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  Sunscour

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5/06/12 8:23:23 AM#121

It was negatively received, especially here.  Go look at any thread for any game. I would chance a guess that over 80% of all forum post are negative opinions.

I think we all need to eat more chocolate!!

Game could be great or crappy, there is no way for me to tell unless I actually play it.

Remember, the above statement is an opinion, be it negative or positive. (I think I just added to the 80%)

Yea.. I do like making my words different colors.

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  Chrome1980

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5/06/12 8:26:28 AM#122
Originally posted by Connmacart
Originally posted by Chrome1980
Originally posted by Connmacart
Originally posted by Chrome1980
Originally posted by gilgamesh42
Originally posted by Chrome1980
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You forgot the most important ES feature that they are removing. Complete freedom to do what I want. By locking the races to factions and adding classes they removed the most important feature from an ES game. The things you listed are not what makes an ES game.

Oh and Oblivion and Skyrim do not have a huge world. Daggerfall has a huge world. Morrowind a soso world. 

I disagree on worl size of Morrowind being so so. yes daggerfall is huge but Morrowing with its two expansions combined is a lot bigger than Skyrim and Oblivion. Moreover, ES series is ever expanding and MMOS even have more potential to keep expanding the size of the world.

Again, if say 10 features out of 20 are missing that makes TESO an ES game it is still an ES game...i have said this many time before, those missing 10 features could have zero appeal to me, just like how the other 10 features might have zero appeal to you.

Game is still more than a year away from release and nothing with MMO when it coems to features is set in stone.

That is only true if all features are equal and they are not. you can have 19 of the 20 features, but if the most important one is missing it will not be the same. You can recreate a Ferrari to the very last detail, but if it lacks the accompaning engine it will not be the same regardless of how much the same it looks.

Again matter of prespective. What is important for you might not be important for me. For example for my brother exploration is the most important feature of ES game, for me it is open world, non linear game play..for someone else it could be housing and so on.

So for me i am getting my most important feature of ES...open world game play which does not focus on quest hubs and is not on rails. Not saying everyone else should feel the same.

  Pigozz

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Nihil gratis

5/06/12 8:28:54 AM#123
Originally posted by Banquetto
Ever since Skyrim launched, there has been an absolute non-stop cavalcade of people saying "omg I WISH they would make an Elder Scrolls MMO!!" Now, they announce one and everyone is crying like little babies and making hysterical proclamations like "biggest slap in the face EVER!" Well, screw gamers, every day that passes I get more and more embarrassed to be a part of this pathetic subculture of whiners and complainers. Bugger off and do something else if you hate gaming so much.

God damn it dont you realize we all wished for ELDER SCROLLS MMO, Skyrim-like!!??

Not some "lets make money on famous IP, SWTOR style"cooldown based BS that is apparently to be released

I for one am ashamed of gamers like you that support crap developments and idiotic investments like this

MMOs played chronologically:
Runescape,Lineage II, WoW,Tabula Rasa, AoC,Eve Online,Guild Wars, Rift(beta only),SWTOR(beta only),Star Trek Online
Most fun: Tabula Rasa

  Vorthanion

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5/06/12 8:38:41 AM#124
Originally posted by Pigozz
Originally posted by Banquetto
Ever since Skyrim launched, there has been an absolute non-stop cavalcade of people saying "omg I WISH they would make an Elder Scrolls MMO!!" Now, they announce one and everyone is crying like little babies and making hysterical proclamations like "biggest slap in the face EVER!" Well, screw gamers, every day that passes I get more and more embarrassed to be a part of this pathetic subculture of whiners and complainers. Bugger off and do something else if you hate gaming so much.

God damn it dont you realize we all wished for ELDER SCROLLS MMO, Skyrim-like!!??

