When i read that TESO was officially announced i was like "yay a sandbox set in the world of TES" What we have seen so far makes me cry. Theres really nothing special about it. Im sure people will buy it. But until something changes i see it no more as a cash grab. They are either lazy or just plain oblivious. IM DONE. I feel like we need to get our voice across. Becuase of this i made a Facebook cause. Elder Scrolls Online Betrayal Campaign

Join and let your voice be heard!

Reason for edit. To clarify my position. I do not think its a wow clone (that comment was out of anger and frustration) I only wish to have an TES mmo that the franchise deserves. I will admit when im wrong, i just did.

If they are "greedy" doesn't that indicate that there is  lots of money to be made with the game. If there is lots of money to be made from the game, doesn't that indicate that there are a lot of people that will buy it? If there are lots of people that want to buy it, then wouldn't that mean that people actually do want another "wow clone?"

I never understood that argument. People say "Noone wants these themepark mmo's!  Companies that make them are just greedy!"

See how that doesn't make sense? Greed means they want money. If there is money to be had then there are people who want the game and will fork over cash.   

Originally posted by dubyahite

If they are "greedy" doesn't that indicate that there is  lots of money to be made with the game. If there is lots of money to be made from the game, doesn't that indicate that there are a lot of people that will buy it? If there are lots of people that want to buy it, then wouldn't that mean that people actually do want another "wow clone?"

 

I never understood that argument. People say "Noone wants these themepark mmo's!  Companies that make them are just greedy!"

See how that doesn't make sense? Greed means they want money. If there is money to be had then there are people who want the game and will fork over cash.   

Ahh yes i see what you mean. Im just fed up. I cant believe that these big time devs keep making these games. CHanged it to lazy. Because thats what they really are if they just copy and paste WoW on ES.

I havnt seen enough info to join something like this, I personally do not mind theme park games, The ES games do have towns where you get quests after all. As long as they dont put a big symbol over the NPCs heads I am ok with it.

What do you people want them to make? An elder scrolls FPS? a side scolling platform? ahh maybe an elder scrolls racing game...I want a game that is as close to the elder scrolls games I have allready played translated into an online world, as close as they can possibly get it, I know that it wont be possible to make it just like the single player games , but hopefully they will get it close.

If they made a game that was drastically different, it would not be an Elder Scrolls game.

I also got turned off when i herd tab target, raids, classic mmo features...BUT

Simply because it does have all the wow features (so to speak) doesnt mean that it CANT have great 3 facction

warfare, and spme sandbox elements along with it, for example, they said no housing, but the game is still

roughly 2 years from release, so its very hard to judge just by a few features and 11 screenshots.

Just my thoughts, but i am howewer very concerned that it will just be a failed wow clone, i hope not! :)

Really people simple expected WAAAAAAYYYY to much. If you just look at the feature list then the games look good enough to me though. We as a player have been collectivly screaming for 3 faction PvP. They seem to be giving us that for one. 

What people wanted was a skyrim online not a Elder Scrolls Online. 

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Look at the list of features. It's actually pretty good:

AI will play like human beings.

Huge map with plenty of room for expensions

3 factions (4 if you include the NPC imperials faction) 

player emperor (with might include some great features)

100 v 100 pvp

Combo attacks (example: "-For example, a rogue can put oil on the ground that a mage can set on fire + -A fighter can also spin in the firestorm a mage puts down, which sends out fireballs")

Different take on agro and the holy trinety

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People expected something else and now they feel like they have been cheated as if Zenimax ever promised a revolution with this MMO. They NEVER EVER gave a promise, so how can they betray us? As long as they stick to the TES lore I will prolly enjoy this game. Hell even if they do not I might enjoy the game still. Migth still be plently of features we do not know about.

Campaigning against WoW clones because you want more sandbox games is ridiculous. It's like trying to campaign against a symphony orchestra and excepting you'll get more and better rock music if you're successful.

Campaign against TESO by buying Archeage.

Alot of people seem to be having reflexive bad reactions to the idea of tab targeting and not being able to hot-swap weapons etc. and I understand that. However, look at what Coman posted earlier in the thread, the differences are there if you care to look for them.

Have any of us played it? Nope. Have any of us seen gameplay footage? Nope. I think it's way too early to start crying "betrayal" - though there are plenty of people doing just that over on the oboards.  We're all too ready to dismiss something out of hand based on the tiniest amount of information.

I'm firmly in the wait-and-see camp on this one. I think the GI article served a purpose in setting expectations, and once we've digested all that was in it we can stop expecting the sun, moon and stars and look at what they present with some objectivity.

