they started this game a few years ago, when it was believed WoW was still the thing to copy, but that ship has sailed. How could they know GW2 and Tera would be coming? Heck the cost model is probably still sub based.

Now they have invested to much time and money or they are to set in their ways to change the game.

  Warmaker

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5/06/12 9:31:28 AM#80
Originally posted by Chrisbox

Is because its using hero engine, and people think that it will fail like swtor.  Im hardcore laughing at these threads from people who are already trying to judge this game after it just gets ANNOUNCED. 

If you think the only reason people are upset with TESO is because of it using the same underwhelming engine as SWTOR, you have not even taken 1 second to read anything going on about this game.  Complaints about the engine is actually secondary to how the gameplay is going to be for TESO.

In short, it's going to be completely against everything that a TES game is all about.  It'll just be another generic fantasy game using the same uninspiring mechanics as many other MMORPGs have done before, all while ignoring the things that have made The Elder Scrolls a successful franchise for more than 15 years now.

Originally posted by Loke666
*snip*

And they might be right too, there is a potential to get even more players when you change stuff like this, but it might fail miserably as well. If you make a game for old fans you at least have them.

The old phrase, "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" comes to mind.

"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)

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