Not some "lets make money on famous IP, SWTOR style"cooldown based BS that is apparently to be released

I for one am ashamed of gamers like you that support crap developments and idiotic investments like this

I'm embrrassed that you can't see beyond your own play style without calling everyone else's crap.  You whine about crap developments and investments only because they aren't catering to your play style.

  Chrome1980

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Joined: 4/14/12
Posts: 523

5/06/12 8:40:51 AM#125
Originally posted by Pigozz
Originally posted by Banquetto
Ever since Skyrim launched, there has been an absolute non-stop cavalcade of people saying "omg I WISH they would make an Elder Scrolls MMO!!" Now, they announce one and everyone is crying like little babies and making hysterical proclamations like "biggest slap in the face EVER!" Well, screw gamers, every day that passes I get more and more embarrassed to be a part of this pathetic subculture of whiners and complainers. Bugger off and do something else if you hate gaming so much.

God damn it dont you realize we all wished for ELDER SCROLLS MMO, Skyrim-like!!??

Not some "lets make money on famous IP, SWTOR style"cooldown based BS that is apparently to be released

I for one am ashamed of gamers like you that support crap developments and idiotic investments like this

Nope, i doubt you can speak for all ES fans on the planet. 

*rolls eyes*

  Pigozz

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Nihil gratis

5/06/12 8:42:21 AM#126
Originally posted by Vorthanion
Originally posted by Pigozz
Originally posted by Banquetto
Ever since Skyrim launched, there has been an absolute non-stop cavalcade of people saying "omg I WISH they would make an Elder Scrolls MMO!!" Now, they announce one and everyone is crying like little babies and making hysterical proclamations like "biggest slap in the face EVER!" Well, screw gamers, every day that passes I get more and more embarrassed to be a part of this pathetic subculture of whiners and complainers. Bugger off and do something else if you hate gaming so much.

God damn it dont you realize we all wished for ELDER SCROLLS MMO, Skyrim-like!!??

Not some "lets make money on famous IP, SWTOR style"cooldown based BS that is apparently to be released

I for one am ashamed of gamers like you that support crap developments and idiotic investments like this

I'm embrrassed that you can't see beyond your own play style without calling everyone else's crap.  You whine about crap developments and investments only because they aren't catering to your play style.

I dont give a damn if there is 10000+ WoW - like games, I play them as well

Im mad that their raping one of the most succesful game fracnhises into something it was never meants to be

Elder Scrolls is since the first game famous for its openess, first person combat and classless system

TESO seems to offer none of these - thus only raping the famous IP

MMOs played chronologically:
Runescape,Lineage II, WoW,Tabula Rasa, AoC,Eve Online,Guild Wars, Rift(beta only),SWTOR(beta only),Star Trek Online
Most fun: Tabula Rasa

  ShakyMo

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5/06/12 8:42:43 AM#127
Tes isn't a sandbox its an open world themepark

Which is what this mmo sounds like, it sounds a heck of a lot more like daoc & EQ than it does swtor
  Chrome1980

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5/06/12 8:45:11 AM#128
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Tes isn't a sandbox its an open world themepark

Which is what this mmo sounds like, it sounds a heck of a lot more like daoc & EQ than it does swtor

People are just reaching and ove reacting because TESO is nothing like SWTOR or WOW. It is funny especially when GW2 fans bash TESO because TESO is more closer to DAOC and GW2 in game mechanics.

  Distopia

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5/06/12 8:45:33 AM#129
Originally posted by Pigozz
 

I dont give a damn if there is 10000+ WoW - like games, I play them as well

Im mad that their raping one of the most succesful game fracnhises into something it was never meants to be

Elder Scrolls is since the first game famous for its openess, first person combat and classless system

TESO seems to offer none of these - thus only raping the famous IP

At least you're honest where your anger about it is coming from I can respect that. It's those who are trying to paint it as a TOR or WOW clone that just blow my mind.