Oh dear, I just used "objectivity" in sentence on a forum, silly me....

Originally posted by DSWBeef

Im soooo fed up with devs thinking that we want another WoW clone. They are either lazy or just plain oblivious. IM DONE. I feel like we need to get our voice across. Becuase of this i made a Facebook cause. Elder Scrolls Online Betrayal Campaign

 

Join and let your voice be heard!

No thank you, not supporting these silly online boycott campaigns which are a big joke by the way. Moreover, TESO is not a WOW clone but more like a GW2 clone.

I am not going to get angry at company for projecting my own false expectations at them and hoping for something that was never promised. TESO is not a WOW clone and next step in themepark evolution like GW2.

Originally posted by zevni78

OK, Once and for all.

 

To all who defend this game.

 

This is not about the game being bad or good, its doesn’t matter

 

It will not be the mmo Elder Scrolls fans wanted.

 

It’s that simple, please understand and respect that, instead of splitting hairs about the definition of "sandbox" or listing the game features you like, or labelling people understandablely disappointed as irrational fanbois.

 

I am no TES fan, but I know a farmed out attempt to miss-label something when i see one.

 

 

Making fans of any established IP happy is a futile attempt. Fans can continue to throw fit with their 'we were betrayed' routine even though no promises were made by the devs of any kind.

Many didn't want an TES mmo at all, thats not the point, if you are going to use an IP, at least try to capture some essence of it, and the fans don't see any sign of it here.

Originally posted by Chrome1980

Originally posted by zevni78

OK, Once and for all.

 

To all who defend this game.

 

This is not about the game being bad or good, its doesn’t matter

 

It will not be the mmo Elder Scrolls fans wanted.

 

It’s that simple, please understand and respect that, instead of splitting hairs about the definition of "sandbox" or listing the game features you like, or labelling people understandablely disappointed as irrational fanbois.

 

I am no TES fan, but I know a farmed out attempt to miss-label something when i see one.

 

 

Making fans of any established IP happy is a futile attempt. Fans can continue to throw fit with their 'we were betrayed' routine even though no promises were made by the devs of any kind.

Or have a backbone and stand up for what you feel, that is consumer power!  Far better than just posting  'blah fanboi' or  'blah hater' dull and pointless comments. 

Originally posted by Bladestrom

Originally posted by Chrome1980

Originally posted by zevni78

OK, Once and for all.

 

To all who defend this game.

 

This is not about the game being bad or good, its doesn’t matter

 

It will not be the mmo Elder Scrolls fans wanted.

 

It’s that simple, please understand and respect that, instead of splitting hairs about the definition of "sandbox" or listing the game features you like, or labelling people understandablely disappointed as irrational fanbois.

 

I am no TES fan, but I know a farmed out attempt to miss-label something when i see one.

 

 

Making fans of any established IP happy is a futile attempt. Fans can continue to throw fit with their 'we were betrayed' routine even though no promises were made by the devs of any kind.

Or have a backbone and stand up for what you feel, that is consumer power!  Far better than just posting  'blah fanboi' or  'blah hater' dull and pointless comments. 

You know how these campagins end up? majority of people who will join it will end up buying the game at release anyways. Been there and done that.

Originally posted by Coman

Really people simple expected WAAAAAAYYYY to much. If you just look at the feature list then the games look good enough to me though. We as a player have been collectivly screaming for 3 faction PvP. They seem to be giving us that for one. 

What people wanted was a skyrim online not a Elder Scrolls Online. 

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Look at the list of features. It's actually pretty good:

AI will play like human beings.

Huge map with plenty of room for expensions

3 factions (4 if you include the NPC imperials faction) 

player emperor (with might include some great features)

100 v 100 pvp

Combo attacks (example: "-For example, a rogue can put oil on the ground that a mage can set on fire + -A fighter can also spin in the firestorm a mage puts down, which sends out fireballs")

Different take on agro and the holy trinety

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People expected something else and now they feel like they have been cheated as if Zenimax ever promised a revolution with this MMO. They NEVER EVER gave a promise, so how can they betray us? As long as they stick to the TES lore I will prolly enjoy this game. Hell even if they do not I might enjoy the game still. Migth still be plently of features we do not know about.

 

How many core elements can we remove until an IP becomes something else?

Can we remove magic from Harry Potter and it still will be Harry Potter?

Can we remove sneaking and non-linear challenges from Deus Ex and it still is going to be Deus Ex?