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

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  Distopia

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5/06/12 8:46:18 AM#130
Originally posted by Chrome1980
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Tes isn't a sandbox its an open world themepark

Which is what this mmo sounds like, it sounds a heck of a lot more like daoc & EQ than it does swtor

People are just reaching and ove reacting because TESO is nothing like SWTOR or WOW. It is funny especially when GW2 fans bash TESO because TESO is more closer to DAOC and GW2 in game mechanics.

Exactly

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

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  Pratt2112

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5/06/12 8:50:15 AM#131
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by Sid_Vicious

If the game was going to be truly like Elder Scrolls Online than it would probably be a lot like Darkfall which most of you would totally whine about.


 

Pretty much this.


The "true TES MMO" is there already, it is called Darkfall. You hate it too? Well, you only got what you asked for.

You're arguing a complete non-sequitur here.

Arguably, Darkfall is the closest to an Elder-Scrolls style MMO on the market right now, with Mortal Online arguably being in that same category. Closest in this case is an extremely relative term, considering there aren't many other MMO's in that style to compare them to. However, its play style isn't what has ailed DF since its launch. Its execution is. The on-going delays, communication blunders and promised updates that never arrive are.

To invoke DF as what a more open TES MMO would inevitably become is a serious stretch, and more than a little dishonest. Your argument seems to rely on others being mostly ignorant of DF's history and all its problems. You also completely ignore the important difference between something being well executed and poorly executed, which is really what DF's issues boil down to.

To put it simply, DF's problems do not stem from it being created around a more TES style of gameplay. They stem from myriad poor design decisions made and/or poor execution of those decisions. So, your argument simply doesn't follow that a MMO created in a more "traditional" TES style would inevitably end up like Darkfall.

 

 

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  TruthXHurts

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5/06/12 8:52:12 AM#132

Look at it this way... Would you recognize this game as part of the TES series if they didn't print the shiny letters on the box? No you woudl not at all. This game is just a cash grab using lazy MMO dev "tried and true" methods. I will probably not buy another TES title after this. I tend to take things one step further. If a company makes a terrible decision such as Bethesda has done then I boycott the company.

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  Distopia

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5/06/12 8:53:47 AM#133
Originally posted by TruthXHurts

Look at it this way... Would you recognize this game as part of the TES series if they didn't print the shiny letters on the box? No you woudl not at all. This game is just a cash grab using lazy MMO dev "tried and true" methods. I will probably not buy another TES title after this. I tend to take things one step further. If a company makes a terrible decision such as Bethesda has done then I boycott the company.

Seriously? That's your argument? The races, the world, the story, none of that could possibly be familiar to a fan ?

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  Hrotha

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5/06/12 8:54:38 AM#134

Well any child with a bit of MMORPG knowledge and experience wouldve know that coming...

This should not sound arrogant to you, this is just sad reality. You can_not release another WoW clone...

Even just thinking about it feels so extremely exhausting to me... it's like experience an experience over and over again. Pure boredom!

We do not need one... we want innovative and new games... games which "feel" new to us because the whole concept is new.

    IS THAT SO HARD OR ARE YOU DEVELOPERS JUST AFRAID OF MAKING NEW GAMES?   

Let me guess: "Yes!" - Because Publishers have gotten too big!??

  Chrome1980

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5/06/12 8:56:01 AM#135
Originally posted by TruthXHurts

Look at it this way... Would you recognize this game as part of the TES series if they didn't print the shiny letters on the box? No you woudl not at all. This game is just a cash grab using lazy MMO dev "tried and true" methods. I will probably not buy another TES title after this. I tend to take things one step further. If a company makes a terrible decision such as Bethesda has done then I boycott the company.

Yes i would. Granted not everything from ES series is making into TESO but after going through the feature list i am sure that it is a TESO game.

  Distopia

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5/06/12 8:56:28 AM#136
Originally posted by 4bsolute

Well any child with a bit of MMORPG knowledge and experience wouldve know that coming...

This should not sound arrogant to you, this is just sad reality. You can_not release another WoW clone...

We do not need one... we want innovative and new games... games which "feel" new to us because the whole concept is new.

IS THAT SO HARD OR ARE YOU DEVELOPERS JUST AFRAID OF MAKING NEW GAMES?

Let me guess: "Yes!" - Because Publishers have gotten too big!??

Another who doesn't know the difference between WOW and not WOW. If you said DAOC I might agree, but nope the wow tunnel vision strikes again, and we wonder why so many of those exist, it's all a mjaority of this fandom thinks or knows about.

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

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  Chrome1980

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5/06/12 8:58:03 AM#137
Originally posted by 4bsolute

Well any child with a bit of MMORPG knowledge and experience wouldve know that coming...

This should not sound arrogant to you, this is just sad reality. You can_not release another WoW clone...

Even just thinking about it feels so extremely exhausting to me... it's like experience an experience over and over again. Pure boredom!

We do not need one... we want innovative and new games... games which "feel" new to us because the whole concept is new.

    IS THAT SO HARD OR ARE YOU DEVELOPERS JUST AFRAID OF MAKING NEW GAMES?   

Let me guess: "Yes!" - Because Publishers have gotten too big!??

 

Originally posted by Chrome1980
People are just reaching and ove reacting because TESO is nothing like SWTOR or WOW. It is funny especially when GW2 fans bash TESO because TESO is more closer to DAOC and GW2 in game mechanics.
Originally posted by Distopia
At least you're honest where your anger about it is coming from I can respect that. It's those who are trying to paint it as a TOR or WOW clone that just blow my mind.
 
  TruthXHurts

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5/06/12 8:58:08 AM#138
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by TruthXHurts

Look at it this way... Would you recognize this game as part of the TES series if they didn't print the shiny letters on the box? No you woudl not at all. This game is just a cash grab using lazy MMO dev "tried and true" methods. I will probably not buy another TES title after this. I tend to take things one step further. If a company makes a terrible decision such as Bethesda has done then I boycott the company.

Seriously? That's your argument? The races, the world, the story, none of that could possibly be familiar to a fan ?

The races, world , and story  are hardly original. Besides the lack of Hobbits I'm pretty sure you could pass this off as a Tolkien LOTR type game. So I say no. You would not recognize this game settign without it being LABELED for you.

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  adam_nox

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5/06/12 8:58:58 AM#139
Originally posted by TruthXHurts

Look at it this way... Would you recognize this game as part of the TES series if they didn't print the shiny letters on the box? No you woudl not at all. This game is just a cash grab using lazy MMO dev "tried and true" methods. I will probably not buy another TES title after this. I tend to take things one step further. If a company makes a terrible decision such as Bethesda has done then I boycott the company.

As a vocal opponent to the design decisions that are apparent from screenshots and available intel, I for one don't want to be lumped in with this sort of thinking, where we try to determine what the quality of the game will be, or the motivations of those producing it.  Bethesda is also not behind this decision, zenimax, their parent company is.  While zenimax can be blamed for bethesda's blunders, the opposite does not hold true.  Bethesda cannot control what Zenimax does.

 

It's quite possible the game will be executed well, and be a lot of fun.  To jump to the conclusion it won't be misses the point of the honest outrage about abandoning the traditional TES gameplay elements, and graphic style. 

 

 

  Siveria

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5/06/12 9:01:29 AM#140
Originally posted by colddog04

I blame SWTOR.

I blame Blizzard and word of warcraft for turning mmorpgs into the state its in now, where every dev just bascally copy and pastes world of warcraft and tries to get away with it, with very minimal if any changes (rift, swtor I am looking at you)

Being a pessimist is a win-win pattern of thinking. If you're a pessimist (I'll admit that I am!) you're either:

A. Proven right (if something bad happens)

or

B. Pleasantly surprised (if something good happens)

Either way, you can't lose! Try it out sometime!

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