Can we remove cars from GTA?

Fact is, if you remove core elements that define a franchise, it becomes something else.

ESO removes almost all defining characteristics of the TES franchise, therefore its not TES.

Don't be surprised that people that love TES have a kneejerk reaction to the fact that someone is mangling their franchise into something that its not.

Zenimax might as well have released a horse-racing simulator or a farming sim placed in Tamriel and called it The Elder Scrolls Online at this point.

Its a sad attempt at cashing in on the game and will infinitely ruin the household name of TES and everything that TES stands for in the marketplace.

Its the same situation that XCOM, Syndicate or FO:BOS is/was in, nobody will bloody play this game. The only thing Zenimax will succeed in will be to ruin their franchise name.

Originally posted by zevni78

Many didn't want an TES mmo at all, thats not the point, if you are going to use an IP, at least try to capture some essence of it, and the fans don't see any sign of it here.

 

Again, stop just dismissed it as petty fanboi rage, there are good reasons for the reaction. Yes making a mmo that matched people's image of TES, not expectations, would be very hard, but it would have been nice if they had at least tried.

 

A good mmo is great, but the kind of mmo you could have made from this IP would have been better.

 

They could have justified making a Doac2 or Gw2 clone any number of ways, but the one opportunity to make an Elder Scrolls style mmo has been lost.

 

 

It's a waste of the IP; they could have named this project any number of things, and kept the licence for something more appropriate. It doesn’t just deviate from people ideas of the IP, it completely ignores them.

 

 

Doomer and gloomers have striked way too early this time. Hard to say if TESO essence has been captured on not when game is not even playable right now. Moreover, 'the essence' is matter of prespective. For me the essence of TES is in non linear world design which we are getting with TESO.

For other it might be different. Stop trying to project your own idea of what is essence of TES on others. You say you are not a fan of TES and i can only imagine the rant if you were a fan.

OP, you are fighting windlmills here. Millions will still buy it, only because it have written "The Elder Scrolls" over it. The same case as for Blizzard games. They built up their glory and now they can live 20 years out of it. Nowadays, people may buy graphically updated version of 'E.T.' for Atari 2600 if it have label "Blizzard" or "Bethesda" over it.

Dont get me wrong, i enjoyed both 'single player' TES games and 'old' Blizzard games, but i find D3, SC2 and... sigh... new Elder Scrolls to be easy money grabs. As an economist i understand both of Development teams, but as a gaming fan, i am astronomically pissed-off.

Originally posted by AdamTM

Originally posted by Coman

Really people simple expected WAAAAAAYYYY to much. If you just look at the feature list then the games look good enough to me though. We as a player have been collectivly screaming for 3 faction PvP. They seem to be giving us that for one. 

What people wanted was a skyrim online not a Elder Scrolls Online. 

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Look at the list of features. It's actually pretty good:

AI will play like human beings.

Huge map with plenty of room for expensions

3 factions (4 if you include the NPC imperials faction) 

player emperor (with might include some great features)

100 v 100 pvp

Combo attacks (example: "-For example, a rogue can put oil on the ground that a mage can set on fire + -A fighter can also spin in the firestorm a mage puts down, which sends out fireballs")

Different take on agro and the holy trinety

------------

People expected something else and now they feel like they have been cheated as if Zenimax ever promised a revolution with this MMO. They NEVER EVER gave a promise, so how can they betray us? As long as they stick to the TES lore I will prolly enjoy this game. Hell even if they do not I might enjoy the game still. Migth still be plently of features we do not know about.

 

How many core elements can we remove until an IP becomes something else?

Can we remove magic from Harry Potter and it still will be Harry Potter?

Can we remove sneaking and non-linear challenges from Deus Ex and it still is going to be Deus Ex?

Can we remove cars from GTA?

 

Fact is, if you remove core elements that define a franchise, it becomes something else.

ESO removes almost all defining characteristics of the TES franchise, therefore its not TES.

Don't be surprised that people that love TES have a kneejerk reaction to the fact that someone is mangling their franchise into something that its not.

 

Zenimax might as well have released a horse-racing simulator or a farming sim placed in Tamriel and called it The Elder Scrolls Online at this point.

Its a sad attempt at cashing in on the game and will infinitely ruin the household name of TES and everything that TES stands for in the marketplace.

 

Its the same situation that XCOM, Syndicate or FO:BOS is/was in, nobody will bloody play this game. The only thing Zenimax will succeed in will be to ruin their franchise name.

Please name those defining characteristics, im curious as to what you think they are.